Hopefully soon. My lame state of Indiana will abolish the law that
forbids people to buy alcohol on Sundays.

You can go to church (yuck!), you can go to the bar and drink, but you
can't buy a case of beer from the gocery store.

It's silly, bordering on obscene.

Guess what happens if, say, the 4th of July falls on a Sunday? That's
right, you gotta buy your beer on Saturday. You gotta plan ahead like,
nearly 24 hours.

I feel oppressed.

That, and I'm out of beer.

-Homer

I remember that. Ohio has some funny laws, too. There are dry townships
inside wet counties!
"Homer Simpson" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Hopefully soon. My lame state of Indiana will abolish the law that
> forbids people to buy alcohol on Sundays.
>
> You can go to church (yuck!), you can go to the bar and drink, but you
> can't buy a case of beer from the gocery store.
>
> It's silly, bordering on obscene.
>
> Guess what happens if, say, the 4th of July falls on a Sunday? That's
> right, you gotta buy your beer on Saturday. You gotta plan ahead like,
> nearly 24 hours.
>
> I feel oppressed.
>
> That, and I'm out of beer.
>
> -Homer

That doesn't border on obscene it is completely obscene and
unconstitutional. If someone doesn't want to sell you something on
sunday (or any day) that is their right but to force them to decline to
sell you something is unconstitutional. The government interferes way
too much in our lives. VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

I don't mean to rant but it's not like it's a funny store policy, that
would be something to laugh at, it is a LAW, and that is a different
story, that IS oppresive.

On the upside I just finished a bridgeport ipa and it was awesome, I
love their Ebenezer Ale but thats only available like 3 months out of
the year. Worth the wait though.

If they didn't learn from Prohibition...
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> That doesn't border on obscene it is completely obscene and
> unconstitutional. If someone doesn't want to sell you something on
> sunday (or any day) that is their right but to force them to decline to
> sell you something is unconstitutional. The government interferes way
> too much in our lives. VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
>
> I don't mean to rant but it's not like it's a funny store policy, that
> would be something to laugh at, it is a LAW, and that is a different
> story, that IS oppresive.
>
> On the upside I just finished a bridgeport ipa and it was awesome, I
> love their Ebenezer Ale but thats only available like 3 months out of
> the year. Worth the wait though.
>

wrote:
> That doesn't border on obscene it is completely obscene and
> unconstitutional. If someone doesn't want to sell you something on
> sunday (or any day) that is their right but to force them to decline to
> sell you something is unconstitutional. The government interferes way
> too much in our lives. VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
>
> I don't mean to rant but it's not like it's a funny store policy, that
> would be something to laugh at, it is a LAW, and that is a different
> story, that IS oppresive.

The fact that the law doesn't have a constitutional basis doesn't
really seem to bother anyone.

I've been throwing my vote away on 3rd parties for years. Indiana
always goes Republican.

On the plus side, a bill introducing daylight savings time to the state
of Indiana passed the State House and looks poised to become a law.
Soon my home state will enter the 1950's! What an exciting time!

Stay tuned for more updates!

-H.

"Homer Simpson" > wrote in message
ink.net...

> On the plus side, a bill introducing daylight savings time to the state of
> Indiana passed the State House and looks poised to become a law. Soon my
> home state will enter the 1950's! What an exciting time!

Shit, they finally passed that? That was one of the many, many things I
hated about living in Indiana. And I never thought I'd see the day where
they'd cave.

Incidentally, not being able to buy beer on Sundays wasn't on that list.
Sure, I prefer living someplace where that is possible, but it's hardly like
the apocalypse is nigh because of that law.

-Steve

Steve Jackson wrote:
> "Homer Simpson" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>On the plus side, a bill introducing daylight savings time to the state of
>>Indiana passed the State House and looks poised to become a law. Soon my
>>home state will enter the 1950's! What an exciting time!

> Shit, they finally passed that? That was one of the many, many things I
> hated about living in Indiana. And I never thought I'd see the day where
> they'd cave.

