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> > When they come here it should be up to them to deal with that.
>
> Well if we let them in we probabaly should try to make them productive
> citizens asap and if we have to spend a bit on ESL or FSL it probably
> pays off. I suspect in many cases a family may arrive based on one
> 'prime' immigrant who speaks English or French but it may be worth our
> while to see that others in the family learn the language.

I don't question that there is benefit to all of them learning English. My problem is
with getting stuck with the bill. They are the immigrants. They came here fore a
better life <?>. We didn't go there. They should pay for their own language lessons.

> Also refugees are a different matter. They didn't necessarrily plan on
> coming here they just wanted to get out of wherever with a whole skin.

Given the number of bogus refugee claims, I would suggest that most of them are
either jumping the immigration or simply getting loose and disappearing in the
underground market.