I just returned from WalMart, home of the recently-arrested 300+ illegal
immigrants, where I found Black & Decker vacuum-sealer bags. A box with
two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).
The Tilia bags were selling for $9.97 for 15 pre-made 1-gallon bags
(about 66 cents per bag). I'm guessing the pre-sealed bags are about
12-inches long. So, at that rate, I'm getting 36 1-gallon bags for
$13.84 (about 38 cents per bag).

While it says on the box that they "work with leading brand vacuum
sealers," I wasn't sure of how well they'd work with my Tilia, so I only
bought one box. I just tried making one bag and sealing an apple and it
works just dandy. I'm going back to wipe them out.

Just thought I'd share.

--
Stan
<http://www.tocquevillian.com>

"Stan (the Man)" > wrote in message
t...
> I just returned from WalMart, home of the recently-arrested 300+ illegal
> immigrants, where I found Black & Decker vacuum-sealer bags. A box with
> two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).
> The Tilia bags were selling for $9.97 for 15 pre-made 1-gallon bags
> (about 66 cents per bag). I'm guessing the pre-sealed bags are about
> 12-inches long. So, at that rate, I'm getting 36 1-gallon bags for
> $13.84 (about 38 cents per bag).
>
> While it says on the box that they "work with leading brand vacuum
> sealers," I wasn't sure of how well they'd work with my Tilia, so I only
> bought one box. I just tried making one bag and sealing an apple and it
> works just dandy. I'm going back to wipe them out.
>
> Just thought I'd share.
>
> --
> Stan
> <http://www.tocquevillian.com>
>

Been using them a while...In fact I haven't ever used the Tila rolls or
bags...can you tell any difference?
Jack

Jack Sloan wrote:
> "Stan (the Man)" > wrote in message
> t...
>
>>I just returned from WalMart, home of the recently-arrested 300+ illegal
>>immigrants, where I found Black & Decker vacuum-sealer bags. A box with
>>two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).
>>The Tilia bags were selling for $9.97 for 15 pre-made 1-gallon bags
>>(about 66 cents per bag). I'm guessing the pre-sealed bags are about
>>12-inches long. So, at that rate, I'm getting 36 1-gallon bags for
>>$13.84 (about 38 cents per bag).
>>
>>While it says on the box that they "work with leading brand vacuum
>>sealers," I wasn't sure of how well they'd work with my Tilia, so I only
>>bought one box. I just tried making one bag and sealing an apple and it
>>works just dandy. I'm going back to wipe them out.
>>
>>Just thought I'd share.
>>
>>--
>>Stan
>><http://www.tocquevillian.com>
>>
>
> Been using them a while...In fact I haven't ever used the Tila rolls or
> bags...can you tell any difference?
> Jack

Only difference I can see is the Tilia bags have that crosshatch that
channel the air out. The B&D have those two inside flaps that appear to
perform the same function.

--
Stan
<http://www.tocquevillian.com>

"Stan (the Man)" > wrote in message
t...


A box with
> two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).

$13.84/396 = $0.0349/sqft.


I recently bought 4-11"x18' & 2-8"x22' Tillia bags at Costco for $39.95.
$39.95/1144 = $0.0349/sqft.

Well, shit. Maybe Sam's Club will get the Black & Decker bags and sell a
6-pack for $0.02!


Spud

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:48:45 GMT, "Spud" > wrote:

>"Stan (the Man)" > wrote in message
et...
>
>
> A box with
>> two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).
>
>$13.84/396 = $0.0349/sqft.
>
> I recently bought 4-11"x18' & 2-8"x22' Tillia bags at Costco for $39.95.
>$39.95/1144 = $0.0349/sqft.

My turn, math-spud:

Those are square inches,not feet :-P

-sw

> My turn, math-spud:
>
> Those are square inches,not feet :-P
>
> -sw

You got me there! Freshman mistake. The correct numbers a

A box with two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per
roll).

