Bad news for chocolate. Raises heart rate,
otherwise nothing. :-(


Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
on variables associated with neuropsychological
functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
intact older adults.
Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.

BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
increased interest in the potential health-
related benefits of antioxidant- and
phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.

OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
with neuropsychological functioning and
cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.

DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
products each day for 6 wk.

RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
interactions were found for the
neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
group were significantly higher than those
at baseline and significantly higher than
the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
the control group. Results of a follow-up
questionnaire item on the treatment products
that participants believed they had consumed
during the trial showed that more than half
of the participants in both groups correctly
identified the products that they had
ingested during the experiment.

CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
support the predicted beneficial effects
of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
consumption on any of the neuropsychological
or cardiovascular health-related variables
included in this research. Consumption of
dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
associated with significantly higher pulse
rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Bad news for chocolate. Raises heart rate,
> otherwise nothing. :-(
>
>
> Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
> A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
> trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
> on variables associated with neuropsychological
> functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
> findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
> intact older adults.
> Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
> Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
> University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.
>
> BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
> increased interest in the potential health-
> related benefits of antioxidant- and
> phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.
>
> OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
> examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
> chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
> with neuropsychological functioning and
> cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.
>
> DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
> fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
> used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
> assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
> and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
> sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
> products each day for 6 wk.
>
> RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
> and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
> midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
> interactions were found for the
> neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
> pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
> midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
> assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
> group were significantly higher than those
> at baseline and significantly higher than
> the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
> the control group. Results of a follow-up
> questionnaire item on the treatment products
> that participants believed they had consumed
> during the trial showed that more than half
> of the participants in both groups correctly
> identified the products that they had
> ingested during the experiment.
>
> CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
> support the predicted beneficial effects
> of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
> consumption on any of the neuropsychological
> or cardiovascular health-related variables
> included in this research. Consumption of
> dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
> associated with significantly higher pulse
> rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.


SUPER news for me Mark. I have low blood pressure,
so I need a boost.

Now where did I put that bucket of 72% chocs?

Yum! Yum!

On Apr 25, 2:17*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Bad news for chocolate. *Raises heart rate,
> otherwise nothing. * *:-(
>
> Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
> A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
> trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
> on variables associated with neuropsychological
> functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
> findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
> intact older adults.
> Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
> Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
> University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.
>
> BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
> increased interest in the potential health-
> related benefits of antioxidant- and
> phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.
>
> OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
> examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
> chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
> with neuropsychological functioning and
> cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.
>
> DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
> fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
> used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
> assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
> and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
> sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
> products each day for 6 wk.
>
> RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
> and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
> midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
> interactions were found for the
> neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
> pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
> midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
> assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
> group were significantly higher than those
> at baseline and significantly higher than
> the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
> the control group. Results of a follow-up
> questionnaire item on the treatment products
> that participants believed they had consumed
> during the trial showed that more than half
> of the participants in both groups correctly
> identified the products that they had
> ingested during the experiment.
>
> CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
> support the predicted beneficial effects
> of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
> consumption on any of the neuropsychological
> or cardiovascular health-related variables
> included in this research. Consumption of
> dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
> associated with significantly higher pulse
> rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.

Its good for you, thens its NOT good for you! Heck, a little bit wont
do anyone harm!


On Apr 25, 5:17 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Bad news for chocolate. Raises heart rate,
> otherwise nothing. :-(
>
> Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
> A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
> trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
> on variables associated with neuropsychological
> functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
> findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
> intact older adults.
> Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
> Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
> University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.
>
> BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
> increased interest in the potential health-
> related benefits of antioxidant- and
> phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.
>
> OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
> examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
> chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
> with neuropsychological functioning and
> cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.
>
> DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
> fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
> used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
> assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
> and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
> sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
> products each day for 6 wk.
>
> RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
> and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
> midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
> interactions were found for the
> neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
> pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
> midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
> assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
> group were significantly higher than those
> at baseline and significantly higher than
> the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
> the control group. Results of a follow-up
> questionnaire item on the treatment products
> that participants believed they had consumed
> during the trial showed that more than half
> of the participants in both groups correctly
> identified the products that they had
> ingested during the experiment.
>
> CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
> support the predicted beneficial effects
> of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
> consumption on any of the neuropsychological
> or cardiovascular health-related variables
> included in this research. Consumption of
> dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
> associated with significantly higher pulse
> rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.

