Miller 1855
 

I'm not a big fan of mass produced crap, except Icehouse is ok. Have you
tried the Miller 1855 lager? It has some flavor and I actually like it.
Why does this have to be a limited edition beer? What if sales are good,
will they just pull it anyway?

I would recommend to Miller that 1855 replace 'High life' as the
signature beer. But then again I realize that the average consumer has
no appreciation for what beer actually tastes like. Don't most people
buy Bud and Coors for it's water-like quality? They have savvy
advertisements that turn people into zombies that in turn, buy that crap
unconsciously. Coors ads tell you that you are a pussy if you order an
import, but if you drink Coors light, you will have young girls clawing
for you. Proof that advertising works on the masses. Are the masses that
stupid? Budweiser is brewed for 3 days. The advertise Bud select as
taking is time with a clock (not a calendar) in the foreground. If real
beer takes 2 weeks to fully brew, what does a few more hours matter? It
makes for a convincing commercial.

I just don't get it. These rednecks who love Budweiser think imports are
nasty across the board. So I assume they don't like beer, however they
will guzzle mass produced imitation beer product because it's cool and
will get them drunk after drinking 30 of them. Some people claim to
enjoy Coors light. A Sam Adams will gag them, they can not finish it.
Budweiser drinkers also say that beer is no good with food. WHAT? I
think matching the right beer with the right food is better than
matching wine.

Something I accidentally discovered a couple weeks ago, We had Ritz
crackers topped with sharp cheddar and a splub of yellow mustard,,,,,
wash that down with a Molson Ice. It must have been the mustard that
complimented the Molson. Something was happening there. Another one that
comes to mind is a pizza with lots of meat on it, very tasty with Anchor
Steam.

Before I ramble forever, what is the basic human malfunction that
compels people to drink garbage like Bud?

Miller 1855
 

Jim Wild wrote:

> I'm not a big fan of mass produced crap, except Icehouse is ok.

Yeah, right.

> Are the masses that
> stupid?

Yes. Why do you ask.

> Budweiser is brewed for 3 days.

I feel really privileged to know that an Anheuser-Busch insider is
posting true and factual details about their brewing processes here. Do
tell more.

> If real
> beer takes 2 weeks to fully brew, what does a few more hours matter?

Two weeks? I've had beers that take 90 days or longer. So?

> These rednecks who love Budweiser think imports are
> nasty across the board.

You've done a marketing demographic study on this, then? Wow. You
really *are* an industry insider. So impressive.

> Some people claim to
> enjoy Coors light.

Um, that's because some people *do* enjoy Coors Light, sport. Simply
because many of us don't doesn't mean it's not possible to enjoy the
stuff.

> A Sam Adams will gag them, they can not finish it.

Another demographic study! I'm flabbergasted! I can just see the
headlines now: "Colorado college co-ed chokes to death on Samuel
Adams Lager - Film at 11!"

> Budweiser drinkers also say that beer is no good with food.

Dang. Really? Geez. I'd better go back and tell somebody how fulla
crap he was then. He hosted a great dinner and actually had the nerve
to serve Anheuser-Busch products. Can you imagine?!?!?!?! Not only
that, but **** me sideways with a chain saw if he didn't actually seem
to know what he was talking about. Yep, those Anheuser-Busch brew-
masters are a funny bunch, they is.

> WHAT? I
> think matching the right beer with the right food is better than
> matching wine.

Whoa. A new discovery! Must... follow... along... in... hymnal.
Sing it, bro!

> Something I accidentally discovered a couple weeks ago, We had Ritz
> crackers topped with sharp cheddar and a splub of yellow mustard,,,,,
> wash that down with a Molson Ice.

Oh dear. Waitaminnit. Up there at the top of your post, you said:

> I'm not a big fan of mass produced crap

And yet here you are, washing down a mass-produced crap cracker with
mass-produced crap beer. Granted, you could have an extra-strong crack
stash that you dip into regularly and actually believe that Molson
beers are somehow not "mass produced crap," but somehow, I'm just not
buying that. I'll just hope that the sharp cheddar wasn't Kraft and
the yellow mustard wasn't French's.

> Before I ramble forever,

Oh please, don't stop. I could read this stuff for days.

> what is the basic human malfunction that
> compels people to drink garbage like Bud?

Just guessing here, but it seems awfully similar to the one that thinks
Molson Ice isn't crap. HTH. HAND.

Keep posting, though. It beats actually learning something about beer.
--
dgs

Miller 1855
 

Jim Wild > wrote:
>Budweiser is brewed for 3 days.

Depends on your definition of "brewed." IIRC it takes something
like 22 days for Budweiser to go from ingredients to packaged beer.
I personally use the word "brewed" to only encompass the time
it takes me to go from ingredients to wort in the fermenter. FWIW.
--
Joel Plutchak "Too often, our cultural emphasis on freedom and individual
plutchak@[...] rights gets taken to the extreme, becoming a kind of selfish
entitlement that undermines our ability to function as a
civil community.€�

Miller 1855~Plut
 

I did mean the actual brewing time. I heard AB was always quick to get
product to market. Cook it 3 days, pump in artificial carbonation, can
it, sell it to rednecks.

Bud IS the king of beer (SALES) But you must agree, the beer itself is
tasteless crap. Not as bad as Coors Light, but almost as bad. Savvy
advertising is the key. I could sell my own **** if I advertised like
AB. There is a reason the masses buy that stuff.

