On 30-Jan-2004, "F.G. Whitfurrows" > wrote:

> Xref: news-g.iadfw.net alt.food.barbecue:88880
>
> If they serve beer after dinner in Heaven, this would be the one they
> served.
>
> Of course I've posted this one before, but not with the glass.:>)
>
> --
> Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
> and his 6" boner
>
>
> << Attached file: samiglass.jpg (33,042 bytes) >>
>
> << Attached file: samiglasscu.jpg (36,900 bytes) >>

I had to do a doubletake Fos. Sure enough, I'm looking at AFB not ABF.
The links pulled up the pic's. I guess Airnews isn't as strict about rules
as they imply. They won't carry ABF 'cause they can't find a charter
for it, but they let binaries slip through into their text groups. Go
figure.

M&M

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:

> If they serve beer after dinner in Heaven, this would be the one they
> served.
>
> Of course I've posted this one before, but not with the glass.:>)
>
>
Wow, never saw that glass before. Back when it was still brewed by
Hurlimann in Switzerland, I picked up a couple of small "steins" (about
4 oz.) from Samichlaus which said "Das starkste Bier der Welt" on the
reverse. Came from the importer but, since they don't bring in the new
version, the stein's gone. Still have some nice glasses, tho',
including a nice snifter for the soon-to-be-resurrected Thomas Hardy.

BUT, I like to give my Sami some time to age, so while I've had a bottle
or two of the Austrian stuff, most of my Sami is from my cellar where I
have about 5 cases of various years throughout the late 80's and early 90's.

wrote:

Came from the importer but, since they don't bring in the new
> version, the stein's gone. Still have some nice glasses, tho',
> including a nice snifter for the soon-to-be-resurrected Thomas Hardy.

http://mythbirdbeer.com/index.shtml

"F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:

> [Image]
>
> [Image]

Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.




Brian Rodenborn

"Default User" > wrote in message
...
> "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
>
> > [Image]
> >
> > [Image]
>
> Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
>
>

Oh...I'm sorry Brian. Did you BBQ guys not wanna see pictures of the beers I
drink everyday here on afb? silly me. I don't know what could have prompted
me to believe that guys like you might be interested in my binary posts here
on this text newsgroup. I guess you are the only guy to complain because
most of these guys just figgered I must have made a mistake andposted to the
wrong group. Not you, though, Bri! Nope, not you. You're way to smart for
ol' Fos. Thought for sure I could just start slippin these little beer pics
in here and there and none would be the wiser, but I guess I gotta get up a
lot earlier in the morning to run one by the ol' Default User. Sheesh!
Please don't report my abuse to the netcops, ok, Bri? I really don't think I
could live with the humiliation.

For God's Sakes!

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

> wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
> Came from the importer but, since they don't bring in the new
> > version, the stein's gone. Still have some nice glasses, tho',
> > including a nice snifter for the soon-to-be-resurrected Thomas Hardy.
>
> http://mythbirdbeer.com/index.shtml
>

Now you wouldn't be using my untimely binary posting to a text group as an
opportunity to introduce your personal brand of spam to the group, would ya?
'Cause if ya are then go to hell, but if you're not and you're just a
friendly type fell who wanted to share some really cool beer info with a
fellow hophead.....Thank you my friend for the very cool link.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

"F.G. Whitfurrows" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
> >
> > > [Image]
> > >
> > > [Image]
> >
> > Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
> >
> >
>
> Oh...I'm sorry Brian. Did you BBQ guys not wanna see pictures of the beers
I
> drink everyday here on afb? silly me. I don't know what could have
prompted
> me to believe that guys like you might be interested in my binary posts
here
> on this text newsgroup. I guess you are the only guy to complain because
> most of these guys just figgered I must have made a mistake andposted to
the
> wrong group. Not you, though, Bri! Nope, not you. You're way to smart for
> ol' Fos. Thought for sure I could just start slippin these little beer
pics
> in here and there and none would be the wiser, but I guess I gotta get up
a
> lot earlier in the morning to run one by the ol' Default User. Sheesh!
> Please don't report my abuse to the netcops, ok, Bri? I really don't think
I
> could live with the humiliation.
>
> For God's Sakes!
>
> --
> Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
> and his 6" boner
>
Golly gee... An internationally...hell, world wide known hobbit and food
photographer and chef accidently posts on the wrong ng and forevermore is
know as the dummy who posts wrong..the DWPW. I hate it when hobbitses go
bad.... when will the embarrasment ever end.

