"Roughrider50" > wrote in message
...
> first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> Whirlpool range with a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric( http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> them.
> Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!

If you are going to Sears, it won't make much difference. They don't sell
the top brands and models. A cheap gas or a cheap electric is still not
going to be a big deal.

OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. My choice was
a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
Thermodore is going to be excellent.

The electric ranges do heat faster when doing the pot of water test. A
typical gas range has burners with 9,000 Btu. The ones I mentions have
burners with 15,000 Btu or more.

Electric ovens are often though of as better and more consistent
temperature. Compared to the average gas, yes, they are. But the high end
gas ranges have precise temperatures and convection. When we bought our new
range back in May, the oven was not a big consideration. A heated box is a
heated box, right? Wrong. We were pleasantly surprised to find the new
convection oven is far superior in cooking the same foods we've done for
years.

This is ours
http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

I don't know your budget, but if you look at the cost over the next 10 or
20years you will be living witht he range, get the best you can afford. My
choice was to not get the fancy electronics that go bad and are expensive to
repair, but instead a very high quality mechanical system. Performance
rather than gadgets.

Visit your local appliance dealer. With the co-op buying they do these days
they are very price competitive and have superior service.

On Aug 14, 2:43*pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Roughrider50" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > first of all I'm not a professional chef(or even a good cook) but I
> > like to play in the kitchen & occasionally I surprise myself.
> > Recently I've been toying with the idea of replacing my 25yr old
> > Whirlpool range with *a new one.I can't decide between a gas or
> > electric. My daughter has Kenmore electric(http://tinyurl.com/6pca4t)
> > I'm really drawn toward. She loves it. Boils water fast, as compared
> > to 1-1½ on my old whirlpool. I grew up with gas stoves & really liked
> > them.
> > Sears is having a sale on Mon. & I need to decide which. TIA!
>
> If you are going to Sears, it won't make much difference. They don't sell
> the top brands and models. *A cheap gas or a cheap electric is still not
> going to be a big deal.
>
> OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. *My choice was
> a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
> Thermodore is going to be excellent.
>

>
> This is ourshttp://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Product/detail.aspx?CatID=PS&ID=47
>

What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.

Thanks.
Dee Dee

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
>
> This is ours
> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>

What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.

Thanks.
Dee Dee
*****************************

The 30" Four burners, no grill. The entire top has a cast iron grate that
is even all the way across so you don't have to lift a pot if you want to
move it.

The paint is put on in the same factory that paints the Lamborghini. We
have hte black.

"Dee Dee" > wrote

>What width is yours? Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.

Hey! You must have read my mind, I have been wondering
how you were doing.

nancy

On Aug 14, 3:42*pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" > wrote in message
>
> > This is ours
> >http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> What width is yours? *Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.
>
> Thanks.
> Dee Dee
> *****************************
>
> The 30" *Four burners, no grill. *The entire top *has a cast iron grate that
> is even all the way across so you don't have to lift a pot if you want to
> move it.
>
> The paint is put on in the same factory that paints the Lamborghini. *We
> have hte black.



Ooops, I read your sentence incorrectly. I read "grid" as "grill."


>bought the range for the more powerful burners, for the full cast
iron
grid to make sliding pots easier, as well as the stylish looks.


DH moves the pans (must to my dismay) across the glass cooktop. I
don't say anything, but do grit my teeth each time. He knows it is not
recommended.

I always ask him (if he is available) to lift and move the pans when I
need to move them from on burner to another burner.
So far, he hasn't caught on -- ;-))


The stove that I have now will have to last me unless and until we
move from here. And if we move, it will because I can no longer get
out of bed to even lift a pan -- hence my dreaming about yours. I
know you are enjoying it so much.
Dee Dee

On Aug 14, 3:57*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" > wrote
>
> >What width is yours? *Looking at it, I can't see where the grill is.
>
> Hey! *You must have read my mind, I have been wondering
> how you were doing.
>
> nancy


Hello, Nancy.
I'm just great - have been reading once in a while rfc, not too
often. The postings are so voluminous and it is hard not to answer
when I do subscribe.

