My venerable old maytag is 14 years old and we are thinking of
proactively replacing it before it dies or starts leaking water etc.
Actually I think it probably has a few more years left in it and I am
quite happy with it other than bits of plastic and other gunk having to
be painfully fished out of the tiny holes in the washing blades once a
week or so (still mystified on how plastic gets in them).

The biggest thing prompting this is that the coating on the racks is
badly peeling, and a couple of the tines have broken off completely. I
priced out new racks and they are worth a good portion of the cost of a
new dishwasher. I did some looking online, and for a similar unit to
mine, ie plastic tub, racks, we are looking at the 500$ range. My wife
wants one with a stainless tub and the nylon coated racks. I am trying
to justify if these options are worth the extra $500 or so I'd have to
shell out. I did notice that the more expensive units are generally
quieter, which is a nice plus in my mind.

What about brands? stick with Maytag, or go with LG, Kenmore etc.. Bosch
looked nice at the last home show I attended, but are big $$

Any brands to avoid?

thanks in advance!

TG wrote:
> My venerable old maytag is 14 years old and we are thinking of
> proactively replacing it before it dies or starts leaking water etc.
> Actually I think it probably has a few more years left in it and I am
> quite happy with it other than bits of plastic and other gunk having to
> be painfully fished out of the tiny holes in the washing blades once a
> week or so (still mystified on how plastic gets in them).
>
> The biggest thing prompting this is that the coating on the racks is
> badly peeling, and a couple of the tines have broken off completely. I
> priced out new racks and they are worth a good portion of the cost of a
> new dishwasher. I did some looking online, and for a similar unit to
> mine, ie plastic tub, racks, we are looking at the 500$ range. My wife
> wants one with a stainless tub and the nylon coated racks. I am trying
> to justify if these options are worth the extra $500 or so I'd have to
> shell out. I did notice that the more expensive units are generally
> quieter, which is a nice plus in my mind.
>
> What about brands? stick with Maytag, or go with LG, Kenmore etc.. Bosch
> looked nice at the last home show I attended, but are big $$

I paid ~800 for an Asko model D3122 dishwasher.

<http://www.askousa.com/pub/manuals/dishwashers/current/English-D3122XL_UCG.pdf#search=%22d3122%22>

It has a stainless steel tub and nylon racks. It is also very quiet and
uses much less hot water than the 25 year old dishwasher it replaced. It
does an excellent job of cleaning and holds more dishes than we
typically can do without, so it gets run 3/4s full quite often.

The unit I bought has an extra tall tub and will not fit under some
counters.

I highly recommend this product.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:50:48 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
> wrote:

>It has a stainless steel tub and nylon racks. It is also very quiet and
>uses much less hot water than the 25 year old dishwasher it replaced.

Just curious how you measured the lesser amount of water...??

BTW...I am positive that EVERY dishwasher today uses less water than a
25 year old model.

I would stick with the Maytag. We just bought two new ones for our
kitchen. Incredibly quiet and clean and sanitize anything.

I had to replace a rack and it was expensive. I called Maytag to
complain and they told me they have no control over the minerals in my
water. That is what is making the racks peel. Spending the extra
money on a water filtration system might benefit your entire family in
the long run.

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:31:34 GMT, TG > wrote:

>My venerable old maytag is 14 years old and we are thinking of
>proactively replacing it before it dies or starts leaking water etc....

>.... I did some looking online, and for a similar unit to
>mine, ie plastic tub, racks, we are looking at the 500$ range. My wife
>wants one with a stainless tub and the nylon coated racks. I am trying
>to justify if these options are worth the extra $500 or so I'd have to
>shell out. I did notice that the more expensive units are generally
>quieter, which is a nice plus in my mind.
>
>What about brands? stick with Maytag, or go with LG, Kenmore etc.. Bosch
>looked nice at the last home show I attended, but are big $$

We bought a Maytag about six years ago, and were very pleased with it.

Then earlier this year, we remodeled our kitchen and went to all
stainless appliances. So we decided to replace our still perfectly
functional Maytag, and shopped around.

We decided that the expense of a stainless steel interior was not
justified, since we've never had a dishwasher otherwise outlive its
interior. Stainless inside just doesn't seem to have any functional
value.

So we ended up buying what seems like the successor to our previous
Maytag, which had all the features we wanted -- adjustable height
upper rack, fully electronic controls, the folding rack features we
wanted, glass stem holders, no "pop-up" spray arm, air vent in the
door rather than a hose running up to the sink, etc. It's a "Quiet
Series 300" -- with the stainless exterior, it was around $500.

