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Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
I usually cook single portions.

I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
possible. TIA.

Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales

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On Dec 1, 7:06*pm, Sky > wrote:
> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>
> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
> nearly dead. *So, it needs to be replaced very soon. *The toaster-oven
> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
> I usually cook single portions.
>
> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
> option? *But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
> especially if it includes convection? *Is convection baking better? *I'd
> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
> possible. *TIA.
>
> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>
>
I bought an Oster convection oven over 2 years ago at Target. It's
used numerous times throughout the week and I'm very pleased with it.
The cooking time for a convection oven is about 1/3 less than a
conventional oven. The price for these are around $50 and for me it's
been a great purchase.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:06:09 -0600, Sky >
wrote:

>Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales

The sales are pretty durned good now, sky!


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Sky wrote:
>
> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>
> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
> I usually cook single portions.
>
> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
> possible. TIA.
>
> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>
>

You might consider one of the models with a removeable liner, to make
cleaning easier. We have a Black and Decker (about 5--6 years old),
slightly oversize toaster oven, but has no liner and isn't convection
either. As you know cleaning the suckers is a pain. If you have the
counter space a slightly larger t/o will hold a six-well muffin tin or
an eight-inch square baking pan.

Arri London wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
> > X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
> >
> > Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
> > nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
> > is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
> > I usually cook single portions.
> >
> > I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
> > than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
> > option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
> > What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
> > especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
> > like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
> > possible. TIA.

> You might consider one of the models with a removeable liner, to make
> cleaning easier. We have a Black and Decker (about 5--6 years old),
> slightly oversize toaster oven, but has no liner and isn't convection
> either. As you know cleaning the suckers is a pain. If you have the
> counter space a slightly larger t/o will hold a six-well muffin tin or
> an eight-inch square baking pan.

We've used toaster-ovens frequently for years and definitely prefer
using one instead of the huge range oven. It just doesn't make sense to
bake one potato or other single-portions at a time in such a huge box!
I like the idea of a removable liner. And the more I think about the
convenction option, the more I think I like that idea. It'll cost a bit
more, but perhaps it'll be worth it in the long run? I'll live and
learn.

I did see a Black & Decker digital convection toaster oven this
afternoon at Sam's for US$66. That seems a reasonable price, but I'll
do more research before making a choice. Thanks.

Sky, who's gone through many a toaster oven over the years!

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"itsjoannotjoann" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 1, 7:06 pm, Sky > wrote:
> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>
> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
> I usually cook single portions.
>
> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
> possible. TIA.
>
> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>
>
I bought an Oster convection oven over 2 years ago at Target. It's
used numerous times throughout the week and I'm very pleased with it.
The cooking time for a convection oven is about 1/3 less than a
conventional oven. The price for these are around $50 and for me it's
been a great purchase.


I had an Oster convection, self-cleaning. (I previously had a black-decker
toaster-oven, which fell short of usefulness.)

The Oster seemed huge to me, but it was too small I felt to even do a 8x8
pan of brownies to my satisfaction. I tried bread once, but that didn't
work. I tried a little of everything, I guess - like baked potatoes, which
is probably the most useful. But my oven is small enough, I don't see the
efficacy of using an on-the-counter oven. But since you are buying one, and
ask for any advice, and not the jabber above :-))

One thing I would look closely at though, since you are buying one, is
whether or not the door will close tightly. I don't know if they are
supposed to or not, but the Oster I bought was always ajar; I felt this was
not right. I still don't know.

Dee Dee

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:06:09 -0600, Sky >
wrote:

>X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>
>Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
>I usually cook single portions.
>
>I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
>like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>possible. TIA.
>
>Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales



you will be amazed...shop on Craig'sList for a used General Electric
or Black and Decker Toaster Oven...durable long lasting fast heating
oven type interior...all the other brands are poor copies of old
reliable!

Bill

William Cutler wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:06:09 -0600, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>
>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
>> I usually cook single portions.
>>
>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>> possible. TIA.
>>
>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>
>
>
> you will be amazed...shop on Craig'sList for a used General Electric
> or Black and Decker Toaster Oven...durable long lasting fast heating
> oven type interior...all the other brands are poor copies of old
> reliable!
>
> Bill

The other day a Hammacher Schlemmer (sp) catalog came in the mail. I
looked through it and I found the non-convection model of the new
Cuisinart TO I just got. The blurb said that HS had tested many brands
and found this to be the best.

It's so nice to have back up. <vbg>

Sky wrote:
>
> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>
> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
> I usually cook single portions.
>
> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
> possible. TIA.
>
> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>
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Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
it through the paces.

I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
feature, too. Here's the link:

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526

or

http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp

When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
it for a full refund.

What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
for that "label" I suppose (heh!).

Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there

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On Sun 11 Jan 2009 10:38:51p, Sky told us...

> Sky wrote:
>>
>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>
>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
>> I usually cook single portions.
>>
>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>> possible. TIA.
>>
>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>>
>> --
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>
> Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
> right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
> it through the paces.
>
> I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> feature, too. Here's the link:
>
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
>
> When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
> TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
> advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
> So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
> it for a full refund.
>
> What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
> expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
> for that "label" I suppose (heh!).

Yes, it oculd be the Duratone II interior and pans. It's an enamel made
with clay and teflon, so probably nonstick.

According to the description of each, they can both handle a 12" pizza or 6
slices of bread.

> Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
>



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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Sun 11 Jan 2009 10:38:51p, Sky told us...
>
> > Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
> > right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
> > it through the paces.
> >
> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> > feature, too. Here's the link:
> >
> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
> >
> > When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
> > TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
> > advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
> > So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
> > it for a full refund.
> >
> > What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
> > expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
> > for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
>
> Yes, it oculd be the Duratone II interior and pans. It's an enamel made
> with clay and teflon, so probably nonstick.
>
> According to the description of each, they can both handle a 12" pizza or 6
> slices of bread.
>
> > Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there

So, is that "Durastone" worth the extra cost??? I have no clue! I
figure(d) it's just a new name (perhaps?) for the stuff that was called
'silverstone' years ago. Another type of Teflon, so to speak?