$13.84 / (2*11/12*18)= 0.42 /sqft. B&D @ Walmart


..
I recently bought 4-11"x18' & 2-8"x22' Tillia bags at Costco for $39.95.
$39.95/ (4*11/12*18) + (2*8/12*22)

=39.95/ 95.33

=$0.42/sqft. Tillia @ Costco

So an 11x12 costs 39 cents. Still pretty expensive compared to Ziplocks.

The correct numbers are $0.42/sqft.

See below.

Try here! cheepest I've found yet

http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html

Walt

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:58 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> wrote:

>I just returned from WalMart, home of the recently-arrested 300+ illegal
>immigrants, where I found Black & Decker vacuum-sealer bags. A box with
>two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).
>The Tilia bags were selling for $9.97 for 15 pre-made 1-gallon bags
>(about 66 cents per bag). I'm guessing the pre-sealed bags are about
>12-inches long. So, at that rate, I'm getting 36 1-gallon bags for
>$13.84 (about 38 cents per bag).
>
>While it says on the box that they "work with leading brand vacuum
>sealers," I wasn't sure of how well they'd work with my Tilia, so I only
>bought one box. I just tried making one bag and sealing an apple and it
>works just dandy. I'm going back to wipe them out.
>
>Just thought I'd share.

"Walter H. Lewis III" > wrote in message
...
> Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>
> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>
> Walt
>

I want the NitroVac!

Jack

Walter H. Lewis III wrote:

> Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>
> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>
> Walt

You've tried these with the Tilia and they work?

--
Stan
<http://www.tocquevillian.com>




> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:58 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I just returned from WalMart, home of the recently-arrested 300+ illegal
>>immigrants, where I found Black & Decker vacuum-sealer bags. A box with
>>two 18-ft long, 11-inch (gallon) rolls cost me $13.84 ($6.92 per roll).
>>The Tilia bags were selling for $9.97 for 15 pre-made 1-gallon bags
>>(about 66 cents per bag). I'm guessing the pre-sealed bags are about
>>12-inches long. So, at that rate, I'm getting 36 1-gallon bags for
>>$13.84 (about 38 cents per bag).
>>
>>While it says on the box that they "work with leading brand vacuum
>>sealers," I wasn't sure of how well they'd work with my Tilia, so I only
>>bought one box. I just tried making one bag and sealing an apple and it
>>works just dandy. I'm going back to wipe them out.
>>
>>Just thought I'd share.
>
>

Stan (the Man) wrote:
>
>
> Walter H. Lewis III wrote:
>
>> Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>>
>> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>>
>> Walt
>
>
> You've tried these with the Tilia and they work?
>

I've tried 'em and they work. But I think Tilia rolls at Sam's Club are a
little cheaper.

Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message > >> Try here! cheepest
I've found yet
> >>
> >> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
> >>
> >> Walt
> >
> >
> > You've tried these with the Tilia and they work?
> >
>
> I've tried 'em and they work. But I think Tilia rolls at Sam's Club are a
> little cheaper.

They no longer sell the Tilia style bags. They go caught selling out the
back door, so to speak.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:18 GMT, Walter H. Lewis III
> wrote:


>Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>
>http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html

They can't sell the channel bags anymore. Tilia's lawyers made them
stop.

I tried placing an order in May. Nada. Zip. Zilch. got a note back
saying I'm ass-out.

-sw

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:18 GMT, Walter H. Lewis III
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>>
>>http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>
>
> They can't sell the channel bags anymore. Tilia's lawyers made them
> stop.
>
> I tried placing an order in May. Nada. Zip. Zilch. got a note back
> saying I'm ass-out.

I wonder if that's why the Black & Decker bags have attached inserts,
rather than crosshatching right on the bag itself.

--
Stan
<http://www.tocquevillian.com>

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:54:49 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> wrote:

>Steve Wertz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:18 GMT, Walter H. Lewis III
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>>>
>>>http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>>
>>
>> They can't sell the channel bags anymore. Tilia's lawyers made them
>> stop.
>>
>> I tried placing an order in May. Nada. Zip. Zilch. got a note back
>> saying I'm ass-out.
>
>I wonder if that's why the Black & Decker bags have attached inserts,
>rather than crosshatching right on the bag itself.

