This goes back to the old Thead bbq list. Posted in 1996, but still a good
read.


From: (Martha McLemore)



For those of you who like barbecue, I offer one of my late father's
concoctions for basting, which I learned today is also called the mop
(thanks, Richard Thead).



M. L. McLemore's Lone Star Baste


(as remembered by his daughter, Martha)



2 6-packs of Lone Star beer, one on ice, the other one doesn't matter

1 quart of cheap vinegar (better to scrimp on the vinegar than on the
beer)

1 small bottle Tabasco, no substitutes

1 large head of garlic, peeled and finely minced

1 4-ounce can black pepper

1 small jar French's yellow mustard (baby crap, he called it, but he ate
it on almost everything - go figure!)

6 dried jalapeno peppers, crushed, seeds and all (firecrackers, he called
them)

1 pound of butter, melted (none of that greasy margarine,

for crissake!)

1 more 6-pack of Lone Star, on ice

1 50 pound bag of ice

1 side of beef or one helluva big pig

2 young'uns with fly swatters, on rotating shifts (there were 6 of us at
the time)

1 wheel of cheddar, the kind that smells like work socks at the end of the
day

2 boxes of crackers

1 case of Pik coils

2 lawn chairs, one for his butt, one for his feet

1 Stetson; his cookin' hat, not the one he wore to the rodeo

1 pair of shades, made out of welder's glass

2 cartons Lucky Strikes or Camels (filters?! Real men don't smoke
filtered butts, what's the matter with you, FOOL?!)

1 Zippo lighter, circa 1943, extra flints and fluid

1 more 6-pack of Lone Star, on ice

1 loud, wind-up alarm clock, the one he called "The Voice of God"

2 50-pound bags of mesquite or pecan chips, soaked in water overnight in
the dogs' washtub, which was actually one of those galvanized cattle
troughs -

nothing was too good for his 'dawgs'. (Jealous of his dogs, you say?
Damn right, I was! He never hit his dogs and they didn't have to swat
flies for him!)

1 6-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon, ice optional (Never give the good stuff to
the neighbors who wandered over, but always have something to give them! M.
L.'s personal Code of the West.)



Empty one 6-pack of Lone Star into a 3 gallon stock pot. Add the vinegar,
mustard, Tabasco, butter, peppers, garlic and a fifth of water. Bring to a
high, rollin' boil to melt the butter; keep hot on the cool end of the
grill.



Fire up the cooker when you get home on Friday night. Burn a couple or
three mesquite logs (his preference) to get a foot-thick bed of cherry-red
coals. Close the grill to keep in the heat. Add sufficient wet chips to
produce enough smoke that the new neighbors call the fire department, but
not so much that you put out the fire. (Long-time neighbors just bring in
the wash, close their windows and wait him out.)



When the smoke dies down so you can get near the grill, unearth the beast of
honor from the washtub, rub it dry, sprinkle with the lightest coat of salt
and brown sugar, lay the carcass on the grill. Quick, close the lid and
prepare for the rest of the event.



Ice down the rest of the beer in the washtub. (Hell, yes, in the same
water! Just add more ice; eventually the water won't be pink anymore.
Besides, you don't drink the water, now, do you?)



Set up "camp," as it were. Send the kids after whatever you forgot, like
the Coleman lantern, your long-sleeved shirt and the tv-trays. And the
pie-screen, to keep the bugs off the cheese. Those tiny sweet pickles and
another jar of mustard. And that little portable transistor radio, don't
forget the extra batteries.



Every half-hour or so, check the coals and the beast. Add chips to the one
and baste the other. In the beginning, it's easy to keep which is which
straight, but by Saturday afternoon, when this repast is *supposed* to be
ready, the longs hours of no sleep and Lone Star have taken their toll. It
was not uncommon to find wood chips charred to the carcass and the favorite
basting brush singed beyond recognition. (They loved my father down at the
paint store; sold him more 3" bristle brushes than any other two stores'
customers combined.)



After around 3 am, those of us not on bug patrol were no longer awakened by
the "Voice of God", M. L. having tossed it across the highway into the oil
field. I think it gave him no end of joy to imagine that clock coming to
rest next to some aged rattlesnake, vibrating the old viper out of its last
6 buttons, at least.