Sky, who could Google, but'd rather ask here <G>

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On Sun 11 Jan 2009 11:35:54p, Sky told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> On Sun 11 Jan 2009 10:38:51p, Sky told us...
>>
>> > Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
>> > right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have
>> > put it through the paces.
>> >
>> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
>> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
>> > feature, too. Here's the link:
>> >
>> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
>> >
>> > When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this
>> > particular TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it
>> > there to take advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the
>> > S&H costs, too! So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I
>> > can always return it for a full refund.
>> >
>> > What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is
>> > more expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!!
>> > Gotta pay for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
>>
>> Yes, it oculd be the Duratone II interior and pans. It's an enamel
>> made with clay and teflon, so probably nonstick.
>>
>> According to the description of each, they can both handle a 12" pizza
>> or 6 slices of bread.
>>
>> > Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
>
> So, is that "Durastone" worth the extra cost??? I have no clue! I
> figure(d) it's just a new name (perhaps?) for the stuff that was called
> 'silverstone' years ago. Another type of Teflon, so to speak?
>
> Sky, who could Google, but'd rather ask here <G>
>

I can't say for sure. The model you bought said "wipe clean". I don't
know how that compares to a non-stick surface like the Durastone II. I
couldn't find more out by hitting Google. I think I'd need to see them
both up front and close and run my hand over the surfaces.

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Sky wrote:

>
> I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> feature, too. Here's the link:
>
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
>
>
We bought one of those last summer, after the most recent B&D toaster
oven died.
I've roasted lamb in it, baked cakes, scones, and bread, I've not yet
tried the rotisserie. It bakes well, but IMO is totally useless at
toasting, so we also bought a two-slice pop-up toaster.

The only problem I have is with the side rails, which are not continuous
- they're two short ridges, one toward the back and one toward the front
- which means that a heavily-laden tray can tip while being removed.
Not really a problem if the unit is sitting on the counter, but ours is
on a shelf above the counter.

The convection function does work, but even with it, browning is not
perfectly even. Much better, though, than without convection.

It has been very easy to keep clean - even the spatters from roasted
meat wiped off with little or no effort.

S Viemeister wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> > feature, too. Here's the link:
> >
> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
> >
> >
> We bought one of those last summer, after the most recent B&D toaster
> oven died.
> I've roasted lamb in it, baked cakes, scones, and bread, I've not yet
> tried the rotisserie. It bakes well, but IMO is totally useless at
> toasting, so we also bought a two-slice pop-up toaster.
>
> The only problem I have is with the side rails, which are not continuous
> - they're two short ridges, one toward the back and one toward the front
> - which means that a heavily-laden tray can tip while being removed.
> Not really a problem if the unit is sitting on the counter, but ours is
> on a shelf above the counter.
>
> The convection function does work, but even with it, browning is not
> perfectly even. Much better, though, than without convection.
>
> It has been very easy to keep clean - even the spatters from roasted
> meat wiped off with little or no effort.

Thanks so much for your comments. They greatly help, especially since I
cannot see this particular model before I order it from BB&B for
delivery. With the current and nearly-useless Rival TO -- the spring
that holds the door shut has broken -- it toasted bread so poorly that
we've had to resort to a regular 2-slice toaster, also.

Sky

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Sun 11 Jan 2009 11:35:54p, Sky told us...
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun 11 Jan 2009 10:38:51p, Sky told us...
> >>
> >> > Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
> >> > right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have
> >> > put it through the paces.
> >> >
> >> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> >> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> >> > feature, too. Here's the link:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
> >> >
> >> > or
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
> >> >
> >> > When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this
> >> > particular TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it
> >> > there to take advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the
> >> > S&H costs, too! So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I
> >> > can always return it for a full refund.
> >> >
> >> > What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is
> >> > more expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!!
> >> > Gotta pay for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
> >>
> >> Yes, it oculd be the Duratone II interior and pans. It's an enamel
> >> made with clay and teflon, so probably nonstick.
> >>
> >> According to the description of each, they can both handle a 12" pizza
> >> or 6 slices of bread.
> >>
> >> > Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
> >
> > So, is that "Durastone" worth the extra cost??? I have no clue! I
> > figure(d) it's just a new name (perhaps?) for the stuff that was called
> > 'silverstone' years ago. Another type of Teflon, so to speak?
> >
> > Sky, who could Google, but'd rather ask here <G>
> >
>
> I can't say for sure. The model you bought said "wipe clean". I don't
> know how that compares to a non-stick surface like the Durastone II. I
> couldn't find more out by hitting Google. I think I'd need to see them
> both up front and close and run my hand over the surfaces.

Thanks, Wayne. I think I'll just stick with the less-expensive - and
larger <g> - TO from Delonghi. I'll make more comments after I buy it
and it arrives. I'd much prefer to look at the TO first-hand before
purchase, but that's not possible since BB&B doesn't have it in stock.
Stay tuned . . . .. ;D

Sky

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Sky wrote:
> Sky wrote:
>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>
>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse and
>> I usually cook single portions.
>>
>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better? I'd
>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>> possible. TIA.
>>
>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>>
>> --
>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
>
> Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
> right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
> it through the paces.
>
> I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> feature, too. Here's the link:
>
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
>
> When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
> TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
> advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
> So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
> it for a full refund.
>
> What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
> expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
> for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
>
> Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
>

Looks like a nice one, Sky. Best of luck with it.

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
> > Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
> > right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
> > it through the paces.
> >
> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> > feature, too. Here's the link:
> >
> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
> >
> > When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
> > TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
> > advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
> > So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
> > it for a full refund.
> >
> > What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
> > expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
> > for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
> >
> > Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
> >
>
> Looks like a nice one, Sky. Best of luck with it.

