Strange but true. I was prowling the local liquor store at the behest
of my lovely wife, looking for a porter. And there they were, four
lovely big bottles of the stuff. And only $2.50 a bottle so I bought
them all.

It is true, there are more combinations of beer in heaven and earth
than I have dreamed of, and I have tried a LOT of beer. Okocim porter
is so malty, so chocolately and so unique because I kept expecting that
vinous note from the yeast that I always seem to get from beers like
this. I suppose it is the lager yeast used that keeps those tastes at
bay. The malt itself was rasiny and chewy. And I gotta say "chewy" as
an adjective to describe malt is way overused IMO. Paulaner Salvator
malt is not chewy, Yeti Imperial Stout is not chewy - Okocim Porter is
CHEWY! It was pretty sweet and I didn't think the 8.3 alcohol was
hidden very well, but it was nice and warming and complimentary to that
massive rasin malt.

If it stays around, it will definitely become a regular treat.

_Randal

On 18 Aug 2005 09:27:40 -0700, "Randal" > wrote:

>Strange but true. I was prowling the local liquor store at the behest
>of my lovely wife, looking for a porter. And there they were, four
>lovely big bottles of the stuff. And only $2.50 a bottle so I bought
>them all.
>
>It is true, there are more combinations of beer in heaven and earth
>than I have dreamed of, and I have tried a LOT of beer. Okocim porter
>is so malty, so chocolately and so unique because I kept expecting that
>vinous note from the yeast that I always seem to get from beers like
>this. I suppose it is the lager yeast used that keeps those tastes at
>bay. The malt itself was rasiny and chewy. And I gotta say "chewy" as
>an adjective to describe malt is way overused IMO. Paulaner Salvator
>malt is not chewy, Yeti Imperial Stout is not chewy - Okocim Porter is
>CHEWY! It was pretty sweet and I didn't think the 8.3 alcohol was
>hidden very well, but it was nice and warming and complimentary to that
>massive rasin malt.
>
>If it stays around, it will definitely become a regular treat.

My understanding is that it is no longer brewed.

If I hear more, I'll post.

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mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

Mike Roebuck wrote:

> My understanding is that it is no longer brewed.
>
> If I hear more, I'll post.

http://www.stawskidistributing.com/news.html

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:23:02 -0400, wrote:

>Mike Roebuck wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that it is no longer brewed.
>>
>> If I hear more, I'll post.
>
> http://www.stawskidistributing.com/news.html
>
>
>
Thanks - I'll pass that on to the (half- Polish) guy who gave me the
original information.

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Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

Mike Roebuck a écrit :

>My understanding is that it is no longer brewed.
>
>
It is, but only por los yanquis, or at least for export. (((

AFAIK, it's not available in Poland any more.
(And a big round of applause for those sad b*stards at Carlsberg
International, please...)

I'm due to visit the Okocim Brewery some time in the Autumn, I'll
enquire further.

Looks like the "optimisation" of breweries' beers portfolios in Poland
is turning out to be pretty lethal for polish porters...

Last June, as I went hunting for "Piwo Porter" across Warsaw, I had to
ask at a dozen offies and delis to finally find two that stocked
Ciechanow (33cl bottles) and/or Lodzkie (50cl cans, ouch), one of them
about 100m north of the Constitution Square.
And then I came across Zywiec Porter (33cl bottles) at a petrol station
somewhere along the way to the Warsaw Uprising Museum. That place had
the best range of beer I'd seen in four days in Warsaw... Turned out the
entrance to Browar Warschawskie (ie. the "Krolewskie" plant) is
nearby... but said petrol station didn't stock any !

Cheers !

Laurent

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Hello baltic-porter fans!

Okocim is brewing their Porter again, ufortunately only for export
(it's not available in Poland) :/

Laurent, Browary Warszawskie no longer exist as well as their
essentional Porter (i still have some bottles in my cellar). All thanks
to Heineken/BBAG.

