I got a new Blue Rhino today. I put it on my grill (Weber Genesis Silver B)
and the round metal part on the house immediately started to freeze. Then
the grill started to make a "Knock" noise every 10 seconds. These seemed
odd to me.. I turned the gas off and disconnect the hose from the tank.
The whole inside of the hose was frozen. The grill did light but when the
hose was on but I think I might have smelt gas too. Any ideas why it did
that?

Thanks,
D

"Darren" > wrote in message
news:HicHe.2451$%a2.2214@trndny03...
>I got a new Blue Rhino today. I put it on my grill (Weber Genesis Silver
>B) and the round metal part on the house immediately started to freeze.
>Then the grill started to make a "Knock" noise every 10 seconds. These
>seemed odd to me.. I turned the gas off and disconnect the hose from the
>tank. The whole inside of the hose was frozen. The grill did light but
>when the hose was on but I think I might have smelt gas too. Any ideas
>why it did that?

Gas leak will freeze them. Could be a bad fitting on the tank. You never
know where those thanks have been.

Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any place else.
I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:24:47 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any place else.
>I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.

? About the 'can't get them filled anyplace else' part: why ever not?

Is BJ's someplace local to you? I got Blue Rhino because I bought my
(gas-fired) bullet smoker at Lowe's and that's what they had.
Fortunately, I can swap it at HD, which is about 1/4-1/2 mile away.


--
-denny-

"I don't like it when a whole state starts
acting like a marital aid."
"John R. Campbell" in a Usenet post.

You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not saying that
everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . . . you own
it.

What is really sounds like is that the tank was overfilled and you are
drawing liquid instead of vapor, OPD or not. OPD valed no NOT work all of
the time, particularly on Blue Rhino tanks. Blue Rhino really put some
crappy valves in some of their tanks.

As far as the filling procedure at the Blue Rhino factory, the tanks are all
basically shoved down an automated line when they are filled by machines
that "slam" the liquid into the tanks as fast as possible.

Take the tank back to where you purchased it and have them replace it, they
will if they know what is good for them.


"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Darren" > wrote in message
> news:HicHe.2451$%a2.2214@trndny03...
>>I got a new Blue Rhino today. I put it on my grill (Weber Genesis Silver
>>B) and the round metal part on the house immediately started to freeze.
>>Then the grill started to make a "Knock" noise every 10 seconds. These
>>seemed odd to me.. I turned the gas off and disconnect the hose from the
>>tank. The whole inside of the hose was frozen. The grill did light but
>>when the hose was on but I think I might have smelt gas too. Any ideas
>>why it did that?
>
> Gas leak will freeze them. Could be a bad fitting on the tank. You never
> know where those thanks have been.
>
> Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any place
> else. I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.
>

"Denny Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:24:47 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any place
>>else.
>>I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.
>
> ? About the 'can't get them filled anyplace else' part: why ever not?
>
> Is BJ's someplace local to you? I got Blue Rhino because I bought my
> (gas-fired) bullet smoker at Lowe's and that's what they had.
> Fortunately, I can swap it at HD, which is about 1/4-1/2 mile away.

Unless it has changed, BR uses some sort of proprietary fitting to lock you
in to swapping tanks. While swapping sounds easy, you just don't know what
you get each time. I prefer to own and take care on my tanks myself.
Locally, it is $14 or so for a swap. Local gas station is $12 for a
re-fill, BJ's $8.50

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Denny Wheeler" > wrote in
> message
> ...
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:24:47 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any
>>> place
>>> else.
>>> I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.
>>
>> ? About the 'can't get them filled anyplace else' part: why ever
>> not?
>>
>> Is BJ's someplace local to you? I got Blue Rhino because I bought
>> my
>> (gas-fired) bullet smoker at Lowe's and that's what they had.
>> Fortunately, I can swap it at HD, which is about 1/4-1/2 mile away.
>
> Unless it has changed, BR uses some sort of proprietary fitting to
> lock you
> in to swapping tanks.

It is (or was) some sort of magnetic device included in the BR OPD.
As I understand it, (there was a thread and a warning on Ray Basso's
forum) , the "filling station" has to have a magnet that fits into the
triangle-shaped recession of the BR valve to release the internal
"ball-valve" in the OPD.


> While swapping sounds easy, you just don't know what
> you get each time. I prefer to own and take care on my tanks
> myself.
> Locally, it is $14 or so for a swap. Local gas station is $12 for a
> re-fill, BJ's $8.50

Glad I only use propane to start my charcoal fires and run my turkey
frier/crab boiler.

BOB


--
Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

Adam wrote:
> You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not saying
> that
> everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . . .
> you own
> it.

Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at
giving useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.

BOB

" BOB" > wrote in message
...
>
> Adam wrote:
>> You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not saying that
>> everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . . . you
>> own
>> it.
>
> Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at giving
> useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
>
> BOB
Shut up Prick.