Thanks, Janet! I hope it's a nice one, too. I only wish I could've
seen it first-hand prior to purchase. "S Viemeister's" comments were
very helpful since their TO is the same make/model. I went by BB&B
today with 20%-off coupon in-hand. So, I pre-paid $80 + sales tax for
the TO, and it will be delivered to my home via FedEx in a week or two.
I think that's a easonable price, especially if it works well in the
long run. I just hope I'm not disappointed with it, otherwise. Time
will tell.

Sky

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On Mon 12 Jan 2009 09:54:27a, Sky told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> On Sun 11 Jan 2009 11:35:54p, Sky told us...
>>
>> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun 11 Jan 2009 10:38:51p, Sky told us...
>> >>
>> >> > Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made
the
>> >> > right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and
have
>> >> > put it through the paces.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
>> >> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
>> >> > feature, too. Here's the link:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...der_num=1&SKU=
16141526
>> >> >
>> >> > or
>> >> >
>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
>> >> >
>> >> > When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this
>> >> > particular TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it
>> >> > there to take advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive
the
>> >> > S&H costs, too! So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it,
I
>> >> > can always return it for a full refund.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is
>> >> > more expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!!
>> >> > Gotta pay for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
>> >>
>> >> Yes, it oculd be the Duratone II interior and pans. It's an enamel
>> >> made with clay and teflon, so probably nonstick.
>> >>
>> >> According to the description of each, they can both handle a 12"
pizza
>> >> or 6 slices of bread.
>> >>
>> >> > Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
>> >
>> > So, is that "Durastone" worth the extra cost??? I have no clue! I
>> > figure(d) it's just a new name (perhaps?) for the stuff that was
called
>> > 'silverstone' years ago. Another type of Teflon, so to speak?
>> >
>> > Sky, who could Google, but'd rather ask here <G>
>> >
>>
>> I can't say for sure. The model you bought said "wipe clean". I don't
>> know how that compares to a non-stick surface like the Durastone II. I
>> couldn't find more out by hitting Google. I think I'd need to see them
>> both up front and close and run my hand over the surfaces.
>
> Thanks, Wayne. I think I'll just stick with the less-expensive - and
> larger <g> - TO from Delonghi. I'll make more comments after I buy it
> and it arrives. I'd much prefer to look at the TO first-hand before
> purchase, but that's not possible since BB&B doesn't have it in stock.
> Stay tuned . . . .. ;D
>
> Sky
>

Yes, I'll be interested. We might be ready to buy one soon.

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Sky wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>> Sky wrote:
>>> Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
>>> right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
>>> it through the paces.
>>>
>>> I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
>>> 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
>>> feature, too. Here's the link:
>>>
>>> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
>>>
>>> When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
>>> TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
>>> advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
>>> So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
>>> it for a full refund.
>>>
>>> What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
>>> expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
>>> for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
>>>
>>> Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there
>>>
>> Looks like a nice one, Sky. Best of luck with it.
>
> Thanks, Janet! I hope it's a nice one, too. I only wish I could've
> seen it first-hand prior to purchase. "S Viemeister's" comments were
> very helpful since their TO is the same make/model. I went by BB&B
> today with 20%-off coupon in-hand. So, I pre-paid $80 + sales tax for
> the TO, and it will be delivered to my home via FedEx in a week or two.
> I think that's a easonable price, especially if it works well in the
> long run. I just hope I'm not disappointed with it, otherwise. Time
> will tell.
>
> Sky
>
Sounds like a good price and it has the rotis, the convection and it's
big. What more could you ask for? Well, maybe one that makes toast <vbg>

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> > Janet Wilder wrote:
> >>
> >> Looks like a nice one, Sky. Best of luck with it.
> >
> > Thanks, Janet! I hope it's a nice one, too. I only wish I could've
> > seen it first-hand prior to purchase. "S Viemeister's" comments were
> > very helpful since their TO is the same make/model. I went by BB&B
> > today with 20%-off coupon in-hand. So, I pre-paid $80 + sales tax for
> > the TO, and it will be delivered to my home via FedEx in a week or two.
> > I think that's a reasonable price, especially if it works well in the
> > long run. I just hope I'm not disappointed with it, otherwise. Time
> > will tell.
> >
> > Sky
> >
> Sounds like a good price and it has the rotis, the convection and it's
> big. What more could you ask for? Well, maybe one that makes toast <vbg>

LOL!!! Too funny, Janet! Yeah, I don't think I'll count on the new TO
to toast toast ;> That'd be too much to hope or ask <giggle>.

Sky

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Sky wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>> Sky wrote:
>>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> Looks like a nice one, Sky. Best of luck with it.
>>> Thanks, Janet! I hope it's a nice one, too. I only wish I could've
>>> seen it first-hand prior to purchase. "S Viemeister's" comments were
>>> very helpful since their TO is the same make/model. I went by BB&B
>>> today with 20%-off coupon in-hand. So, I pre-paid $80 + sales tax for
>>> the TO, and it will be delivered to my home via FedEx in a week or two.
>>> I think that's a reasonable price, especially if it works well in the
>>> long run. I just hope I'm not disappointed with it, otherwise. Time
>>> will tell.
>>>
>>> Sky
>>>
>> Sounds like a good price and it has the rotis, the convection and it's
>> big. What more could you ask for? Well, maybe one that makes toast <vbg>
>
> LOL!!! Too funny, Janet! Yeah, I don't think I'll count on the new TO
> to toast toast ;> That'd be too much to hope or ask <giggle>.
>

I've considered using ours when I need vast quantities of toast - 6
slices on the top rack, 6 on the bottom, and flipping positions half-way
through........

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> I made a small eye round roast in the new TO tonight. Used the
> convection setting. It was very good and I didn't have to heat up the
> house with the oven.

It is the coldest night in St Louis in over a decade. Tonight, heating
the whole house (or at least kitchen) with the oven seems a good thing.
Now on the hottest days of summer, no.

jt

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:42:54 GMT, jt august > wrote:

>It is the coldest night in St Louis in over a decade. Tonight, heating
>the whole house (or at least kitchen) with the oven seems a good thing.

