Barbecue (alt.food.barbecue) Discuss barbecue and grilling--southern style "low and slow" smoking of ribs, shoulders and briskets, as well as direct heat grilling of everything from burgers to salmon to vegetables.

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Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
can. Budweiser, I think.

I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.

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Stan (the Man) wrote:

> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
> can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>
> --
> Stan
>


It's their new "flavored" lump. Kinda like what Jack Daniels is doing
with their wood chips.

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:22:39 -0500, webkatz >
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>Stan (the Man) wrote:
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>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
>> can. Budweiser, I think.
>>
>> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>
>> --
>> Stan
>>

>
>It's their new "flavored" lump. Kinda like what Jack Daniels is doing
>with their wood chips.
>

This is a part of the blessing of the charcoal ceremony. The vessel
holding the sacred liquid is a good omen.

:-)

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:22:39 -0500, webkatz >
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>Stan (the Man) wrote:
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>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
>> can. Budweiser, I think.
>>
>> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>
>> --
>> Stan
>>

>
>It's their new "flavored" lump. Kinda like what Jack Daniels is doing
>with their wood chips.
>

This is a part of the blessing of the charcoal ceremony. The vessel
holding the sacred liquid is a good omen.

:-)

Jack
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On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:

> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
> can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>
> --
> Stan


You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

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On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:

> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
> can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>
> --
> Stan


You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

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M&M wrote:

> On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:
>
>
>>Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>>yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
>>can. Budweiser, I think.
>>
>>I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>
>>--
>>Stan

>
>
> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.


Yeah, I know. My neighbor is a caterer and buys at a restaurant supply
that only sells to the trade. In return, I don't let my Lab crap in his
azaleas.

--
Stan

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"Stan (the Man)" > wrote in message et>...
> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
> can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.




It means that any BBQ that starts out with a can of beer has to be ok.

I am in shape. Round is a shape
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"Stan (the Man)" > wrote in message et>...
> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
> can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.




It means that any BBQ that starts out with a can of beer has to be ok.

I am in shape. Round is a shape
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Stan (the Man) wrote:
> M&M wrote:
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>> On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>>> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed
>>> beer can. Budweiser, I think.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stan

>>
>>
>>
>> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
>> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

>



I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump

Happy Q'en,
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bbq wrote:

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>
> Stan (the Man) wrote:
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>> M&M wrote:
>>
>>> On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>>>> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed
>>>> beer can. Budweiser, I think.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
>>> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

>>
>>

>
>
> I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump
>


$10/20# hereabouts. I can't say I care all that much for it.

Matthew

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bbq wrote:

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> Stan (the Man) wrote:
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>> M&M wrote:
>>
>>> On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>>>> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed
>>>> beer can. Budweiser, I think.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
>>> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

>>
>>

>
>
> I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump
>


$10/20# hereabouts. I can't say I care all that much for it.

Matthew

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"M&M" > wrote in message
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> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.
>


I get the BGE chacoal at the local Barbecues Galore, 20 lbs for 12 bucks. I
have heard it is made at the same factory, so if I could find a 40 lb bag
for 12 bucks, I'd hit it hard.

I like the BGE lump, it is consistently sized, nothing too big and not too
much dust and crap. Some brands of lump is logs 'n dust.

See ya!

-Banjo

P.S: I am in Houston, so if anyone knows where they get decent lump
cheaper, I'm all ears!


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"M&M" > wrote in message
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> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.
>


I get the BGE chacoal at the local Barbecues Galore, 20 lbs for 12 bucks. I
have heard it is made at the same factory, so if I could find a 40 lb bag
for 12 bucks, I'd hit it hard.

I like the BGE lump, it is consistently sized, nothing too big and not too
much dust and crap. Some brands of lump is logs 'n dust.

See ya!

-Banjo

P.S: I am in Houston, so if anyone knows where they get decent lump
cheaper, I'm all ears!


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Stan (the Man) wrote:
> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed
> beer can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.



It's made in Florida. Just a hundred miles north of me. It's freakin' hot
here in the summertime. It *is* inexcusable though. Maybe you should ask
for a refund?

Sheeit, you're paying almost half what I pay, see if there's any beer left
in the can.