It has worked out all right -- it is considerably quieter than the
older model it replaced, and it cleans very well. But in some
mechanical aspects -- the solidity of the front door hinges, the front
door action, and the smoothness of rolling out the bottom rack -- it
is *decidedly* inferior to the older model. If I had played with a
fully-installed, operational model while shopping, I wouldn't have
bought this Maytag.

So if you are seriously considering the current Maytags, I'd advise
checking them out thoroughly. Don't just assume that if it's a Maytag,
everything has evolved for the better. All the brand consolidation and
buyouts have made any engineering continuity very unlikely.

-- Larry

In article >,
Ward Abbott > wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:50:48 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
> > wrote:
>
> >It has a stainless steel tub and nylon racks. It is also very quiet and
> >uses much less hot water than the 25 year old dishwasher it replaced.
>
> Just curious how you measured the lesser amount of water...??

Dishwashers which receive the Energy Star rating often will list in
the owner's manual how much water they use. I have an ASKO as well
(stainless-steel tub, nylon tines, etc.) and it uses no more than
about four gallons of water per cycle.

BTW, that DW was $650 at a local chain of appliance dealers. I've
also seen Sears sell the lower-end Bosch (stainless-steel tub, nylon
tines, etc.) for as little as $500, so unless the OP is outside the
U.S., I'm not sure why he thinks it will cost $1,000 to get these
features.

> BTW...I am positive that EVERY dishwasher today uses less water than a
> 25 year old model.
>
> I would stick with the Maytag. We just bought two new ones for our
> kitchen. Incredibly quiet and clean and sanitize anything.

I hope they work out for you. Unfortunately, "Ol' Lonely" doesn't
seem to be so lonely anymore. Reviews and posts at various appliance
review sites indicate that Maytag is not the rock-solid brand it
once was. In addition, there has been enough turmoil at the company
lately with moving manufacturing outside the U.S. and with being
purchased by Whirlpool that I would suggest that Maytag (and
Jenn-Air and related brands) is not your best choice right now.

I've been very happy with my ASKO. I know several people who are
happy with their Bosch dishwashers; Bosch also sells some
dishwashers under the Sears Kenmore Elite model, Siemens, and
Thermador brands (same product; different labels). The most
performance for the buck appears to be in the Whirlpool line, though
only their top model has a stainless-steel tub.

> I had to replace a rack and it was expensive. I called Maytag to
> complain and they told me they have no control over the minerals in my
> water. That is what is making the racks peel. Spending the extra
> money on a water filtration system might benefit your entire family in
> the long run.

Racks also can be damaged by knives/sharp edges and by repeated
pressure applied by wedging dishes onto the tines. It's not merely a
matter of water quality, though almost any dishwasher should benefit
from softer water.

sd

sd wrote:
> In article >,
> Ward Abbott > wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:50:48 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It has a stainless steel tub and nylon racks. It is also very quiet and
>>>uses much less hot water than the 25 year old dishwasher it replaced.
>>
>>Just curious how you measured the lesser amount of water...??
>
>
> Dishwashers which receive the Energy Star rating often will list in
> the owner's manual how much water they use. I have an ASKO as well
> (stainless-steel tub, nylon tines, etc.) and it uses no more than
> about four gallons of water per cycle.
>
> BTW, that DW was $650 at a local chain of appliance dealers. I've
> also seen Sears sell the lower-end Bosch (stainless-steel tub, nylon
> tines, etc.) for as little as $500, so unless the OP is outside the
> U.S., I'm not sure why he thinks it will cost $1,000 to get these
> features.
>
>
>>BTW...I am positive that EVERY dishwasher today uses less water than a
>>25 year old model.
>>
>>I would stick with the Maytag. We just bought two new ones for our
>>kitchen. Incredibly quiet and clean and sanitize anything.
>
>
> I hope they work out for you. Unfortunately, "Ol' Lonely" doesn't
> seem to be so lonely anymore. Reviews and posts at various appliance
> review sites indicate that Maytag is not the rock-solid brand it
> once was. In addition, there has been enough turmoil at the company
> lately with moving manufacturing outside the U.S. and with being
> purchased by Whirlpool that I would suggest that Maytag (and
> Jenn-Air and related brands) is not your best choice right now.
>
> I've been very happy with my ASKO. I know several people who are
> happy with their Bosch dishwashers; Bosch also sells some
> dishwashers under the Sears Kenmore Elite model, Siemens, and
> Thermador brands (same product; different labels). The most
> performance for the buck appears to be in the Whirlpool line, though
> only their top model has a stainless-steel tub.
>
>
>>I had to replace a rack and it was expensive. I called Maytag to
>>complain and they told me they have no control over the minerals in my
>>water. That is what is making the racks peel. Spending the extra
>>money on a water filtration system might benefit your entire family in
>>the long run.
>
>
> Racks also can be damaged by knives/sharp edges and by repeated
> pressure applied by wedging dishes onto the tines. It's not merely a
> matter of water quality, though almost any dishwasher should benefit
> from softer water.
>
> sd
I'm in Canada, and iirc on the sears.ca site any models with the ss tub
were around the $1000 mark..