Well, you're sending that cold on east to us. The high in Washington tomorrow is
supposed to be 21. 8

If it lasts, that could keep the inaugural crowds down.

-- Larry

I did a lot of research before replacing mine last year, including a look at Consumer Reports. I purchased a Cuisinart ConvectionOven/Toaster Broiler with Exact Heat, Model 165 (also Model 165C - I don't know the difference). It is a little bigger and bulkier than my old toaster broiler, but I find that I use this for many things now, including the convection oven. What's funny about this, is that in my old co-op apartment, I had a Microwave with a convection oven and never used the convection part. My spouse and I like different foods, and this makes it easier to cook small portions efficiently. I have never had any problems with it. However, when I was reading reviews on the product, people wrote how it browned evenly. My toast tends to get darker in the part of the bread that is towards the back of the oven, but it's not all that significant. I purchased my appliance at Costco, who had the best price.

Lots of luck!

FoodCruiser wrote:
> Sky;1227898 Wrote:
>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>
>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse
>> and
>> I usually cook single portions.
>>
>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>>
>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better?
>> I'd
>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>> possible. TIA.
>>
>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>>
>> --
>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
>
> I did a lot of research before replacing mine last year, including a
> look at Consumer Reports. I purchased a Cuisinart
> ConvectionOven/Toaster Broiler with Exact Heat, Model 165 (also Model
> 165C - I don't know the difference). It is a little bigger and bulkier
> than my old toaster broiler, but I find that I use this for many things
> now, including the convection oven. What's funny about this, is that in
> my old co-op apartment, I had a Microwave with a convection oven and
> never used the convection part. My spouse and I like different foods,
> and this makes it easier to cook small portions efficiently. I have
> never had any problems with it. However, when I was reading reviews on
> the product, people wrote how it browned evenly. My toast tends to get
> darker in the part of the bread that is towards the back of the oven,
> but it's not all that significant. I purchased my appliance at Costco,
> who had the best price.

I have the new Cuisinart, too. Mine is stainless and black, otherwise
they are the same. My toast is evenly browned. Bagels are perfect and I
could not be happier with the product, especially it's easy-clean
features. I can't begin to tell you how much pleasure it gives my little
OCD-anal-retentive soul to have a spotless TO on my counter.

On Thu 15 Jan 2009 03:39:31p, Janet Wilder told us...

> FoodCruiser wrote:
>> Sky;1227898 Wrote:
>>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>>
>>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse
>>> and
>>> I usually cook single portions.
>>>
>>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>>>
>>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better?
>>> I'd
>>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>>> possible. TIA.
>>>
>>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
>>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
>>
>> I did a lot of research before replacing mine last year, including a
>> look at Consumer Reports. I purchased a Cuisinart
>> ConvectionOven/Toaster Broiler with Exact Heat, Model 165 (also Model
>> 165C - I don't know the difference). It is a little bigger and bulkier
>> than my old toaster broiler, but I find that I use this for many things
>> now, including the convection oven. What's funny about this, is that in
>> my old co-op apartment, I had a Microwave with a convection oven and
>> never used the convection part. My spouse and I like different foods,
>> and this makes it easier to cook small portions efficiently. I have
>> never had any problems with it. However, when I was reading reviews on
>> the product, people wrote how it browned evenly. My toast tends to get
>> darker in the part of the bread that is towards the back of the oven,
>> but it's not all that significant. I purchased my appliance at Costco,
>> who had the best price.
>
> I have the new Cuisinart, too. Mine is stainless and black, otherwise
> they are the same. My toast is evenly browned. Bagels are perfect and I
> could not be happier with the product, especially it's easy-clean
> features. I can't begin to tell you how much pleasure it gives my little
> OCD-anal-retentive soul to have a spotless TO on my counter.
>

Janet, what exactly is it's easy-clean feature? Is it a removable liner,
non-stick interior, etc.? We use our toaster oven primarily for broiling
or roasting small quantities of meat which makes quite a mess.

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Sky wrote:
>
> Well, I think I've decided which new TO to buy. I hope I've made the
> right decision. I'll find out after it's ordered, received and have put
> it through the paces.
>
> I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> feature, too. Here's the link:
>
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
>
> When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
> TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
> advantage of the 20%-off coupon. And, they'd waive the S&H costs, too!
> So that's a good thing. If I'm not happy with it, I can always return
> it for a full refund.
>
> What I don't understand is why the smaller Delonghi 0.5 cf oven is more
> expensive? Perhaps it's something with the "Durastone"??!! Gotta pay
> for that "label" I suppose (heh!).
>
> Sky, who still isn't 100% sure yet but almost there

The new Delonghi TO arrived today. The (UPS) shipping box had a rather
large hole in it (I took photos), and there was also a corresponding
hole in the product box. There are a couple of places on the actual TO
frame where there are obvious 'dings' due to mishandling during
shipping. In part, based on this/these cosmetic problem(s), albeit
slight, I will return the TO to BB&B. I've purchased damaged products
before, but I don't expect to pay full price for them!

Also, I'm rather disappointed with the 'quality' of this TO. The
materials seem very 'cheap' (I know, I know, I was rather 'cheap' by not
spending no more than the $100 sticker price without the 20%-off
coupon).

Another point is the absence of a 'timer' dial on the TO! I didn't
realize how important that 'timer' is until I noticed this Delonghi TO
model didn't have one. Also, the 'convection fan' started a low 'growl'
when used the first time to burn off any manufacturing residue.
Somehow, I think this may become a big problem with prolonged use over a
short period of time (?!).

In a short bit, I'll test out the rotisserie feature just to see if it's
something I'd really like to have or use when the next replacement TO is
purchased; I'll roast a pork tenderloin. I may 'spill a few more
beans', er... dollars, and buy a better quality convection TO after
all. Spouse thinks I'm crazy, but that's normal <g>.