They are working on it. (Again) The bill apparently needs tweaking.
And to be signed into law, then repealed. Repeat. Give it 10 or 12
years. I'll just keep my clock where it is for now.

-H.

"Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
news:4IF8e.64988$B12.61146@trnddc09...
> "Homer Simpson" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
> > On the plus side, a bill introducing daylight savings time to the state
of
> > Indiana passed the State House and looks poised to become a law. Soon my
> > home state will enter the 1950's! What an exciting time!
>
> Shit, they finally passed that? That was one of the many, many things I
> hated about living in Indiana. And I never thought I'd see the day where
> they'd cave.

I'd prefer having the same time all year, actually...

> Incidentally, not being able to buy beer on Sundays wasn't on that list.
> Sure, I prefer living someplace where that is possible, but it's hardly
like
> the apocalypse is nigh because of that law.

I'd like to buy beer at grocery stores too, but that's not happening here
in BC. Fortunately, beer can be bought in cold beer and wine stores and
in privatised liquor stores, but the government liquor stores are closed on
Sundays, and only a select few of them carry my brand of beer while no
one else does. I stock up on Tuesdays or Wednesdays for the week...

-'dreas

Steve Jackson wrote:
> "Homer Simpson" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>On the plus side, a bill introducing daylight savings time to the state of
>>Indiana passed the State House and looks poised to become a law. Soon my
>>home state will enter the 1950's! What an exciting time!

> Shit, they finally passed that? That was one of the many, many things I
> hated about living in Indiana. And I never thought I'd see the day where
> they'd cave.

They are working on it. (Again) The bill apparently needs tweaking.
And to be signed into law, then repealed. Repeat. Give it 10 or 12
years. I'll just keep my clock where it is for now.

-H.

> wrote in message
oups.com...

> That doesn't border on obscene it is completely obscene and
> unconstitutional. If someone doesn't want to sell you something on
> sunday (or any day) that is their right but to force them to decline to
> sell you something is unconstitutional.

Sorry, it's not. No matter how stupid laws prohibiting Sunday sales are
(which is pretty stupid, if you ask me), they are most certainly not
unconstitutional. A key clause of the 21st amendment gives states regulatory
powers over alcohol sales. Subsequent cases before the Supreme Court in the
1930s established that the Commerce Clause largely does not apply with
regards to alcohol sales because of the second clause of the amendment.
Recent court cases have rolled back that broad latitutde slightly, but since
the 21st Amendment only technically covers the transport and import of
alcohol into each of the states, states are still left with broad discretion
on how to regulate that alcohol once it's in the state. After all, once it's
in the state, it's no longer a matter of interstate commerce, and would no
longer be under the jurisdiction of the federal government.

> I don't mean to rant but it's not like it's a funny store policy, that
> would be something to laugh at, it is a LAW, and that is a different
> story, that IS oppresive.

Please. I find no Sunday sales to be stupid and annoying too, but that
hardly qualifies as oppression. Oppression is being denied your voting
rights, your right to free speech, being harassed or jailed for speaking out
against the government. Oppression may even be banning alcohol sales
altogether. But it's not having to think ahead and buying your booze on
Saturday or going to the pub or restaurant on Sunday to get a drink.

> On the upside I just finished a bridgeport ipa and it was awesome, I
> love their Ebenezer Ale but thats only available like 3 months out of
> the year. Worth the wait though.

Isn't that oppressive? Shouldn't Bridgeport be required not to force you to
have to plan to buy your favorite beer only during certain months of the
year? (Yes, that was sarcasm, just for the record.)

-Steve

Well if it is not unconstitutional (I still think it is) then it most
certianly is against our Bill of Rights. If my rights are taken from
me by force it IS most definitely oppresion, it is no less a crime just
because you think it's only a minor nusiance.

Again, it would be "stupid" and "annoying" if we had the choice not to
abide by the rule, if we could shop at another store for example, but
we don't have that choice. For such a rule to be enforced on us
against our wills IS oppresive. If I were a store owner and decided to
break that rule (because neither my customer nor I want to abide by it
and we are both adults and can decide for ourselves what is best in our
own lives) I would probably be fined, if I refused to pay that fine I
would eventually be forced to abide by some punishment, like jail, at
the point of a gun, if that is not oppresion I don't know what is.

