Gauge of stainless steel is something I should probably have
considered when I bought a ss prepping table in June since I had been
alerted to gauges in the purchase of a kitchen sink not that long ago.

This table some similar in appearance and somewhat more expensive on
line (probably not that much though considering inflation, and s&h was
included) than one I had purchased in the warehouse previously, so I
figured they would be the similar. The design was the same and did
not include some hooks on the side.

When it was put together one could see and hear immediately the
difference between the two. It would BANG when walking by just by
jiggling the table whereas the other one would not. If I put down a
dish it would reverberate or resonate, echo for some time, almost like
flapping a big piece of aluminum in the wind.

I do wonder if ss could be 18 gauge and it be made a thinner 18 gauge,
or is 18 gauge 'always' a certain thickness. If so, this must've been
20+ :-))

I don't recall the gauge as being listed on the site, perhaps it
was.

But I do recall that this table was a b-i-t-c-h getting packed back
into that box and crammed into the car - yes, the truck-gas is too
expensive to even return packages with now.

Dee Dee

On Aug 4, 10:35 am, Dee Dee > wrote:

> When it was put together one could see and hear immediately the
> difference between the two. It would BANG when walking by just by
> jiggling the table whereas the other one would not. If I put down a
> dish it would reverberate or resonate, echo for some time...


Did you adjust the levelers? Even if it has castors, it still has
levelers and if the table is not leveled it will be noisy.

Look near the bottom of each leg, you should see a nut attached to a
threaded bolt that rotates to adjust the length of the leg.

Also... you must level the legs BEFORE you install all of the
peripheral stuff, like shelves, drawers, etc... otherwise they
interfere with the process (and will not be level themselves).

On Aug 4, 4:41*pm, Will > wrote:
> On Aug 4, 10:35 am, Dee Dee > wrote:
>
> > When it was put together one could see and hear immediately the
> > difference between the two. *It would BANG when walking by just by
> > jiggling the table whereas the other one would not. *If I put down a
> > dish it would reverberate or resonate, echo for some time...
>
> Did you adjust the levelers? Even if it has castors, it still has
> levelers and if the table is not leveled it will be noisy.
>
> Look near the bottom of each leg, you should see a nut attached to a
> threaded bolt that rotates to adjust the length of the leg.
>
> Also... you must level the legs BEFORE you install all of the
> peripheral stuff, like shelves, drawers, etc... otherwise they
> interfere with the process (and will not be level themselves).



This happened in June. Yes, DH did adjust the levelers, took it apart
at least 2 times. There was only one shelf, too. I recall him taking
off the shelf also and doing all the necessary things. We certainly
did everything to not take it back.

There is no problem at all with the other one we have and never has
been. It has been moved all over 3 rooms in its use.

Thanks for taking your time to reply.
I believe the next one I buy will not be sight-unseen.

Dee Dee

In article
>,
Dee Dee > wrote:

> I do wonder if ss could be 18 gauge and it be made a thinner 18 gauge,
> or is 18 gauge 'always' a certain thickness. If so, this must've been
> 20+ :-))

As a machinist, I can speak with some level of so-called expertise on
this one. The Gauge of a metal is a measurement, and so cannot be
thinned and retain said gauge. The thickness of a given steel varies by
which form of steel is being measured. In the case of Stainless,
18-gauge measures .050, or "fifty thousandths," as a machinist or
metallurgist would say it.

Now this thickness is the thickness of the metal prior to pressing. The
punch press process will result in controlled distortions of the metal
and that will in turn lead to portions of the metal getting thinner, but
this is not in the way you were concerned with. The flat, top surface
of your table will retain its gauged thickness. It is edges, holes and
pressed forms that will result in stretching the material. These
extrusions will get thinner, but the forming will make these extrusions
in certain ways structurally stronger.

The concept of the thinning can be exhibited by taking a wide rubber
band and holding it between your hands barely taught. Looking at it, it
is straight and smooth. But as you pull it, the edges bow in towards
each other, making the band appear thinner.

Conversely, the form's shapes are used to make the overall metal
structurally stronger. Lay a piece of paper between to books of equal
thickenss and the paper cannot even support its own weight. But give
the paper a fan fold, bending the paper every half inch in opposing
directions until you have folded the piece of paper, and then lay it
back between the two books, and you will find it can hold several ounces
of weight. Likewise, the formed edges and ridges of your table add to
the table's strength. Folds can get a bit thicker, but any stretching
will cause the metal to get thinner.

Regardless the bending, forming and stretching, it is still considered
the same gauge of metal. As a matter of practical physics, it is not
possible to thin the metal by pushing it thinner. To thin sheet metal,
it must be rolled, similar to a pizza parlour's dough roller. Should
this be done, the metal then will have a thinner gauge, and cannot
legally be called the thicker gauge.

Hope this helps.