As previously noted by "S Viemeister," there is the issue about the
inadequate side ridges to hold the racks in place. I agree, they are
very unsatisfactory. Definitly more than inadequate, so that's another
reason to return the TO (sigh).

Well, it was worthwhile to order this TO just to find out. Live and
Learn ;/ Stay tuned for further developments ;D

Sky

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 15 Jan 2009 03:39:31p, Janet Wilder told us...
>
>> FoodCruiser wrote:
>>> Sky;1227898 Wrote:
>>>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>>>
>>>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>>>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-oven
>>>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse
>>>> and
>>>> I usually cook single portions.
>>>>
>>>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>>>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>>>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at all.
>>>>
>>>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>>>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better?
>>>> I'd
>>>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>>>> possible. TIA.
>>>>
>>>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
>>>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
>>> I did a lot of research before replacing mine last year, including a
>>> look at Consumer Reports. I purchased a Cuisinart
>>> ConvectionOven/Toaster Broiler with Exact Heat, Model 165 (also Model
>>> 165C - I don't know the difference). It is a little bigger and bulkier
>>> than my old toaster broiler, but I find that I use this for many things
>>> now, including the convection oven. What's funny about this, is that in
>>> my old co-op apartment, I had a Microwave with a convection oven and
>>> never used the convection part. My spouse and I like different foods,
>>> and this makes it easier to cook small portions efficiently. I have
>>> never had any problems with it. However, when I was reading reviews on
>>> the product, people wrote how it browned evenly. My toast tends to get
>>> darker in the part of the bread that is towards the back of the oven,
>>> but it's not all that significant. I purchased my appliance at Costco,
>>> who had the best price.
>> I have the new Cuisinart, too. Mine is stainless and black, otherwise
>> they are the same. My toast is evenly browned. Bagels are perfect and I
>> could not be happier with the product, especially it's easy-clean
>> features. I can't begin to tell you how much pleasure it gives my little
>> OCD-anal-retentive soul to have a spotless TO on my counter.
>>
>
> Janet, what exactly is it's easy-clean feature? Is it a removable liner,
> non-stick interior, etc.? We use our toaster oven primarily for broiling
> or roasting small quantities of meat which makes quite a mess.
>
The walls are made of a very smooth easy-clean material something like
non-stick surface. The glass is easy to clean on both sides. My previous
TO had a door that slid up and was impossible to clean without taking
the whole door off, which was not easy.

The grill and drip pans are made of heavy metal, not flimsy aluminum, so
they scrub clean with a 3M, some dish soap and a minimum of elbow
grease. The rack cleans up with dish soap and a Dobie™ pad. The touch
pad cleans up with a squirt of Windex® which is what I use on the
laminate counter tops.

I just love it. I still can't believe it did such an awesome job with
that roast.

In article >,
pltrgyst > wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:42:54 GMT, jt august > wrote:
>
> >It is the coldest night in St Louis in over a decade. Tonight, heating
> >the whole house (or at least kitchen) with the oven seems a good thing.
>
> Well, you're sending that cold on east to us. The high in Washington tomorrow
> is
> supposed to be 21. 8
>
> If it lasts, that could keep the inaugural crowds down.
>
> -- Larry

Larry, as I type, the temp is 5 F and dropping. I tried standing on the
front porch and blowing, but the cold front isn't moving fast enough.

jt

On Thu 15 Jan 2009 07:03:52p, Janet Wilder told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 15 Jan 2009 03:39:31p, Janet Wilder told us...
>>
>>> FoodCruiser wrote:
>>>> Sky;1227898 Wrote:
>>>>> X-Posted & Followups set to "rec.food.equipment"
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, my not-so-old counter-top toaster-oven, a cheap Rival model, is
>>>>> nearly dead. So, it needs to be replaced very soon. The toaster-
oven
>>>>> is used frequently, often several times during the day since spouse
>>>>> and
>>>>> I usually cook single portions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might also consider buying a replacement that is a bit more robust
>>>>> than a simple toaster-oven, perhaps one that includes a 'convection'
>>>>> option? But, I don't know much about convection cooking/baking at
all.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the pros & cons, etc., for any particular toaster-oven,
>>>>> especially if it includes convection? Is convection baking better?
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> like to hear about first-hand experience about convection cooking if
>>>>> possible. TIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sky, who'll wait for the after-holidays sales
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
>>>>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
>>>> I did a lot of research before replacing mine last year, including a
>>>> look at Consumer Reports. I purchased a Cuisinart
>>>> ConvectionOven/Toaster Broiler with Exact Heat, Model 165 (also Model
>>>> 165C - I don't know the difference). It is a little bigger and bulkier
>>>> than my old toaster broiler, but I find that I use this for many
things
>>>> now, including the convection oven. What's funny about this, is that
in
>>>> my old co-op apartment, I had a Microwave with a convection oven and
>>>> never used the convection part. My spouse and I like different foods,
>>>> and this makes it easier to cook small portions efficiently. I have
>>>> never had any problems with it. However, when I was reading reviews on
>>>> the product, people wrote how it browned evenly. My toast tends to
get
>>>> darker in the part of the bread that is towards the back of the oven,
>>>> but it's not all that significant. I purchased my appliance at Costco,
>>>> who had the best price.
>>> I have the new Cuisinart, too. Mine is stainless and black, otherwise
>>> they are the same. My toast is evenly browned. Bagels are perfect and I
>>> could not be happier with the product, especially it's easy-clean
>>> features. I can't begin to tell you how much pleasure it gives my
little
>>> OCD-anal-retentive soul to have a spotless TO on my counter.
>>>
>>
>> Janet, what exactly is it's easy-clean feature? Is it a removable
liner,
>> non-stick interior, etc.? We use our toaster oven primarily for
broiling
>> or roasting small quantities of meat which makes quite a mess.
>>
> The walls are made of a very smooth easy-clean material something like
> non-stick surface. The glass is easy to clean on both sides. My previous
> TO had a door that slid up and was impossible to clean without taking
> the whole door off, which was not easy.
>
> The grill and drip pans are made of heavy metal, not flimsy aluminum, so
> they scrub clean with a 3M, some dish soap and a minimum of elbow
> grease. The rack cleans up with dish soap and a Dobie™ pad. The touch
> pad cleans up with a squirt of Windex® which is what I use on the
> laminate counter tops.
>
> I just love it. I still can't believe it did such an awesome job with
> that roast.
>