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Stan (the Man) wrote:
> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
> yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed
> beer can. Budweiser, I think.
>
> I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.



It's made in Florida. Just a hundred miles north of me. It's freakin' hot
here in the summertime. It *is* inexcusable though. Maybe you should ask
for a refund?

Sheeit, you're paying almost half what I pay, see if there's any beer left
in the can.


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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:05:37 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> wrote:

>M&M wrote:
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>> On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>>>yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
>>>can. Budweiser, I think.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Stan

>>
>>
>> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
>> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

>
>Yeah, I know. My neighbor is a caterer and buys at a restaurant supply
>that only sells to the trade. In return, I don't let my Lab crap in his
>azaleas.


I just scored some at $6.49 for 9 kilo bags [I bought 10 bags which
is all they had]. They are normally $13.29 each at my local Canadian
Tire box store.

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:05:37 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
> wrote:

>M&M wrote:
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>> On 2-Aug-2004, "Stan (the Man)" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7). Poured out a chimneyful
>>>yesterday and found, in addition to the lump, a burned and crushed beer
>>>can. Budweiser, I think.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what this means, but I'll bet it's something real good.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Stan

>>
>>
>> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
>> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.

>
>Yeah, I know. My neighbor is a caterer and buys at a restaurant supply
>that only sells to the trade. In return, I don't let my Lab crap in his
>azaleas.


I just scored some at $6.49 for 9 kilo bags [I bought 10 bags which
is all they had]. They are normally $13.29 each at my local Canadian
Tire box store.

Harry
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> >>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7).

> >> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
> >> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.


> I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump


I'm really gonna make yall feel bad. My wife and I were Yard-sale
hopping back in April. We came across a really good sale, where a
couple had retired and were moving to Fla. They were selling off most
of everything so they would not have to move it. We found a Gas Grill,
new shape with an extra tank and tools, for $10. When we moved it,
there sitting behind it was a 40# bag of Royal Oak, in brown bag with
For Foodservice Use, unopened.


He sold it to me for $1....

....and no, he didn't have anymore.

As for the Gas grill, it's used for drying and as a rotisserie...can
hold a 20# turkey with ease...
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> >>> Got a 40-lb bag of Royal Oak lump ($7).

> >> You got a steal on that Royal Oak lump Stan. It's $12 and change at
> >> the factory kiln in Ocala, FL for a 40# bag.


> I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump


I'm really gonna make yall feel bad. My wife and I were Yard-sale
hopping back in April. We came across a really good sale, where a
couple had retired and were moving to Fla. They were selling off most
of everything so they would not have to move it. We found a Gas Grill,
new shape with an extra tank and tools, for $10. When we moved it,
there sitting behind it was a 40# bag of Royal Oak, in brown bag with
For Foodservice Use, unopened.


He sold it to me for $1....

....and no, he didn't have anymore.

As for the Gas grill, it's used for drying and as a rotisserie...can
hold a 20# turkey with ease...


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bbq wrote:
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> I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump
>


bbq,

Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
than that in the Twin Cities.






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bbq wrote:
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> I'll say that's a steal. I pay $18 for a 20# bag of Royal Oak lump
>


bbq,

Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
than that in the Twin Cities.






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Anon wrote:

> Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
> than that in the Twin Cities.


That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
to move the SF Bay Area.

Lazarri's hardwood lump is $12/40lbs c&c incl tax.

Dana
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Anon wrote:

> Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
> than that in the Twin Cities.


That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
to move the SF Bay Area.

Lazarri's hardwood lump is $12/40lbs c&c incl tax.

Dana
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Dana Myers wrote:
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> Anon wrote:
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> > Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
> > than that in the Twin Cities.

>
> That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
> to move the SF Bay Area.
>
> Lazarri's hardwood lump is $12/40lbs c&c incl tax.



Somehow, I doubt that would be a net savings. You'd have to buy a LOT of
charcoal just to break even on the cost of moving, let alone the cost of
living difference.




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Dana Myers wrote:
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> Anon wrote:
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> > Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
> > than that in the Twin Cities.

>
> That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
> to move the SF Bay Area.
>
> Lazarri's hardwood lump is $12/40lbs c&c incl tax.