In the morning, the rest of us would enjoy a good breakfast then wander out
to see how the sacrifice was coming along. Daddy's breakfast empties were
neatly placed back into the wooden case, courtesy the second shift bug
patrol, or my mother. I guess she didn't object to his drinking in public,
as long as he didn't appear to be a slob about it.



He hardly ever used the full case of Pik coils. After midnight or so, no
self-respecting mosquito or fly came with 100 yards of M. L. or the grill.
If the beer didn't do the trick, there was always that marvelous baste
simmering on the back of the grill.



Although the bugs gave Daddy's barbecue a wide berth, he had to quietly let
only a few trusted friends know when he was planning to cook because his was
the absolute best barbecue for miles and miles around. Even his enemies
acknowledged his expertise: "That McLemore is one sorry s.o.b., but
god-almighty, can that man cook!"



Around noon, the friends who were invited and the dogs' pals began to
gather. You know how it is said that dogs and their owners often resemble
one another after a few years of cohabitation? Well, you could certainly
tell which of the 20 or so mutts criss-crossing our yard on barbecue day
belonged to Daddy. They were the ones lapping up spilled Lone Star, wolfing
down stinky cheddar loaded with mustard, and the only ones all the other
dogs refused to sniff.



There's a recipe somewhere in all of this, but danged if I remember where I
put it.

(c) 1996 Martha C. McLemore



Martha McLemore

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> This goes back to the old Thead bbq list. Posted in 1996, but still a good
> read.
>
>
> From: (Martha McLemore)

>
> 2 6-packs of Lone Star beer,
> 1 quart of cheap vinegar (better to scrimp on the vinegar than on the
> beer)
>
> 1 6-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon, ice optional (Never give the good stuff to
> the neighbors who wandered over, but always have something to give them! M.
> L.'s personal Code of the West.)

Kind of amusing- Pabst vs. Lone Star beer argument- sort of like arguing
Open Pit BBQ Sauce vs. Kraft or McDonald's vs. Burger King hamburgers.
Especially considering that Pabst and Lone Star are both brands of Pabst
and both are brewed by Miller (since Pabst has closed all it's breweries).

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> This goes back to the old Thead bbq list. Posted in 1996, but still a good
> read.
>
>
> From: (Martha McLemore)

>
> 2 6-packs of Lone Star beer,
> 1 quart of cheap vinegar (better to scrimp on the vinegar than on the
> beer)
>
> 1 6-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon, ice optional (Never give the good stuff to
> the neighbors who wandered over, but always have something to give them! M.
> L.'s personal Code of the West.)

Kind of amusing- Pabst vs. Lone Star beer argument- sort of like arguing
Open Pit BBQ Sauce vs. Kraft or McDonald's vs. Burger King hamburgers.
Especially considering that Pabst and Lone Star are both brands of Pabst
and both are brewed by Miller (since Pabst has closed all it's breweries).

> wrote in message
> Kind of amusing- Pabst vs. Lone Star beer argument- sort of like arguing
> Open Pit BBQ Sauce vs. Kraft or McDonald's vs. Burger King hamburgers.
> Especially considering that Pabst and Lone Star are both brands of Pabst
> and both are brewed by Miller (since Pabst has closed all it's
breweries).
>

The local breweries had their devotees though. Even though many of them
made nasty pee water.

Brought up in Philadelphia, I recall my father drinking Schmidt's, but my
uncles had either Ortliebs, Esslinger or otherwise equally nasty brew. They
would during the other's beer when visiting, but never changed brands
themselves. Now I live in New England, home to Narragansset beer.

> wrote in message
> Kind of amusing- Pabst vs. Lone Star beer argument- sort of like arguing
> Open Pit BBQ Sauce vs. Kraft or McDonald's vs. Burger King hamburgers.
> Especially considering that Pabst and Lone Star are both brands of Pabst
> and both are brewed by Miller (since Pabst has closed all it's
breweries).
>

The local breweries had their devotees though. Even though many of them
made nasty pee water.

Brought up in Philadelphia, I recall my father drinking Schmidt's, but my
uncles had either Ortliebs, Esslinger or otherwise equally nasty brew. They
would during the other's beer when visiting, but never changed brands
themselves. Now I live in New England, home to Narragansset beer.