I feel for ya man.
Jack

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
>>
>>> [Image]
>>>
>>> [Image]
>>
>> Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
>>
>>
>
> Oh...I'm sorry Brian. Did you BBQ guys not wanna see pictures of the beers I
> drink everyday here on afb? silly me. I don't know what could have prompted
> me to believe that guys like you might be interested in my binary posts here
> on this text newsgroup. I guess you are the only guy to complain because
> most of these guys just figgered I must have made a mistake andposted to the
> wrong group. Not you, though, Bri! Nope, not you. You're way to smart for
> ol' Fos. Thought for sure I could just start slippin these little beer pics
> in here and there and none would be the wiser, but I guess I gotta get up a
> lot earlier in the morning to run one by the ol' Default User. Sheesh!
> Please don't report my abuse to the netcops, ok, Bri? I really don't think I
> could live with the humiliation.
>
> For God's Sakes!
>
> --
> Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
> and his 6" boner

I just figgered that you'd had about one too many and had no idea where you
were.
8-o
8-)

BOB

BOB wrote:
> F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
>> "Default User" > wrote in message

>> Default User. Sheesh! Please don't report my abuse to the netcops,
>> ok, Bri? I really don't think I could live with the humiliation.
>>
>> For God's Sakes!
>
> I just figgered that you'd had about one too many and had no idea
> where you were.
> 8-o
> 8-)
>
> BOB

It's a little known fact that Hobbitts's' are distantly related to Trollsssz
and Ogres.

It's all in the breeding dontcha know. It had to happen sooner or later.

Dale

--

Duwop wrote:
> BOB wrote:
>> F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
>>> "Default User" > wrote in message
>
>>> Default User. Sheesh! Please don't report my abuse to the netcops,
>>> ok, Bri? I really don't think I could live with the humiliation.
>>>
>>> For God's Sakes!
>>
>> I just figgered that you'd had about one too many and had no idea
>> where you were.
>> 8-o
>> 8-)
>>
>> BOB
>
> It's a little known fact that Hobbitts's' are distantly related to Trollsssz
> and Ogres.
>
> It's all in the breeding dontcha know. It had to happen sooner or later.
>
> Dale
>
Oh, Man! Say it ain't so! Not *Our* fuzzy-footed hobbit?

I think *I* need a drink or three now!

BOB

Default User wrote:
> "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
>
>> [Image]
>>
>> [Image]
>
> Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
>
>
>
>
> Brian Rodenborn

Agreed with you twice, but not this time. Give the NetCop thing a rest,
Brian. Fos made a minor mistake, no need to blow whistles.

Jack Curry

"Jack Curry" <Jack-Curry deletethis @cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
. com...
> Default User wrote:
> > "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
> >
> >> [Image]
> >>
> >> [Image]
> >
> > Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Rodenborn
>
> Agreed with you twice, but not this time. Give the NetCop thing a rest,
> Brian. Fos made a minor mistake, no need to blow whistles.
>
> Jack Curry
>

<A very sheepish> Thank you Jack.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

In article >,
says...
>
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
> >
> > > [Image]
> > >
> > > [Image]
> >
> > Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
> >
> >
>
> Oh...I'm sorry Brian. Did you BBQ guys not wanna see pictures of the beers I
> drink everyday here on afb? silly me. I don't know what could have prompted
> me to believe that guys like you might be interested in my binary posts here
> on this text newsgroup. I guess you are the only guy to complain because
> most of these guys just figgered I must have made a mistake andposted to the
> wrong group. Not you, though, Bri! Nope, not you. You're way to smart for
> ol' Fos. Thought for sure I could just start slippin these little beer pics
> in here and there and none would be the wiser, but I guess I gotta get up a
> lot earlier in the morning to run one by the ol' Default User. Sheesh!
> Please don't report my abuse to the netcops, ok, Bri? I really don't think I
> could live with the humiliation.
>
> For God's Sakes!
>
>

Well, they didn't make it here because they got filtered, just like
all binary posts to text groups get filtered on this news service and
any other well run news service. If you want to blow it off by acting
childish, go ahead. But you were wrong to do it.