Probably. I beleive dessicant.com manufactures the bags for Tilia.
Since Tilia has a patent on the bag, Sorbent Systems (dessicant.com)
can't be selling them out the back door.

If somebody (B&Decker) were to come up with a significantly different
design, that would keep the patent lawyers away.

I hate Tilias market monopoly. The bags are overpriced (gotta pay for
all those infomercials somehow). Hopefully the B&D bags (as well as
the system) put a dent in their sales.

-sw

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:54:49 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:18 GMT, Walter H. Lewis III
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>>>>
>>>>http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>>>
>>>
>>>They can't sell the channel bags anymore. Tilia's lawyers made them
>>>stop.
>>>
>>>I tried placing an order in May. Nada. Zip. Zilch. got a note back
>>>saying I'm ass-out.
>>
>>I wonder if that's why the Black & Decker bags have attached inserts,
>>rather than crosshatching right on the bag itself.
>
>
> Probably. I beleive dessicant.com manufactures the bags for Tilia.
> Since Tilia has a patent on the bag, Sorbent Systems (dessicant.com)
> can't be selling them out the back door.
>
> If somebody (B&Decker) were to come up with a significantly different
> design, that would keep the patent lawyers away.
>
> I hate Tilias market monopoly. The bags are overpriced (gotta pay for
> all those infomercials somehow). Hopefully the B&D bags (as well as
> the system) put a dent in their sales.
>
> -sw

They will, if I have anything to do with it.

--
Stan
<http://www.tocquevillian.com>

"Walter H. Lewis III" > wrote in message
...
> Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>
> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>
> Walt
>
<snip>

The dessicant.com link leads to Sorbent Systems which is the actual
manufacturer of most vacuum bags. They do in fact manufacture the
Foodsaver/Tilia bags, but will no longer sell them retail. Foodsaver
holds the patent. Sorbent does retail bags for their own vacuum
sealers and they are a great deal cheaper. I buy their 8 X 12" bags
for 10.5 cents apiece. I also use a lot of their 6 X 8" bags which are
even cheaper. Check the site for pricing of various sizes.

Brick (and his Sinbo VS 280 Vac Sealer)

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:32 -0400, "Brick" >
wrote:

>
>"Walter H. Lewis III" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>>
>> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>>
>> Walt
>>
><snip>
>
>The dessicant.com link leads to Sorbent Systems which is the actual
>manufacturer of most vacuum bags. They do in fact manufacture the
>Foodsaver/Tilia bags, but will no longer sell them retail. Foodsaver
>holds the patent. Sorbent does retail bags for their own vacuum
>sealers and they are a great deal cheaper. I buy their 8 X 12" bags
>for 10.5 cents apiece. I also use a lot of their 6 X 8" bags which are
>even cheaper. Check the site for pricing of various sizes.
>
>Brick (and his Sinbo VS 280 Vac Sealer)
>

Brick,

how do you like your Sinbo?

In fact, since most folks around here have mainly talked about the
tilia brand sealers (I got a Professional II when I was accessorizing
while waiting for my Kamado to be delivered ) , we should see how many
are using other sealers and get some comparisons. If there are other
types of vacuum sealers that are equal or better functionally and have
lower operating costs (bags, rolls, etc) that'd be some good info to
share.


-Chef Juke
http://www.chefjuke.com
"Everybody Eats when they come to MY house!"

(Remove the CAPS from the return address when sending email replies)

Chef Juke > wrote in message
...
>
> how do you like your Sinbo?
>
> In fact, since most folks around here have mainly talked about the
> tilia brand sealers (I got a Professional II when I was accessorizing
> while waiting for my Kamado to be delivered ) , we should see how many
> are using other sealers and get some comparisons. If there are other
> types of vacuum sealers that are equal or better functionally and have
> lower operating costs (bags, rolls, etc) that'd be some good info to
> share.
>

Chef Juke,

I'm using the Sinbo and am quite pleased. The only significant downside I
found when doing the research a few months ago was the Sinbo's inablility to
seal bottles, etc. That's not a big deal for us. And is certainly offset
by the savings in bags.