> wrote in message
> Kind of amusing- Pabst vs. Lone Star beer argument- sort of like arguing
> Open Pit BBQ Sauce vs. Kraft or McDonald's vs. Burger King hamburgers.
> Especially considering that Pabst and Lone Star are both brands of Pabst
> and both are brewed by Miller (since Pabst has closed all it's
breweries).
>

The local breweries had their devotees though. Even though many of them
made nasty pee water.

Brought up in Philadelphia, I recall my father drinking Schmidt's, but my
uncles had either Ortliebs, Esslinger or otherwise equally nasty brew. They
would during the other's beer when visiting, but never changed brands
themselves. Now I live in New England, home to Narragansset beer.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> The local breweries had their devotees though.

Oh, yeah, and I was one of them ("was" only because most of them are
gone- many now in the hands of Pabst).

> Even though many of them
> made nasty pee water.

Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
out, and in many cases, in the pre-micro days, the only US source of
ales, porters and other non-light lager type of beers.

>
> Brought up in Philadelphia, I recall my father drinking Schmidt's, but my
> uncles had either Ortliebs, Esslinger or otherwise equally nasty brew.

Ortlieb was a nice beer and they also brewed an a couple interesting
porters and ales (McSorley's for a while there), as did Schmidt's (20th
Century Ale).

> Now I live in New England, home to Narragansset beer.

Is there still a Narragansett? Haven't seen it in years, even tho' I'm
occassionally in Vermont and NH. Pabst (which is really the same
corporation which owned the old Falstaff-General brewing corporation)
owns the label but they don't list it on their website at all.

http://www.pabst.com/ourbeer.htm

Now Cranston (home of Narragansett) was a GREAT old brewery, which
brewed some of America's great beers- Ballantine XXX Ale, IPA and
Brewers Gold Ale, Croft Ale, Pickwick Ale, Narragansett Porter, Krueger
Old Surrey Porter, even Heffenreffer Malt Liquor...ah.... those were
nice beers back in the day....

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> The local breweries had their devotees though.

Oh, yeah, and I was one of them ("was" only because most of them are
gone- many now in the hands of Pabst).

> Even though many of them
> made nasty pee water.

Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
out, and in many cases, in the pre-micro days, the only US source of
ales, porters and other non-light lager type of beers.

>
> Brought up in Philadelphia, I recall my father drinking Schmidt's, but my
> uncles had either Ortliebs, Esslinger or otherwise equally nasty brew.

Ortlieb was a nice beer and they also brewed an a couple interesting
porters and ales (McSorley's for a while there), as did Schmidt's (20th
Century Ale).

> Now I live in New England, home to Narragansset beer.

Is there still a Narragansett? Haven't seen it in years, even tho' I'm
occassionally in Vermont and NH. Pabst (which is really the same
corporation which owned the old Falstaff-General brewing corporation)
owns the label but they don't list it on their website at all.

http://www.pabst.com/ourbeer.htm

Now Cranston (home of Narragansett) was a GREAT old brewery, which
brewed some of America's great beers- Ballantine XXX Ale, IPA and
Brewers Gold Ale, Croft Ale, Pickwick Ale, Narragansett Porter, Krueger
Old Surrey Porter, even Heffenreffer Malt Liquor...ah.... those were
nice beers back in the day....

> wrote in message
. net...
> Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
> out.....
>

Ah, a beer snob!!!

I remember someone buying Pabst back when I was still too young to drink.
It was so nasty! It was undrinkable, as is Lone Star. Horrible stuff. I
didn't know many beers then (how many 17-year olds do?), but I knew for
certain, Pabst was not going to be my beer of choice.

You can't even compare those two to the "big three". You might as well
tout the virtues of Canadian Ace. (It came in a 64-ounce bottle!) Or Iron
City. Or Shaeffer.

See ya!

-Banjo

Banjo wrote:

> > wrote in message
> . net...
>
>>Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
>>out.....
>>
>
>
> Ah, a beer snob!!!

Wait a second- I'm called a "snob" because I care about quality, because
I have distain for mass market products that appeal to the lowest common
dinominator... on a barbecue newsgroup?

OK...