Bill

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > "Default User" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
> > >
> > > > [Image]
> > > >
> > > > [Image]
> > >
> > > Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oh...I'm sorry Brian. Did you BBQ guys not wanna see pictures of the
beers I
> > drink everyday here on afb? silly me. I don't know what could have
prompted
> > me to believe that guys like you might be interested in my binary posts
here
> > on this text newsgroup. I guess you are the only guy to complain because
> > most of these guys just figgered I must have made a mistake andposted to
the
> > wrong group. Not you, though, Bri! Nope, not you. You're way to smart
for
> > ol' Fos. Thought for sure I could just start slippin these little beer
pics
> > in here and there and none would be the wiser, but I guess I gotta get
up a
> > lot earlier in the morning to run one by the ol' Default User. Sheesh!
> > Please don't report my abuse to the netcops, ok, Bri? I really don't
think I
> > could live with the humiliation.
> >
> > For God's Sakes!
> >
> >
>
> Well, they didn't make it here because they got filtered, just like
> all binary posts to text groups get filtered on this news service and
> any other well run news service. If you want to blow it off by acting
> childish, go ahead. But you were wrong to do it.
>
> Bill

Well said Bill. I feel very silly now for making such a stupid and
irresponsible mistake. Won't happen again.

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner
Shakin' my head and wonderin what the hell
happened to the group I knew and loved.
I guess maybe its no more Mr. Knife Guy.

Jeezus, guys. I'm sorry, ok? It was a MISTAKE. Holy moly, fellas, get a
life, why don't ya?

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

"F.G. Whitfurrows" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:
> >
> > > [Image]
> > >
> > > [Image]
> >
> > Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.
> >
> >
>
> Oh...I'm sorry Brian. Did you BBQ guys not wanna see pictures of the beers
I
> drink everyday here on afb? silly me. I don't know what could have
prompted
> me to believe that guys like you might be interested in my binary posts
here
> on this text newsgroup. I guess you are the only guy to complain because
> most of these guys just figgered I must have made a mistake andposted to
the
> wrong group. Not you, though, Bri! Nope, not you. You're way to smart for
> ol' Fos. Thought for sure I could just start slippin these little beer
pics
> in here and there and none would be the wiser, but I guess I gotta get up
a
> lot earlier in the morning to run one by the ol' Default User. Sheesh!
> Please don't report my abuse to the netcops, ok, Bri? I really don't think
I
> could live with the humiliation.
>
> For God's Sakes!
>


Stand down, Fos. You ****ed up and posted to the wrong group. Yer sounding
like our favorite bully Kevin here.

Everybody just take a sip and calm down.

Jack

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:39:50 -0800, "F.G. Whitfurrows"
> wrote:

>Jeezus, guys. I'm sorry, ok? It was a MISTAKE. Holy moly, fellas, get a
>life, why don't ya?

S'okay, Fos - It's a slow news night, eh.

Harry

In article >,
says...
>
>

<snip>

> Well said Bill. I feel very silly now for making such a stupid and
> irresponsible mistake. Won't happen again.
>
>

Fos, you're a mensch.

Bill

On 30-Jan-2004, "F.G. Whitfurrows" > wrote:

> Shakin' my head and wonderin what the hell
> happened to the group I knew and loved.
> I guess maybe its no more Mr. Knife Guy.

Not to worry 'Hobbit'. We're still here and we're not going
away. You might have noticed that most of the responses
to your mis-post including mine were far more tongue in
cheek then critical. I feel wounded because you got at
least as much response as my bank statement did. Of
course we know that we'll never, ever make a mistake
again will we?

M&M

M&M wrote:
> On 30-Jan-2004, "F.G. Whitfurrows" > wrote:
>
>> Shakin' my head and wonderin what the hell
>> happened to the group I knew and loved.
>> I guess maybe its no more Mr. Knife Guy.
>
> Not to worry 'Hobbit'. We're still here and we're not going
> away. You might have noticed that most of the responses
> to your mis-post including mine were far more tongue in
> cheek then critical. I feel wounded because you got at
> least as much response as my bank statement did. Of
> course we know that we'll never, ever make a mistake
> again will we?
>
> M&M

I'm still waiting for your bank statement again. I have this "friend" in
Nigeria that can make us some fantastic money if we can use your account
number...
'-)

BOB

still chomping on brisket from the other night.

