Beer Snobbery
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Rank your 5 top choices for beer, and if it is somthing hard to get give us
some insight.

Here is my humble list:

1: Black Angus Oatmeal Stout from Lafayette Brewing Company
2: Murphy's Irish Stout
3: Guinness
4: Thirsty Dog: Leg Humper Porter (Chumley's; I havent been able to find it
in a store)
5: Skull Spliter Ale (Chumleys; Also also ast www.samswine.com)

David Chang wrote in :

> Beer Snobbery
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> ---------
>
> Rank your 5 top choices for beer, and if it is somthing hard to get
> give us some insight.
>
> Here is my humble list:
>
> 1: Black Angus Oatmeal Stout from Lafayette Brewing Company
> 2: Murphy's Irish Stout
> 3: Guinness
> 4: Thirsty Dog: Leg Humper Porter (Chumley's; I havent been able to
> find it in a store)
> 5: Skull Spliter Ale (Chumleys; Also also ast www.samswine.com)
>
>
>
>

</lurk>

1. Rochefort #10
2. Westmalle Dubbel
3. Dogfish Head Raison D' Etre
4. Old Dominion Oak Barrel Stout
5. Great Lakes Eliot Ness

DB

<lurk>

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David Chang wrote:
> Beer Snobbery
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Rank your 5 top choices for beer, and if it is somthing hard to get give us
> some insight.
>
> Here is my humble list:
>
> 1: Black Angus Oatmeal Stout from Lafayette Brewing Company
> 2: Murphy's Irish Stout
> 3: Guinness
> 4: Thirsty Dog: Leg Humper Porter (Chumley's; I havent been able to find it
> in a store)
> 5: Skull Spliter Ale (Chumleys; Also also ast www.samswine.com)
>
>
>


not in any particular order:

Westie, Rochefort, just about anything from Bamberg,
't Ij bok, Alt style from Duesseldorf.

[and then Czech micro breweries but to drink their
nice beers you will have to travel. or Innis &
Gunn, now being exported to a handful of countries.]

cheers <---- girl beer fan

>Beer Snobbery
[snip]

Why is listing your top 5 beers beer snobbery? Is listing the top 5
vegetables you like "Veggie Snobbery"? Would it only be veggie snobbery
if I listed broccoli as number one and everyone else derided me for it?

_Randal

"David Chang" > schreef in bericht
...
> Beer Snobbery
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Rank your 5 top choices for beer, and if it is somthing hard to get give
> us
> some insight.
>
> Here is my humble list:
>
> 1: Black Angus Oatmeal Stout from Lafayette Brewing Company
> 2: Murphy's Irish Stout
> 3: Guinness
> 4: Thirsty Dog: Leg Humper Porter (Chumley's; I havent been able to find
> it
> in a store)
> 5: Skull Spliter Ale (Chumleys; Also also ast www.samswine.com)
>
>

3 Fonteinen Framboos, Cantillon Vigneronne, Cantillon Lou Pepe Framboise, 3
Fonteinen J&J Oude Gueuze "Blauw" and Russian River Supplication - in no
particular order. Orval should be there somewhere too.

Randal wrote:

>>Beer Snobbery
>
> [snip]
>
> Why is listing your top 5 beers beer snobbery? Is listing the top 5
> vegetables you like "Veggie Snobbery"? Would it only be veggie snobbery
> if I listed broccoli as number one and everyone else derided me for it?

According to at least one person with whom I've discussed such things,
if you prefer a pub with a good range of craft beers on tap to, say,
Bud Light, you're a beer snob.

Snobbery is in the taste (or lack thereof) of the beholder, apparently.
--
dgs

Joris Pattyn wrote:

> "David Chang" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>
>>Beer Snobbery
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Rank your 5 top choices for beer, and if it is somthing hard to get give
>>us
>>some insight.
>>
>>Here is my humble list:
>>
>>1: Black Angus Oatmeal Stout from Lafayette Brewing Company
>>2: Murphy's Irish Stout
>>3: Guinness
>>4: Thirsty Dog: Leg Humper Porter (Chumley's; I havent been able to find
>>it
>>in a store)
>>5: Skull Spliter Ale (Chumleys; Also also ast www.samswine.com)
>>
>>
>
>
> 3 Fonteinen Framboos, Cantillon Vigneronne, Cantillon Lou Pepe Framboise, 3
> Fonteinen J&J Oude Gueuze "Blauw" and Russian River Supplication - in no
> particular order. Orval should be there somewhere too.