Look, until the microbrewery boom came along, US beer was marked by a
constant move towards the blandest, lightest products. (And, by total
sales, the bland beers are even MORE dominate today- 3 of the 4 biggest
sellers are "light" beer.) The US beer market was dominated by the
large mid-Western brewers (of which Pabst was one, of course- for many
years the top 3 brewers in the US were A-B, Pabst and Schlitz) and the
small, regional brands all eventually "reformulated" to be as bland as
possible (ironically, that only helped doom them). Most people would
have a hard time distinguishing between any US light lager, the
differences were so small.
>
> I remember someone buying Pabst back when I was still too young to drink.
> It was so nasty! It was undrinkable, as is Lone Star. Horrible stuff. I
> didn't know many beers then (how many 17-year olds do?), but I knew for
> certain, Pabst was not going to be my beer of choice.

The idea that some of the national or regional brands were "undrinkable"
is amazing. Most were equally bland as the national brands, but local
prejudice and mass market advertising often dominated opinions more than
taste (as dozens of blind taste tests proved over and over).

So, Lone Star once sold 16% of the beer in Texas by selling "horrible
stuff"? Granted, it wasn't the largest seller in Texas (that was Pearl
with 22% of sales) but it sure beat A-B (5%) and Coors (4%) (1960's).

And Pabst, once the largest brewer in the country, sold 44% of the beer
in Wisconsin by selling "nasty" beer, while A-B had 10% of the market
and Miller 6% (1977)?

>
> You can't even compare those two to the "big three".

You do realize that Miller (one of the big 3) brews Pabst and Lone Star,
don't you?

You might as well
> tout the virtues of Canadian Ace. (It came in a 64-ounce bottle!)

Well, Bud comes in 16 gallon kegs- how does the size of the package
related to quality. (Altho', granted Canadian Ace was a "price" beer,
made cheap to sell cheap <g>.)

> Or Iron City.

> Or Shaeffer.

Both were mildly interesting light lagers (with a touch more flavor that
the national brands) with strong regional appeal and outsold A-B, Miller
and Coors in their home markets for many years. I'd order either (back
in the day) before I'd buy a Bud.

>
> See ya!

Not likely.

Banjo wrote:

> > wrote in message
> . net...
>
>>Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
>>out.....
>>
>
>
> Ah, a beer snob!!!

Wait a second- I'm called a "snob" because I care about quality, because
I have distain for mass market products that appeal to the lowest common
dinominator... on a barbecue newsgroup?

OK...

Look, until the microbrewery boom came along, US beer was marked by a
constant move towards the blandest, lightest products. (And, by total
sales, the bland beers are even MORE dominate today- 3 of the 4 biggest
sellers are "light" beer.) The US beer market was dominated by the
large mid-Western brewers (of which Pabst was one, of course- for many
years the top 3 brewers in the US were A-B, Pabst and Schlitz) and the
small, regional brands all eventually "reformulated" to be as bland as
possible (ironically, that only helped doom them). Most people would
have a hard time distinguishing between any US light lager, the
differences were so small.
>
> I remember someone buying Pabst back when I was still too young to drink.
> It was so nasty! It was undrinkable, as is Lone Star. Horrible stuff. I
> didn't know many beers then (how many 17-year olds do?), but I knew for
> certain, Pabst was not going to be my beer of choice.

The idea that some of the national or regional brands were "undrinkable"
is amazing. Most were equally bland as the national brands, but local
prejudice and mass market advertising often dominated opinions more than
taste (as dozens of blind taste tests proved over and over).

So, Lone Star once sold 16% of the beer in Texas by selling "horrible
stuff"? Granted, it wasn't the largest seller in Texas (that was Pearl
with 22% of sales) but it sure beat A-B (5%) and Coors (4%) (1960's).

And Pabst, once the largest brewer in the country, sold 44% of the beer
in Wisconsin by selling "nasty" beer, while A-B had 10% of the market
and Miller 6% (1977)?

>
> You can't even compare those two to the "big three".

You do realize that Miller (one of the big 3) brews Pabst and Lone Star,
don't you?

You might as well
> tout the virtues of Canadian Ace. (It came in a 64-ounce bottle!)

Well, Bud comes in 16 gallon kegs- how does the size of the package
related to quality. (Altho', granted Canadian Ace was a "price" beer,
made cheap to sell cheap <g>.)

> Or Iron City.

> Or Shaeffer.

Both were mildly interesting light lagers (with a touch more flavor that
the national brands) with strong regional appeal and outsold A-B, Miller
and Coors in their home markets for many years. I'd order either (back
in the day) before I'd buy a Bud.

>
> See ya!

Not likely.