On 31-Jan-2004, " BOB" > wrote:

> I'm still waiting for your bank statement again. I have this "friend" in
> Nigeria that can make us some fantastic money if we can use your account
> number...
> '-)
>
> BOB

I think your friend in Nigeria is getting desparate. He's even
e-mailed me several times. I told him that BOB was willing
to help out, but nothing ever came of it. I never got my
commission.

M&M

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:


>
> Now you wouldn't be using my untimely binary posting to a text group as an
> opportunity to introduce your personal brand of spam to the group, would ya?
> 'Cause if ya are then go to hell,

What a minute- one lousy link to a commercial site and I'm "spamming"?
I was just pointing out the website of Samichlaus' former importer, who
used to sell a different glass than the one you showed. I'd forgotten
to put the link in the post, thus the reply to my own post. I didn't
realize such an innocent, on topic reply would get such a reaction (esp.
considering the reaction you knew YOU'D get for posting OT and binaries).

I suppose that's why I've NEVER seen a link to the websites of Kamado,
Smokey Mt., Klose., et. al., or for charcoal or for any other bbq gizmo
on this group.

But, yeah, you caught me. I'm the owner of the great beer importer
who carries one of the best known Belgian beers and some fine UK imports
but I'm just dying to make another $1 profit total selling a couple of
glasses to the light lager drinkers on afb...



but if you're not and you're just a
> friendly type fell who wanted to share some really cool beer info with a
> fellow hophead.....Thank you my friend for the very cool link.

Oh, OK <g>. Sorry for the above, as well.

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
> Shakin' my head and wonderin what the hell
> happened to the group I knew and loved.

I know how ya feel, Fos. It tain't da same and never will be like it used
to be again. <sigh>
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

> wrote

> But, yeah, you caught me. I'm the owner of the great beer importer
> who carries one of the best known Belgian beers and some fine UK imports
> but I'm just dying to make another $1 profit total selling a couple of
> glasses to the light lager drinkers on afb...
>


<snicker> The lld on afb. I like that.

Thanks again for the link. Pretty cool.
So you buy your Sami by the case? A very interesting idea but I couldn't
possibly keep it around long enough to make it worth the trouble. Although
it does take me quite awhile to drink one. Liquid refreshment on a hot day
it ain't.

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:

> Thanks again for the link. Pretty cool.


> So you buy your Sami by the case? A very interesting idea but I couldn't
> possibly keep it around long enough to make it worth the trouble.

Well, it helps to have a cellar of 20-30 cases of various "age-able"
beers, of course. About 4 cases of Samichlaus, 2 of Fuller's Vintage, 4
of various years of Thomas Hardy, some Alaskan Smoked Porter, Le Coq
Russian Imperial Stout, Courage Russian Imperial Stout ('92), various
Belgians, various cases of Bigfoot, Celebration, Brooklyn Monster, Old
Horizontal & other US impies and barleywines, etc. Even a bottle of
Ballantine Burton Ale, brewed in the 40's bottled in the 60's that I'll
probably share with a co-worker when they close my plant later this
month. He's also my "beer partner"- we often split cases of the
expensive stuff (and then the guy who liked it best tries to buy the
rest off of the other guy).

wrote:
> F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
>
>> Thanks again for the link. Pretty cool.
>
>
>> So you buy your Sami by the case? A very interesting idea but I
>> couldn't possibly keep it around long enough to make it worth the
>> trouble.
>
> Well, it helps to have a cellar of 20-30 cases of various "age-able"
> beers, of course. About 4 cases of Samichlaus, 2 of Fuller's
> Vintage, 4 of various years of Thomas Hardy, some Alaskan Smoked
> Porter, Le Coq Russian Imperial Stout, Courage Russian Imperial Stout
> ('92), various Belgians, various cases of Bigfoot, Celebration,
> Brooklyn Monster, Old Horizontal & other US impies and barleywines,
> etc. Even a bottle of Ballantine Burton Ale, brewed in the 40's
> bottled in the 60's that I'll probably share with a co-worker when
> they close my plant later this month. He's also my "beer partner"-
> we often split cases of the expensive stuff (and then the guy who
> liked it best tries to buy the rest off of the other guy).

Sooo, what does it take to get invited to your house to check out your beer
collection?

