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Nonnymus[_5_] 03-03-2008 07:06 PM

Food washing, prep
 
Ok, I'd really appreciate some input here. Yesterday, I ordered an
ozone generator that will pump ozone through a hose into a stone
diffuser. The diffuser is placed in a bowl, cup or container of water
to absorb the ozone. The resulting "bleach" will kill smell, virus and
bacteria on foods, including meat. Did I make a mistake?

http://tinyurl.com/3b334f

FWIW, I am familiar with the dangers of ozone and its effect on lungs.
My plan is to ozonate water outside and not in the kitchen. Mrs. Nonny
and I would frequently go on long trips, so I purchased a commercial
ozone generator years back and use it with a timer to nuke the air of
our house while we're away. In fact, it's in use at this moment in our
master closet to freshen things up for Spring.

--
Nonny

Nonnymus
A penny saved is obviously a
government oversight.

dlzc 03-03-2008 09:05 PM

Food washing, prep
 
Dear Nonnymus:

On Mar 3, 12:06*pm, Nonnymus > wrote:
> Ok, I'd really appreciate some input here. *Yesterday, I
> ordered an ozone generator that will pump ozone through
> a hose into a stone diffuser. *The diffuser is placed in a
> bowl, cup or container of water to absorb the ozone. *The
> resulting "bleach" will kill smell, virus and bacteria on
> foods, including meat. *Did I make a mistake?


Possibly. There are ozone carts available that apply ozone to
pressurized water, and strip out the bubbles and destroy the ozone in
that gas stream. So you can spray pressurized ozonated water directly
to surfaces. But they are not cheap.
http://waternet.com/article.asp?IndexID=6636805
http://www.icwt.net/conference/Ozone...ron%20Tapp.pdf

> http://tinyurl.com/3b334f
>
> FWIW, I am familiar with the dangers of ozone and its
> effect on lungs. My plan is to ozonate water outside
> and not in the kitchen.


Better. Easy with splashing when you apply it. Keep the windows open
when you apply it. Ozone in tap water has a half-life of minutes
(2-20, depending on temperature, colder is better).

>*Mrs. Nonny and I would frequently go on long trips, so
> I purchased a commercial ozone generator years back
> and use it with a timer to nuke the air of our house
> while we're away. *In fact, it's in use at this moment in
> our master closet to freshen things up for Spring.


Increasing humidity increases ozone's efficiency and range of
treatment. Ozone will attack plastics and rubbers ("elastic" in pants
for example). It does act like a bleach so watch the dose /
duration. Toss a fan in to uniformly, quickly distribute the air
around inside the closet.

David A. Smith

Spud 05-03-2008 06:59 AM

Food washing, prep
 


Better. Easy with splashing when you apply it. Keep the windows open
when you apply it. Ozone in tap water has a half-life of minutes
(2-20, depending on temperature, colder is better).

Increasing humidity increases ozone's efficiency and range of
treatment. Ozone will attack plastics and rubbers ("elastic" in pants
for example). It does act like a bleach so watch the dose /
duration. Toss a fan in to uniformly, quickly distribute the air
around inside the closet.

David A. Smith


18 watts and 400 mg/hr O3 is pretty low. About the same as a Sharper Image
Ionic Breeze. (Better get'em while you can!) I have a room deoderizer that
I use in smoked-in apartments that puts out way more ozone than that.

I don't really know what you're trying to do with it. Given that you're
trying to sanitize water and food, the advantage is there'll be no residual
taste like chlorine bleach. But you'll have to soak the stuff a long time
to work. And I doubt you have an ozone test kit to really see if you have
an ozone residual and actually sanitizing anything.

How about peroxide? Oxi-clean.

Please report back after you try it out.

Spud



Spud 05-03-2008 03:59 PM

Food washing, prep
 



> 18 watts and 400 mg/hr O3 is pretty low. About the same as a Sharper
> Image Ionic Breeze. (Better get'em while you can!) I have a room
> deoderizer that I use in smoked-in apartments that puts out way more ozone
> than that.
>




Did a little more research and 400 mg is pretty good. But only 18 watts
doesn't make sense. The machine I have makes ozone with a blue spark
between two metal plates. Draws more power than that.

Spud



dlzc 10-03-2008 07:30 PM

Food washing, prep
 
Dear Spud:

On Mar 5, 8:59*am, "Spud" > wrote:
> > 18 watts and 400 mg/hr O3 is pretty low. *About the same as a
> > Sharper Image Ionic Breeze. (Better get'em while you can!) * I
> > have a room deoderizer that I use in smoked-in apartments that
> > puts out way more ozone than that.

>
> Did a little more research and 400 mg is pretty good. *But only 18
> watts doesn't make sense. *The machine I have makes ozone with
> a blue spark between two metal plates. *Draws more power than
> that.


A commercial 6 wt% ozone generator making 57 gm/hr pn pure oxygen
takes ~700 watts (inlcuding controls, etc.). So:
700 (watt) * 0.4 (gm) / 57 (gm) = ~5 watts,
... double that to make ozone in air, so 10 watts. Not out-of-line
for a cell with a good dielectric other than air to distribute the
"micro-discharges" more evenly.

David A. Smith


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