Canada, not to say we dont also have stupid laws, IMO.
But the US certainly takes the biscuit with alcohol laws, you can die for your country at 17 but cant vote for the government that sends you to your death or enjoy a drink .

I agree stupid laws are a sign of a democratic society though, if you dont live in a democracy you dont have the right to call a law stupid!!


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pipsqueek wrote:
> Canada, not to say we dont also have stupid laws, IMO.
> But the US certainly takes the biscuit with alcohol laws, you can die for your country at 17 but cant vote for the government that sends you to your death or enjoy a drink .

Spoken like a true 20 year old. :-)

No, those laws make WAY too much sense when you consider the incredible
number of alcohol-related auto deaths in that age range. But my oldest
kid is nearly 17, so I guess I'm in the opposite demographic.

-John O

I was in the UK recently where they have relatively lax drinking laws, age of majority and drinking age is 18. Pubs will not challenge you though if you are 16/17 and behaving properly. The surprising thing is that the kids (adults
under UK law) do take drinking and driving seriously, they use the designated driver system to good effect although the non drivers do get wasted.
My neighbours are Italian and always gave their kids wine with meals at home, both kids are now tea total adults, go figure.
I always allow my kids to try wine or beer at home if they want to take a sip from my glass, must be my expat Brit background coming to the for.
I suppose I have always been a libertarian not liking government interference in my life, unfotunately the US of A has a system set up to support the 25% of the worlds lawyers that live there, after all, the politicians are all
lawyers. Sorry, going totally OT here.


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(pipsqueek) wrote:
> I was in the UK recently where they have relatively lax drinking laws,
> age of majority and drinking age is 18. Pubs will not challenge you
> though if you are 16/17 and behaving properly. The surprising thing is
> that the kids (adults under UK law) do take drinking and driving
> seriously, they use the designated driver system to good effect although
> the non drivers do get wasted. My neighbours are Italian and always gave
> their kids wine with meals at home, both kids are now tea total adults,
> go figure. I always allow my kids to try wine or beer at home if they
> want to take a sip from my glass, must be my expat Brit background coming
> to the for. I suppose I have always been a libertarian not liking
> government interference in my life, unfotunately the US of A has a system
> set up to support the 25% of the worlds lawyers that live there, after
> all, the politicians are all lawyers. Sorry, going totally OT here.

Continuing OT. I first started sipping homemade wines in my Sicilian
grandfather's wine cellar. Sipped my first Martini when I was 8 or 9, had
my first beer around 12 and first Bourbon around 15. I've always let my
kids try good wine and beer at home, so they would know the difference. I'm
71, never gotten a DUI, injured anybody or had an accident as a result of
drinking.

"Moderation sir, aye, moderation is my rule. Nine or ten is reasonable
refreshment, but after that it's apt to degenerate into drinking."
- An old Highland saying

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JohnO wrote:
>
> pipsqueek wrote:
> > Canada, not to say we dont also have stupid laws, IMO.
> > But the US certainly takes the biscuit with alcohol laws, you can die for your country at 17 but cant vote for the government that sends you to your death or enjoy a drink .
>
> Spoken like a true 20 year old. :-)
>
> No, those laws make WAY too much sense when you consider the incredible
> number of alcohol-related auto deaths in that age range. But my oldest
> kid is nearly 17, so I guess I'm in the opposite demographic.
>
> -John O

The last I knew, the drinking age in Canada was 18 and they had nowhere
near the DWI problems we have in the US. Seems that when it's legal
people are more responsible than they are when they are already breaking
one law. That, or they just have fewer ignorant ****s in Canada.

Pete C.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
>
> The last I knew, the drinking age in Canada was 18 and they had nowhere
> near the DWI problems we have in the US. Seems that when it's legal
> people are more responsible than they are when they are already breaking
> one law. That, or they just have fewer ignorant ****s in Canada.

Before the age was made a uniform 21 in the US, it was common for <21yo to
cross the state border, drink, then drive home and kill themselves. Lost a
neighbor like that some years ago.

Some of the problems come from making alcohol a taboo. If it is taught
responsibly at a fairly young age, most will respect it and not get drunk
for the sake of getting drunk. You'd think a hangover or two would teach
them.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >
> > The last I knew, the drinking age in Canada was 18 and they had nowhere
> > near the DWI problems we have in the US. Seems that when it's legal
> > people are more responsible than they are when they are already breaking
> > one law. That, or they just have fewer ignorant ****s in Canada.
>
> Before the age was made a uniform 21 in the US, it was common for <21yo to
> cross the state border, drink, then drive home and kill themselves. Lost a
> neighbor like that some years ago.

Damn...we used to drive to Ohio for 3.2 beer at 18-20, then drive home
to Michigan and get wasted. Fortunately, none of my close friends
suffered for that.

I wonder what the Canadian stats say on this, I've been led to believe
that they are the same as the pre-21 US stats. Could be wrong, but I
wonder.

-John O