Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
the $1,000 range?

Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
a little digging.

Thanks.

Remsleep

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:06:39 GMT, "Remsleep" > wrote:

>Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
>replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
>the $1,000 range?
>
>Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
>Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
>them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
>a little digging.

This month's Consumer Reports happens to include dishwashers. The two high-end
products, Asko and Fisher & Paykel, were far and away the worst regarding repair
history.

The two quietest were the $1600 Asko and the LG LDS5811, at $650.

The overall recommended models (based on cleaning ability, flexible loading, and
quiet running) were two Kenmores(1374 and Elite 1373) and a Bosch(SHE45CO), all
between $650 and $700.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:06:39 GMT, "Remsleep" > wrote:
>
>> Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
>> replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
>> the $1,000 range?
>>
>> Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
>> Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
>> them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
>> a little digging.
>
> This month's Consumer Reports happens to include dishwashers. The two high-end
> products, Asko and Fisher & Paykel, were far and away the worst regarding repair
> history.

Interesting. Our Asko has only needed repair because rodents chewed
through the water feed line. It isn't ten years old, yet, though.

> The two quietest were the $1600 Asko and the LG LDS5811, at $650.

I is both extremely quiet and cavernous. It is hard for the two of up to
fill it before we run out of something.

Matthew

--
I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:09:02 -0400, pltrgyst
> wrote:

>were two Kenmores(1374 and Elite 1373)

Did they identify the manufacturers...since Sears has never made an
appliance. These overpriced high end dishwashers are not worth the
money. Their repair rate is absurd. I would stick with a LG or the
Kenmores for ease of repairs.

Both my Maytags are somewhat noisy but I run them at 3 am and never
heard them. Never had a service call on either one and they are
approaching eight years old.

Ward Abbott wrote:
>
> Both my Maytags are somewhat noisy but I run them at 3 am and never
> heard them. Never had a service call on either one and they are
> approaching eight years old.
>
>
Our current one is a Maytag - much quieter than our previous machines,
large stainless steel interior with flexible racking. We've had it for
5 or 6 years now, and (so far!) we've had no problems with it.
Of course, new Maytags may be better - or worse.

"Ward Abbott" wrote
> pltrgyst wrote:
>
>>were two Kenmores(1374 and Elite 1373)
>
> Did they identify the manufacturers...since Sears has never made an
> appliance. These overpriced high end dishwashers are not worth the
> money. Their repair rate is absurd.
==
Where did you come upon this information? Kenmore dishwashers have always
been
among the most reliable.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:45:40 GMT, "Gini" > wrote:

>
>"Ward Abbott" wrote
>> pltrgyst wrote:
>>
>>>were two Kenmores(1374 and Elite 1373)
>>
>> Did they identify the manufacturers...since Sears has never made an
>> appliance. These overpriced high end dishwashers are not worth the
>> money. Their repair rate is absurd.
>==
>Where did you come upon this information? Kenmore dishwashers have always
>been
>among the most reliable.
>



I have never argued the reliability of Kenmore.....where is the
Kenmore factory? I have never been able to find out that
information.....and obviously, you KNOW the location.

"Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:45:40 GMT, "Gini" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ward Abbott" wrote
>>> pltrgyst wrote:
>>>
>>>>were two Kenmores(1374 and Elite 1373)
>>>
>>> Did they identify the manufacturers...since Sears has never made an
>>> appliance. These overpriced high end dishwashers are not worth the
>>> money. Their repair rate is absurd.
>>==
>>Where did you come upon this information? Kenmore dishwashers have always
>>been
>>among the most reliable.
>>
>
>
>
> I have never argued the reliability of Kenmore.....where is the
> Kenmore factory? I have never been able to find out that
> information.....and obviously, you KNOW the location.
==
So, if you don't KNOW where the factory is, the product is unreliable
regardless of the statistics?
I ( and most others) am/are aware that several factories build/badge Kenmore
appliances. You stated that
"...their repair rate is absurd." Now, lessee--Different factories build
Kenmore appliances. We may not know
which particular factory builds a particular dishwasher, therefore their
repair rate is absurd. Gotcha.
To the OP--My mid-line Kenmore dishwasher was less repair prone than my high
end Bosch dishwasher. OTOH, the Bosch
is much much quieter, even when it's working.

"Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:09:02 -0400, pltrgyst
> > wrote:
>
>>were two Kenmores(1374 and Elite 1373)
>
> Did they identify the manufacturers...since Sears has never made an
> appliance. These overpriced high end dishwashers are not worth the
> money. Their repair rate is absurd. I would stick with a LG or the
> Kenmores for ease of repairs.

But which Kenmores? Some are Whirlpool, some are Frigidaire, some may be by
yet another. The fat that a Kenmore sticker is on them does not make for
easy repairs.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:10:33 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

>>.... I would stick with a LG or the Kenmores for ease of repairs.
>
>But which Kenmores? Some are Whirlpool, some are Frigidaire, some may be by
>yet another. The fat that a Kenmore sticker is on them does not make for
>easy repairs.

Sears must insert some very good quality assurance specifications in their
contracts, since their machines invariably fare well in Consumer Reports
frequency of repair lists.

For this dishwasher review, Amana, Whirlpool, Miele, GE, Kenmore, GE Monogram,
Jenn-Air,Bosch,Hotp[oint, Frigidaire, and Maytag were all within the same
statistically significant group leading the frequency-of-repair list. The only
outliers were KitchenAid (barely), Asko, and F&P.

-- Larry

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
> Sears must insert some very good quality assurance specifications in their
> contracts, since their machines invariably fare well in Consumer Reports
> frequency of repair lists.

They often want special features or their brand, but most comes down the
assembly line with the exact same internal components. In most cases, the
people on the line don't even know what brand they are making until it gets
to the final position where the unit front and labels are put in place. My
company used to make parts and they went into a half dozen brands made at
one plant and everything we made was exactly the same.

"Remsleep" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time
> to replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet
> dishwashers in the $1,000 range?
>
> Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
> Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
> them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too
> with a little digging.

We have the top Kitchen Aid and I'm extremely happy with it. Dishes and
silverware come out sparkling. The only time a bowl did not clean properly
was the time I loaded in behind something and water could not reach it.
Very quiet.

We looked at a few brands. Our local dealer no longer stocks Bosch because
of too many service calls. We did not like the rack layout of the Maytag.
My wife like the looks of this over the Whirlpool. I'd buy it again.

In article et>,
"Remsleep" > wrote:

> Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
> replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
> the $1,000 range?
>
> Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
> Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
> them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
> a little digging.

We're very happy with our Bosch. It replaced a Kitchen Aid. We've had
KA's for over 20 years in various houses and were previously very happy
with them. But the one in our last house (4 years ago) and then the one
in this house simply did not perform anywhere near as well as in
previous years. The brand seems to have suffered under Whirlpool IMO.
The Bosch, on the other hand, is exceptionally quiet and cleans better
than any DW I've ever had and with very little detergent--- about a
level tablespoon. I particularly like the way the water circulates and
how much I can fit in this DW without having to worry about blocking the
'spray'. YMMV.
--
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

In article >,
says...
>I would never ever buy another Kenmore Product.
Our fridge died 2.5 years after manufacture (numerous service calls and
a final ah well from Dneers)

Our dishwasher also a "high end" Kenmore - I have to take it apart every
few months to clean out the macerator (I know it is a Frigidaire).

I was speaking to an appliance repair man who Does not sell any
equipment He said if you want a stainless steel interior unit strongly
recomendsd the LG.
If you didn't want that then get the cheapest one who ever makes it...

"John LaBella" > wrote in message
. ..
> In article >,
> says...
>>I would never ever buy another Kenmore Product.
> Our fridge died 2.5 years after manufacture (numerous service calls and
> a final ah well from Dneers)
>
> Our dishwasher also a "high end" Kenmore - I have to take it apart every
> few months to clean out the macerator (I know it is a Frigidaire).
>
> I was speaking to an appliance repair man who Does not sell any
> equipment He said if you want a stainless steel interior unit strongly
> recomendsd the LG.
> If you didn't want that then get the cheapest one who ever makes it...