On Apr 25, 8:24*pm, |"
> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2:17*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > Bad news for chocolate. *Raises heart rate,
> > otherwise nothing. * *:-(
>
> > Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
> > A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
> > trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
> > on variables associated with neuropsychological
> > functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
> > findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
> > intact older adults.
> > Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
> > Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
> > University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.
>
> > BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
> > increased interest in the potential health-
> > related benefits of antioxidant- and
> > phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.
>
> > OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
> > examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
> > chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
> > with neuropsychological functioning and
> > cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.
>
> > DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
> > fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
> > used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
> > assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
> > and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
> > sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
> > products each day for 6 wk.
>
> > RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
> > and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
> > midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
> > interactions were found for the
> > neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
> > pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
> > midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
> > assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
> > group were significantly higher than those
> > at baseline and significantly higher than
> > the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
> > the control group. Results of a follow-up
> > questionnaire item on the treatment products
> > that participants believed they had consumed
> > during the trial showed that more than half
> > of the participants in both groups correctly
> > identified the products that they had
> > ingested during the experiment.
>
> > CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
> > support the predicted beneficial effects
> > of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
> > consumption on any of the neuropsychological
> > or cardiovascular health-related variables
> > included in this research. Consumption of
> > dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
> > associated with significantly higher pulse
> > rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.

If only poor ate chocolate, it would either be taxed
like tobacco or it would banned and its users
put away for 20 years at least in the great
State of Texas. Chocolate is a soft drug.
Just say No to chocolate.

It speeds the pulse.
It has weak aphordisiac.
It gives a sense of well being.
It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
It alkaloids speed the death of the bone building cells.
It contains white sugar and often milk.
It is even known to contain the deadly peanut at times.


It is a foodstuff only suitable to college aged Democrats and the
Dutch.
Obama and McCain distributed chocolates when they
were younger in order to influence young women.
Were these youthful indiscretions on there parts?
Or where they benefiting from exploited workers of
the third world. TV network news reporters want to know.
During the next election related debate, they will
ask this vital question.

Perhaps in the future Mark Thorson will ask
that chocolate, be made a prescription item.
Perhaps he will hope the research will prove it is suitable for
use in terminal cancer patients only.
And then only after a double blinded cross over study
following the patients unto the end life and provided no
deaths occur during the study should chocolate
products be permitted in the hands of the public by
the all knowing US-FDA..

> Obama and McCain distributed chocolates when they
> were younger in order to influence young women.
> Were these youthful indiscretions on there parts?
> Or where they benefiting from exploited workers of
> the third world. TV network news reporters want to know.
> During the next election related debate, they will
> ask this vital question.



Laughing out loud! Thats was truly funny! BTW, Texas is not great,
Bush is from texas!

On Apr 25, 11:50 pm, |"
> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 8:24 pm, |"
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Apr 25, 2:17 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > > Bad news for chocolate. Raises heart rate,
> > > otherwise nothing. :-(
>
> > > Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
> > > A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
> > > trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
> > > on variables associated with neuropsychological
> > > functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
> > > findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
> > > intact older adults.
> > > Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
> > > Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
> > > University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.
>
> > > BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
> > > increased interest in the potential health-
> > > related benefits of antioxidant- and
> > > phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.
>
> > > OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
> > > examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
> > > chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
> > > with neuropsychological functioning and
> > > cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.
>
> > > DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
> > > fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
> > > used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
> > > assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
> > > and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
> > > sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
> > > products each day for 6 wk.
>
> > > RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
> > > and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
> > > midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
> > > interactions were found for the
> > > neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
> > > pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
> > > midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
> > > assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
> > > group were significantly higher than those
> > > at baseline and significantly higher than
> > > the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
> > > the control group. Results of a follow-up
> > > questionnaire item on the treatment products
> > > that participants believed they had consumed
> > > during the trial showed that more than half
> > > of the participants in both groups correctly
> > > identified the products that they had
> > > ingested during the experiment.
>
> > > CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
> > > support the predicted beneficial effects
> > > of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
> > > consumption on any of the neuropsychological
> > > or cardiovascular health-related variables
> > > included in this research. Consumption of
> > > dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
> > > associated with significantly higher pulse
> > > rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.
>
> If only poor ate chocolate, it would either be taxed
> like tobacco or it would banned and its users
> put away for 20 years at least in the great
> State of Texas. Chocolate is a soft drug.
> Just say No to chocolate.
>
> It speeds the pulse.
> It has weak aphordisiac.
> It gives a sense of well being.
> It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
> It alkaloids speed the death of the bone building cells.
> It contains white sugar and often milk.
> It is even known to contain the deadly peanut at times.
>
> It is a foodstuff only suitable to college aged Democrats and the
> Dutch.
> Obama and McCain distributed chocolates when they
> were younger in order to influence young women.
> Were these youthful indiscretions on there parts?
> Or where they benefiting from exploited workers of
> the third world. TV network news reporters want to know.
> During the next election related debate, they will
> ask this vital question.
>
> Perhaps in the future Mark Thorson will ask
> that chocolate, be made a prescription item.
> Perhaps he will hope the research will prove it is suitable for
> use in terminal cancer patients only.
> And then only after a double blinded cross over study
> following the patients unto the end life and provided no
> deaths occur during the study should chocolate
> products be permitted in the hands of the public by
> the all knowing US-FDA..