Banjo wrote:

> > wrote in message
> . net...
>
>>Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
>>out.....
>>
>
>
> Ah, a beer snob!!!

Wait a second- I'm called a "snob" because I care about quality, because
I have distain for mass market products that appeal to the lowest common
dinominator... on a barbecue newsgroup?

OK...

Look, until the microbrewery boom came along, US beer was marked by a
constant move towards the blandest, lightest products. (And, by total
sales, the bland beers are even MORE dominate today- 3 of the 4 biggest
sellers are "light" beer.) The US beer market was dominated by the
large mid-Western brewers (of which Pabst was one, of course- for many
years the top 3 brewers in the US were A-B, Pabst and Schlitz) and the
small, regional brands all eventually "reformulated" to be as bland as
possible (ironically, that only helped doom them). Most people would
have a hard time distinguishing between any US light lager, the
differences were so small.
>
> I remember someone buying Pabst back when I was still too young to drink.
> It was so nasty! It was undrinkable, as is Lone Star. Horrible stuff. I
> didn't know many beers then (how many 17-year olds do?), but I knew for
> certain, Pabst was not going to be my beer of choice.

The idea that some of the national or regional brands were "undrinkable"
is amazing. Most were equally bland as the national brands, but local
prejudice and mass market advertising often dominated opinions more than
taste (as dozens of blind taste tests proved over and over).

So, Lone Star once sold 16% of the beer in Texas by selling "horrible
stuff"? Granted, it wasn't the largest seller in Texas (that was Pearl
with 22% of sales) but it sure beat A-B (5%) and Coors (4%) (1960's).

And Pabst, once the largest brewer in the country, sold 44% of the beer
in Wisconsin by selling "nasty" beer, while A-B had 10% of the market
and Miller 6% (1977)?

>
> You can't even compare those two to the "big three".

You do realize that Miller (one of the big 3) brews Pabst and Lone Star,
don't you?

You might as well
> tout the virtues of Canadian Ace. (It came in a 64-ounce bottle!)

Well, Bud comes in 16 gallon kegs- how does the size of the package
related to quality. (Altho', granted Canadian Ace was a "price" beer,
made cheap to sell cheap <g>.)

> Or Iron City.

> Or Shaeffer.

Both were mildly interesting light lagers (with a touch more flavor that
the national brands) with strong regional appeal and outsold A-B, Miller
and Coors in their home markets for many years. I'd order either (back
in the day) before I'd buy a Bud.

>
> See ya!

Not likely.

Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured ribbing. No
offense intended.

It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup! <bwg>

I do actually appreciate some finer imports or micros (although my taste
leans to the lighter brews). But it is hard to slam a 12-pack of St.
Arnold's Christmas Ale!

So I tend to go with the mass-market stuff during long barbecues and
football (yay!) season.

See ya!

-Banjo

P.S: I can't believe someone else actually remembers Canadian Ace! I
haven't met anyone in 25 years that knows what the hack that stuff is.


> wrote in message
. net...
> Banjo wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
> > . net...
> >
> >>Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
> >>out.....
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ah, a beer snob!!!
>
> Wait a second- I'm called a "snob" because I care about quality, because
> I have distain for mass market products that appeal to the lowest common
> dinominator... on a barbecue newsgroup?
>
> OK...
>
> Look, until the microbrewery boom came along, US beer was marked by a
> constant move towards the blandest, lightest products. (And, by total
> sales, the bland beers are even MORE dominate today- 3 of the 4 biggest
> sellers are "light" beer.) The US beer market was dominated by the
> large mid-Western brewers (of which Pabst was one, of course- for many
> years the top 3 brewers in the US were A-B, Pabst and Schlitz) and the
> small, regional brands all eventually "reformulated" to be as bland as
> possible (ironically, that only helped doom them). Most people would
> have a hard time distinguishing between any US light lager, the
> differences were so small.
> >
> > I remember someone buying Pabst back when I was still too young to
drink.
> > It was so nasty! It was undrinkable, as is Lone Star. Horrible stuff.
I
> > didn't know many beers then (how many 17-year olds do?), but I knew for
> > certain, Pabst was not going to be my beer of choice.
>
> The idea that some of the national or regional brands were "undrinkable"
> is amazing. Most were equally bland as the national brands, but local
> prejudice and mass market advertising often dominated opinions more than
> taste (as dozens of blind taste tests proved over and over).
>
> So, Lone Star once sold 16% of the beer in Texas by selling "horrible
> stuff"? Granted, it wasn't the largest seller in Texas (that was Pearl
> with 22% of sales) but it sure beat A-B (5%) and Coors (4%) (1960's).
>
> And Pabst, once the largest brewer in the country, sold 44% of the beer
> in Wisconsin by selling "nasty" beer, while A-B had 10% of the market
> and Miller 6% (1977)?
>
> >
> > You can't even compare those two to the "big three".
>
> You do realize that Miller (one of the big 3) brews Pabst and Lone Star,
> don't you?
>
> You might as well
> > tout the virtues of Canadian Ace. (It came in a 64-ounce bottle!)
>
> Well, Bud comes in 16 gallon kegs- how does the size of the package
> related to quality. (Altho', granted Canadian Ace was a "price" beer,
> made cheap to sell cheap <g>.)
>
> > Or Iron City.
>
> > Or Shaeffer.
>
> Both were mildly interesting light lagers (with a touch more flavor that
> the national brands) with strong regional appeal and outsold A-B, Miller
> and Coors in their home markets for many years. I'd order either (back
> in the day) before I'd buy a Bud.
>
> >
> > See ya!
>
> Not likely.
>

Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured ribbing. No
offense intended.

It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup! <bwg>

I do actually appreciate some finer imports or micros (although my taste
leans to the lighter brews). But it is hard to slam a 12-pack of St.
Arnold's Christmas Ale!

So I tend to go with the mass-market stuff during long barbecues and
football (yay!) season.

See ya!

-Banjo

P.S: I can't believe someone else actually remembers Canadian Ace! I
haven't met anyone in 25 years that knows what the hack that stuff is.


> wrote in message
. net...
> Banjo wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
> > . net...
> >
> >>Well, no nastier than the stuff Miller, Anheuser-Busch and Coors pumps
> >>out.....
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ah, a beer snob!!!
>
> Wait a second- I'm called a "snob" because I care about quality, because
> I have distain for mass market products that appeal to the lowest common
> dinominator... on a barbecue newsgroup?
>
> OK...
>
> Look, until the microbrewery boom came along, US beer was marked by a
> constant move towards the blandest, lightest products. (And, by total
> sales, the bland beers are even MORE dominate today- 3 of the 4 biggest
> sellers are "light" beer.) The US beer market was dominated by the
> large mid-Western brewers (of which Pabst was one, of course- for many
> years the top 3 brewers in the US were A-B, Pabst and Schlitz) and the
> small, regional brands all eventually "reformulated" to be as bland as
> possible (ironically, that only helped doom them). Most people would
> have a hard time distinguishing between any US light lager, the
> differences were so small.
> >
> > I remember someone buying Pabst back when I was still too young to
drink.
> > It was so nasty! It was undrinkable, as is Lone Star. Horrible stuff.
I
> > didn't know many beers then (how many 17-year olds do?), but I knew for
> > certain, Pabst was not going to be my beer of choice.
>
> The idea that some of the national or regional brands were "undrinkable"
> is amazing. Most were equally bland as the national brands, but local
> prejudice and mass market advertising often dominated opinions more than
> taste (as dozens of blind taste tests proved over and over).
>
> So, Lone Star once sold 16% of the beer in Texas by selling "horrible
> stuff"? Granted, it wasn't the largest seller in Texas (that was Pearl
> with 22% of sales) but it sure beat A-B (5%) and Coors (4%) (1960's).
>
> And Pabst, once the largest brewer in the country, sold 44% of the beer
> in Wisconsin by selling "nasty" beer, while A-B had 10% of the market
> and Miller 6% (1977)?
>
> >
> > You can't even compare those two to the "big three".
>
> You do realize that Miller (one of the big 3) brews Pabst and Lone Star,
> don't you?
>
> You might as well
> > tout the virtues of Canadian Ace. (It came in a 64-ounce bottle!)
>
> Well, Bud comes in 16 gallon kegs- how does the size of the package
> related to quality. (Altho', granted Canadian Ace was a "price" beer,
> made cheap to sell cheap <g>.)
>
> > Or Iron City.
>
> > Or Shaeffer.
>
> Both were mildly interesting light lagers (with a touch more flavor that
> the national brands) with strong regional appeal and outsold A-B, Miller
> and Coors in their home markets for many years. I'd order either (back
> in the day) before I'd buy a Bud.
>
> >
> > See ya!
>
> Not likely.
>