Another thing is that Zywiec Porter is not brewed in Zywiec anymore but
in Cieszyn under the same name (they also brew a nice regional lager -
Brackie).

A list of porters in Poland to look for is:

Krajan - Porter
Ciechanow - Porter
Staropolskie - Porter
BOSS - Porter

all above approx 18 BLG

(Cieszyn) - Zywiec Porter
Lodzkie - Porter
Strzelec/Brok, Porter

all above approx 22 BLG

And also Okocim Porter, that Carlsberg decided to keep away from Polish
porter drinkers :/

BTW, if someone travelling to Poland will need some info on Polish beer
- please let me know, I'll try to help.

cheers!

art [at] browar.biz


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I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn which has a large Polish
community. I see the Zywiec Porter and Boss Porter (called
Black Boss) all over the place here, in little bodega grocery stores,
though never in bars. A few years back, in addition to the Okocim
Porter (which I still haven't seen return here in NY) there was also
Dojlidy Porter, which I also remember as being quite good. Is that
also no longer being made?

Bill Coleman

=============================================
"ART" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hello baltic-porter fans!
>
> Okocim is brewing their Porter again, ufortunately only for export
> (it's not available in Poland) :/
>
> Laurent, Browary Warszawskie no longer exist as well as their
> essentional Porter (i still have some bottles in my cellar). All thanks
> to Heineken/BBAG.
>
> Another thing is that Zywiec Porter is not brewed in Zywiec anymore but
> in Cieszyn under the same name (they also brew a nice regional lager -
> Brackie).
>
> A list of porters in Poland to look for is:
>
> Krajan - Porter
> Ciechanow - Porter
> Staropolskie - Porter
> BOSS - Porter
>
> all above approx 18 BLG
>
> (Cieszyn) - Zywiec Porter
> Lodzkie - Porter
> Strzelec/Brok, Porter
>
> all above approx 22 BLG
>
> And also Okocim Porter, that Carlsberg decided to keep away from Polish
> porter drinkers :/
>
> BTW, if someone travelling to Poland will need some info on Polish beer
> - please let me know, I'll try to help.
>
> cheers!
>
> art [at] browar.biz
>
>
> --
> ART
>
> Browar.biz - Polski Serwis Piwny: http://www.browar.biz/
>

Bill Coleman Wrote:
> I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn which has a large Polish
> community. I see the Zywiec Porter and Boss Porter (called
> Black Boss) all over the place here, in little bodega grocery stores,
> though never in bars. A few years back, in addition to the Okocim
> Porter (which I still haven't seen return here in NY) there was also
> Dojlidy Porter, which I also remember as being quite good. Is that
> also no longer being made?
>
> Bill Coleman
>

I'm sorry Bill, Dojlidy was one of my favorite porters, but it's no
longer brewed for over 18 months or so When SABMiller (Kompania
Piowarska) took over the brewery in Bialystok (Dojlidy) they threw out
all brands from the Dojlidy portfolio leaving only Zubr (a lager
without much character) and for some time a cheap brand for a discount
market.

The list of porters i mentioned earlier is a complete one (sigh). at
least for now.

Cheers!

art [at] browar.biz


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ART

Browar.biz - Polski Serwis Piwny: http://www.browar.biz/

"ART" > wrote in message
...
>
> Bill Coleman Wrote:
>> I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn which has a large Polish
>> community. I see the Zywiec Porter and Boss Porter (called
>> Black Boss) all over the place here, in little bodega grocery stores,
>> though never in bars. A few years back, in addition to the Okocim
>> Porter (which I still haven't seen return here in NY) there was also
>> Dojlidy Porter, which I also remember as being quite good. Is that
>> also no longer being made?
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>
> I'm sorry Bill, Dojlidy was one of my favorite porters, but it's no
> longer brewed for over 18 months or so When SABMiller (Kompania
> Piowarska) took over the brewery in Bialystok (Dojlidy) they threw out
> all brands from the Dojlidy portfolio leaving only Zubr (a lager
> without much character) and for some time a cheap brand for a discount
> market.
>
> The list of porters i mentioned earlier is a complete one (sigh). at
> least for now.
>
> Cheers!
>
> art [at] browar.biz
>
>
> --
> ART
>
> Browar.biz - Polski Serwis Piwny: http://www.browar.biz/