Thanks for the complete description, Janet. It sounds like one I would like
and could keep clean. If you haven't already guessed, I am also an OCD-
anal-retentive soul. <g>

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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Sky wrote:

> The new Delonghi TO arrived today. The (UPS) shipping box had a rather
> large hole in it (I took photos), and there was also a corresponding
> hole in the product box. There are a couple of places on the actual TO
> frame where there are obvious 'dings' due to mishandling during
> shipping. In part, based on this/these cosmetic problem(s), albeit
> slight, I will return the TO to BB&B. I've purchased damaged products
> before, but I don't expect to pay full price for them!
>
> Also, I'm rather disappointed with the 'quality' of this TO. The
> materials seem very 'cheap' (I know, I know, I was rather 'cheap' by not
> spending no more than the $100 sticker price without the 20%-off
> coupon).
>
> Another point is the absence of a 'timer' dial on the TO! I didn't
> realize how important that 'timer' is until I noticed this Delonghi TO
> model didn't have one. Also, the 'convection fan' started a low 'growl'
> when used the first time to burn off any manufacturing residue.
> Somehow, I think this may become a big problem with prolonged use over a
> short period of time (?!).
>
> In a short bit, I'll test out the rotisserie feature just to see if it's
> something I'd really like to have or use when the next replacement TO is
> purchased; I'll roast a pork tenderloin. I may 'spill a few more
> beans', er... dollars, and buy a better quality convection TO after
> all. Spouse thinks I'm crazy, but that's normal <g>.
>
> As previously noted by "S Viemeister," there is the issue about the
> inadequate side ridges to hold the racks in place. I agree, they are
> very unsatisfactory. Definitly more than inadequate, so that's another
> reason to return the TO (sigh).
>
> Well, it was worthwhile to order this TO just to find out. Live and
> Learn ;/ Stay tuned for further developments ;D
>
> Sky
>

Check out Amazon for customer reviews. The Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster
Oven didn't make out too well.

Bob

}

BobS wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
>
> > The new Delonghi TO arrived today. The (UPS) shipping box had a rather
> > large hole in it (I took photos), and there was also a corresponding
> > hole in the product box. There are a couple of places on the actual TO
> > frame where there are obvious 'dings' due to mishandling during
> > shipping. In part, based on this/these cosmetic problem(s), albeit
> > slight, I will return the TO to BB&B. I've purchased damaged products
> > before, but I don't expect to pay full price for them!
> >
> > Also, I'm rather disappointed with the 'quality' of this TO. The
> > materials seem very 'cheap' (I know, I know, I was rather 'cheap' by not
> > spending no more than the $100 sticker price without the 20%-off
> > coupon).
> >
> > Another point is the absence of a 'timer' dial on the TO! I didn't
> > realize how important that 'timer' is until I noticed this Delonghi TO
> > model didn't have one. Also, the 'convection fan' started a low 'growl'
> > when used the first time to burn off any manufacturing residue.
> > Somehow, I think this may become a big problem with prolonged use over a
> > short period of time (?!).
> >
> > In a short bit, I'll test out the rotisserie feature just to see if it's
> > something I'd really like to have or use when the next replacement TO is
> > purchased; I'll roast a pork tenderloin. I may 'spill a few more
> > beans', er... dollars, and buy a better quality convection TO after
> > all. Spouse thinks I'm crazy, but that's normal <g>.
> >
> > As previously noted by "S Viemeister," there is the issue about the
> > inadequate side ridges to hold the racks in place. I agree, they are
> > very unsatisfactory. Definitly more than inadequate, so that's another
> > reason to return the TO (sigh).
> >
> > Well, it was worthwhile to order this TO just to find out. Live and
> > Learn ;/ Stay tuned for further developments ;D
> >
> > Sky
> >
>
> Check out Amazon for customer reviews. The Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster
> Oven didn't make out too well.
>
> Bob
>
> }

I thought I did, and didn't see any reviews - but with all the
'research' I did for my initial TO-replacement purchase, I know forget
what's what - figures ;/ Anywho, I did return the Delonghi to BB&B
today without any hitches. BB&B rocks

Sky

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Sky wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
(snip)
> >
> > I'm gonna go with the Delonghi 0.7 cf Toaster Oven from BB&B with a
> > 20%-off coupon. It's convection (I think?!) and has a rotisserie
> > feature, too. Here's the link:
> >
> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=16141526
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8lzjdp
> >
> > When I telephoned, the local BB&B said they did not have this particular
> > TO in stock, so I'd have to go to the store & order it there to take
> > advantage of the 20%-off coupon.
(snip)
>
> The new Delonghi TO arrived today. The (UPS) shipping box had a rather
> large hole in it (I took photos), and there was also a corresponding
> hole in the product box. There are a couple of places on the actual TO
> frame where there are obvious 'dings' due to mishandling during
> shipping. In part, based on this/these cosmetic problem(s), albeit
> slight, I will return the TO to BB&B. I've purchased damaged products
> before, but I don't expect to pay full price for them!
>
> Also, I'm rather disappointed with the 'quality' of this TO. The
> materials seem very 'cheap' (I know, I know, I was rather 'cheap' by not
> spending no more than the $100 sticker price without the 20%-off
> coupon).
>
> Another point is the absence of a 'timer' dial on the TO! I didn't
> realize how important that 'timer' is until I noticed this Delonghi TO
> model didn't have one. Also, the 'convection fan' started a low 'growl'
> when used the first time to burn off any manufacturing residue.
> Somehow, I think this may become a big problem with prolonged use over a
> short period of time (?!).
>
> In a short bit, I'll test out the rotisserie feature just to see if it's
> something I'd really like to have or use when the next replacement TO is
> purchased; I'll roast a pork tenderloin. I may 'spill a few more
> beans', er... dollars, and buy a better quality convection TO after
> all. Spouse thinks I'm crazy, but that's normal <g>.
>
> As previously noted by "S Viemeister," there is the issue about the
> inadequate side ridges to hold the racks in place. I agree, they are
> very unsatisfactory. Definitly more than inadequate, so that's another
> reason to return the TO (sigh).
>
> Well, it was worthwhile to order this TO just to find out. Live and
> Learn ;/ Stay tuned for further developments ;D
>
> Sky

Now, for the "rest of the story" <G>. Okay, I returned the Delonghi TO
today to BB&B without a hitch, due to the reasons listed above, a
received a full refund.