Hmm.

3 Fonteinen Schaerbeekse Kriek, Cantillon St-Lamvinus, Schlenkerla
Ur-Bock, Full Sail Black Gold Bourbon-Barrel Imperial Stout, and Silver
City Whoop Pass Imperial IPA.

At least for today, anyway. I'm already regretting not including
Ritterguts Leipziger Gose in the list.
--
dgs

Random order:

Diamond Knot IPA
Redhook ESB
Windmer Hefeweizen
Shiner Kolsch
Summit Maibock


"David Chang" > wrote in message
...
> Beer Snobbery
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Rank your 5 top choices for beer, and if it is somthing hard to get give
> us
> some insight.
>
> Here is my humble list:
>
> 1: Black Angus Oatmeal Stout from Lafayette Brewing Company
> 2: Murphy's Irish Stout
> 3: Guinness
> 4: Thirsty Dog: Leg Humper Porter (Chumley's; I havent been able to find
> it
> in a store)
> 5: Skull Spliter Ale (Chumleys; Also also ast www.samswine.com)
>
>
>

dgs wrote:
> Randal wrote:
>
>>> Beer Snobbery
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Why is listing your top 5 beers beer snobbery? Is listing the top 5
>> vegetables you like "Veggie Snobbery"? Would it only be veggie snobbery
>> if I listed broccoli as number one and everyone else derided me for it?
>
>
> According to at least one person with whom I've discussed such things,
> if you prefer a pub with a good range of craft beers on tap to, say,
> Bud Light, you're a beer snob.
>
> Snobbery is in the taste (or lack thereof) of the beholder, apparently.

And some of the worst "beer snobs" are those who only drink one brand of
beer (often Budweiser, Miller Lite, Coors Light, Heineken, Corona,
etc.), many times will accept it ONLY in a certain container (CANS
only!) and ridicule anyone who drinks anything else. They also find it
hilarious that someone would drink a beer with a wacky name and a funny
cartoon animal on the label (Sea Dog? Sly Fox? River Horse?)-
sometimes I gotta agree with 'em on the last point....

wrote:
> dgs wrote:
>
>> Randal wrote:
>>
>>>> Beer Snobbery
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Why is listing your top 5 beers beer snobbery? Is listing the top 5
>>> vegetables you like "Veggie Snobbery"? Would it only be veggie snobbery
>>> if I listed broccoli as number one and everyone else derided me for it?
>>
>>
>>
>> According to at least one person with whom I've discussed such things,
>> if you prefer a pub with a good range of craft beers on tap to, say,
>> Bud Light, you're a beer snob.
>>
>> Snobbery is in the taste (or lack thereof) of the beholder, apparently.
>
>
> And some of the worst "beer snobs" are those who only drink one brand of
> beer (often Budweiser, Miller Lite, Coors Light, Heineken, Corona,
> etc.), many times will accept it ONLY in a certain container (CANS
> only!) and ridicule anyone who drinks anything else. They also find it
> hilarious that someone would drink a beer with a wacky name and a funny
> cartoon animal on the label (Sea Dog? Sly Fox? River Horse?)-
> sometimes I gotta agree with 'em on the last point....
>

Funny how a “beer snob” is the guy that drinks about 100 different
beers, including a Budweiser if it is handed to him on a hot sunny day.

You hit that dead on, the only real beer snobs I have ever known, drank
mega lagers.

A long, long time ago, Scott Kaczorowski wrote:

> [1] [2] Do the upside-down mash thing. Step up dregs from
> Cantillon anything. Pitch. Wait one year on primary. Bingo -
> you have hard 'beek indistinguishable from Cantillon. Add fruit
> if you must (pun). Yar. You've got five gallons of marinade
> on your hands. You're a half-step away from a boutique vinegar
> shack out back. Impress your buddies. Call Lew. Feh.

Since nobody took Scott's bait, I'll just have to agree with him.
Monodimensional dreck. Hey, it's sour. Whoopee.

Discuss. If not for me and Scott, do it for Jason.