Somehow, I doubt that would be a net savings. You'd have to buy a LOT of
charcoal just to break even on the cost of moving, let alone the cost of
living difference.




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> Dana Myers wrote:
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>>Anon wrote:
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>>
>>>Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
>>>than that in the Twin Cities.

>>
>>That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
>>to move the SF Bay Area.
>>
>>Lazarri's hardwood lump is $12/40lbs c&c incl tax.


> Somehow, I doubt that would be a net savings. You'd have to buy a LOT of
> charcoal just to break even on the cost of moving, let alone the cost of
> living difference.


Sure. You couldn't break even on lump alone.

Dana



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> Dana Myers wrote:
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>>Anon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Who's charging you $18 for a 20# bag. I'm pretty sure you can do better
>>>than that in the Twin Cities.

>>
>>That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
>>to move the SF Bay Area.
>>
>>Lazarri's hardwood lump is $12/40lbs c&c incl tax.


> Somehow, I doubt that would be a net savings. You'd have to buy a LOT of
> charcoal just to break even on the cost of moving, let alone the cost of
> living difference.


Sure. You couldn't break even on lump alone.

Dana



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In article > , Dana Myers
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> That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
> to move the SF Bay Area.


Yes, I would like a reason to step even one foot in the Bay Area. Is it
the ridiculous housing prices? Or the high crime and unemployment? The
muggy weather? The *** bars? Come on. Make me laugh.
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In article > , Dana Myers
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> That's almost a good reason, if anyone actually needed another one,
> to move the SF Bay Area.


Yes, I would like a reason to step even one foot in the Bay Area. Is it
the ridiculous housing prices? Or the high crime and unemployment? The
muggy weather? The *** bars? Come on. Make me laugh.


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> Yes, I would like a reason to step even one foot in the Bay Area. Is it
> the ridiculous housing prices?


You must be referring to the ridiculous appreciation in
housing prices which, so far, hasn't stopped. In other
words, an opportunity to make money on the place in which
you live. True, you probably aren't going to buy in
San Francisco, which is why I said the Bay Area. There's
a lot going on in the North Bay (where I live).

> Or the high crime and unemployment?


That's quite localized. Employment continues to
recover quite well, and that's not just burger-flipping
jobs. Crime, well, sure, there are neighborhoods to avoid.

> The muggy weather?


Surely you jest. Muggy? It's 70F and 35% RH outside
right now. That's hardly muggy.

> The *** bars?


I suppose you can find those in The City if you're
into that. But there's a lot more to the Bay Area than
San Francisco.

> Come on. Make me laugh.


Well, I dunno. What's funny to you? I'm not sure you
know the Bay Area very well. Wine country, rugged beaches,
redwood forests, ag fields, mountain vistas, primitive
camping, power-boating, bicycling, the arts, stripper
clubs. Q, too.

;-)

Dana
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>> The *** bars?

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>I suppose you can find those in The City if you're
>into that. But there's a lot more to the Bay Area than
>San Francisco.


You misspelled "PLONK."

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>> The *** bars?

>
>I suppose you can find those in The City if you're
>into that. But there's a lot more to the Bay Area than
>San Francisco.


You misspelled "PLONK."

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Dana Myers wrote:

> You must be referring to the ridiculous appreciation in
> housing prices which, so far, hasn't stopped. In other
> words, an opportunity to make money on the place in which
> you live.


The key being, "so far". See the Houston-area housing bubble of some
years back. But I'm just funning you, the Bay area is very nice.



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> Dana Myers wrote:
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>
>>You must be referring to the ridiculous appreciation in
>>housing prices which, so far, hasn't stopped. In other
>>words, an opportunity to make money on the place in which
>>you live.

>
>
> The key being, "so far". See the Houston-area housing bubble of some
> years back. But I'm just funning you, the Bay area is very nice.


There's the Houston bubble, and the Southern California bubble of
1990, and...

I've expected a cooling-off for a couple of years. I suspect
it will likely not materialize in the "value priced" segment
under $400k, though.... "value" under 400k for 2br/1.5ba that's
just goofy.