I am posting at alt.coffee, read the wine group and sourdough group
sometimes; and sometimes post to the bread group which isn't too
active. Equipment and coffee are generally fun for me and that's what
it's all about.

Hope you are well and happy, my friend.
Dee Dee

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.

-- Larry (I think...)

On Aug 14, 11:01*pm, pltrgyst > wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> >http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.
>
> -- Larry (I think...)


Damn, I hate to agree, but .... ;-)
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. My choice was
> a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
> Thermodore is going to be excellent.

I'll never buy Viking again and would recommend thinking twice before a
Viking purchase. My $4000 Viking broke down constantly. I can't think
of a single part, other than the racks, that did not have to be
replaced--- some more than once--- in the first two years I owned it.
By far, this is the worst appliance company I've ever had to deal with.
They don't know the meaning of quality control, warranty support or
customer service. I hold my nose when anyone mentions Viking to me.
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

On Aug 15, 12:01*am, Isabella Woodhouse > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
> > OTOH, if you want to pay $2500 and up, gas is the way to go. *My choice was
> > a Bertazzoni, but a Bosch duel fuel or anything by Viking, Wolf, or
> > Thermodore is going to be excellent.
>
> I'll never buy Viking again and would recommend thinking twice before a
> Viking purchase. *My $4000 Viking broke down constantly. *I can't think
> of a single part, other than the racks, that did not have to be
> replaced--- some more than once--- in the first two years I owned it. *
> By far, this is the worst appliance company I've ever had to deal with. *
> They don't know the meaning of quality control, warranty support or
> customer service. *I hold my nose when anyone mentions Viking to me.
> --
> "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" *
> -T.S. Eliot


Ahh, how disappointing, and what a nuisance. Darn, they are good
looking, tho.

I love to see the monster stoves sitting on foodnetwork sets. I wait
to see them used. I wonder if they are there as a part of the
ambience/set deco.


Dee Dee

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.
>
> -- Larry (I think...)

Well it has two ovens side by side and I've not had two orgasms side by side
since my 20's.
My wife suggested we build a new house to accommodate the 48" in red. One
store had the 36" on display and it was gorgeous.
Ed


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:55:51 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:43:29 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>>
>> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.
>>
>> -- Larry (I think...)
>
>Well it has two ovens side by side and I've not had two orgasms side by side
>since my 20's.
>My wife suggested we build a new house to accommodate the 48" in red. One
>store had the 36" on display and it was gorgeous.

Ed, why'd you decide to buy this gem? $2,500 is a lot of change, so
I'm curious what convinced you to part with the $$ instead of just
spending less than half that for a proletarian range.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:14 -0400, pltrgyst
> wrote:


>>http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
>Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an orgasm.

Just remember folks....48" model.........48" hood and that will add
2500 buck minimum to the price of the range.

I installed Wolf with infrared grill. Steaks taste better than
Flemming's or Ruth's Chris.

"KLS" > wrote in message
>
> Ed, why'd you decide to buy this gem? $2,500 is a lot of change, so
> I'm curious what convinced you to part with the $$ instead of just
> spending less than half that for a proletarian range.

Let's not forget that you can buy a range that will cook food and boil water
for tea for $500. Your choice of gas or electric. Many people would be
very happy with that.

We had a Roper for the past 20 years and it was starting to show its age.
The oven needed repair, timer was shot for the past few years. So, we
decided that a Viking/Wolf/DCS for $5000 was out of our range and we set a
budget of $1200 or so. I looked at some models on line and thought he
Kitchen Aid was probably the best for our needs.

I had to stop at the grocery store on the way home from work and our local
appliance dealer is across the street. Since I was close, I figured I'd
take a peek at what they had on display. They sell all varieties from low
end to high end. He did have a KA similar to what I'd want. I also looked
at a Bosch dual fuel that was in the 2k range. Then I spotted the
Bertazzoni sitting by itself and the style caught my eye. Up to that point,
I never heard of the brand and it is relatively new in the US in spite of
120 years in Italy. Just for fun I did some research on the company and
found them to be of good quality. Three days later I took my wife to the
store and she saw and fell in love with the range too.