On Apr 25, 9:05*pm, Kevysmom > wrote:
> > Obama and McCain distributed chocolates when they
> > were younger in order to influence young women.
> > Were these youthful indiscretions on there parts?
> > Or where they benefiting from exploited workers of
> > the third world. TV network news reporters want to know.
> > During the next election related debate, they will
> > ask this vital question.
>
> Laughing out loud! Thats was truly funny! BTW, Texas is not great,
> Bush is from texas!

I certainly committed enough typos in the riff.
My list of chocolate related effects wasn't a parody but
of course much of the content was parody and a
bit gentle mocking with a number of serious points
to be made. Including what I see as the "logic" of
of Mark's reasonings.


>
> On Apr 25, 11:50 pm, |"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Apr 25, 8:24 pm, |"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Apr 25, 2:17 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > > > Bad news for chocolate. *Raises heart rate,
> > > > otherwise nothing. * *:-(
>
> > > > Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):872-80.
> > > > A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized
> > > > trial of the effects of dark chocolate and cocoa
> > > > on variables associated with neuropsychological
> > > > functioning and cardiovascular health: clinical
> > > > findings from a sample of healthy, cognitively
> > > > intact older adults.
> > > > Crews WD Jr, Harrison DW, Wright JW.
> > > > Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
> > > > University, Blacksburg, VA 24506, USA.
>
> > > > BACKGROUND: In recent years, there has been
> > > > increased interest in the potential health-
> > > > related benefits of antioxidant- and
> > > > phytochemical-rich dark chocolate and cocoa.
>
> > > > OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to
> > > > examine the short-term (6 wk) effects of dark
> > > > chocolate and cocoa on variables associated
> > > > with neuropsychological functioning and
> > > > cardiovascular health in healthy older adults.
>
> > > > DESIGN: A double-blind, placebo-controlled,
> > > > fixed-dose, parallel-group clinical trial was
> > > > used. Participants (n = 101) were randomly
> > > > assigned to receive a 37-g dark chocolate bar
> > > > and 8 ounces (237 mL) of an artificially
> > > > sweetened cocoa beverage or similar placebo
> > > > products each day for 6 wk.
>
> > > > RESULTS: No significant group (dark chocolate
> > > > and cocoa or placebo)-by-trial (baseline,
> > > > midpoint, and end-of-treatment assessments)
> > > > interactions were found for the
> > > > neuropsychological, hematological, or blood
> > > > pressure variables examined. In contrast, the
> > > > midpoint and end-of-treatment mean pulse rate
> > > > assessments in the dark chocolate and cocoa
> > > > group were significantly higher than those
> > > > at baseline and significantly higher than
> > > > the midpoint and end-of-treatment rates in
> > > > the control group. Results of a follow-up
> > > > questionnaire item on the treatment products
> > > > that participants believed they had consumed
> > > > during the trial showed that more than half
> > > > of the participants in both groups correctly
> > > > identified the products that they had
> > > > ingested during the experiment.
>
> > > > CONCLUSIONS: This investigation failed to
> > > > support the predicted beneficial effects
> > > > of short-term dark chocolate and cocoa
> > > > consumption on any of the neuropsychological
> > > > or cardiovascular health-related variables
> > > > included in this research. Consumption of
> > > > dark chocolate and cocoa was, however,
> > > > associated with significantly higher pulse
> > > > rates at 3- and 6-wk treatment assessments.
>
> > If only the poor ate chocolate, it would either be taxed
> > like tobacco or it would banned and its users
> > put away for 20 years at least in the great
> > State of Texas. Chocolate is a soft drug.
> > Just say No to chocolate.
>
> > It speeds the pulse.
> > It has weak aphordisiac properties unsuitable to the masses.
> > It gives a sense of well being.
> > It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
> > It alkaloids speed the death of the bone building cells.
> > It contains white sugar and often milk.
> > It is even known to contain the deadly peanut at times.
>
> > It is a foodstuff only suitable to college aged Democrats and the
> > Dutch.
> > Obama and McCain distributed chocolates when they
> > were younger in order to influence young women.
> > Were these youthful indiscretions on there parts?
> > Or where they benefiting from exploited workers of
> > the third world. TV network news reporters want to know.
> > During the next election related debate, they will
> > ask this vital question.
>
> > Perhaps in the future Mark Thorson will ask
> > that chocolate, be made a prescription item.
> > Perhaps he will hope the research will prove it is suitable for
> > use in terminal cancer patients only.
> > And then only after a double blinded cross over study
> > following the patients unto the end life and provided no
> > deaths occur during the study should chocolate
> > products be permitted in the hands of the public by
> > the all knowing US-FDA..