--
TFM3

Note: Spam-resistant e-mail address

"Chef Juke" > wrote in message

> In fact, since most folks around here have mainly talked about the
> tilia brand sealers (I got a Professional II when I was accessorizing
> while waiting for my Kamado to be delivered ) , we should see how many
> are using other sealers and get some comparisons. If there are other
> types of vacuum sealers that are equal or better functionally and have
> lower operating costs (bags, rolls, etc) that'd be some good info to
> share.


Here is a link to one site that has some comparisons, but not recent.
http://www.pump-n-seal.com/vacuumtest.htm

This will give at least some basis for comparison. I don't know just how
much vacuum must be drawn for proper food protection.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

Hopefully there is.
I love my Tilias, but..
I Just Had to Have the Canister model.
Right out of the box, the canister port was cracked. Tillia will replace
for only shipping, but it looks like it will crack easily..?!

>If there are other
> types of vacuum sealers that are equal or better functionally and have
> lower operating costs (bags, rolls, etc) that'd be some good info to
> share.
>
>
> -Chef Juke
> http://www.chefjuke.com
> "Everybody Eats when they come to MY house!"
>
> (Remove the CAPS from the return address when sending email replies)
>

"Chef Juke" wrote
>
> Brick,
>
> how do you like your Sinbo?
>
> In fact, since most folks around here have mainly talked about the
> tilia brand sealers (I got a Professional II when I was
accessorizing
> while waiting for my Kamado to be delivered ) , we should see how
many
> are using other sealers and get some comparisons. If there are
other
> types of vacuum sealers that are equal or better functionally and
have
> lower operating costs (bags, rolls, etc) that'd be some good info to
> share.
>
>
> -Chef Juke

CC,

I have both a Foodsaver and a Sinbo VS 280 from Sorbent Systems.
I've never caught Foodsaver bags on sale. They remain pretty
consistently
priced from store to store. I have a box of 22 1Qt Foodsaver bags here
that I paid $9.99 + Tax for. ($10.69). That's 48 1/2 cents apiece. I
buy
Sorbent bags in quantities of 400 at a time. I split my order last
time between
8 X 12" (Qts) and 6 X 8" (sandwich). Qts were 200 for $21 and sandwich
were 200 for $14.50. S & H was $8.50. total cost $44.00 or 11 cents
each.

The Sinbo machine is referred to as a snorkel type. It has a
retractable snout
that holds a small portion of the bag open while it is being
evacuated. Once
vacuum is achieved, the bag is sealed much the same as the Tilia
machine.
The snorkel is retracted by a strong spring at the beginning of the
sealing
process with little or no loss of vacuum. I've been using my VS 280
for
nearly a year now and I use a lot of bags. Far more then I could
justify
were I using the Foodsaver. And I don't have to bother washing bags
for re-use. There is nothing special about the Sorbent bags. I doubt
that
there is any kind of patent on them. They are 3 mil poly bags of
consistently
high quality, certainly equal to the Foodsaver bags. They are made by
the same company after all. Sorbent also markets heavy duty (4 mil)
bags
as well as various specialty types.

Brick (long winded as usual)

Why are they not shipping them now?
"Walter H. Lewis III" > wrote in message
...
> Try here! cheepest I've found yet
>
> http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
>
> Walt
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:58 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> > wrote:

"Ch" > wrote in message
...
> Why are they not shipping them now?
> "Walter H. Lewis III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Try here! cheepest I've found yet
> >
> > http://www.dessicant.com/channel_bags.html
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:20:58 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> > > wrote:
>
>

Patent infringement. While it's true that Sorbent manufactures the
bags
the patent is owned by Tilia. Sorbent got caught selling patented bags
without a license. The fact that Foodsaver bag marketing data remains
on the Sorbent Systems site tends to indicate that they may be
negotiating for a license. Who knows?

Brick