Hi --

I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say. :-)

I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
to the point of being overwhelming --

So I'm really sorry if this is a stoopid question, but I'm a little
under the gun here and more confused now than when I started.

Our faithful Weber bit the dust last month (a 12 year old with a sugar
rush, a screw driver and a vivid, overactive imagination -- need I say
more? <g>) and I have to buy something new when I go to town in the
morning. We live in a very rural area and the only reasonable source I
can think of on such short notice is a Home Depot about 40 miles away.

I read a bit of an old discussion about the Weber Performer (which will
pretty much already strain my budget right now) -- and what I need to
know at this point is --

I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.

Thanks for any advice --

Tam

"Tamblyne" > wrote in message
...
> Hi --
>
> I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
> interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say.
:-)
>
> I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
> to the point of being overwhelming --

Isn't it? An epiphany.

> I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
> do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
> I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.
>

Well, if you want to burn lump and wood, or even (bleh) Kingsford, Home
Depot usually carries the Chargriller line.
http://www.chargriller.com/grills.html

You can get the "Super Pro" grill for about $130 and then order the firebox
from the factory for about $70. That way you got yourself a real nice grill
AND an offset for BBQing. I suggest that because last time I looked their
offset didnt come with the coal grate for inside the main chamber, so buying
the grill and then adding the side firebox get you both configurations. The
firebox is a simple bolt on operation, so no worries there.


Dale
--

A Weber kettle will smoke ribs and such and it's a pretty good grill. I
had the version with the rotating blades which scrape the ashes into a pail
hanging beneath the kettle it's self. It also comes with 2 sheet steel
containers to hold your burning coals against the side of the kettle. A big
help when smoking or indirect heat baking. This model costs less then $200.

One thing nice about the Weber is the availability of an after market cast
iron grate... cant be beat for broiling.

Richard Smith

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:27:20 -0600, Tamblyne
> wrote:

>Hi --
>
>I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
>interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say. :-)
>
>I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
>to the point of being overwhelming --
>
>So I'm really sorry if this is a stoopid question, but I'm a little
>under the gun here and more confused now than when I started.
>
>Our faithful Weber bit the dust last month (a 12 year old with a sugar
>rush, a screw driver and a vivid, overactive imagination -- need I say
>more? <g>) and I have to buy something new when I go to town in the
>morning. We live in a very rural area and the only reasonable source I
>can think of on such short notice is a Home Depot about 40 miles away.
>
>I read a bit of an old discussion about the Weber Performer (which will
>pretty much already strain my budget right now) -- and what I need to
>know at this point is --
>
>I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
>do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
>I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.
>
>Thanks for any advice --
>
>Tam
A gas grill really isn't the best thing for smoking. For the price of
the Weber gas grill, you can get a good charcoal grill and a smoker.
Take $25 of the money you saved and buy a 500,000 BTU propane torch
from Northern Tools. Then you can use the propane to light the
charcoal in about 30 seconds. That makes it about as quick and
convenient as the gas grill.

Cheers,

Leonard

Leonard Lehew wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:27:20 -0600, Tamblyne
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Hi --
>>
>>I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
>>interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say. :-)
>>
>>I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
>>to the point of being overwhelming --
>>
>>So I'm really sorry if this is a stoopid question, but I'm a little
>>under the gun here and more confused now than when I started.
>>
>>Our faithful Weber bit the dust last month (a 12 year old with a sugar
>>rush, a screw driver and a vivid, overactive imagination -- need I say
>>more? <g>) and I have to buy something new when I go to town in the
>>morning. We live in a very rural area and the only reasonable source I
>>can think of on such short notice is a Home Depot about 40 miles away.
>>
>>I read a bit of an old discussion about the Weber Performer (which will
>>pretty much already strain my budget right now) -- and what I need to
>>know at this point is --
>>
>>I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
>>do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
>>I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.
>>
>>Thanks for any advice --
>>
>>Tam
>
> A gas grill really isn't the best thing for smoking. For the price of
> the Weber gas grill, you can get a good charcoal grill and a smoker.
> Take $25 of the money you saved and buy a 500,000 BTU propane torch
> from Northern Tools. Then you can use the propane to light the
> charcoal in about 30 seconds. That makes it about as quick and
> convenient as the gas grill.

Oh! Thank you! I didn't realize the Performer was gas -- my
hubby definitely doesn't want that. Thanks for the "heads up".

