On Aug 14, 10:21?am, "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
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> oups.com...> On Aug 14, 9:21?am, "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:
> > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message
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> > roups.com...
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> > > > On Aug 11, 4:19?pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:58:29 GMT, "The Joneses"
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> >
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> > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > >"Sheldon" > wrote in message
> > > > > oups.com...
> > > > > >> On Aug 10, 3:34?pm, "Kswck" > wrote:
> > > > > >>> Is there a definitive site you all use for information on
> canning
> > > tomato
> > > > > >>> sauce?
>
> > > > > >>> Usually, I just grind the tomatoes and make sauce and freeze it
> in
> > > gallon
> > > > > >>> bags. I want to try canning the juice/sauce rather than adding
> all
> > > the
> > > > > >>> ingredients for sauce, cooking it down and freezing it.
>
> > > > > >>> I would think that you must cook down the juice for a bit and
> then
> > > can.
>
> > > > > >>> One other question-can one spice the juice, say with onion and
> > > garlic,
> > > > > >>> before canning or is there a real problem with botulism with
> > > garlic?
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> > > > > >>> I usually do around 2 bushels-want to expand to 4 or 5. I do
> have an
> > > > > >>> industrial size electric grinder (50 bushels in 8 hours-or so
> say
> > > the
> > > > > >>> literature it came with).
>
> > > > > >> You're much better off freezing tomato sauce, especially with
> large
> > > > > >> quantities. Canning was popular before the advent of freezers,
> with
> > > > > >> modern freezers canning can't hold a candle... freezing requires
> far
> > > > > >> less work, far less space, and is far, FAR safer.
> > > > > >> Sheldon
>
> > > Freezing is less work initially for sure....but I would debate whether
> is it
> > > a less expensive option in either the short or long run when you
> consider
> > > the cost of equipment and cost to maintain temp, etc. Also there are
> some
> > > things that I do that just don't freeze well. Tomato sauce is fine, but
> > > salsa IMHO is crap after freezing. I don't spend the time to can or
> freeze
> > > things that I can get cheaply via commercial methods unless they are
> hard to
> > > find items or I just can't find the quality that I'm looking for at the
> > > store (Collossal Cow Pea would be a good example, but only because dad
> has
> > > an electric pea sheller :-)
>
> > > As far as the safety thing goes.....that argument just doesn't hold
> water
> > > with me if you take the necessary precautions and do the job right. I am
> > > part of a huge family (parents have 16 Brothers & Sisters combined) that
> all
> > > garden, can and freeze items. Not only within my family, but including
> > > everyone I've ever *met* that cans, I have *never* heard of anyone first
> > > hand that has gotten sick from something that they put up...and this
> > > includes pickles and other products that we split up when my Grandmother
> > > passed that were up to 8 years old (this was before it was universally
> known
> > > as being an *unsafe* practice to eat things canned more than a year
> prior
> > > <VBG> Sure, there will be a jar or 2 every year that lose their seal and
> > > spoil, but they are easy to spot. OTOH, *Every* year during harvest
> time,
> > > there are quite a few freezer bags full of veggies, etc that are pitched
> to
> > > make room for the new crop....and *no* canned goods that are pitched for
> the
> > > same reason.
>
> > > > > >Until the lights go out. Or you want to mail some prize winning
> good
> > > stuff
> > > > > >to your kinfolk. Canning is safe if you follow the rules. I can
> alot
> > > and
> > > > > >freeze other things. Join us at rec.food.preserving, log on to
> your
> > > county
> > > > > >extension site, visit the library. Very civilized places imho.
> > > > > >Edrena
>
> > > > > also, most folks don't have a freezer that can accommodate sauce
> from
> > > > > five bushels of tomatoes.
>
> > > > Only an selfish asshole would keep more than they can use in a year...
> > > > one bushel of tomatoes makes a year's supply (about 30 quarts). I
> > > > give away extra tomatoes.
>
> > > Who said that the 5 bushels is for personal consumption? I logged in
> just
> > > over 73 five-gallon buckets full of tomatoes out of my garden last year.
> > > Gave quite a bit away to friends, family and ~7 buckets to two sisters
> at
> > > Church to put up and still canned up 16 quarts of whole tomatoes, 6
> quarts
> > > of tomato juice, and 139 pints (yes 139!) of salsa myself. Almost a
> year
> > > later and I am down to less than a dozen jars of salsa and 1 quart of
> juice.
> > > We eat a good bit of salsa, but probably 90% was given away to folks who
> had
> > > some of the previous years crop and showed up with empty jars and asked
> for
> > > more. <G>
>
> > > Your love of name calling and holier than thou attitude really is an
> > > inspiration to us all! Please seek help for that will ya?
>
> > Anyone who spends as much time preserving vegetsbles as you claim is
> > lying, desperately needs to get a life, both. Another anecdotal story
> > telling ******* heard from, not a shred of proof, BIG MOUTH LIAR!
>
> > You'd think by now even one of these creeps would shut me up by
> > posting actual PROOF instead of verbose diatribe. You're not even
> > exagerating, you sir are a ****ing lying douchebag bucket of shit.
>
> Actually if you cared to check, you could see several photographic evidences
> of my efforts last year in alt.binaries.food postings during July - August
> of 2006( First batch was July 29, 2006 titled "Fiesta Time... Salsa is in da
> house!" and the last picking was Monday August 21, 2006 Titled "If life
> gives you Tomatoes".) Both of which have photos supporting my claims.
>
> I must apologize however because I incorrectly remembered the amount of
> Tomatoes and Juice put up last year....but here is a direct cut and paste
> from the August 21st post since I know you will be disinclined to search for
> the photographic evidence in the binary group history that disputes your
> delusional belief otherwise.
>
> Insert quoted text
>
> This is the 4th and *smallest* picking of the season....and btw, that
> section of countertop is 8 ft long X 32 inches wide and they are piled 2+
> deep for the most part
>
> So far I've put up 118 pints of salsa (mild,medium and "come on ice cream")
> , 36 quarts of quartered tomatoes, 21 quarts of tomato juice, made 2 Caprese
> salads (pics to come) and more bacon & tomato sandwiches than I can count
> even with my shoes off. Oh, and also have given a dear sweet lady from
> church at least seven 5 gallon buckets full for her own canning purposes
> (there'll be one more on her front porch if I sneak it over *after* she goes
> to bed :-)
>
> End quoted text
>
> I spent a whopping 3 Saturday afternoons on my salsa canning exploits and a
> few hours here and there on the rest of the tomato products. But in the end
> I really car not what you believe and have had my fill of your garbage laden
> mind and mouth....Plonk

What you are is "whopping" liar... I see no links to any pics.