At least the lump is cheap :-)

Cheers,
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> Dana Myers wrote:
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>>You must be referring to the ridiculous appreciation in
>>housing prices which, so far, hasn't stopped. In other
>>words, an opportunity to make money on the place in which
>>you live.

>
>
> The key being, "so far". See the Houston-area housing bubble of some
> years back. But I'm just funning you, the Bay area is very nice.


There's the Houston bubble, and the Southern California bubble of
1990, and...

I've expected a cooling-off for a couple of years. I suspect
it will likely not materialize in the "value priced" segment
under $400k, though.... "value" under 400k for 2br/1.5ba that's
just goofy.

At least the lump is cheap :-)

Cheers,
Dana
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Dana Myers > wrote in
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> Default User wrote:
>> Dana Myers wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You must be referring to the ridiculous appreciation in
>>>housing prices which, so far, hasn't stopped. In other
>>>words, an opportunity to make money on the place in which
>>>you live.

>>
>>
>> The key being, "so far". See the Houston-area housing bubble of some
>> years back. But I'm just funning you, the Bay area is very nice.

>
> There's the Houston bubble, and the Southern California bubble of
> 1990, and...
>
> I've expected a cooling-off for a couple of years. I suspect
> it will likely not materialize in the "value priced" segment
> under $400k, though.... "value" under 400k for 2br/1.5ba that's
> just goofy.
>
> At least the lump is cheap :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Dana


Well, in Houston, and Southern California, there are fewer geographic
boundaries to suburb expansion, than in the Bay Area. In San Francisco's
Bay Area, the options seem to be into the Central Valley, and some of the
world's best ag land. Freeway and rail projects often take decades to
catch up, so the choice is sometimes a three hour plus commute commitment.

Of course, in the Bay Area, the Silicon Valley crunch is a lot less taxing
than it was in 1999. I could count on 90 minutes for 38 miles. Often
longer in the evening. Nobody would schedule any critical face-to-face
meetings before 10 am, because somebody would most likely be stuck
somewhere.

That being said, I had the opportunity to repurchase the house I sold (June
1989) in June 1997, for only $10k offered price more than I'd sold it for.
Bubbles happen here, too.

Patriarch
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patriarch < wrote:

> Well, in Houston, and Southern California, there are fewer geographic
> boundaries to suburb expansion, than in the Bay Area. In San Francisco's
> Bay Area, the options seem to be into the Central Valley, and some of the
> world's best ag land. Freeway and rail projects often take decades to
> catch up, so the choice is sometimes a three hour plus commute commitment.


The expansion is south into Morgan Hill (pretty mature now), east into
Tracy (even Modesto!), which is pretty mature but continues, and northeast
into Solano County, which had seemed pretty mature but has seen renewed
growth over the last few years. I'm down in the Cordelia part of Solano,
and we voted in a slow-growth initiative a while back which basically
preserves existing ag and greenbelt by limiting new subdividing to
incorporated areas. New construction today is basically right up to
the city limits in Fairfield, and there's not much land left there.

> Of course, in the Bay Area, the Silicon Valley crunch is a lot less taxing
> than it was in 1999. I could count on 90 minutes for 38 miles. Often
> longer in the evening. Nobody would schedule any critical face-to-face
> meetings before 10 am, because somebody would most likely be stuck
> somewhere.


Those were the days... not. I still habitually avoid the Sunol Grade
during commute time, but it's a lot better these days.

> That being said, I had the opportunity to repurchase the house I sold (June
> 1989) in June 1997, for only $10k offered price more than I'd sold it for.
> Bubbles happen here, too.


Sure. The South Bay seems to be a little more prone to popping once
in a while.

> Patriarch
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Whatcha cooked so far?

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>> I would like a reason to step even one foot in the Bay Area. Is it
the ridiculous housing prices? Or the high crime and unemployment? The
muggy weather? The *** bars? Come on. Make me laugh.

How about the Ghiaradelli chocolate factory?
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>> I would like a reason to step even one foot in the Bay Area. Is it
the ridiculous housing prices? Or the high crime and unemployment? The
muggy weather? The *** bars? Come on. Make me laugh.

How about the Ghiaradelli chocolate factory?


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