Tam

Leonard Lehew wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:27:20 -0600, Tamblyne
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Hi --
>>
>>I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
>>interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say. :-)
>>
>>I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
>>to the point of being overwhelming --
>>
>>So I'm really sorry if this is a stoopid question, but I'm a little
>>under the gun here and more confused now than when I started.
>>
>>Our faithful Weber bit the dust last month (a 12 year old with a sugar
>>rush, a screw driver and a vivid, overactive imagination -- need I say
>>more? <g>) and I have to buy something new when I go to town in the
>>morning. We live in a very rural area and the only reasonable source I
>>can think of on such short notice is a Home Depot about 40 miles away.
>>
>>I read a bit of an old discussion about the Weber Performer (which will
>>pretty much already strain my budget right now) -- and what I need to
>>know at this point is --
>>
>>I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
>>do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
>>I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.
>>
>>Thanks for any advice --
>>
>>Tam
>
> A gas grill really isn't the best thing for smoking. For the price of
> the Weber gas grill, you can get a good charcoal grill and a smoker.
> Take $25 of the money you saved and buy a 500,000 BTU propane torch
> from Northern Tools. Then you can use the propane to light the
> charcoal in about 30 seconds. That makes it about as quick and
> convenient as the gas grill.

Oh! Thank you! I didn't realize the Performer was gas -- my
hubby definitely doesn't want that. Thanks for the "heads up".

Tam

Duwop wrote:

> "Tamblyne" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi --
>>
>>I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
>>interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say.
>
> :-)
>
>>I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
>>to the point of being overwhelming --
>
>
> Isn't it? An epiphany.

Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode
so I can actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)

>>I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
>>do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
>>I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.
>>
>
>
> Well, if you want to burn lump and wood, or even (bleh) Kingsford, Home
> Depot usually carries the Chargriller line.
> http://www.chargriller.com/grills.html
>
> You can get the "Super Pro" grill for about $130 and then order the firebox
> from the factory for about $70. That way you got yourself a real nice grill
> AND an offset for BBQing. I suggest that because last time I looked their
> offset didnt come with the coal grate for inside the main chamber, so buying
> the grill and then adding the side firebox get you both configurations. The
> firebox is a simple bolt on operation, so no worries there.
>
>
> Dale

This is wonderful information -- thank you. I'm afraid our local
Home Depot people are, well, let's just say they are of limited
knowledge in many areas. When I have counted on them for
answers, unfortunately they seem to give me the wrong ones. I
appreciate your help in "arming me" for my foray this morning.

Thank you. :-)

Tam

Duwop wrote:

> "Tamblyne" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi --
>>
>>I started reading through this group a couple of days ago -- very
>>interesting and knowledgeable collection of personalities, I must say.
>
> :-)
>
>>I've started reading the FAQ -- wonderful work and comprehensive almost
>>to the point of being overwhelming --
>
>
> Isn't it? An epiphany.

Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode
so I can actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)

>>I've never tried smoking before but want to try it. Will I be able to
>>do that with this model, or should I think about something else? Since
>>I'm already pushing the cash envelope, I don't want to mess this up.
>>
>
>
> Well, if you want to burn lump and wood, or even (bleh) Kingsford, Home
> Depot usually carries the Chargriller line.
> http://www.chargriller.com/grills.html
>
> You can get the "Super Pro" grill for about $130 and then order the firebox
> from the factory for about $70. That way you got yourself a real nice grill
> AND an offset for BBQing. I suggest that because last time I looked their
> offset didnt come with the coal grate for inside the main chamber, so buying
> the grill and then adding the side firebox get you both configurations. The
> firebox is a simple bolt on operation, so no worries there.
>
>
> Dale

This is wonderful information -- thank you. I'm afraid our local
Home Depot people are, well, let's just say they are of limited
knowledge in many areas. When I have counted on them for
answers, unfortunately they seem to give me the wrong ones. I
appreciate your help in "arming me" for my foray this morning.

Thank you. :-)

Tam

>
> Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode so I can
> actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)
>

It'll take a while...in the meantime, put the screwdrivers up higher, and
buy a pork shoulder. They take a while to cook, but they're darn hard to
mess up and they taste great. Less filling? I don't think so. You'll be
thanking that precious child as you tear apart and eat that first one.

Buy a bag of lump or natural charcoal, and get a charcoal chimney if you
don't already have one. If you have lighter fluid at home, use it for
campfires and never let it near your food again. ;-)

The other guys been doing this longer, but they teached me good.

-John O

>
> Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode so I can
> actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)
>

It'll take a while...in the meantime, put the screwdrivers up higher, and
buy a pork shoulder. They take a while to cook, but they're darn hard to
mess up and they taste great. Less filling? I don't think so. You'll be
thanking that precious child as you tear apart and eat that first one.

