"Dominic T." > wrote in message
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> DogMa wrote:
>> I didn't mean to start an argument; just share a possibly useful
>> observation and suggest some possibly interesting explanations.
>
> No argument, just discussion. I actually may have come off too strong,
> I try to really filter my statements because it is hard to show true
> intention and inflection by simply typing. If we had been sitting in te
> same room discussing this it would have been conversational and a bit
> lively... but far from an argument in my mind. I like to hear peoples
> theories and thoughts, regardless if I believe them 100% or not.
> Sharing ideas and thoughts is always #1 to me, I would never want to
> stop discussion or prevent someone fro speaking their mind. Heck, even
> if you were a believer in homeopathy and were applying a similar theory
> here... I'd listen and accept your theory... I just wouldn't agree with
> it.
>
>> I never claimed to be the discoverer of the putative effect, except on a
>> personal basis. And please be more moderate in your generalizations
>> ("the only option") and imputations. I consider homeopathy to be bunkum
>> as a methodology beyond the undeniable placebo effect. I thought I had
>> offered a pair of plausible inferences: salts as flavor potentiators via
>> modified chemical transduction at the taste buds, modification of
>> local neurochemistry, and/or cortex-level synthesis. The part I found
>> most interesting was the persistence effect. To address this, I further
>> proposed that ions may be stored in taste-related tissues - nothing
>> mystical about that, and lots of scientists probably already know if
>> this is the case..
>
> I never stated that you had claimed this, it was just the direction it
> seemed to be going especially in the conversation with Alex about your
> theory. That was why I was hoping you would revisit the topic and make
> your true intentions known. That was all. I'm sorry if my "only option"
> comment seemed harsh, but basically those are the only two options.
> Salts as flavor potentiators is what I had mentioned, and is known
> fact. And then the neuro/cortex side of things (I thought) fell into
> the homeopathic beliefs. I'm sure there are others such as you have
> stated, but from the initial proposal that was what I had taken away
> from it.
>
>> > I knew that anyone who could back DogMa's original statements had to
>> > have some connection or belief in homeopathy because that was what it
>> > was all basically based around.
>>
>> I am not offended, but you are incorrect.
>
> I never intended to offend anyone, but that comment was directed to
> Alex. I actually left my comment quoted above, if you reread it I think
> it was clear. For someone (not you) to so heavily back this as a
> "discovery" of any magnitude would have to fall into believing in the
> second half of the neural/cortex/persistence side of things. And it
> turned out I was basically right, since I had no knowledge of Alex or
> his work/colleagues and pretty much nailed it. I was just reading
> between the lines about the comments made about your statement, not you
> or your statement directly.

I think you should use 1/10 of the time you spend explaining that you did
not want to offend anyone on actual digging up the science. Your opinion on
homeopathy is childish at best. You have not "nailed" anything, its an
illusion on you part.
For you, who has done nothing in any science, to accuse a giant like Peter
Farley who considered to be one of the fathers of the whole genetic
revolution of our times of "cashing in" on anything is just a demonstration
that you cannot be taken seriously.

I called what DogMa described a "discovery" because the minute details of
his experiments:

1. Look quite unusual to me and although I am not a food chemist I do have
an advanced degree in geochemistry and 12 years in biochem and biotech.

2. Useful.

I did not call it 'scientific discovery' because its a different test.

Sasha.


>
> Hope that clears things up a bit, I like open discussion and always
> enjoy it... so please don't take this side discussion as a negative
> thing, also I don't want to derail the actual discussion in any way.
>
> - Dominic
>