Jon Binkley > wrote:
>A long, long time ago, Scott Kaczorowski wrote:
>> [1] [2] Do the upside-down mash thing. Step up dregs from
>> Cantillon anything. Pitch. Wait one year on primary. Bingo -
>> you have hard 'beek indistinguishable from Cantillon. Add fruit
>> if you must (pun). Yar. You've got five gallons of marinade
>> on your hands. You're a half-step away from a boutique vinegar
>> shack out back. Impress your buddies. Call Lew. Feh.
>
>Since nobody took Scott's bait, I'll just have to agree with him.
>Monodimensional dreck. Hey, it's sour. Whoopee.
>
>Discuss.


I shared a bottle of Cantillon Gueuze (sp?) with some
people Friday evening, including a certain recent "wild
beer" author. Informed assertion: it was not mono-
dimensionally sour. There was depth and breadth. It was
appreciated by most.
I agree that some vintages of some of their beers have
been monodimensionally acetic. Hey, IAVB,M by its very
nature.

>If not for me and Scott, do it for Jason.

I did it for you and Scott. Who's Jason?
--
Joel Plutchak

"...illiterate Abyssinians did it for 5000 years, you can do it too."
- Guy Gregory on brewing beer

ers (Joel) wrote on 04 Jun 2006:
> Jon Binkley > wrote:
>>Since nobody took Scott's bait, I'll just have to agree with him.
>>Monodimensional dreck. Hey, it's sour. Whoopee.
>>
>>Discuss.
>
> I shared a bottle of Cantillon Gueuze (sp?)

Acceptable. You can also leave off the first 'u'. Carry on.

> with some
> people Friday evening, including a certain recent "wild
> beer" author. Informed assertion: it was not mono-
> dimensionally sour. There was depth and breadth. It was
> appreciated by most.
> I agree that some vintages of some of their beers have
> been monodimensionally acetic. Hey, IAVB,M by its very
> nature.

Agree with the kitchen microbiologist, not the one paid for it.
There's a lot more going on with Cantillon, indeed many lambics and
gueuze currently imported into the US, than meets the wooden pallet
[sic]. Sure, the 2002 unblended lambic on tap a couple weeks back
was teetering into astringent 1D-land, but the 2003 and the others
I've had recently show some actual honest-to-goodness complexity. A
little citrus (orange, lemon), some other fruitiness, a warmth and
surprisingly fuller mouthfeel than you might expect from your Heinz
White bottle in the back of the cupboard.

>>If not for me and Scott, do it for Jason.
>
> I did it for you and Scott. Who's Jason?

Think he died a few years back 'round that Camp up by Crystal Lake.
They say it was his mom what did it.

Witzel

I had it once at a boutiquey beer bar a fair walk from center in Brussels
served in a wicker basket. It was like being beaten about the face with a
foam fungo bat till it makes you pucker and wince. It taught me the essence
of sour complexity (that was the heart of the Berliner Weisse that my
grandfather would rarely drink neat, but which most other Berliners would
take with the Raspberry or Waldmeister syrup) that probably also constitutes
the Leipzig Gose style, which I have never had. Since then I enjoy lambics
a bunch (which directly parallel the Berliner Weisse with syrup, but are far
more blessed) and will never forget that first Cantillon.

"Jon Binkley" > wrote in
oups.com:

> A long, long time ago, Scott Kaczorowski wrote:
>
>> [1] [2] Do the upside-down mash thing. Step up dregs
>> from Cantillon anything. Pitch. Wait one year on
>> primary. Bingo - you have hard 'beek indistinguishable
>> from Cantillon. Add fruit if you must (pun). Yar.
>> You've got five gallons of marinade on your hands. You're
>> a half-step away from a boutique vinegar shack out back.
>> Impress your buddies. Call Lew. Feh.
>
> Since nobody took Scott's bait,

I'm the master...oh, crap.

FWIW, I stand by my upside-down assertion. If you like
Cantillon, you can make Cantillon for far fewer drachmas than
$15/750ml. Try pitching some Brett if you think it will make
a difference. I did. It didn't. Twice. Feh.

> I'll just have to agree
> with him. Monodimensional dreck. Hey, it's sour. Whoopee.

Not sour, but hard. Lactic in large quantities I can handle.
But vinegar is vinegar. Cantillon has such a following -
Part of my "we're beer geeks and think we should like it"
theory.

Joel says he got a good bottle of the Gooz(ah) (rhymes with
"cursor"). That's fine, I believe him, but I gave up on
Cantillon a long time ago.



