JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
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>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
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>>>> Peter wrote:
>>>>> "itsjoannotjoann" > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 1:28 pm, "Peter" > wrote:
>>>>>>> Indeed. It's still OK to kill a mentally ill person in the USA today
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> apparently. I think, after studying various points of justice in
>>>>>>> history at
>>>>>>> school an during my own time, it is easy to see some progrssive
>>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>> with some countries, because they are willing to be open and discuss
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> issue with its citizens. Afterall the government is there because
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> citizens pay them to be there to serve them, to serve the will of the
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't live in the American culture of death penalties and war
>>>>>>> though, so
>>>>>>> it is hard for me to grasp the thought process that allows it to
>>>>>>> continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody here claims 'mental illness' when facing the death penalty.
>>>>>> They were abused as children, didn't get that bicycle they wanted at
>>>>>> age 10 and it warped their minds, dad/mom spanked him as a child and
>>>>>> he was so affected by it that he grew up to kill, etc. Take your
>>>>>> choice, it's always someone else's fault that they grew up to be
>>>>>> lowlife scum of the earth and but certainly not their fault to hear
>>>>>> them and their lawyers tell it. There's just some mean, evil, nasty
>>>>>> people in this world who don't deserve to live. They're just sucking
>>>>>> up air that someone else could be breathing. They are not
>>>>>> contributing to society, working on world hunger/peace, nor are they
>>>>>> looking for a cure for cancer/aids/birth defects, take your pick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course after a few years in the slammer, they all get religion and
>>>>>> of course they are reformed and should be set free. Give me a break.
>>>>> \\
>>>>>
>>>>> I just don't understand how in a civilized world that people would
>>>>> condone the killing of a fellow man. I'm not a church going person
>>>>> either. Once you kill someone, thats it, it is final, and there is
>>>>> never again a chance to bring back that person from death to learn
>>>>> about there crimes, or for them to prove their innocense. Many
>>>>> condenmed persons have been proven innocent thanks to modern forensics,
>>>>> and who is to say that future forensics wouldn't prove future persons
>>>>> innocent.
>>>>>
>>>>> A person in jail for life does you no harm, why murder them?
>>>> Minor correction, when the state kills someone after they are found
>>>> guilty, it is not murder. That is of little comfort to the person being
>>>> executed. But other than that I agree with you. The *ease* with which
>>>> China executed this corrupt official demonstrates their lack of respect
>>>> for value for human life.
>>>>
>>>> That we execute some of our guilty prisoners, even after a long appeals
>>>> process, undermines our credibility to protest human rights violations
>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> To whoever it was complaining about the expense to house and feed a
>>>> prisoner for years and years: Because of that long appeals process, it
>>>> is actually cheaper to imprison someone for life than to execute them.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Bob
>>> If a family member was about to be killed right in front of you, and you
>>> could easily "wish" the perpetrator to die instantly, would you do it?
>>
>> I would stop them myself, with my bare hands and feet if I didn't have a
>> gun or knife or pitchfork (etc.) handy; if they died in the process, so be
>> it. And I think I would have a clear conscience about it.
>>
>> I'm not a Buddhist, and I think self-defense is an inalienable right.
>> What's that got to do with the death penalty?
>>
>> Bob
>
> So, it's OK to kill them at the moment the crime is about to happen. But,
> after a jury trial, it's not? I'm confused. Does the value of the perp's
> life change with the passage of time?
>


Yes it does; I'm surprised you would have to ask. (You are purposely
ignoring the value of the lives of the victims)

Bob