While a stretch of the budget, we figured it is the last stove we will ever
buy so why not get the best possible. It had the features we wanted, the
powerful burners, the grid over the top, sealed burners etc. So we bought.

I'm glad we did. It cooks well, the flame is perfect on every burner, the
oven is fantastic. Bertazzoni is more than we expected. I mentioned the
paint is applied at the same factory that paints the Lamborghini. Cooking
on this thing is like the difference between driving to work in the family
mini van or a fine crafted sports car. Responsive? A pot of boiling
potatoes can be controlled as fine and as quick from full boil to nothing
and back to boil the same as turning the volume knob on a radio.

pltrgyst wrote on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:14 -0400:

>> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an
> orgasm.

Your standards are like what Joseph Henry Shorthouse (1834-1903) said
about Wordsworth’s admission that he might have gotten drunk at
Cambridge: “In all probability, Wordsworth’s standard of intoxication
was miserably low’ “



My sympathies!


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:40:14 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>> Ah, geez -- looking at the 48" model is better than having an
>> orgasm.
>
>Your standards are like what Joseph Henry Shorthouse (1834-1903) said
>about Wordsworth’s admission that he might have gotten drunk at
>Cambridge: “In all probability, Wordsworth’s standard of intoxication
>was miserably low’ “

Well, of course -- you people in Potomac probably have Bertazzonis in all three
kitchens, as well as the servants' quarters. 8

>My sympathies!

Thanks...

-- Larry

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

>While a stretch of the budget, we figured it is the last stove we will ever
>buy so why not get the best possible. It had the features we wanted, the
>powerful burners, the grid over the top, sealed burners etc. So we bought.

I did similar two years ago. Re-did the entire kitchen and tossed out
the old cheapo Sears electric range that was there when we moved in.

Hated electric (tho I'd learned to cope) and was determined to get
back to gas cooking. Did my research and bought a Blue Star cooktop
with two (count 'em) 22,000 btu burners, a 15,000 btu burner and an
8,000 btu simmer burner. The clincher for me was the high btu burners.

The cooktop, electric oven and the heavy-duty Broan hood I installed
took me well over my original budget but like Ed, I figured this is
the last kitchen I'll ever have so why not go for broke.

I absolutely love the whole setup and would do it all again in a
heartbeat.

LeeBat
spending the kids' inheritance .....

In article >,
says...
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
> >While a stretch of the budget, we figured it is the last stove we will ever
> >buy so why not get the best possible. It had the features we wanted, the
> >powerful burners, the grid over the top, sealed burners etc. So we bought.
>
> I did similar two years ago. Re-did the entire kitchen and tossed out
> the old cheapo Sears electric range that was there when we moved in.
>
> Hated electric (tho I'd learned to cope) and was determined to get
> back to gas cooking. Did my research and bought a Blue Star cooktop
> with two (count 'em) 22,000 btu burners, a 15,000 btu burner and an
> 8,000 btu simmer burner. The clincher for me was the high btu burners.
>
> The cooktop, electric oven and the heavy-duty Broan hood I installed
> took me well over my original budget but like Ed, I figured this is
> the last kitchen I'll ever have so why not go for broke.
>
> I absolutely love the whole setup and would do it all again in a
> heartbeat.
>
> LeeBat
> spending the kids' inheritance .....
>

Interesting that you did gas for the cooktop and electric for the oven.
That's what I'd prefer too. I find that in an oven electric has far more
accurate temperature control for some reason.

"T" > wrote in message
>
> Interesting that you did gas for the cooktop and electric for the oven.
> That's what I'd prefer too. I find that in an oven electric has far more
> accurate temperature control for some reason.
>
It is easier to built in the thermostats and controls with electric, but
quality gas ranges are equally accurate. In the pas tit was not uncommon for
gas ovens to swing 50 degrees.