"How soon we forget history... government is not reason. Government is
not eloquence. It is force. And, like fire, it is a dangerous servant
and a fearful master." George Washington - (Who's favorite
drink was porter)

By the way, have you had Ebenezer ale? If you had to wait 9 months for
it you'd think it was oppresive also? :-)

wrote:

> Well if it is not unconstitutional (I still think it is)

Nope. It isn't. 21st Amendment, second clause:

"The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or
possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of
intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby
prohibited."

This clause gives the individual states, territories, and U.S.
possessions the right to regulate the sale of alcohol beverages as
they see fit. So, you still get states that forbid Sunday retail
sales. Or, like where I live, the state forbids sales between 2AM
and 6AM every day, and also controls hard liquor stores via a network
of state-owned shops and licensed "agencies." Again, nothing
unconstitutional about it, no matter what you think.

You actually have read the U.S. Constitution and know what the
amendments say, right?

> then it most
> certianly is against our Bill of Rights.

Funny. So far, nobody's taken the 21st Amendment to the Supreme Court
and succeeded with that claim. You're welcome to try your hand at
constitutional law, though. The justices could use a laugh.

> If my rights are taken from
> me by force it IS most definitely oppresion, it is no less a crime just
> because you think it's only a minor nusiance.

Nowhere in the Bill of Rights is it stated that you have the right to
buy alcohol beverages on Sundays. Why do you hate the Constitution?

> Again, it would be "stupid" and "annoying" if we had the choice not to
> abide by the rule, if we could shop at another store for example, but
> we don't have that choice. For such a rule to be enforced on us
> against our wills IS oppresive.

You need to get a dictionary and learn the meaning of the word
"oppressive." You're getting nowhere by quacking this pseudo-
libertoonian loon line. Don't like the laws in your state? Either (a)
change them, or (b) vote with your feed and move somewhere where the law
is more to your liking.

> If I were a store owner and decided to
> break that rule (because neither my customer nor I want to abide by it
> and we are both adults and can decide for ourselves what is best in our
> own lives) I would probably be fined, if I refused to pay that fine I
> would eventually be forced to abide by some punishment, like jail, at
> the point of a gun, if that is not oppresion I don't know what is.

It's not obeying the law. That ain't oppression, bunkie. When you set
up business selling booze in your state, you agree to obey the law.
If that law says that you don't sell on Sundays, well, tough jiz. Don't
sell on Sundays. BTW, the shop owner wouldn't just be fined in most
states. Since most states require a state-issued license to sell
alcohol beverages, the shop owner would also lose his license. If he
refused to pay the concommitant fine, the state would already have taken
a chunk of earning potential away from him. The state could even show
up and simply shut the place down. Long before that point, a shop owner
with a hint of a brain would figure out that he's way past the point of
diminishing returns on that one. So let's review, shall we? In
exchange for being granted a license to sell alcohol beverages, I agree
to abide by the terms set by the state. If I don't, the license is
forfeit. Hey, this is like driving a car! Let me guess - if the speed
limit is 40 mph, and you just feel like driving 85, and the bad old
cop stops you and hands you a ticket, you're just gonna scream, "Help!
Help! I'm being oppressed!" Right?

No, you have no clue what oppression is. Obviously. But you do like to
whine a lot. Relax, and drink a beer. And maybe move somewhere where
they let you buy beer every day, like where I live.
--
dgs

"dgs" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>> Well if it is not unconstitutional (I still think it is)
>
> Nope. It isn't. 21st Amendment, second clause:
>
> "The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or
> possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of
> intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby
> prohibited."
>
> This clause gives the individual states, territories, and U.S.
> possessions the right to regulate the sale of alcohol beverages as
> they see fit. So, you still get states that forbid Sunday retail
> sales. Or, like where I live, the state forbids sales between 2AM
> and 6AM every day, and also controls hard liquor stores via a network
> of state-owned shops and licensed "agencies." Again, nothing
> unconstitutional about it, no matter what you think.
>
> You actually have read the U.S. Constitution and know what the
> amendments say, right?