BOB wrote:
>
> Adam wrote:
> > You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not saying
> > that
> > everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . . .
> > you own
> > it.
>
> Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at
> giving useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
>
> BOB

Um, he is/was entirely correct about tank ownership, in fact I've
noticed BR and some others stressing that point in their advertising.
It's the same with industrial gasses as well, I own an 80cf Argon tank
(for me TIG welder), but each time I go to get a refill I get a
different physical tank (swap). I deal with Airgas, but I can just as
easily take my tank to a BOC or other gas supplier for fills / swaps.

As for the quality / condition of the tanks, that would vary some, but
all should have passed a basic visual inspection at every fill and the
tanks are required to be hydro tested at regular intervals. Tank
exchange has been common in industrial gasses (2,015 PSI) for quite a
while and I haven't heard of any safety / quality problems so I wouldn't
expect it to be a big issue for propane either.

Pete C.

Adam wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Adam wrote:
>>
>>>You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not saying that
>>>everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . . . you
>>>own
>>>it.
>>
>>Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at giving
>>useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
>>
>>BOB
>
> Shut up Prick.
>

Look at that. Maybe he _can_ be rehabilitated.

Matthew (though I have my doubts)

Pete C. wrote:
> BOB wrote:
>>
>> Adam wrote:
>>> You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not
>>> saying
>>> that
>>> everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . .
>>> .
>>> you own
>>> it.
>>
>> Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at
>> giving useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
>>
>> BOB
>
> Um, he is/was entirely correct about tank ownership, in fact I've
> noticed BR and some others stressing that point in their
> advertising.
> It's the same with industrial gasses as well, I own an 80cf Argon
> tank
> (for me TIG welder), but each time I go to get a refill I get a
> different physical tank (swap). I deal with Airgas, but I can just
> as
> easily take my tank to a BOC or other gas supplier for fills /
> swaps.
>
> As for the quality / condition of the tanks, that would vary some,
> but
> all should have passed a basic visual inspection at every fill and
> the
> tanks are required to be hydro tested at regular intervals. Tank
> exchange has been common in industrial gasses (2,015 PSI) for quite
> a
> while and I haven't heard of any safety / quality problems so I
> wouldn't
> expect it to be a big issue for propane either.
>
> Pete C.

Read my response to Edwin in this thread. Some (maybe most/all) of
the Blue Rino OPD valves have a magnetic, spring loaded "ball" valve
in them that prevents anyone from filling them unless they have the
proper magnetic key. BR is doing this so that once they have you, you
are stuck.

BOB

Pete C. wrote:
> BOB wrote:
>>
>> Adam wrote:
>>> You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not
>>> saying
>>> that
>>> everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . .
>>> .
>>> you own
>>> it.
>>
>> Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at
>> giving useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
>>
>> BOB
>
> Um, he is/was entirely correct about tank ownership, in fact I've
> noticed BR and some others stressing that point in their
> advertising.

Read he

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...613123088.html

Apology accepted

BOB


--
Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

BOB wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Denny Wheeler" > wrote in
>> message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:24:47 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any
>>>> place
>>>> else.
>>>> I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.
>>>
>>> ? About the 'can't get them filled anyplace else' part: why ever
>>> not?
>>>
>>> Is BJ's someplace local to you? I got Blue Rhino because I bought
>>> my
>>> (gas-fired) bullet smoker at Lowe's and that's what they had.
>>> Fortunately, I can swap it at HD, which is about 1/4-1/2 mile
>>> away.
>>
>> Unless it has changed, BR uses some sort of proprietary fitting to
>> lock you
>> in to swapping tanks.

Here's the link:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...613123088.html

>
> It is (or was) some sort of magnetic device included in the BR OPD.
> As I understand it, (there was a thread and a warning on Ray Basso's
> forum) , the "filling station" has to have a magnet that fits into
> the
> triangle-shaped recession of the BR valve to release the internal
> "ball-valve" in the OPD.
>
>
>> While swapping sounds easy, you just don't know what
>> you get each time. I prefer to own and take care on my tanks
>> myself.
>> Locally, it is $14 or so for a swap. Local gas station is $12 for
>> a
>> re-fill, BJ's $8.50
>
> Glad I only use propane to start my charcoal fires and run my turkey
> frier/crab boiler.

BOB

--
Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

Denny Wheeler wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:24:47 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Why a Blue Rhino? Overpriced and you can't get them filled any place else.
>>I pay $8.50 a fill at BJ's.
>
>
> ? About the 'can't get them filled anyplace else' part: why ever not?
>
> Is BJ's someplace local to you? I got Blue Rhino because I bought my
> (gas-fired) bullet smoker at Lowe's and that's what they had.
> Fortunately, I can swap it at HD, which is about 1/4-1/2 mile away.
>
>
I much prefer to own my own tanks. I have two 30 pound tanks and like
knowing how old they are and how they've been taken care of. No trade-in
shops for this kid.

--
Steve
Ever notice that putting the and IRS together makes "theirs"?