Jack Curry

"Jack Curry" <Jack-Curry deletethis @cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
. com...
> wrote:
> > F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks again for the link. Pretty cool.
> >
> >
> >> So you buy your Sami by the case? A very interesting idea but I
> >> couldn't possibly keep it around long enough to make it worth the
> >> trouble.
> >
> > Well, it helps to have a cellar of 20-30 cases of various "age-able"
> > beers, of course. About 4 cases of Samichlaus, 2 of Fuller's
> > Vintage, 4 of various years of Thomas Hardy, some Alaskan Smoked
> > Porter, Le Coq Russian Imperial Stout, Courage Russian Imperial Stout
> > ('92), various Belgians, various cases of Bigfoot, Celebration,
> > Brooklyn Monster, Old Horizontal & other US impies and barleywines,
> > etc. Even a bottle of Ballantine Burton Ale, brewed in the 40's
> > bottled in the 60's that I'll probably share with a co-worker when
> > they close my plant later this month. He's also my "beer partner"-
> > we often split cases of the expensive stuff (and then the guy who
> > liked it best tries to buy the rest off of the other guy).
>
> Sooo, what does it take to get invited to your house to check out your
beer
> collection?
>
> Jack Curry
>
>

That is EXACTLY what I was thinkin', Jack. Or even better...What does it
take to get left at your house alone while checking out your beer
collection?<seg>

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

F.G. Whitfurrows wrote:

> "Jack Curry" <Jack-Curry deletethis @cfl.rr.com> wrote in message

>>
>>Sooo, what does it take to get invited to your house to check out your
> > beer>>collection?

>
> That is EXACTLY what I was thinkin', Jack. Or even better...What does it
> take to get left at your house alone while checking out your beer
> collection?<seg>

Well, I'll certainly keep you guys in mind should I get rid of the #5
Kamado and upgrade to a #7 or #9...

Jack Curry wrote:
>
> Default User wrote:

> > Please don't post binaries to text-only newsgroups.

>
> Agreed with you twice, but not this time. Give the NetCop thing a rest,
> Brian. Fos made a minor mistake, no need to blow whistles.


I don't want to beat a several-day-old horse here, but I'll have to
disagree with you. Binary attachments are more than an annoyance in
newsgroups, they can actually lead to some news services dropping said
groups.

As such, I'll continue to politely ask that people refrain from doing
so.




Brian Rodenborn

Default User wrote:
> I don't want to beat a several-day-old horse here, but I'll have to
> disagree with you. Binary attachments are more than an annoyance in
> newsgroups, they can actually lead to some news services dropping said
> groups.
> As such, I'll continue to politely ask that people refrain from doing
> so.

Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so fickle.
Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no matter
how polite ya is.
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

In article >, says...
> Default User wrote:
> > I don't want to beat a several-day-old horse here, but I'll have to
> > disagree with you. Binary attachments are more than an annoyance in
> > newsgroups, they can actually lead to some news services dropping said
> > groups.
> > As such, I'll continue to politely ask that people refrain from doing
> > so.
>
> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so fickle.
> Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no matter
> how polite ya is.
>

I fail to see where there is any moderation or netcopping going on. He asked politely
of somebody not to post binaries in a text group. Such posts belong in a binary group.
they don't propogate well because most news servers filter them out of the text groups,
and when the're not filtered, they age a disproportionate number of text messages
prematurely of of the newsgroup.

Bill

frohe wrote:

> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so fickle.
> Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no matter
> how polite ya is.

Aren't you doing the same thing? Why is it ok for you to object to what
I do, but not for me?

Besides, you are missing the point. Posting binaries can cause the
newsgroup to be dropped by servers. That's not fair to people who use
those servers to access the group. Of course, the occasional binary
won't cause that, but if people start to post binaries regularly, that
could happen. One way things tend to grow is when they see others do
things and no one objects.

As you point out, this is an unmoderated group. So what? Does that mean
we allow any behavior without raising objections? Groups where that is
the norm soon spiral into uselessness.

When I see behavior that I don't like, and that I feel is a violation of
netiquette, I will object. You can call it netcopping or moderation if
you like, but I don't care.