Yeah, yeah, but...seems like Sunday no-sale laws, which are definitely based
on Christian-derived "day of rest" ideas, would violate the 1st Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Or doe the 1st Amendment not cover
the states? Can a state then establish a state religion? It would appear
that they are, if they cause businesses to close on a day for reasons
obviously having to do with religion, but that hardly seems to jive with the
1st Amendment. I don't pretend to be a Constitutional scholar; what's the
story here?

And if the states are NOT allowed to establish religion... What wins, 1st
Amendment, or 21st?

--
Lew Bryson
"If developers intentionally built communities without local gathering
places and good sidewalks leading to them from every home, and did so for
the purpose of inhibiting the political processes of the society, we would
call it treason. Is the result any less negative without the intent?" -- Ray
Oldenburg, "The Great Good Place"
www.lewbryson.com
Author of "New York Breweries," and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed.,
available at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...272174-3121415

> wrote in message
ups.com...

> Well if it is not unconstitutional (I still think it is) then it most
> certianly is against our Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights is part of the constitution.

> If my rights are taken from
> me by force it IS most definitely oppresion, it is no less a crime just
> because you think it's only a minor nusiance.

By force? Is the National Guard out preventing you from buying?

You're right, nuisance level does not make something legal or illegal.
Actual laws and court precedents do that. And the Supreme Court has ruled on
more than one occasion that your interpretation of no-Sunday-sales laws as
unconstitutional is not valid.

Read up:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...n/amendment21/

>
> Again, it would be "stupid" and "annoying" if we had the choice not to
> abide by the rule, if we could shop at another store for example, but
> we don't have that choice. For such a rule to be enforced on us
> against our wills IS oppresive.

Whatever. There are lots of laws that get enforced against my will. That is
not oppression. That is part of the cost of living in a democracy. Just
because I don't like my tax money going to the Pentagon or the CIA does not
mean I'm being oppressed in having it done.

> If I were a store owner and decided to
> break that rule (because neither my customer nor I want to abide by it
> and we are both adults and can decide for ourselves what is best in our
> own lives) I would probably be fined, if I refused to pay that fine I
> would eventually be forced to abide by some punishment, like jail, at
> the point of a gun, if that is not oppresion I don't know what is.

It's called law.

Seriously, you need to get out more if you think fines and jail time for
breaking legitimate laws that have been upheld by an independent judiciary
is oppression. Unless you're an anarchist. In which case I'll buy you're
argument. But there's no way to have the rule of law without enforcing those
laws.

You want oppression? Go look up Stalin.

> By the way, have you had Ebenezer ale? If you had to wait 9 months for
> it you'd think it was oppresive also? :-)

Haven't had that one. BridgePort seems to send only the IPA down to my hood.

-Steve

dgs and steve jackson,

no need to throw childish insults my way, i was only making the
simplest of points, that consenting adults should be able to make any
transaction between them without government interference. no one can
tell us when and how to drink, buy, sell or make our delicious beer (so
long as were not selling some bath-tub brew from the prohibition era
that'll make ya blind) that is all libertarianism is about and that is
exactly what our founding fathers intended. everyone can agree with
that right? so why all the hostility?

peace and love my friends!

Homer Simpson wrote:
> Hopefully soon. My lame state of Indiana will abolish the law that
> forbids people to buy alcohol on Sundays.
>
> You can go to church (yuck!), you can go to the bar and drink, but you
> can't buy a case of beer from the gocery store.
>
> It's silly, bordering on obscene.
>
> Guess what happens if, say, the 4th of July falls on a Sunday? That's
> right, you gotta buy your beer on Saturday. You gotta plan ahead like,
> nearly 24 hours.
>
> I feel oppressed.
>
> That, and I'm out of beer.
>
> -Homer

I feel ya. It's the same way in GA. What's funny is that I typically
do my grocery shopping on Sunday and that's when all the sales (even on
beer) go up. I always have wait an come back though.