Scott

Scott Kaczorowski > wrote:
>Cantillon has such a following - Part of my "we're beer geeks
>and think we should like it" theory.

There's always some of that going on with any beer.
I like to think I'm usually above (below?) that. For
instance, I will readily 'fess up to not liking beers
that a lot of beergeeks fawn over, like Allegash Curieux
and Avery The Beast.

>Joel says he got a good bottle of the Gooz(ah) (rhymes with
>"cursor"). That's fine, I believe him, but I gave up on
>Cantillon a long time ago.

See, that's where I think you're doing the brewery
a disservice. Lambics by their very nature are variable
beers, so I'd expect it to change at least to some extent
over the years, or from year to year. I do think a lot
of Cantillon is mono-dimensional (the Kriek in particular),
but am willing to buy a few bottles each year to check in
on it. In the case of the Gueuze (I looked up the correct
spelling this time) I'm very glad I did.
--
Joel Plutchak

"...illiterate Abyssinians did it for 5000 years, you can do it too."
- Guy Gregory on brewing beer

ers (Joel) wrote in news:e6c1ip$na3$1
@badger.ncsa.uiuc.edu:

> Scott Kaczorowski > wrote:
>
>>Joel says he got a good bottle of the Gooz(ah) (rhymes with
>>"cursor"). That's fine, I believe him, but I gave up on
>>Cantillon a long time ago.
>
> See, that's where I think you're doing the brewery
> a disservice. Lambics by their very nature are variable
> beers, so I'd expect it to change at least to some extent
> over the years, or from year to year.

You're right, of course. It may depend on the last rain, or
whether or not the bats are mating, or the temperature
three/fifteen/two hundred days after "pitching", or...

I've just been so consistently disappointed in Pierre that I've
given up. Probably a mistake.



Scott

"Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
...

> I've just been so consistently disappointed in Pierre that I've
> given up. Probably a mistake.

I have had some really great Cantillons. But to be honest, I haven't found
them to be as consistently impressive as others. I've rarely been
disappointed in Drie Fontainen or Girardin, and before they went under, Oud
Beersel was consistently good with moments of greatness as well. Ditto
Hanssen's and Boon.

Now, most of those are blenders. It should be easier to come up with
something consistently good.

Cantillon, when you get a great one, is outstanding. I just have found it
more difficult to find one compared to others.

-Steve

Steve Jackson wrote:

> I have had some really great Cantillons. But to be honest, I haven't found
> them to be as consistently impressive as others. I've rarely been
> disappointed in Drie Fontainen or Girardin, and before they went under, Oud
> Beersel was consistently good with moments of greatness as well. Ditto
> Hanssen's and Boon.

Prepare to be happy: Oud Beersel is being revived. The brand had
already been revived/preserved by Frank Boon, but now a couple of
entrepreneurs have come in to revive the Oud Beersel cafe and probably
will do some of their own blending (IIRC).

> Now, most of those are blenders. It should be easier to come up with
> something consistently good.

The only one of those you mention that is exclusively a blender is
Hanssen. Drie Fonteinen has a small brewery and also blends. Girardin
and Boon both brew.

The only other lambic maker that blends exclusively is De Cam.

> Cantillon, when you get a great one, is outstanding. I just have found it
> more difficult to find one compared to others.

Yep. Had a superb Lou Pepe Gueuze a couple of Fridays ago. Not at all
one-dimensional. I've also had good luck with the St. Lamvinus.

But for consistent lambic happiness, I've been pretty pleased with Drie
Fonteienen, especially the Schaerbeekse Kriek I had a few weeks ago.
--
dgs

Scott Kaczorowski > wrote:
(Joel) wrote in news:e6c1ip$na3$1
:
>
>> Scott Kaczorowski > wrote:
>>
>>>Joel says he got a good bottle of the Gooz(ah) (rhymes with
>>>"cursor"). That's fine, I believe him, but I gave up on
>>>Cantillon a long time ago.
>>
>> See, that's where I think you're doing the brewery
>> a disservice. Lambics by their very nature are variable
>> beers, so I'd expect it to change at least to some extent
>> over the years, or from year to year.
>
>You're right, of course. It may depend on the last rain, or
>whether or not the bats are mating, or the temperature
>three/fifteen/two hundred days after "pitching", or...
>
>I've just been so consistently disappointed in Pierre that I've
>given up. Probably a mistake.