I looked at the LG on-line. It had 6 reviews on e-pinions: 5 were 4- or
5-stars; one was one-star. The crux of the one-star review was that the
top-of-th-line LG was too big for a standard 24" deep dishwasher station,
and the reviewer's required some demolition work to get it in the enclosure.
Sure enough, I checked the dimensions, and the LG is 25" deep, while our
dishwasher enclosure is the standard 24". Ours is a small kitchen, I'm a big
guy, and losing an inch in that passage could lead to trouble (not to
mention being aesthetically unpleasing). Which is a shame, as everything
else about the LG looked very good.

Remsleep

In article >,
John LaBella > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >I would never ever buy another Kenmore Product.

I never said that~! Learn to use Usenet.
--
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

On Jun 30, 8:06 pm, "Remsleep" > wrote:
> Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
> replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
> the $1,000 range?
>
> Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
> Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
> them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
> a little digging.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Remsleep

I bought this JUST TODAY! It has every thing I want. I've been
looking for a looong time trying to decide.

http://tinyurl.com/2xfns6

Dee Dee

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:49:22 -0700, Dee Dee > wrote:

>I bought this JUST TODAY! It has every thing I want. I've been
>looking for a looong time trying to decide.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2xfns6

Interesting -- congratulations.

What made you decide to go with the stainless interior?

-- Larry

On Jul 3, 11:44 am, pltrgyst > wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:49:22 -0700, Dee Dee > wrote:
> >I bought this JUST TODAY! It has every thing I want. I've been
> >looking for a looong time trying to decide.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2xfns6
>
> Interesting -- congratulations.
>
> What made you decide to go with the stainless interior?
>
> -- Larry

Actually, I don't know. It just seemed like a good idea. I knew I
wanted a ss front, but it really started off with I NEED NYLON and
adjustable racks; then escalated. <g>

Yesterday, I got ****ed when the new Oxo splatter guard I had ordered
said that it would fit in a dishwash, but it didn't fit in mine. I
just couldn't stand it anymore. LOL.

Dee Dee

So, in the end, I was over-ruled by SWMBO, who insisted on the Bosch over
the Kenmore. The reason? The tines in the Bosch lower rack are set more
narrowly, allowing the placement of more plates. It's very pretty and I'm
sure will last at least 10 years.

Thanks to all who contributed to the thread.

Remsleep

In article et>,
says...
> Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
> replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
> the $1,000 range?
>
> Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
> Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
> them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
> a little digging.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Remsleep
>

We have had the Bosch middle-of-the-line model for 8 years. It is so
quiet that you can stand right in front of it while it is running and
have a conversation in a normal voice. It gets things very clean,
although it did take us a week or so to learn how to load the dishes,
how much detergent to use, etc. It has required one repair (about $150)
in that period.

--
Peter Aitken

On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:39:29 -0400, Peter A >
wrote:

>In article et>,
says...
>> Our 10-year old Asko has had one service call too many now, so it's time to
>> replace. Can anyone recommend large capacity, extremely quiet dishwashers in
>> the $1,000 range?
>>
>> Brands I've looked at on-line include Fisher & Paykel, Kitchen Aid, GE,
>> Bosch, and LG. I know these brands are available locally, so feedback on
>> them is most appreciated. Other high-end brands are probably around too with
>> a little digging.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Remsleep
>>
>
>We have had the Bosch middle-of-the-line model for 8 years. It is so
>quiet that you can stand right in front of it while it is running and
>have a conversation in a normal voice. It gets things very clean,
>although it did take us a week or so to learn how to load the dishes,
>how much detergent to use, etc. It has required one repair (about $150)
>in that period.

I suspect the bad rep Fisher and Paykel have comes from operator
error. They are very differnt than a conventional dishwasher because
of the drawer. If it's overloaded so the top can't close water drips
out inito the works. If it's opened while it's running it fouls it up.
Because of the small volume of the drawer and the little amount of
water in use, spilling a bunch of soap into the drawer can cause
foaming. Anyway, if you know how it works it seems very reliable, but
someone who doesn't know any better can screw it up.