BOB wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > BOB wrote:
> >>
> >> Adam wrote:
> >>> You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not
> >>> saying
> >>> that
> >>> everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . .
> >>> .
> >>> you own
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at
> >> giving useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
> >>
> >> BOB
> >
> > Um, he is/was entirely correct about tank ownership, in fact I've
> > noticed BR and some others stressing that point in their
> > advertising.
>
> Read he
>
> http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...613123088.html
>
> Apology accepted
>
> BOB
>
> --
> Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

None necessary, excerpt from purported BR letter -

"However, you, as a consumer, are free to fill your cylinder if you
wish. Not all of our tanks offer the special safety feature. The way to
identify the special TS2 valve tanks that cannot be filled is easy. If
your tank valve has a small triangular indention on the side, then it is
"tamper" protected. If you prefer to have a tank that can be filled by
anyone, take that tank back to any Blue Rhino retailer and exchange it
for one that does not have the triangular indention."

Presumably most propane dealers will also have the appropriate tools,
just like auto shops have keys for wheel locks. The other advantage to
cylinder exchange is that you never have to pay for hydro testing, and
would not have had to pay to replace a non OPD valve.

I've also seen gas places that do cylinder exchange indicating that they
will exchange for competitors cylinders as well. Presumably they just
exchange them back and forth. I've seen this on both propane and
Oxy./Acet./CO2/Argon. Of course around here the Home Depots carry
Oxy./Acet./CO2/Argon (BOC exchange) as well as propane exchange (Blue
Rhino).

Pete C.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
> None necessary, excerpt from purported BR letter -
>
> " If you prefer to have a tank that can be filled by
> anyone, take that tank back to any Blue Rhino retailer and exchange it
> for one that does not have the triangular indention."

This is my favorite line:
"Some, but not all of our tanks have a special safety device that prevents
the refill by anyone other than a Blue Rhino specialist. They are called TS2
cylinders. The reason we designed them is simple. It's for the safety of our
consumers!!"

Sure it is. Profit from a closed customer base has nothing to do with it.

>
> The other advantage to
> cylinder exchange is that you never have to pay for hydro testing, and
> would not have had to pay to replace a non OPD valve.

A new tank is $20. Three or four fill ups pays for the new tak compared to
BR prices. They are good for something like 12 years before a hydro is
needed so I'll just buy another at that time. Do as you like, but I hope
you have the large size Vaseline jar.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> > None necessary, excerpt from purported BR letter -
> >
> > " If you prefer to have a tank that can be filled by
> > anyone, take that tank back to any Blue Rhino retailer and exchange it
> > for one that does not have the triangular indention."
>
> This is my favorite line:
> "Some, but not all of our tanks have a special safety device that prevents
> the refill by anyone other than a Blue Rhino specialist. They are called TS2
> cylinders. The reason we designed them is simple. It's for the safety of our
> consumers!!"
>
> Sure it is. Profit from a closed customer base has nothing to do with it.
>
> >
> > The other advantage to
> > cylinder exchange is that you never have to pay for hydro testing, and
> > would not have had to pay to replace a non OPD valve.
>
> A new tank is $20. Three or four fill ups pays for the new tak compared to
> BR prices. They are good for something like 12 years before a hydro is
> needed so I'll just buy another at that time. Do as you like, but I hope
> you have the large size Vaseline jar.
> --
> Ed
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Well certainly the economics are more exaggerated when you're dealing
with $150-$300 high pressure tanks. As for cost differences between BR
and other places to fill, for me it's pretty negligible. I only use
propane for the cooktop of my dual-fuel stove and even with fairly
intensive cooking a tank lasts a good 8 months. All the BBQ and grilling
is with lump. I've got a number of options around for both exchange and
fills, and if the potential savings was more than the $10/yr or so it
might be worthwhile to shop around.

Pete C.

If the hose is frozen you may have a bad regulator. It could also be
caused by liquid flowing directly into it but that probably won't
happen unless you turn it upside down.

"Darren" > wrote:

>I got a new Blue Rhino today. I put it on my grill (Weber Genesis Silver B)
>and the round metal part on the house immediately started to freeze. Then
>the grill started to make a "Knock" noise every 10 seconds. These seemed
>odd to me.. I turned the gas off and disconnect the hose from the tank.
>The whole inside of the hose was frozen. The grill did light but when the
>hose was on but I think I might have smelt gas too. Any ideas why it did
>that?
>
>Thanks,
>D
>


Dr. John

" BOB" > wrote in message
...
> Pete C. wrote:
> > BOB wrote:
> >>
> >> Adam wrote:
> >>> You can get "Blue Rhino" tanks filles wherever you like. Not
> >>> saying
> >>> that
> >>> everyone will fill them, but it is your tank, you purchased it . .
> >>> .
> >>> you own
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> Go back to SPAMMING...you're much better at that than you are at
> >> giving useful information, you top-posting-full quoting BOZO.
> >>
> >> BOB
> >
> > Um, he is/was entirely correct about tank ownership, in fact I've
> > noticed BR and some others stressing that point in their
> > advertising.
>
> Read he
>
> http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...613123088.html
>
> Apology accepted
>
> BOB

We've been filling propane tanks at our store for 3 years, now. In that
time, we've only had 2 tanks that we couldn't fill. One was a BR and one
wasn't. We don't have a magnetic key and probably 20% of the tanks we fill
are BR.
H