Banjo wrote:
> Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured
> ribbing. No offense intended.
>
> It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup!
> <bwg>
>

Seems Jesskidden doesn't like to be kidded? Suggested new name: 2sirius.
<bg>

--

Banjo wrote:
> Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured
> ribbing. No offense intended.
>
> It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup!
> <bwg>
>

Seems Jesskidden doesn't like to be kidded? Suggested new name: 2sirius.
<bg>

--

Banjo wrote:
> Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured
> ribbing. No offense intended.
>
> It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup!
> <bwg>
>

Seems Jesskidden doesn't like to be kidded? Suggested new name: 2sirius.
<bg>

--

Duwop wrote:

> Banjo wrote:
>
>>Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured
>>ribbing. No offense intended.
>>
>>It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup!
>><bwg>
>>
>
> Seems Jesskidden doesn't like to be kidded? Suggested new name: 2sirius.
> <bg>
>

Yeah, it does read that way, doesn't it? That's what getting up early
to wait for the plumber AND unemployment'll do to you, I guess. My
tongue's firmly in my cheek (playing the "know-it-all" down at the
corner of the bar) but I can't find a little smiley face icon for that.

Haw! I just got it!

I am slow these days...

See ya!

-Banjo

"Duwop" > wrote in message
...
> Banjo wrote:
> > Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured
> > ribbing. No offense intended.
> >
> > It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup!
> > <bwg>
> >
>
> Seems Jesskidden doesn't like to be kidded? Suggested new name: 2sirius.
> <bg>
>
> --
>
>
>

Haw! I just got it!

I am slow these days...

See ya!

-Banjo

"Duwop" > wrote in message
...
> Banjo wrote:
> > Sorry! Didn't mean to hit a nerve - just a little good-natured
> > ribbing. No offense intended.
> >
> > It would be a horrible thing to have a flame war on a BBQ newsgroup!
> > <bwg>
> >
>
> Seems Jesskidden doesn't like to be kidded? Suggested new name: 2sirius.
> <bg>
>
> --
>
>
>

Banjo wrote:

> P.S: I can't believe someone else actually remembers Canadian Ace! I
> haven't met anyone in 25 years that knows what the hack that stuff is.

There was some sort of "beer myth" that Canadian Ace was a brand "owned"
by Al Capone and it has some "cache" to it, in a decidely low rent sort
of way. (And, the Canadian part of the name probably added to the
"Prohibition" era connection, too.) By the time I came across it, it
was one of many "discount" brands out of a small brewery in South Jersey
known as Eastern Brewing Corporation- the only brewery at the time
(mid-70's) where all the officers of the company had Italian surnames.
YOU make the leap...

The bottle I had was badly skunked, thanks to the clear glass but, in
the case of Eastern beers, that was probably the ONLY flavor possible.

The also sold a beer called "Milwaukee" (NOT "Old Milwaukee") and they
tried to cash in on the beer can collecting boom in the late-70's by
buying some dry gas cans and putting their "Milwaukee" label on them as
modern day "cone tops". Don't think they ever put beer in 'em, but they
got some gullible people to buy them at flea markets...(one of whom was
my boss at the time- when I pointed out to him that a 1930's era beer
can wouldn't feature a brewer's zip code, he got sorta annoyed).

Hey, I have no problem making fun of "mass market" beer (brewed in the
US or some of the blander imports we get)- just never cared for the
preference of bland beer from BudMillerCoors over the hometown stuff
(when it still existed).

>>
>>>See ya!
>>
>>Not likely.

Yeah, this seems particularly unfriendly. Sorry. Let's meet at the
bar, I'm buying. I'm currently having a Prima Pils from Victory, so
hopefully they'll have something good on tap...

wrote:

> Yeah, this seems particularly unfriendly. Sorry. Let's meet at the
> bar, I'm buying. I'm currently having a Prima Pils from Victory, so
> hopefully they'll have something good on tap...

Hey, if you come to town for the KCBS West Coast BBQ Championships
this week, we can have a beer at the local brewpub...

http://www.jeffbbq.com/html/bbq_events.html

Cheers,
Dana