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:31:34 GMT, TG > wrote:

>. My wife
>wants one with a stainless tub and the nylon coated racks. I am trying
>to justify if these options are worth the extra $500 or so I'd have to
>shell out.

Do you do the dishes or does your wife? What does 'YOU" have to shell
out mean? Doesn't SHE have to shell it out also?
Does that mean you are the money earner and she contributes nothing?
I doubt that. Is she so totally brainless in your opinion that she
has no logical reasons for wanting something?

What a pompous, selfish attitude. Being married to you must be a
pleasure.
------------
There are no atheists in foxholes
or in Fenway Park in an extra inning
game.
____

Cape Cod Bob

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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:54:24 -0400, Cape Cod Bob
> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:31:34 GMT, TG > wrote:
>
>>. My wife
>>wants one with a stainless tub and the nylon coated racks. I am trying
>>to justify if these options are worth the extra $500 or so I'd have to
>>shell out.
>
>Do you do the dishes or does your wife? What does 'YOU" have to shell
>out mean? Doesn't SHE have to shell it out also?
>Does that mean you are the money earner and she contributes nothing?
>I doubt that. Is she so totally brainless in your opinion that she
>has no logical reasons for wanting something?

None of which is any of your business, or pertinent to the information
requested. Why not just answer the guy's civil questions and skip the social
engineering?

>What a pompous, selfish attitude. Being married to you must be a
>pleasure.

You too.

>------------
>There are no atheists in foxholes

There certainly are, and were in RVN.

>..or in Fenway Park in an extra inning game.

No -- especially for five-game sweeps. Atheists are too smart to hang around for
those.

-- Larry

"TG" > wrote in message news:aZALg.5930$0k7.2314@clgrps13...

> My wife wants one with a stainless tub and the nylon coated racks. I am
> trying to justify if these options are worth the extra $500 or so I'd have
> to shell out. I did notice that the more expensive units are generally
> quieter, which is a nice plus in my mind.
>
> What about brands? stick with Maytag, or go with LG, Kenmore etc.. Bosch
> looked nice at the last home show I attended, but are big $$
>
> Any brands to avoid?

Last year I bought the fourth Kitchen Aid in our lives. I started out with
no particular brand in mind, but still ended up with a KA.

My local dealer also has Bosch, but no longer stocks them. Too many call
backs
Maytag is still supposed to be good, just not as good as they used to be.
Kenmore is made by either Electrolux or Whirlpool, depending on the model.
The Whirlpool built are good.

Any $500 DW will clean the dishes very well. I opted for the better model
more for looks than anything else; and hopefully, longer life and no
repairs. Inside seemed to be better built with the SS cabinet over some of
the cheaper looking plastic ones. It is rare that we use any cycle other
than the "normal" with the "sani-rinse" option turned on. You do pay for
the extra cycle option and, IMO, they are not needed in most cases, buy you
may want them.

"Cape Cod Bob" > wrote in message
>
> Do you do the dishes or does your wife? What does 'YOU" have to shell
> out mean? Doesn't SHE have to shell it out also?
> Does that mean you are the money earner and she contributes nothing?
> I doubt that.

I can't speak for the OP, but you are way of base here. Waaaaaaaaayyyyy
off.

In my house, I've been the only wage earner for the past 15 years. Actually
, about 30 of the last 40 that we have been married.

As for doing the dishes, I do them probably 90% of the time. I'm happy to
be able to do that. I do much of the cooking also.

I know plenty of people in similar situations. Please don't use your life
as the basis for what every lifestyle should be. There are many reasons for
the differences.