Brian Rodenborn

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:53:52 GMT, Default User
> wrote:

>frohe wrote:
>
>> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so fickle.
>> Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no matter
>> how polite ya is.
>
>Aren't you doing the same thing? Why is it ok for you to object to what
>I do, but not for me?
>
>Besides, you are missing the point. Posting binaries can cause the
>newsgroup to be dropped by servers. That's not fair to people who use
>those servers to access the group. Of course, the occasional binary
>won't cause that, but if people start to post binaries regularly, that
>could happen. One way things tend to grow is when they see others do
>things and no one objects.
>
>As you point out, this is an unmoderated group. So what? Does that mean
>we allow any behavior without raising objections? Groups where that is
>the norm soon spiral into uselessness.
>
>When I see behavior that I don't like, and that I feel is a violation of
>netiquette, I will object. You can call it netcopping or moderation if
>you like, but I don't care.
>
>
All of what you say is true. It has also been explained many times to
the people who read this group, including frohe. Many people have
found it to be a rational, compelling explanation of why binaries are
unwelcome in non-binary groups. A few others choose to ignore or
downplay the importance of long-standing traditions of online
behavior, apparently believing that asking politely for people to
adher to these traditions amounts to "netcopping" or an attempt to
moderate.

That's dumb, of course, and it has also been pointed out to frohe.

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile."
--Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:53:52 GMT, Default User
> > wrote:
>
> >frohe wrote:
> >
> >> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so
fickle.
> >> Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no
matter
> >> how polite ya is.
> >
> >Aren't you doing the same thing? Why is it ok for you to object to what
> >I do, but not for me?
> >
> >Besides, you are missing the point. Posting binaries can cause the
> >newsgroup to be dropped by servers. That's not fair to people who use
> >those servers to access the group. Of course, the occasional binary
> >won't cause that, but if people start to post binaries regularly, that
> >could happen. One way things tend to grow is when they see others do
> >things and no one objects.
> >
> >As you point out, this is an unmoderated group. So what? Does that mean
> >we allow any behavior without raising objections? Groups where that is
> >the norm soon spiral into uselessness.
> >
> >When I see behavior that I don't like, and that I feel is a violation of
> >netiquette, I will object. You can call it netcopping or moderation if
> >you like, but I don't care.
> >
> >
> All of what you say is true. It has also been explained many times to
> the people who read this group, including frohe. Many people have
> found it to be a rational, compelling explanation of why binaries are
> unwelcome in non-binary groups. A few others choose to ignore or
> downplay the importance of long-standing traditions of online
> behavior, apparently believing that asking politely for people to
> adher to these traditions amounts to "netcopping" or an attempt to
> moderate.
>
> That's dumb, of course, and it has also been pointed out to frohe.
>
> --
> Kevin S. Wilson
> Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
> "Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile."
> --Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology

Hey, the guy made a mistake and posted to the wrong ng. He came back and
apologized. It's over.Or maybe it's not over 'til Kevin says it's over.
Jack

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:47:11 -0600, "Jack Sloan" >
wrote:
>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:53:52 GMT, Default User
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >frohe wrote:
>> >
>> >> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so
>fickle.
>> >> Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no
>matter
>> >> how polite ya is.
>> >
<snip>

>Hey, the guy made a mistake and posted to the wrong ng. He came back and
>apologized. It's over.Or maybe it's not over 'til Kevin says it's over.

I didn't say anything about or to the guy who posted the binary. I was
responding to frohe's comments (see above), and to the reasonable,
logical follow-up the comments received.

Try to keep up.

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile."
--Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:47:11 -0600, "Jack Sloan" >
> wrote:
> >
> >"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:53:52 GMT, Default User
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >frohe wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so
> >fickle.
> >> >> Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no
> >matter
> >> >> how polite ya is.
> >> >
> <snip>
>
> >Hey, the guy made a mistake and posted to the wrong ng. He came back and
> >apologized. It's over.Or maybe it's not over 'til Kevin says it's over.
>
> I didn't say anything about or to the guy who posted the binary. I was
> responding to frohe's comments (see above), and to the reasonable,
> logical follow-up the comments received.
>
> Try to keep up.
>
Well, it's a grey rainy slow day.
Jack

"Default User" > wrote in message
...
> frohe wrote:
>
> > Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so
fickle.
> > Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for ya, no
matter
> > how polite ya is.
>
> Aren't you doing the same thing? Why is it ok for you to object to what
> I do, but not for me?
>
> Besides, you are missing the point. Posting binaries can cause the
> newsgroup to be dropped by servers. That's not fair to people who use
> those servers to access the group. Of course, the occasional binary
> won't cause that, but if people start to post binaries regularly, that
> could happen. One way things tend to grow is when they see others do
> things and no one objects.
>
> As you point out, this is an unmoderated group. So what? Does that mean
> we allow any behavior without raising objections? Groups where that is
> the norm soon spiral into uselessness.
>
> When I see behavior that I don't like, and that I feel is a violation of
> netiquette, I will object. You can call it netcopping or moderation if
> you like, but I don't care.
>
>

