"BZ" > wrote in message
...
>
> > > I'm sorry but where are you getting your information? The discussions
on
> > > HFCS are current, Google can provide you with links to substantiate
that
> > > fact. And yes, your diet is responsible for your Type 2 diabetes
> > Wrong, i'm T1.
>
> I was referring to Type 2, as you can see from my quote above.

When you phrase a statement as openly as that, one would assume when reading
a post that you're referring to me as you said "your diet is ... blah for
YOUR type 2 etc etc".
>
>
> > . You have
> > > pushed your bodies ability to adjust its insulin to the amount crap
you
> > put
> > > in it that it simply gives up and a resistance is developed.
> >
> > Wrong, i am lucky enough to have T1, and since the medical profession
> cannot
> > find a reason for me getting it i'm quite sure you can't either.
>
> You consider yourself "lucky" to have Type 1 diabetes? I wouldn't consider
> yourself lucky at all. I have never professed that the medical community
had
> information regarding why people develope Type1 nor have I suggested I do
> either.
>
I am lucky, i don't have to put up with all those infernal meds that t2's
are lumbered with
>
> > Type 2 diabetes
> > > is preventable and unnecessary. I have to say this group is quite full
> of
> > > the most narrow-minded people I have ever had the dis-pleasure of
> > > associating with. I susbscribed to the group because I thought I would
> > find
> > > intelligent conversations regarding diabetes, I am not a diabetic but
my
> > son
> > > is (Type 1). I enjoy seeking information and discussing nutrition and
> diet
> > > related topics but I can see that doesn't happen here. Perhaps there
are
> > > others lurking that feel the same way, if so, please feel free to make
> > > contact and a private mailing list could setup so we don't have listen
> to
> > > the nonsense of the Ted Rosenwhatzits and the Julie Bovines (yes Julie
I
> > > have seen your photo - funny how you dispell medical professional
> opinions
> > > about chemicals you are eating but promote Tarot and dream analysis.
> LOL).
> >
> > Just for the record i'm neither overweight nor narrow minded. I can't
> > comment on T2 diabetes as i don't have it. Intelligent diet for a
diabetic
> > is no different to the diet required for a normal healthy person because
> > that is what in essence we all are. Just be aware that what you see as
> > interesting discussion may well have been "done to death" by what these
> > "narrow minded people" would call a troll or a spammer
>
> Since I was commenting on Type 2 and you are Type 1 then why have
responded?
> Please pay attention.
Of course i pay attention, you responded as if you implied that i was also
T2

Your correct about diet. When my son was diagnosed
> with Type 1 diabetes almost 8 years ago now I was initially upset and
angry.
> I quickly realized though that it meant that our entire family would be
> making changes to our lifestyle that would be ultimately more healthy. In
> the past 8 years we have worked very closely with our endocrinologist and
> dieticians to the point where we can make much better choices in the foods
> we consume. The problem here is that when a person presents something for
> discussion and the topics are current (HFCS) being dealt with by
> professionals worldwide, why do the narrow-minded people here resort to
name
> calling and paranoid re-actions to facts that are not created by "trolls"
or
> "spammers"? I am not selling anything, what have I to gain by looking to
> educate and be educated? Why does the discussion of ingesting chemicals
> upset these people so much? As an example, and I don't use or have
anything
> to do with any company that does, lets take the debate over Stevia and
> Aspartame. Should an intelligent person assume that a chemical produced
for
> profit (lots!) should be accepted over an herb that has been used ny
> Peruvians for many centuries? Can I be called a "troll" or a "spammer" for
> suggesting a discussion of this topic? These discussions may have already
> taken place and been "done to death" as you suggest, but there are new
> people coming into these groups daily and old topics will inherintly
> re-surface as they do in ALL newsgroups. Using foul language and telling
> people to f-off because they don't like your opinions is narrow-minded.
Are
> there not people here who have children that may want to get involved in
> reasonable discussions about their condition or learn more about diabetes
so
> they can understand it more because a loved one is diabetic? I'm sorry but
> the responses in this group lead me to believe that there are a few in
this
> group that are not capable of social interaction and have maybe spent far
> too many years behind a computer screen to know how to behave in a real
> group of people.

I actually agree with you, to be honest certain groups seem to be more
agressive in their approach to things like this, personally i try and keep
an open mind in such things but i tend to steer clear of foods that are
"designed" for diabetics as for me at least they hold no appeal. I prefer to
make my diet up of foods that are readily availble over the counter and
taken in moderation and sensibly are no better or worse for me than for
anyone else.

>
>
> > If you must approach a subject in the same manner as a troll or spammer
> > would then you can hardly moan when you get the same reception can you.
>
> Something has changed I guess in the way people communicate. I thought
> joining a conversation was called participating. So basically, if I don't
> agree or have another perspective on a topic I can be considered a "troll"
> or a "spammer". Insightful...
>
I meant this in the context of how some people will recieve you, for my own
part i've no problem with what you post. usenet is a good source of info and
the logical conclusion of that is that anything deemed relevant by the
poster is fit for discussion

>
> > > > i have now withdrawn my death wish and packed in all the junk i used
> to
> > > eat.
>
> I would bet that you are still making poor dietary choices. But of course
if
> I were to suggest discussing any of them I could expect to be stoned to
> death.

I'm actually making some very major dietary changes based largely on what i
read on here and also based on my own testing to see what works for me. I
don't think everyone in all of the groups you're posting to would stone you
to death, verbally or otherwise. The only way one can make a decision based
on choice is if one has access to as much information as possible.

Like you i'm finding that certain groups are better to post in and start
discussions on this than certain others and i also suspect that I, like you
will be restricting my posting to that group and simply read the rest for
information purposes only.