| wrote:
> It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.

I'm afraid you're getting close to a plonking, Trig. How could AGEs
get into chocolate?

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

On May 3, 5:08*pm, Marshall Price > wrote:
> | wrote:
> > It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
>
> * *I'm afraid you're getting close to a plonking, Trig. *How could AGEs
> get into chocolate?
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Sorry, it is a roasted food. This heating pushes sugar into the act
of glycation with other food components and
products are known Advanced Glycation Endproducts,
if memory serves me.

I get lazy and use acronyms. I'll happily expand on a topic if a
question ask. Provided it doesn't involve too much work.

| wrote:
> On May 3, 5:08 pm, Marshall Price > wrote:
>> | wrote:
>>> It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
>> I'm afraid you're getting close to a plonking, Trig. How could AGEs
>> get into chocolate?
>
> Sorry, it is a roasted food. This heating pushes sugar into the act
> of glycation with other food components and
> products are known Advanced Glycation Endproducts,
> if memory serves me.
>
> I get lazy and use acronyms. I'll happily expand on a topic if a
> question ask. Provided it doesn't involve too much work.

Sorry about the way I reacted.

I think that's the Maillard reaction you're talking about, isn't it?

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Marshall Price wrote:
> | wrote:
>> On May 3, 5:08 pm, Marshall Price > wrote:
>>> | wrote:
>>>> It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
>>> I'm afraid you're getting close to a plonking, Trig. How could AGEs
>>> get into chocolate?
>>
>> Sorry, it is a roasted food. This heating pushes sugar into the act
>> of glycation with other food components and
>> products are known Advanced Glycation Endproducts,
>> if memory serves me.
>>
>> I get lazy and use acronyms. I'll happily expand on a topic if a
>> question ask. Provided it doesn't involve too much work.
>
> Sorry about the way I reacted.
>
> I think that's the Maillard reaction you're talking about, isn't it?
>
But who cares if chocolate is good or bad for one's long term
health as long as it is tasty. Death is inevitable in this very temporary
life so relax and have a nice truffle or other chocolate treat.

Have all the regulars gone off on a world chocolate tour or something
of like nature?

On PBS yesterday there was a great show on chocolate and how the
local chocolatiers are helping the growers all over the world to improve
their crops by teaching them about making chocolate and giving them
equipment so that they can make chocolate and taste what they grow.

later
bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)

--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
--from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

bobbie sellers wrote:
>
> On PBS yesterday there was a great show on chocolate and how the
> local chocolatiers are helping the growers all over the world to improve
> their crops by teaching them about making chocolate and giving them
> equipment so that they can make chocolate and taste what they grow.