At least GA finally has allowed high-gravity beers to be sold legally.
Hey, it's a step.

--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
..:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.

Paul Hobson wrote:

<snip>
>> I feel oppressed.
>>
>> That, and I'm out of beer.
>>
>> -Homer
> I feel ya. It's the same way in GA. What's funny is that I typically
> do my grocery shopping on Sunday and that's when all the sales (even on
> beer) go up. I always have wait an come back though.
>
> At least GA finally has allowed high-gravity beers to be sold legally.
> Hey, it's a step.

I think that's the part that bothers me the most. I have the most time
to do grocery shopping on Sundays. Sundays are like my errand day, and
I hate going to the grocery. It's like time wasted that you'll never
get back. Going twice in the same week just adds fuel to the hatred.

Also, towards the end of the day on Saturday they tend to slack on
stocking the beer knowing that very soon they will have a slot of time
in which it won't matter if they don't stock the beer aisle.

Once I was camping in a dry county in Kentucky, and some locals
overheard me and my friends complaining about the drive to get beer, and
get back to the campsite. They directed us to a nearby bait shop where
one could buy beer and alcohol (illegally) imported from across the
county line.

Funny, no?

-HOmer

Paul Hobson wrote:

<snip>
>> I feel oppressed.
>>
>> That, and I'm out of beer.
>>
>> -Homer
> I feel ya. It's the same way in GA. What's funny is that I typically
> do my grocery shopping on Sunday and that's when all the sales (even on
> beer) go up. I always have wait an come back though.
>
> At least GA finally has allowed high-gravity beers to be sold legally.
> Hey, it's a step.

I think that's the part that bothers me the most. I have the most time
to do grocery shopping on Sundays. Sundays are like my errand day, and
I hate going to the grocery. It's like time wasted that you'll never
get back. Going twice in the same week just adds fuel to the hatred.

Also, towards the end of the day on Saturday they tend to slack on
stocking the beer knowing that very soon they will have a slot of time
in which it won't matter if they don't stock the beer aisle.

Once I was camping in a dry county in Kentucky, and some locals
overheard me and my friends complaining about the drive to get beer, and
get back to the campsite. They directed us to a nearby bait shop where
one could buy beer and alcohol (illegally) imported from across the
county line.

Funny, no?

-HOmer

Homer Simpson wrote:
> Hopefully soon. My lame state of Indiana will abolish the law that
> forbids people to buy alcohol on Sundays.
>
> You can go to church (yuck!), you can go to the bar and drink, but you
> can't buy a case of beer from the gocery store.
>
> It's silly, bordering on obscene.
>
> Guess what happens if, say, the 4th of July falls on a Sunday? That's
> right, you gotta buy your beer on Saturday. You gotta plan ahead like,
> nearly 24 hours.
>
> I feel oppressed.
>
> That, and I'm out of beer.

Man, if being out of beer isn't bad enough, the 4th of July isn't for
another three months. You could maybe, stock up? I can identify with
being out of what I'd like to drink at some time, but being out of beer?
That is, as you said, "silly, bordering on obscene."

--
-bill davidsen )
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
last possible moment - but no longer" -me
Beer blog: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/beer

Homer Simpson wrote:
> Hopefully soon. My lame state of Indiana will abolish the law that
> forbids people to buy alcohol on Sundays.
>
> You can go to church (yuck!), you can go to the bar and drink, but you
> can't buy a case of beer from the gocery store.
>
> It's silly, bordering on obscene.
>
> Guess what happens if, say, the 4th of July falls on a Sunday? That's
> right, you gotta buy your beer on Saturday. You gotta plan ahead like,
> nearly 24 hours.
>
> I feel oppressed.
>
> That, and I'm out of beer.
>
> -Homer

I feel ya. It's the same way in GA. What's funny is that I typically
do my grocery shopping on Sunday and that's when all the sales (even on
beer) go up. I always have wait an come back though.

At least GA finally has allowed high-gravity beers to be sold legally.
Hey, it's a step.

--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
..:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.