If you have any further questions, or I didn't explain anything here
quite clear, feel free to ask here or by e-mail.

jt

On Aug 4, 8:08*pm, jt august > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Dee Dee > wrote:
>
> > I do wonder if ss could be 18 gauge and it be made a thinner 18 gauge,
> > or is 18 gauge 'always' a certain thickness. *If so, this must've been
> > 20+ :-))
>
> As a machinist, I can speak with some level of so-called expertise on
> this one. *The Gauge of a metal is a measurement, and so cannot be
> thinned and retain said gauge. *The thickness of a given steel varies by
> which form of steel is being measured. *In the case of Stainless,
> 18-gauge measures .050, or "fifty thousandths," as a machinist or
> metallurgist would say it.
>
> Now this thickness is the thickness of the metal prior to pressing. *The
> punch press process will result in controlled distortions of the metal
> and that will in turn lead to portions of the metal getting thinner, but
> this is not in the way you were concerned with. *The flat, top surface
> of your table will retain its gauged thickness. *It is edges, holes and
> pressed forms that will result in stretching the material. *These
> extrusions will get thinner, but the forming will make these extrusions
> in certain ways structurally stronger.
>
> The concept of the thinning can be exhibited by taking a wide rubber
> band and holding it between your hands barely taught. *Looking at it, it
> is straight and smooth. *But as you pull it, the edges bow in towards
> each other, making the band appear thinner.
>
> Conversely, the form's shapes are used to make the overall metal
> structurally stronger. *Lay a piece of paper between to books of equal
> thickenss and the paper cannot even support its own weight. *But give
> the paper a fan fold, bending the paper every half inch in opposing
> directions until you have folded the piece of paper, and then lay it
> back between the two books, and you will find it can hold several ounces
> of weight. *Likewise, the formed edges and ridges of your table add to
> the table's strength. *Folds can get a bit thicker, but any stretching
> will cause the metal to get thinner. *
>
> Regardless the bending, forming and stretching, it is still considered
> the same gauge of metal. *As a matter of practical physics, it is not
> possible to thin the metal by pushing it thinner. *To thin sheet metal,
> it must be rolled, similar to a pizza parlour's dough roller. *Should
> this be done, the metal then will have a thinner gauge, and cannot
> legally be called the thicker gauge.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> If you have any further questions, or I didn't explain anything here
> quite clear, feel free to ask here or by e-mail.
>
> jt


Thanks, jt, for taking the time to explain. I'm sure others will see
this, too, and use it as a guide.
Dee Dee

On Mon 04 Aug 2008 05:08:24p, jt august told us...

> In article
> >,
> Dee Dee > wrote:
>
>> I do wonder if ss could be 18 gauge and it be made a thinner 18 gauge,
>> or is 18 gauge 'always' a certain thickness. If so, this must've been
>> 20+ :-))
>
> As a machinist, I can speak with some level of so-called expertise on
> this one. The Gauge of a metal is a measurement, and so cannot be
> thinned and retain said gauge. The thickness of a given steel varies by
> which form of steel is being measured. In the case of Stainless,
> 18-gauge measures .050, or "fifty thousandths," as a machinist or
> metallurgist would say it.
>
> Now this thickness is the thickness of the metal prior to pressing. The
> punch press process will result in controlled distortions of the metal
> and that will in turn lead to portions of the metal getting thinner, but
> this is not in the way you were concerned with. The flat, top surface
> of your table will retain its gauged thickness. It is edges, holes and
> pressed forms that will result in stretching the material. These
> extrusions will get thinner, but the forming will make these extrusions
> in certain ways structurally stronger.
>
> The concept of the thinning can be exhibited by taking a wide rubber
> band and holding it between your hands barely taught. Looking at it, it
> is straight and smooth. But as you pull it, the edges bow in towards
> each other, making the band appear thinner.
>
> Conversely, the form's shapes are used to make the overall metal
> structurally stronger. Lay a piece of paper between to books of equal
> thickenss and the paper cannot even support its own weight. But give
> the paper a fan fold, bending the paper every half inch in opposing
> directions until you have folded the piece of paper, and then lay it
> back between the two books, and you will find it can hold several ounces
> of weight. Likewise, the formed edges and ridges of your table add to
> the table's strength. Folds can get a bit thicker, but any stretching
> will cause the metal to get thinner.
>
> Regardless the bending, forming and stretching, it is still considered
> the same gauge of metal. As a matter of practical physics, it is not
> possible to thin the metal by pushing it thinner. To thin sheet metal,
> it must be rolled, similar to a pizza parlour's dough roller. Should
> this be done, the metal then will have a thinner gauge, and cannot
> legally be called the thicker gauge.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> If you have any further questions, or I didn't explain anything here
> quite clear, feel free to ask here or by e-mail.
>
> jt

This was a very good explanation. Thanks for posting it.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Where am I going, and why am I in this
handbasket?
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In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> This was a very good explanation. Thanks for posting it.

Ne rien. I'm a machinist who loves to cook.

jt

A question related to stainless gauge is this: I am looking at rage hoods and know the difference between 430 stainless and 304, however, when the range hood is listed as 430 #4, what does that mean? I want to know the gauge of the metal, and I would also like to know what gauge is heavy enough to ensure a sturdy hood? 19? 18?. I appreciate the help.