Buy a bag of lump or natural charcoal, and get a charcoal chimney if you
don't already have one. If you have lighter fluid at home, use it for
campfires and never let it near your food again. ;-)

The other guys been doing this longer, but they teached me good.

-John O

John O wrote:

>>Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode so I can
>>actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)
>>
>
>
> It'll take a while...in the meantime, put the screwdrivers up higher, and
> buy a pork shoulder. They take a while to cook, but they're darn hard to
> mess up and they taste great. Less filling? I don't think so. You'll be
> thanking that precious child as you tear apart and eat that first one.

I gave up trying to put things higher when I looked up one day
and realized he's taller than I am -- and his Dad's shoes are too
small. I'm hoping that all this aggravation will be repaid
ten-fold when I'm a little old lady and he's in the NBA -- lol

I still can't figure out why he thought that thing would make
good parts for his "boat" (ballast tanks, I believe) -- but who
can know the inner workings of the pre-adolescent mind? <g>

> Buy a bag of lump or natural charcoal, and get a charcoal chimney if you
> don't already have one. If you have lighter fluid at home, use it for
> campfires and never let it near your food again. ;-)

We have a Royal Oak plant just a couple of miles from my house --
I'm hoping I can get the manager to trade me for some of my
killer breads and cookies.

I have always had trouble getting these lit, but my chimney
starter was made with a coffee can and I think it just wasn't
quite "right". I'm hoping if I pick one up, that part of the
problem will be solved. :-)

Thank you so much for the advice and help -- it is MOST
appreciated!

And I'm off to the store! Thanks to everyone -- I don't know how
things are going to turn out, but I definitely know it will be
fun. And since I've already told The Kid his hands will fall off
if he touches the new one, I'm sure THAT problem is solved. lmao

Tam

John O wrote:

>>Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode so I can
>>actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)
>>
>
>
> It'll take a while...in the meantime, put the screwdrivers up higher, and
> buy a pork shoulder. They take a while to cook, but they're darn hard to
> mess up and they taste great. Less filling? I don't think so. You'll be
> thanking that precious child as you tear apart and eat that first one.

I gave up trying to put things higher when I looked up one day
and realized he's taller than I am -- and his Dad's shoes are too
small. I'm hoping that all this aggravation will be repaid
ten-fold when I'm a little old lady and he's in the NBA -- lol

I still can't figure out why he thought that thing would make
good parts for his "boat" (ballast tanks, I believe) -- but who
can know the inner workings of the pre-adolescent mind? <g>

> Buy a bag of lump or natural charcoal, and get a charcoal chimney if you
> don't already have one. If you have lighter fluid at home, use it for
> campfires and never let it near your food again. ;-)

We have a Royal Oak plant just a couple of miles from my house --
I'm hoping I can get the manager to trade me for some of my
killer breads and cookies.

I have always had trouble getting these lit, but my chimney
starter was made with a coffee can and I think it just wasn't
quite "right". I'm hoping if I pick one up, that part of the
problem will be solved. :-)

Thank you so much for the advice and help -- it is MOST
appreciated!

And I'm off to the store! Thanks to everyone -- I don't know how
things are going to turn out, but I definitely know it will be
fun. And since I've already told The Kid his hands will fall off
if he touches the new one, I'm sure THAT problem is solved. lmao

Tam

Tamblyne wrote:
>
> John O wrote:
>
> >>Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode so I can
> >>actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)
> >>
> >
> >
> > It'll take a while...in the meantime, put the screwdrivers up higher, and
> > buy a pork shoulder. They take a while to cook, but they're darn hard to
> > mess up and they taste great. Less filling? I don't think so. You'll be
> > thanking that precious child as you tear apart and eat that first one.
>
> I gave up trying to put things higher when I looked up one day
> and realized he's taller than I am -- and his Dad's shoes are too
> small. I'm hoping that all this aggravation will be repaid
> ten-fold when I'm a little old lady and he's in the NBA -- lol
>
> I still can't figure out why he thought that thing would make
> good parts for his "boat" (ballast tanks, I believe) -- but who
> can know the inner workings of the pre-adolescent mind? <g>
>
> > Buy a bag of lump or natural charcoal, and get a charcoal chimney if you
> > don't already have one. If you have lighter fluid at home, use it for
> > campfires and never let it near your food again. ;-)
>
> We have a Royal Oak plant just a couple of miles from my house --
> I'm hoping I can get the manager to trade me for some of my
> killer breads and cookies.
>
> I have always had trouble getting these lit, but my chimney
> starter was made with a coffee can and I think it just wasn't
> quite "right". I'm hoping if I pick one up, that part of the
> problem will be solved. :-)
>
> Thank you so much for the advice and help -- it is MOST
> appreciated!
>
> And I'm off to the store! Thanks to everyone -- I don't know how
> things are going to turn out, but I definitely know it will be
> fun. And since I've already told The Kid his hands will fall off
> if he touches the new one, I'm sure THAT problem is solved. lmao
>
> Tam

Coffee can starters work just fine, at least the 3# size do. Punch a
series of holes all around the side at the bottom with a good can opener
punch. You'll get nice triangular openings. This is one the side at the
bottom, not on the bottom itself.