Eh, or not. If 95% of the time you are disappointed,
I'm not sure I would keep trying for that 1 in 20 complex
beer.
--
Joel Plutchak

"Things deserve to get stirred up." - Michael Balzary

"dgs" > wrote in message
...

> Prepare to be happy: Oud Beersel is being revived.

That is excellent news.

> The only one of those you mention that is exclusively a blender is
> Hanssen. Drie Fonteinen has a small brewery and also blends. Girardin
> and Boon both brew.

I had thought that Boon was just a blender, too. Did he start brewing at a
later date?

-Steve

Steve Jackson wrote:

> "dgs" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>Prepare to be happy: Oud Beersel is being revived.
>
>
> That is excellent news.

There will probably be more about this as it progresses.

>>The only one of those you mention that is exclusively a blender is
>>Hanssen. Drie Fonteinen has a small brewery and also blends. Girardin
>>and Boon both brew.
>
>
> I had thought that Boon was just a blender, too. Did he start brewing at a
> later date?

Yes. Frank Boon added a brewery, and now Boon has emerged as one of the
primary suppliers of wort and blending lambics. Hanssens and De Cam are
the only two left that exclusively blend. With the dwindling number of
lambic brewers left, that's probably about as many as can be supported.

I've visited the Boon brewery and aging cellar(s). Got to go through
the brewery right at the end of a wort boil, with steam everywhere,
very dense and foggy, making climbing the steps up to the grain storage
and mill at the top of the brewhouse rather interesting. Most of the
facility is still taken up with a *lot* of oak barrels and racks of
bottles.
--
dgs

"Steve Jackson" > wrote in
newsZZig.1514$h46.55@trnddc07:

> "Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I've just been so consistently disappointed in Pierre that
>> I've given up. Probably a mistake.
>
> I have had some really great Cantillons. But to be honest,
> I haven't found them to be as consistently impressive as
> others.

Consistency is not something I look for in a Lambic - Joel is
splot on about that. But something that is drinkable more
often than not...If it didn't come out well that year, market
it as vinegar.

> Cantillon, when you get a great one, is outstanding.

I've not had one of those.

Hanssen's and Oud Beersel (both hand-carried by friends
neither of which were you or the dip**** Shite)...some of the
most exquisite beer I've ever had. Cantillon - I'm tellin'
ya, if you like it you can make gallons of it.

'Member that Rose d' Gammie I had at Naja's? I'll have to go
ahead and admit that it didn't suck. Outstanding? Not even
close. But enjoyable. Like most of what I say here and
elsewhere, I ordered the RdG just to check in and it did not
suck. But there wasn't a whole lot to it. Hard yes, fruit
evident... Not so bad and a relative bargain as I remember
at $12/750ml.



Splot

> Eh, or not. If 95% of the time you are disappointed,
> I'm not sure I would keep trying for that 1 in 20 complex
> beer.

What I'm saying.

And yet...You are after that 5%. I defer to you.

But at $15/$18 for a 750ml, I can think of MANY beers at half
that price that I know I will enjoy.

Go nuts.

Let me/us know when my $17 is worth the effort.


Snott

Scott Kaczorowski wrote:

> "Steve Jackson" > wrote in
> newsZZig.1514$h46.55@trnddc07:
>
>>Cantillon, when you get a great one, is outstanding.
>
>
> I've not had one of those.

I have. Lou Pepe. Deal.

> Hanssen's and Oud Beersel (both hand-carried by friends
> neither of which were you or the dip**** Shite)

The dip**** Shite never comes down to L.A., and probably won't any
time ever. Just ain't motivated to. Got other places to go, and
there's only so much time. So the dip**** Shite can't rightly
hand-carry something to someplace he ain't going.

Dunno why it has to be hand-carried, though. I can buy both Hanssen's
and Oud Beersel locally (last stocks of old stuff plus new versions
from Boon), as well as Boon, Cantillon, and Girardin. Lindemans has
gone too far over to the dark side for me to care about as much as I
might have at one time. It would be fine if Mort Subite Oude Gueuze
was around, but it ain't, or St-Louis Selection Lambic, or De Cam
Gueuze or Kriek. I'll have to make my way over to Belgium for those,
I guess.

> ...some of the
> most exquisite beer I've ever had. Cantillon - I'm tellin'
> ya, if you like it you can make gallons of it.

Nah. It's from Belgium. They make it in hectoliters.
--
dgs