Let me just say this....I posted a pic to this group by accident, as you
know. I posted late at night and came home from work the next day with the
intention of posting an apology firt thing. When I found your reply...a very
polite reply I might add....it somehow just rubbed me the wrong way and I
got all smart ass on ya. I am sorry . I just figgered anyone here who knew
me would know that I posted a binary to the text group by mistake and would
not feel the need to remind me to not do so in the future. I counted you
among those who I thought knew me that well. Looking back, however, I
realize I have not been a contributor to this group as regularly as I used
to be and maybe...just maybe...you aren't all that familiar with me after
all.

I swear man....I didn't mean to **** anybody off...forgive me man...please
forgive me...I don't believe I can live with the shame.:>)

--
Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows
and his 6" boner

Default User wrote:
> frohe wrote:
>
>> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so
>> fickle. Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for
>> ya, no matter how polite ya is.
>
> Aren't you doing the same thing? Why is it ok for you to object to
> what I do, but not for me?

Who said I'm objectin to anythang? You wanna try and control this group, go
ahead. Won't work tho, which is what I already said.

> Besides, you are missing the point. Posting binaries can cause the
> newsgroup to be dropped by servers. That's not fair to people who use
> those servers to access the group. Of course, the occasional binary
> won't cause that, but if people start to post binaries regularly, that
> could happen. One way things tend to grow is when they see others do
> things and no one objects.

No, I understand full well. And my point remains - if ya gotta crappy
server that drops groups, get one that won't.

Uhm, this is UseNet. Fair? lol Take off the rose-colored glasses.

> When I see behavior that I don't like, and that I feel is a violation
> of netiquette, I will object. You can call it netcopping or
> moderation if you like, but I don't care.

I called it like it is. Do I care if ya care? No.
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

"F.G. Whitfurrows" wrote:

> Let me just say this....I posted a pic to this group by accident, as you
> know. I posted late at night and came home from work the next day with the
> intention of posting an apology firt thing. When I found your reply...a very
> polite reply I might add....it somehow just rubbed me the wrong way and I
> got all smart ass on ya. I am sorry .

Sure, I understand completely. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the
discussion moved on past your particular minor faux pas into the realm
of netcopping, pros and cons.

> I just figgered anyone here who knew
> me would know that I posted a binary to the text group by mistake and would
> not feel the need to remind me to not do so in the future. I counted you
> among those who I thought knew me that well. Looking back, however, I
> realize I have not been a contributor to this group as regularly as I used
> to be and maybe...just maybe...you aren't all that familiar with me after
> all.

It's one of those things where I recognize your name and that you post
with some frequency. However, I try to be as even-handed as possible.
Messages like the one I posted are not just for you but for others who
may see the image and think that is the common practice here. That way
they know that it is not.

> I swear man....I didn't mean to **** anybody off...forgive me man...please
> forgive me...I don't believe I can live with the shame.:>)

At no time have I been angry or upset with you.




Brian Rodenborn

frohe wrote:
>
> Default User wrote:
> > frohe wrote:
> >
> >> Then get rid of that crappy news service and get one that ain't so
> >> fickle. Tryin to moderate an unmoderated group ain't gonna work for
> >> ya, no matter how polite ya is.
> >
> > Aren't you doing the same thing? Why is it ok for you to object to
> > what I do, but not for me?
>
> Who said I'm objectin to anythang? You wanna try and control this group, go
> ahead. Won't work tho, which is what I already said.

Actually, it's been my experience that it does work. Otherwise, I'd be
pretty foolish to do it. I've been a participant in a number of groups
and I know that peer pressure on elements of netiquette does tend to
work on most reasonable people. Unreasonable people are going to be
unreasonable, because that's what they do. Those you killfile and move
on past.

> I called it like it is. Do I care if ya care? No.

Fair enough. I've stated before that this is one newsgroup where I want
to have as calm an experience as possible. I have other groups for
contentious debate. As such, I'll post polite requests when I see the
need. I will understand that you think it is pointless and not bother
trying to convince you otherwise.


Brian Rodenborn