Fill with 1 page of newspaper crumpled at the bottom. Place 1 stick of
fatwood broken in half to fit on top of the paper. Fill the rest with
lump charcoal.

Use a Bernzomatic TS4000 torch with MAPP gas to start the paper and get
things going at the bottom. Don't be stingy, point the torch in the
bottom holes and let it cook for a minute to get going good.

Wait 2 minutes for it to settle down and then top off with lump again to
take up the space created when the newspaper burned away. Now get your
leaf blower and with it at idle aim the nozzle at the holes in the base
of the can. Watch for the larger flying sparks, they can burn a hole in
your shirt. Run the leaf blower until the charcoal at the top begins to
get some grayish areas.

The charcoal is now ready to put in the grill. By the time it is in and
spread evenly it will be ready to start cooking on.

Pete C.

PS: This process is particularly spectacular in the evening.

Tamblyne wrote:
>
> John O wrote:
>
> >>Absolutely fabulous -- I can't wait to get out of my "panic" mode so I can
> >>actually relax and absorb everything that's there. :-)
> >>
> >
> >
> > It'll take a while...in the meantime, put the screwdrivers up higher, and
> > buy a pork shoulder. They take a while to cook, but they're darn hard to
> > mess up and they taste great. Less filling? I don't think so. You'll be
> > thanking that precious child as you tear apart and eat that first one.
>
> I gave up trying to put things higher when I looked up one day
> and realized he's taller than I am -- and his Dad's shoes are too
> small. I'm hoping that all this aggravation will be repaid
> ten-fold when I'm a little old lady and he's in the NBA -- lol
>
> I still can't figure out why he thought that thing would make
> good parts for his "boat" (ballast tanks, I believe) -- but who
> can know the inner workings of the pre-adolescent mind? <g>
>
> > Buy a bag of lump or natural charcoal, and get a charcoal chimney if you
> > don't already have one. If you have lighter fluid at home, use it for
> > campfires and never let it near your food again. ;-)
>
> We have a Royal Oak plant just a couple of miles from my house --
> I'm hoping I can get the manager to trade me for some of my
> killer breads and cookies.
>
> I have always had trouble getting these lit, but my chimney
> starter was made with a coffee can and I think it just wasn't
> quite "right". I'm hoping if I pick one up, that part of the
> problem will be solved. :-)
>
> Thank you so much for the advice and help -- it is MOST
> appreciated!
>
> And I'm off to the store! Thanks to everyone -- I don't know how
> things are going to turn out, but I definitely know it will be
> fun. And since I've already told The Kid his hands will fall off
> if he touches the new one, I'm sure THAT problem is solved. lmao
>
> Tam

Coffee can starters work just fine, at least the 3# size do. Punch a
series of holes all around the side at the bottom with a good can opener
punch. You'll get nice triangular openings. This is one the side at the
bottom, not on the bottom itself.

Fill with 1 page of newspaper crumpled at the bottom. Place 1 stick of
fatwood broken in half to fit on top of the paper. Fill the rest with
lump charcoal.

Use a Bernzomatic TS4000 torch with MAPP gas to start the paper and get
things going at the bottom. Don't be stingy, point the torch in the
bottom holes and let it cook for a minute to get going good.

Wait 2 minutes for it to settle down and then top off with lump again to
take up the space created when the newspaper burned away. Now get your
leaf blower and with it at idle aim the nozzle at the holes in the base
of the can. Watch for the larger flying sparks, they can burn a hole in
your shirt. Run the leaf blower until the charcoal at the top begins to
get some grayish areas.

The charcoal is now ready to put in the grill. By the time it is in and
spread evenly it will be ready to start cooking on.

Pete C.

PS: This process is particularly spectacular in the evening.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:55 -0600, Tamblyne
> wrote:

>
>Oh! Thank you! I didn't realize the Performer was gas -- my
>hubby definitely doesn't want that. Thanks for the "heads up".
>
>Tam
Good grief! I just checked the Weber site. That particular grill is a
kettle style charcoal grill with a gas lighter. Should be quite nice.