I'm very sorry to hear that. Well, I'll keep looking around for some old
bottles.
In my experience this stuff ages very well! I once had a bottle of Okocim
porter that was at least 20 years old and it was great...

Bill
>

Bill Coleman Wrote:
> I'm very sorry to hear that. Well, I'll keep looking around for some
> old
> bottles.
> In my experience this stuff ages very well! I once had a bottle of
> Okocim
> porter that was at least 20 years old and it was great...
>
> Bill

that's true. year after year a baltic porter gets better and better.
its strenght and body lets it age well.

I still have a bottle of a superb Polish porter from Wroclaw - Piast
Porter (the botlle is over 5 or 6 yrs old now). In my cellar is also to
find some porters from Warsaw, Bia³ystok and the original porter from
the ¯ywiec brewery as well as some of the more fresh ones brewed in
Poland.

cheers!

art [at] browar.biz


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ART

Browar.biz - Polski Serwis Piwny: http://www.browar.biz/

ART a écrit :

>I'm sorry Bill, Dojlidy was one of my favorite porters, but it's no
>longer brewed for over 18 months or so When SABMiller (Kompania
>Piowarska) took over the brewery in Bialystok (Dojlidy) they threw out
>all brands from the Dojlidy portfolio leaving only Zubr (a lager
>without much character) and for some time a cheap brand for a discount
>market.
>
>
That's a crying shame. ((
Back in 2000, I had both Dojlidy Porter and Magnat, and enjoyed both
very much. The Porter had a very nice maple/walnut edge in its chocolaty
maltiness, and that really made it a unique beer !


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Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland

ART a écrit :

>Laurent, Browary Warszawskie no longer exist as well as their
>essentional Porter (i still have some bottles in my cellar). All thanks
>to Heineken/BBAG.
>
>
All right, thanks for the info. ((
The site is still obviously used as a distribution depot, though...

Cheers !

Laurent


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Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland

"ART" > wrote in message
...
> I'm sorry Bill, Dojlidy was one of my favorite porters, but it's no
> longer brewed for over 18 months or so When SABMiller (Kompania
> Piowarska) took over the brewery in Bialystok (Dojlidy) they threw out
> all brands from the Dojlidy portfolio leaving only Zubr (a lager
> without much character) and for some time a cheap brand for a discount
> market.

DAMMIT! Thanks for the news, ART, it's bad news, but it confirms our
suspicions.


--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

I haven't found their Porter, but I've seen bottles of the Dojily Magnat
around
the corner from my house. I'll have to check it out.

Bill

===============

"The Submarine Captain" > wrote in message
...
> ART a écrit :
>
>>I'm sorry Bill, Dojlidy was one of my favorite porters, but it's no
>>longer brewed for over 18 months or so When SABMiller (Kompania
>>Piowarska) took over the brewery in Bialystok (Dojlidy) they threw out
>>all brands from the Dojlidy portfolio leaving only Zubr (a lager
>>without much character) and for some time a cheap brand for a discount
>>market.
> That's a crying shame. ((
> Back in 2000, I had both Dojlidy Porter and Magnat, and enjoyed both very
> much. The Porter had a very nice maple/walnut edge in its chocolaty
> maltiness, and that really made it a unique beer !
>
>
> --
> Warning : you may encounter French language beyond this point.
>
> Bon, écoute, je te dessine la boîte, ton berger et dedans ! Attends, et là
> je te fais la clef pour ouvrir la boîte ! (F'murrr)
>
> Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland