"Eddie" > wrote in message
...
> I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> Watchers program!
> Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> Omigod, what am I to do?
> Eddie
>

This may help http://atkins.com/

Eddie wrote:
> I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> Watchers program!
> Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> Omigod, what am I to do?

I'm sure you'll hear this from a lot of people in this group: do atkins.
If you stick to it and do it right you'll still be able to eat a reasonable
amount of Q while losing weight.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

"DesertDad" > wrote in message
news:vA4ib.20723$gi2.16054@fed1read01...
>
> "Eddie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> > noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> > 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> > And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> > Watchers program!
> > Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> > learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> > Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> > learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> > Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> > Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> > pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> > Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> > Omigod, what am I to do?
> > Eddie
> >
>
> This may help http://atkins.com/

I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more than
one person that
became diabetic while on it. From what I understand it can wreak havoc on
some people.
Remember, a diet is forever. There are many that allow you to eat meat, just
not as much, or
as often. You need to find one you can live with the easiest, because it is
hard to stay on one
you hate.

"doyle" > wrote in message
> I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more than
> one person that
> became diabetic while on it. From what I understand it can wreak havoc on
> some people.

I know of a couple of people that have had problems because of it. My
doctor recommends cutting carbs and eating more veggies and lean meats.
Sort of like Atkins Lite. Of course your doctor should be able to give you
a good recommendation as he knows you better than I do.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

> Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> Omigod, what am I to do?

Sure, kill the sugar. But if you also start (assuming you're not) exercising
regularly, you'll need that protein. I don't think anyone is going to gain
weight eating meat, but sugar is going to nail you to the floor. (Don't
forget pop/soda...tons of sugar there.)

I started weighlifting a few years ago, and it does amazing things to your
body after a few months.

-John O

"doyle" > wrote in message
...
>......
> I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more than
> one person that became diabetic while on it.
>......

Atkins eliminates or severely curtails intake of sugars
and carbohydrates. Kindly explain how the avoidance
of these carbs can cause diabetes.

http://www.livinglifebetter.com/src/...iabetes_causes
among many many other references.

pavane

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:39:22 GMT, "pavane"
> wrote:

>
>"doyle" > wrote in message
...
>>......
>> I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more than
>> one person that became diabetic while on it.
>>......
>
>Atkins eliminates or severely curtails intake of sugars
>and carbohydrates. Kindly explain how the avoidance
>of these carbs can cause diabetes.
>
On the other hand, please don't. If you do, do it on
alt.freakin.atkins.diet.

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

In all seriousness, start jogging.

Take it very slow and get up to running 1 hour a day, six days a week.

After 1 year, I dropped to a healthy BMI, and actually eat more crappy
food than I did when I was 'fat'.




In article >,
Eddie > wrote:

> I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> Watchers program!
> Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> Omigod, what am I to do?
> Eddie
>

> Take it very slow and get up to running 1 hour a day, six days a week.
>

From the start, how long (in months) did it take you to be able to run for
an hour? I'm having a hard time getting past 30 minutes.

John O

Local > wrote in message >...
> In all seriousness, start jogging.
>
> Take it very slow and get up to running 1 hour a day, six days a week.
>
> After 1 year, I dropped to a healthy BMI, and actually eat more crappy
> food than I did when I was 'fat'.
>
>
>
>
> In article >,
> Eddie > wrote:
>
> > I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> > noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> > 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> > And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> > Watchers program!
> > Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> > learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> > Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> > learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> > Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> > Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> > pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> > Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> > Omigod, what am I to do?
> > Eddie
> >

There's no free ride. Eat right. Excercise. Carbs OK. Protein OK.
Oh, did I mention excercise?

Moo

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:39:22 GMT, "pavane"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"doyle" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>......
> >> I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more
than
> >> one person that became diabetic while on it.
> >>......
> >
> >Atkins eliminates or severely curtails intake of sugars
> >and carbohydrates. Kindly explain how the avoidance
> >of these carbs can cause diabetes.
> >
> On the other hand, please don't. If you do, do it on
> alt.freakin.atkins.diet.
>
> --
Amen to that Kevin. I was just thinkin'..."Here we go again!"

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

doyle wrote:

> "DesertDad" > wrote in message
> news:vA4ib.20723$gi2.16054@fed1read01...
>
>>"Eddie" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
>>>noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
>>>195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
>>>And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
>>>Watchers program!
>>>Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
>>>learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
>>>Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
>>>learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
>>>Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
>>>Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
>>>pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
>>>Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
>>>Omigod, what am I to do?
>>>Eddie
>>>
>>
>>This may help http://atkins.com/
>
>
> I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more than
> one person that became diabetic while on it.

What are the odds of that? You actually know multiple people who are not only
on the Atkins diet but who developed diabetes after they started the diet?

Diabetic people use the Atkins diet, and others like it, to manage their
disease, so it isn't likely that the diet also causes the disease.

> From what I understand it can wreak havoc on
> some people.

What havoc are you talking about? Constipation? I think you don't understand
very much in that case.

martin

--
Clark for President
http://www.clark04.com/

Martin Smith

You don't have to give up anything. But you do have to eat less of it, and
exercise more.


Regards

Louis Cohen
Living la vida loca at N37° 43' 7.9" W122° 8' 42.8"

"Eddie" > wrote in message
...
> I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> Watchers program!
> Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> Omigod, what am I to do?
> Eddie
>

"M.W. Smith" > wrote in message
...
> doyle wrote:
>
> > "DesertDad" > wrote in message
> > news:vA4ib.20723$gi2.16054@fed1read01...
> >
> >>"Eddie" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>
> >>>I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> >>>noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> >>>195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> >>>And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> >>>Watchers program!
> >>>Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> >>>learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> >>>Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> >>>learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> >>>Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> >>>Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> >>>pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> >>>Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> >>>Omigod, what am I to do?
> >>>Eddie
> >>>
> >>
> >>This may help http://atkins.com/
> >
> >
> > I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more
than
> > one person that became diabetic while on it.
>
> What are the odds of that? You actually know multiple people who are not
only
> on the Atkins diet but who developed diabetes after they started the diet?
>
> Diabetic people use the Atkins diet, and others like it, to manage their
> disease, so it isn't likely that the diet also causes the disease.
>
> > From what I understand it can wreak havoc on
> > some people.
>
> What havoc are you talking about? Constipation? I think you don't
understand
> very much in that case.
>
> martin
>
> --
> Clark for President
> http://www.clark04.com/
>
> Martin Smith
>

I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor. I have two friends that
developed
diabetes within a year of going on the diet. My wife became borderline while
on the
same diet. I am by no means an expert on nutrition because I have never
been
overweight. But if you really want insight, try this link.
http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/

"doyle" > wrote in message
...
> ........
> I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor. I have two friends that
> developed
> diabetes within a year of going on the diet. My wife became borderline
while
> on the
> same diet. I am by no means an expert on nutrition because I have never
> been
> overweight. But if you really want insight, try this link.
> http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/
> .......

If you do not wish to be ridiculed do not post information that
has a fallacious medical basis. If you are not an expert on
nutrition do not post information that has a fallacious nutritional
basis. If you do the above you are definitely inviting ridicule
and your posting claiming that a control of carbohydrates can
cause diabetes is almost criminally absurd. And your referenced
website is obviously a personal-injury lower driven spiderweb.

Now back to your RIDICULOUS claim: again, please explain how
restricting sugars and other carbohydrates can cause diabetes.
Use your own words if you cannot find adequate websites to quote.

pavane

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:26:08 -0700, "doyle" > wrote:

>I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor. I have two friends that
>developed
>diabetes within a year of going on the diet. My wife became borderline while
>on the
> same diet. I am by no means an expert on nutrition because I have never
>been
>overweight. But if you really want insight, try this link.
>http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/

Diabetes is not only a result of being obese, or even overweight.
Heredity plays a large part.
My wife's family (including herself) has a very high incidence of
diabetes, as does mine.
On her side, her mother, herself,and one of two brothers are diabetic,
and only her brother could be considered fat, but not obese.
In my faminy, both my parents, myself, and two sisters are/were
diabetic; the only one of my immediate family who isn't is my brother,
and he's borderline.

The site referrenced warns often of high protein diets, but they are
talking about a diet that's *very* high in protein, not one in which
the protein only makes up a larger percentage of the diet than a
'normal' diet. For example:
"Over time, individuals who consume very large amounts of protein..."
In this, they are very right; diets very high in protein can cause
problems.

However, a diet like Atkins (or the South Beach Diet, which
specifically addressed the problem with different types of fat),
despite *some* increased problems from the higher percentage of
protein that makes up the diet, has an overall benefit by reducing the
problems that obesity brings on.
Which, I note, they don't address at all.

I am happy to discover that this site doesn't seem to be promoting
their own product, a refreshing discovery.

I've been onthe South Beach Diet for a few months, and have lost over
30 pounds. I have a good doctor (and a good HMO), and I have access to
several specialists, including an endocrinologist.
I do monthly blood/urine tests, specifically because of the danger of
*any* unbalanced diet (which the Atkins type certainly is).

Those who want/need to lose a substantial amount of weight should
definitely not do this alone; they need the help of professionals, and
I don't mean Ted at the gym! Access to medical pros who actually have
some idea of nutrition is essential, which, unfortunately, many don't
have, either becauise they can't, or won't.

As for the Atkins diet causing diabetes, the site you referred to
doesn't say that. Instead, it says that a high-protein diet can
complicate diabetes.
"While high-protein diets may carry potential health risks for anyone
if maintained for more than a few weeks, they are especially risky for
people with recurrent kidney stones, kidney disease, diabetes,
osteoporosis, colon cancer, or heart disease."
What they fail to mention is the much more serious problems the
failure to lose weight *will* cause.

While that site does give some good info, they don't seem to offer
much as an alternative except to say, "eat more veggies." While not a
bad idea, they also point out that the more extreme a diet is, the
less likely the person is to stay on it, which means the extra weight
stays, with dangers that far outweigh the problems of an Atkins-type
diet.

In my own case (which I'm not attempting to present as typical), my
protein intake from meat is about 5-6 ounces a day, which does not
qualify as 'high protein'.
I have a lot of pulled pork lettuce wraps (which I've written about
here before), with a lot of veggies. I'm seldom hungry.
I've cut my insulin dose in half, which is a definite sign of good
things going on. My blood tests are showing continuing improvement in
bodily functions.
The Atkins-type diet certainly can work to reduce weight and the
serious problems that that extra weight produces. If it's abused, it
can (like any abuse problem) cause problems.

Will the Atkins diet cause diabetes? I haven't seen any evidence of
it. Not even on the site you showed us.
Those who use such a diet are doing so because they are overweight, a
condition that itself can cause diabetes.
--
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else.

"doyle" > wrote >
>
> I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor.

If you do not wanna be ridiculed I would recommend not bad mouthing the
Atkins diet here on afb. Consider yourself warned. <G>

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

High protein, low carbs, moderate execise, red wine with diner.
Have a nice life!
"Eddie" > wrote in message
...
> I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
> noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
> 195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
> And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
> Watchers program!
> Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
> learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
> Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
> learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
> Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
> Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
> pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
> Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
> Omigod, what am I to do?
> Eddie
>