That was the show with Dave Guittard on it?
I think that may have been a local KQED-FM show,
not a national PRI show.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> bobbie sellers wrote:
>
>> On PBS yesterday there was a great show on chocolate and how the
>> local chocolatiers are helping the growers all over the world to improve
>> their crops by teaching them about making chocolate and giving them
>> equipment so that they can make chocolate and taste what they grow.
>>
>
> That was the show with Dave Guittard on it?
> I think that may have been a local KQED-FM show,
> not a national PRI show.
>
It may have been local, certes the Guittard family is quite
local. I had to leave on other business before the show was over.

later
bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)

--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
--from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

bobbie sellers wrote:
> Marshall Price wrote:
>> | wrote:
>>> On May 3, 5:08 pm, Marshall Price > wrote:
>>>> | wrote:
>>>>> It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
>>>> I'm afraid you're getting close to a plonking, Trig. How could AGEs
>>>> get into chocolate?
>>> Sorry, it is a roasted food. This heating pushes sugar into the act
>>> of glycation with other food components and
>>> products are known Advanced Glycation Endproducts,
>>> if memory serves me.
>>>
>>> I get lazy and use acronyms. I'll happily expand on a topic if a
>>> question ask. Provided it doesn't involve too much work.
>> Sorry about the way I reacted.
>>
>> I think that's the Maillard reaction you're talking about, isn't it?
>>
> But who cares if chocolate is good or bad for one's long term
> health as long as it is tasty. Death is inevitable in this very temporary
> life so relax and have a nice truffle or other chocolate treat.
>
> Have all the regulars gone off on a world chocolate tour or something
> of like nature?
>
> On PBS yesterday there was a great show on chocolate and how the
> local chocolatiers are helping the growers all over the world to improve
> their crops by teaching them about making chocolate and giving them
> equipment so that they can make chocolate and taste what they grow.
>
> later
> bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)
>

I'm posting in sci.med.nutrition. We discuss nutrition here, and
we're all very interested in what's "good or bad for one's long term
health." There's more to life than "treats," IMHO.

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Marshall Price of Miami
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Marshall Price wrote:
> bobbie sellers wrote:
>> Marshall Price wrote:
>>> | wrote:
>>>> On May 3, 5:08 pm, Marshall Price > wrote:
>>>>> | wrote:
>>>>>> It contains those dangerous Advanced Gylcation Endproducts.
>>>>> I'm afraid you're getting close to a plonking, Trig. How could
>>>>> AGEs
>>>>> get into chocolate?
>>>> Sorry, it is a roasted food. This heating pushes sugar into the act
>>>> of glycation with other food components and
>>>> products are known Advanced Glycation Endproducts,
>>>> if memory serves me.
>>>>
>>>> I get lazy and use acronyms. I'll happily expand on a topic if a
>>>> question ask. Provided it doesn't involve too much work.
>>> Sorry about the way I reacted.
>>>
>>> I think that's the Maillard reaction you're talking about, isn't it?
>>>
>> But who cares if chocolate is good or bad for one's long term
>> health as long as it is tasty. Death is inevitable in this very
>> temporary
>> life so relax and have a nice truffle or other chocolate treat.
>> Have all the regulars gone off on a world chocolate tour or
>> something
>> of like nature?
>>
>> On PBS yesterday there was a great show on chocolate and how the
>> local chocolatiers are helping the growers all over the world to improve
>> their crops by teaching them about making chocolate and giving them
>> equipment so that they can make chocolate and taste what they grow.
>>
>> later
>> bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)
>>
>
> I'm posting in sci.med.nutrition. We discuss nutrition here, and
> we're all very interested in what's "good or bad for one's long term
> health." There's more to life than "treats," IMHO.

Certainly there is more to life than treats but broccoli is very
nice when prepared
properly. Besides the treats and the food that is simply good for you
or necessary there
are lots of pain and eventually death. And when you get old enough you
realize that
none of these are bad.
Lots of people in the world are living on a diet so bad it is
no wonder they cannot think straight about the issues affecting their
lives and
strike out at others who are so well off that they can think about the
illusory issue
of long term health.
I say illusory because all you can do if you are lucky with a
good genetic heritage and careful in your activities is stay healthy for
one human
life time. There is no evidence that this will help the real problems
people face
every day. It might do better to think about spreading the food to the
people
who are not getting enough nutrition and about production of food that
is sustainable in terms of the life of the earth.

Thank whatever for the cocao bean and chocolate.

later
bliss - cocao powered

--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

Ningen banji Human beings do
Samazama no Every single kind
Baka a suru Of stupid thing
--- 117th edition of Haifu Yanagidaru published in 1832