While at BB&B after the 'return', I looked at the other TOs they had
displayed. So, after some time-consuming examinations, I settled on and
bought a Krups model FBC2 TO (list price $160 before 20%-off coupon) -
and so far, I'm pleased with it. No, I haven't tried to toast bread in
it, yet <VBG>. The choices were between Oster, Kitchenaid, Calphalon,
Cuisinart, B&D, and one or two more brands I cannot remember. Nearly
all of them used poor materials (IMO). I was especially disappointed
with the Calphalon model!

But, that Krups seemed better and beter as I kept looking and
comparing. For one thing, the Krups hae 6 heating elements, 3 on top &
3 on bottom, instead of the typical 4 (2 top, 2 bottom) all the others
had. The materials on the Krups also seemed to be more sturdy, heavy &
durable, but time will tell if that's true or not.

Here's a link --
http://www.krupsusa.com/All+Products.../FBC2/FBC2.htm

or

http://tinyurl.com/8cqeok

With that Delonghi rotisserie, I test-cooked the first-half of a pork
tenderloin (package of two) last night, and I was VERY disappointed with
the results. Since I was using the rotisserie, I did not think I had
pre-brown the roast on the stove in a skillet. But, the rotisserie did
not brown the roast as I had expected it would. There was no crisp
outside with nice dark brown coloring as I would've expected the
rotisserie would provide. Instead, it was a limp, pale beige color with
no culinary or gastronomic appeal at all! Therefore, I decided to
forego the rotisserie feature altogether for any TO. I've never had a
rotisserie before, so I figured I can do without anywho

Tonight I cooked the other half of that pork tenderloin in the new Krups
TO, and I was very pleased with the outcome. I did quickly brown the
tenderloin roast on the stove in a skillet first (as I've always done
with nearly any roast) prior to putting it in the roasting pan and into
the TO with a meat thermometer to finish cooking. I also used the
convection bake setting, a feature I never had or used before. WOW -
what a difference! I bet I didn't have the roast in the TO for more
than 10 minutes if even that long. I could literally almost watch that
meat thermometer quickly climb the dial to ideal temprature

So, that's the outcome of my TO replacement saga so far. It'll be
interesting to bake a batch of banana-nut mini-muffins and see how much
faster and better they come out using that convection feature.

Sky, who did 'spill more beans' for that Krups TO and hopes it was worth
it!

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Sky > wrote in

> Sky, who did 'spill more beans' for that Krups TO and hopes it
> was worth it!

The reviews from America's Test kitchen (I love the show on TV)
rated "Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection Toaster Oven FBC412"
the best.

These were the ones they tested:

Black & Decker Countertop Convection Oven CTO100
Cuisinart Toaster Oven Broiler TOB-175BC
De'Longhi Convection Oven EO1258
Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven 31180
Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection Toaster Oven FBC412
Oster Counterforms Digital Convection 6-Slice Toaster Oven 6292
Rival Counter Top Oven CO606
Toastmaster Convection Toaster Oven Broiler COV760B

Their rating:

1 Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection TO FBC412
2 Oster Counterforms Digital Convection TO 6292 Recommended with
Reservations
3 Cuisinart TOB-175BC Recommended with Reservations

The others "NOT RECOMMENDED"
Black & Decker Countertop Convection Oven CTO100
De'Longhi Convection Oven EO1258
Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven 31180
Rival Counter Top Oven CO606
Toastmaster Convection Toaster Oven Broiler COV760B


You need to sign up though to see the equip. reviews.
http://www.americastestkitchen.com/

Hope this helps someone.

J

Sky wrote:

>
> With that Delonghi rotisserie, I test-cooked the first-half of a pork
> tenderloin (package of two) last night, and I was VERY disappointed with
> the results.

I can't believe you returned the TO after you cooked a roast in it after
you had already decided that you were going to return it. I just can't
believe it. There must be something wrong with me.

Moka Java wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
>
> >
> > With that Delonghi rotisserie, I test-cooked the first-half of a pork
> > tenderloin (package of two) last night, and I was VERY disappointed with
> > the results.
>
> I can't believe you returned the TO after you cooked a roast in it after
> you had already decided that you were going to return it. I just can't
> believe it. There must be something wrong with me.

Well, I wanted to learn if the rotisserie feature was something I wanted
or not since I had never used one before. I learned it was not
worthwhile. Be assured, I thoroughly cleaned the TO before it was
returned for a refund. Not to mention, the product was damaged during
shipment. Therefore, I did nothing wrong.