If you actually attest to Bud, you must work for them. Bud fans scream
about their freshness at the point of comsumption. Because they have the
strickest standards. I will not deny that they do. I have been to Busch
Gardens 200 times, next to the factory. Bud out of the plant is fresh,
however still has no flavor, no body, nothing! A typical factory beer.
Even Miller has a hint of taste. But Bud is the dullest crap I ever
tasted besides the silver bullet of coarse. How does anyone justify Bud?
Like I said. you must work there.

Jim

Miller 1855~Plut
 

Jim Wild > wrote:
:
: Bud IS the king of beer (SALES) But you must agree, the beer itself is
: tasteless crap. Not as bad as Coors Light, but almost as bad. Savvy
: advertising is the key. I could sell my own **** if I advertised like
: AB. There is a reason the masses buy that stuff.
:

I beg to disagree. Budweiser does have a taste -- there is a flavor
produced by acetaldehyde that makes it taste like green apples. Some
people aren't sensitive to it, others are. It's acceptable for the
style:

http://www.bjcp.org/styles04/Category1.html#style1B

Coor's Light is not bad either, for the style. I attended a BJCP study
group for the American Lager style and we judged Coor's, Miller and Bud
Lite beers -- Coor's got slightly higher marks from most of the prople
in attendance and the comments in support of that stance were simply
that it is a bit cleaner than the others. We tasted them blind, by the
way. The minimal off flavors produced by the corn in Bud and Rice in
Miller made a difference.

http://www.bjcp.org/styles04/Category1.html

Here's the thing, Jim. You get to choose to not drink American Lagers
if they don't float your boat, but it's a perfectly valid style for
homebrewers and commercial brewers to work with. It's a difficult style
to work with because it's so apparent when you screw up. Off flavors
have nowhere to hide.

In addition, devotees of the style tend to have fairly sophisticated
palates in terms of their ability to detect slight variations in these
beers. Don't be so quick to knock those "Rednecks" -- and Never NEVER
try to run a cold can of Coors in on a Bud drinker. The point here is
that these megabrewers need to maintain consistency from one batch to
the next using geographically diverse facilities. These beers don't
change from year to year either, despite the changes in growing
conditions that produce slight variations in the raw grain and hops that
are available. Think about what it takes to do that.

Like you, I personally don't volunteer much of my shelf space to
American Lagers be they megabrewed or craft brewed, but if someone else
wants to drink them I find myself compelled to respect the artisanal
excellence that goes into the production of these beers.

--
Bill
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Miller 1855~Plut
 

Jim Wild wrote:

> I did mean the actual brewing time. I heard AB was always quick to get
> product to market. Cook it 3 days, pump in artificial carbonation, can
> it, sell it to rednecks.

You might want to compare "what you heard" with, um, fact. Like the
kind you get from talking with an actual A-B staff brewmaster, for
instance.

BTW, all mass-produced filtered beer - Miller, Bud, Coors, Molson,
Labatt, Heineken, Corona, all of it - has "artificial" carbonation
"pumped in." Well, except the carbonation is more natural than
"artificial" - much of it is recaptured during fermentation for use
in final packaging. Funny how that works. If you completely filter
a beer prior to packaging, you have to introduce some means of
carbonation, and mass-producers find force-carbonation to be more
efficient and consistent than bottle conditioning.

> Bud IS the king of beer (SALES) But you must agree, the beer itself is
> tasteless crap.

I agree only that that Budweiser has very low thresholds of hop flavors,
which is deliberate, and very light flavor and body. Not tasteless,
although to someone accustomed to, say, lots of Polish porters and
American IPAs, it might seem that way.

The control and precision employed to get Budweiser to be what it is
is a marvel of process engineering. You don't put that much effort
into a product to make "crap," no matter what your opinion is of the
stuff.

> If you actually attest to Bud, you must work for them.

Don't get out much, do ya? Don't work for A-B, never have, likely
never will, but then, I don't do the beersnob wannabe thing either.

You might want to go look up "perspective" in the dictionary. You
clearly could use some. I don't care much for stuff like Bud, but
then, I don't give a phlying phuc about Miller (including "1855")
lagers, Pabst, Coors, Molson, Labatt's, or Corona either. So? Their
existence in the marketplace doesn't diminish my experience one little
bit.

> How does anyone justify Bud?

A-B owns 50% of the market in the USA, and sells boatloads elsewhere,
too. That's how.

> Like I said. you must work there.

Dude. The crack pipe. Quit refilling it, just once, m'kay?
--
dgs

Miller 1855~Plut
 

Jim Wild > wrote:
>I did mean the actual brewing time. I heard AB was always quick to get
>product to market. Cook it 3 days, pump in artificial carbonation, can
>it, sell it to rednecks.

You're wrong.

>If you actually attest to Bud, you must work for thema

You're wrong.
--
Joel Plutchak "Too often, our cultural emphasis on freedom and individual
plutchak@[...] rights gets taken to the extreme, becoming a kind of selfish
entitlement that undermines our ability to function as a
civil community.€�

Miller 1855
 

"Jim Wild" > wrote in message
...
> I'm not a big fan of mass produced crap, except Icehouse is ok. Have you
> tried the Miller 1855 lager? It has some flavor and I actually like it.
> Why does this have to be a limited edition beer? What if sales are good,
> will they just pull it anyway?
>
> I would recommend to Miller that 1855 replace 'High life' as the
> signature beer.

I just tried a bottle of 1855 and my conclusion? I like the High Life better
but it's still quite quaffable.