PeterLucas wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in :
>
> >>
> >> S'funny, I would have thought that Emergency Services training was quite
> >> good over there. It is here.
> >> And, given your scenario, if someone has just completed a Police Rescue
> >> dive course, how long should they stand in the background before you
> >> deem them "experienced" enough to cope with this sort of job?
> >
> > If that is the actual course just completed, he wouldn't be "just
> > certified" as there are prerequisites for such courses. Of course our
> > jam lady may not have used the correct terminology.
>
> I've just been 'certified' in RAR (Road Accident Rescue...... 'Jaws of
> Life', hydraulic rams etc).
>
> I'm sure as hell that if I get a call out to an MVA entrapment the people
> inside aren't going to give a rats ass *when* I completed my training......
> they'll just want me to use my training to get them out.

Irrelevant, the diving in question is not rescue, it is removing bodies,
they aren't saving anyone.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >Particularly now when it's a
> >> > recovery operation which lacks the urgency of a rescue that might
> >> > justify pushing the limits of ones training.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You been tapdancing for long?
> >
> > Recovery operations only serve to appease the relatives of the victims.
> > They do not by the wildest stretch of the imagination warrant risking
> > the lives of inexperienced personnel.
> >
> > Do you dive?
>
> In water....... not currently.
>
> >Are you qualified for an overhead environment with strong
> > currents, near zero visibility and jagged debris to get snagged on? Do
> > you have the slightest idea what that recovery operation is like?
>
> In a previous life (late '60s early 70s), I was a Salvage Diver. *Before*
> there was a Police Dive Squad in Adelaide.
> So yes, we did a lot of recovery work.

Then you would know that if the person in question just got something
like open water certification they sure as hell shouldn't be diving
recovery in those conditions. If there were actually live people to
potentially save from air pockets in submerged vehicles you might make
an exception, but not when you are just recovering bodies.

If jam lady used the wrong terminology and the person in question just
got an appropriate advanced certification as opposed to their first ever
certification then it's obviously a different situation.

>
> >It
> > sure as hell isn't remotely like a dive on one of your nice reefs.
> >
>
> Never actually got to dive on the 'nice' reefs.

Perhaps some day I will. Right now I'm sticking to cheaper destinations.

Pete C.