Sky, who feels no guilt

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Jay wrote:
>
> Sky > wrote in
>
> > Sky, who did 'spill more beans' for that Krups TO and hopes it
> > was worth it!
>
> The reviews from America's Test kitchen (I love the show on TV)
> rated "Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection Toaster Oven FBC412"
> the best.
>
> These were the ones they tested:
>
> Black & Decker Countertop Convection Oven CTO100
> Cuisinart Toaster Oven Broiler TOB-175BC
> De'Longhi Convection Oven EO1258
> Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven 31180
> Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection Toaster Oven FBC412
> Oster Counterforms Digital Convection 6-Slice Toaster Oven 6292
> Rival Counter Top Oven CO606
> Toastmaster Convection Toaster Oven Broiler COV760B
>
> Their rating:
>
> 1 Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection TO FBC412
> 2 Oster Counterforms Digital Convection TO 6292 Recommended with
> Reservations
> 3 Cuisinart TOB-175BC Recommended with Reservations
>
> The others "NOT RECOMMENDED"
> Black & Decker Countertop Convection Oven CTO100
> De'Longhi Convection Oven EO1258
> Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven 31180
> Rival Counter Top Oven CO606
> Toastmaster Convection Toaster Oven Broiler COV760B
>
> You need to sign up though to see the equip. reviews.
> http://www.americastestkitchen.com/
>
> Hope this helps someone.
>
> J

Thanks for the information Duh, I completely forgot about ATK when I
did my research prior to purchasing the TOs. I could've signed up free
for 14 days at ATK, hehe.

I think the difference between the Krups TO FBC4 and the FBC2 is former
includes some pre-settings for things like thin or thick pizza, cookies,
pastry, bagels and brownies. The FBV2 does not have these. I don't
think I'll miss those 'perks.' I think this Krups will be a keeper.

Also, the lady at BB&B said the Krups TO pretty much has a 'lifetime'
warranty at BB&B (more than just the one-year limited warranty with
Krups). If at anytime the TO breaks or fails, I can return it to BB&B
for replacement (or refund, I think?).

Sky, who tried to do the homework prior to purchasing the new TO

P.S. The new Krups TO toasts bread pretty darn well

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Sky wrote:
> Jay wrote:
>> Sky > wrote in
>>
>>> Sky, who did 'spill more beans' for that Krups TO and hopes it
>>> was worth it!
>> The reviews from America's Test kitchen (I love the show on TV)
>> rated "Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection Toaster Oven FBC412"
>> the best.
>>
>> These were the ones they tested:
>>
>> Black & Decker Countertop Convection Oven CTO100
>> Cuisinart Toaster Oven Broiler TOB-175BC
>> De'Longhi Convection Oven EO1258
>> Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven 31180
>> Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection Toaster Oven FBC412
>> Oster Counterforms Digital Convection 6-Slice Toaster Oven 6292
>> Rival Counter Top Oven CO606
>> Toastmaster Convection Toaster Oven Broiler COV760B
>>
>> Their rating:
>>
>> 1 Krups 6-Slice Digital Convection TO FBC412
>> 2 Oster Counterforms Digital Convection TO 6292 Recommended with
>> Reservations
>> 3 Cuisinart TOB-175BC Recommended with Reservations
>>
>> The others "NOT RECOMMENDED"
>> Black & Decker Countertop Convection Oven CTO100
>> De'Longhi Convection Oven EO1258
>> Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven 31180
>> Rival Counter Top Oven CO606
>> Toastmaster Convection Toaster Oven Broiler COV760B
>>
>> You need to sign up though to see the equip. reviews.
>> http://www.americastestkitchen.com/
>>
>> Hope this helps someone.
>>
>> J
>
> Thanks for the information Duh, I completely forgot about ATK when I
> did my research prior to purchasing the TOs. I could've signed up free
> for 14 days at ATK, hehe.
>
> I think the difference between the Krups TO FBC4 and the FBC2 is former
> includes some pre-settings for things like thin or thick pizza, cookies,
> pastry, bagels and brownies. The FBV2 does not have these. I don't
> think I'll miss those 'perks.' I think this Krups will be a keeper.
>
> Also, the lady at BB&B said the Krups TO pretty much has a 'lifetime'
> warranty at BB&B (more than just the one-year limited warranty with
> Krups). If at anytime the TO breaks or fails, I can return it to BB&B
> for replacement (or refund, I think?).
>
> Sky, who tried to do the homework prior to purchasing the new TO
>
> P.S. The new Krups TO toasts bread pretty darn well
>

Congrats, Sky. I hope you are as happy with your Krups as I am with my
Cuisinart. I baked fish with a Creole sauce in it last night. My 8" x 8"
Pyrex™ baking dish is seeing a lot of use. I originally bought it for
the micro/convection we had in our last motor home, but it fits
perfectly in the TO and holds just the right amount for 2 people.

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
(snips)
> >
> > Also, the lady at BB&B said the Krups TO pretty much has a 'lifetime'
> > warranty at BB&B (more than just the one-year limited warranty with
> > Krups). If at anytime the TO breaks or fails, I can return it to BB&B
> > for replacement (or refund, I think?).
> >
> > Sky, who tried to do the homework prior to purchasing the new TO
> >
> > P.S. The new Krups TO toasts bread pretty darn well
>
> Congrats, Sky. I hope you are as happy with your Krups as I am with my
> Cuisinart. I baked fish with a Creole sauce in it last night. My 8" x 8"
> Pyrex™ baking dish is seeing a lot of use. I originally bought it for
> the micro/convection we had in our last motor home, but it fits
> perfectly in the TO and holds just the right amount for 2 people.

Thanks, Janet. This TO really seems to fit the bill so far. As I type
this reply, the TO is pre-heating to cook a 1/2-frozen 8.5" pizza for
Spouse. I'm using the convection feature which will be another learning
experience

Sky

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:58:47 -0600, Sky > wrote:

>> I can't believe you returned the TO after you cooked a roast in it after
>> you had already decided that you were going to return it. I just can't
>> believe it. There must be something wrong with me.
>
>Well, I wanted to learn if the rotisserie feature was something I wanted
>or not since I had never used one before. I learned it was not
>worthwhile. Be assured, I thoroughly cleaned the TO before it was
>returned for a refund. Not to mention, the product was damaged during
>shipment...

Keep trying -- maybe you'll find a valid excuse. You could try sending a note to
"The Ethicist" at the NY Times.

> Therefore, I did nothing wrong.

There we go! Proof by blatant assertion, my favorite!

>Sky, who feels no guilt

No one would expect a basically dishonest person to feel guilt.

Into the global killfile you go. {plonk}

-- Larry