You can use indirect heat by placing the charcoal off to one side or
around the edges. Not bad for smoking.

Sorry about my mistake! For some reason, I thought "Performer" was one
of their gas grills. In truth it is a higher-end charcoal burner.

Mea Culpa!

Leonard

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:55 -0600, Tamblyne
> wrote:

>
>Oh! Thank you! I didn't realize the Performer was gas -- my
>hubby definitely doesn't want that. Thanks for the "heads up".
>
>Tam
Good grief! I just checked the Weber site. That particular grill is a
kettle style charcoal grill with a gas lighter. Should be quite nice.

You can use indirect heat by placing the charcoal off to one side or
around the edges. Not bad for smoking.

Sorry about my mistake! For some reason, I thought "Performer" was one
of their gas grills. In truth it is a higher-end charcoal burner.

Mea Culpa!

Leonard

> Use a Binford TS4000 torch with MAPP gas to start the paper and get
> things going at the bottom. Don't be stingy, point the torch in the
> bottom holes and let it cook for a minute to get going good.

Hey, Tim Taylor....would a match do the job, too? :-)

-John O

> Use a Binford TS4000 torch with MAPP gas to start the paper and get
> things going at the bottom. Don't be stingy, point the torch in the
> bottom holes and let it cook for a minute to get going good.

Hey, Tim Taylor....would a match do the job, too? :-)

-John O

John O wrote:
>
> > Use a Binford TS4000 torch with MAPP gas to start the paper and get
> > things going at the bottom. Don't be stingy, point the torch in the
> > bottom holes and let it cook for a minute to get going good.
>
> Hey, Tim Taylor....would a match do the job, too? :-)
>
> -John O

In some cases, however it would:

1. Take considerably longer

2. Not produce as even results

3. Not produce the entertainment value

Pete C.

John O wrote:
>
> > Use a Binford TS4000 torch with MAPP gas to start the paper and get
> > things going at the bottom. Don't be stingy, point the torch in the
> > bottom holes and let it cook for a minute to get going good.
>
> Hey, Tim Taylor....would a match do the job, too? :-)
>
> -John O

In some cases, however it would:

1. Take considerably longer

2. Not produce as even results

3. Not produce the entertainment value

Pete C.

Leonard Lehew wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:55 -0600, Tamblyne
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Oh! Thank you! I didn't realize the Performer was gas -- my
>>hubby definitely doesn't want that. Thanks for the "heads up".
>>
>>Tam
>
> Good grief! I just checked the Weber site. That particular grill is a
> kettle style charcoal grill with a gas lighter. Should be quite nice.
>
> You can use indirect heat by placing the charcoal off to one side or
> around the edges. Not bad for smoking.
>
> Sorry about my mistake! For some reason, I thought "Performer" was one
> of their gas grills. In truth it is a higher-end charcoal burner.
>
> Mea Culpa!
>
> Leonard

Hi, Leonard --

:-)

I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you -- and I probably
could have figured this out, too, at the store yesterday if they
had actually had one, which they didn't! Darn it! This store
seems to be pretty much the last on the list when it comes to
deliveries -- they said they didn't expect to be fully stocked
with product until the middle of next month.

I DO want to thank everyone who helped, though -- I did some
waundering around over there and it really helps to actually see
what you guys are talking about.

*sigh* That's what I get for being in a hurry -- maybe next
week. :-)

Thank you!

Tam

Leonard Lehew wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:55 -0600, Tamblyne
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Oh! Thank you! I didn't realize the Performer was gas -- my
>>hubby definitely doesn't want that. Thanks for the "heads up".
>>
>>Tam
>
> Good grief! I just checked the Weber site. That particular grill is a
> kettle style charcoal grill with a gas lighter. Should be quite nice.
>
> You can use indirect heat by placing the charcoal off to one side or
> around the edges. Not bad for smoking.
>
> Sorry about my mistake! For some reason, I thought "Performer" was one
> of their gas grills. In truth it is a higher-end charcoal burner.
>
> Mea Culpa!
>
> Leonard

Hi, Leonard --

:-)

I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you -- and I probably
could have figured this out, too, at the store yesterday if they
had actually had one, which they didn't! Darn it! This store
seems to be pretty much the last on the list when it comes to
deliveries -- they said they didn't expect to be fully stocked
with product until the middle of next month.

I DO want to thank everyone who helped, though -- I did some
waundering around over there and it really helps to actually see
what you guys are talking about.

*sigh* That's what I get for being in a hurry -- maybe next
week. :-)

Thank you!

Tam