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Happy New Year!

Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D

So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
relying on Consumer Reports.

If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
speaking. TIA.

Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:39:20 -0600, Sky >
wrote:

>Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!

What size are you looking for? I used to buy the two slice size, but
I also used it for toast. I haven't used a toaster oven since GE sold
their small appliance division! I'll probably buy one this year - if
I can find the small size.


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interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Sky" > wrote in message
...
> X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> speaking. TIA.
>
> Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>
> --
> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
I have the Bravetti toaster/convection/rotisserie oven. I've only had
it for a couple of months, and don't use it for toast, but so far I like it.
I got it for 59.95 Canadian and that was half price on sale at Canadian
Tire. I've used it for baking small things, casseroles and rotisseried
chicken. I'm not sure about the baking thing, because I've never had a
convection oven before. I made brownies in it and they came out dry. I'm
sure I should have adjusted the time because of the convection. My main
reason for it was that it was big enough to put in a cassserole dish. It
has two wire racks and a solid drip tray. I haven't tested the cleanability
of it. It has a removable crumb tray at the very bottom....hth....Sharon

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:39:20 -0600, Sky >
wrote:

Just a thought, Mon Ami!

If you are a middling' - to - advanced cook.....

Get one that's deep enough to hold your favorite
skillet or casserole , or maybe a pizza pan. That
way you can use it as a salamander when needed.
Example. 8 inch skillet, Frittata, stovetop, then
top finished in the TO.

HTH

Alex

sf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:39:20 -0600, Sky >
> wrote:
>
> >Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>
> What size are you looking for? I used to buy the two slice size, but
> I also used it for toast. I haven't used a toaster oven since GE sold
> their small appliance division! I'll probably buy one this year - if
> I can find the small size.
>

Something that would fit a 12" frozen pizza perhaps. A 6-slice-toaster
size.

Sky

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On Jan 3, 2:39*pm, Sky > wrote:
> X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. *Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. *We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. *I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. *However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> features does it have that you like? *Perhaps a TO with convection might
> be nice? *I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> speaking. *TIA.
>
> Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>
> --
> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

Convection is a great feature. It evens out the heat. Love mine. It's
Cooks brand, couple years old, from Penneys. I don't think they make
it any longer but the manufacturer is Bialetti.
It's sturdy, works well and only cost me about $40.

I know you said you don't toast bread often but if you ever do, the
convection feature helps. If the toaster oven if tall enough to roast
a chicken, then it's too tall to toast bread well. But with
convection, it does a good job on toast, as well as baking anything.
I highly recommend the convection feature.

biig wrote:
>
> "Sky" > wrote in message
> ...
> > X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
> >
> > If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> > features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> > be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> > unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> > I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> > something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> > speaking. TIA.
> >
> > Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
> >
> > --
> > Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
> > Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
> I have the Bravetti toaster/convection/rotisserie oven. I've only had
> it for a couple of months, and don't use it for toast, but so far I like it.
> I got it for 59.95 Canadian and that was half price on sale at Canadian
> Tire. I've used it for baking small things, casseroles and rotisseried
> chicken. I'm not sure about the baking thing, because I've never had a
> convection oven before. I made brownies in it and they came out dry. I'm
> sure I should have adjusted the time because of the convection. My main
> reason for it was that it was big enough to put in a cassserole dish. It
> has two wire racks and a solid drip tray. I haven't tested the cleanability
> of it. It has a removable crumb tray at the very bottom....hth....Sharon

Thanks for your feedback, Sharon. I'm definitely researching the
options for a TO and trying to find the best price, too. I do have the
20%-off coupon for BB&B, which I may use. Depends on the weekly sales
circulars and such.

Sky, who hates shopping!

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Chemiker wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:39:20 -0600, Sky >
> wrote:
>
> Just a thought, Mon Ami!
>
> If you are a middling' - to - advanced cook.....
>
> Get one that's deep enough to hold your favorite
> skillet or casserole , or maybe a pizza pan. That
> way you can use it as a salamander when needed.
> Example. 8 inch skillet, Frittata, stovetop, then
> top finished in the TO.
>
> HTH
>
> Alex

I appreciate the feedback, Alex. Very good points to keep in mind.

Sky, who really does dislike shopping

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Sky wrote:
> X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> speaking. TIA.
>
> Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>
I recently got a new TO and I just love it. I don't think I've turned on
the oven since I got it. It is very easy to keep clean and that is very
important to me. I'm a little OCD :-)

This is the one I got, only mine was stainless and cost a bit more.

http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=4178

It is also convection. I love how easy it is to set the amount of
toasting. It broils beautifully and the pan is so easy to clean up. I'm
not too thrilled with the crumb tray having to come out of the back, but
if that's the only issue, it's really not much of an issue.



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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

wrote:
>
> On Jan 3, 2:39 pm, Sky > wrote:
> > X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
> >
> > If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> > features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> > be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> > unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> > I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> > something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> > speaking. TIA.
> >
> > Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
> >
> > --
> > Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
> > Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
>
> Convection is a great feature. It evens out the heat. Love mine. It's
> Cooks brand, couple years old, from Penneys. I don't think they make
> it any longer but the manufacturer is Bialetti.
> It's sturdy, works well and only cost me about $40.
>
> I know you said you don't toast bread often but if you ever do, the
> convection feature helps. If the toaster oven if tall enough to roast
> a chicken, then it's too tall to toast bread well. But with
> convection, it does a good job on toast, as well as baking anything.
> I highly recommend the convection feature.

Thanks for all the comments I really do think the convection feature
will be a plus and is the way to go.

Sky

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>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.

> Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!

i have a krupps that i bought in dec. 2007 from the macy's website.
it's a big one about the same size as the micro. however, it has a
convection oven feature that i really like. cost was a bit pricey,
$159, plus tax, plus shipping. i use the krupps to bake bread, heat
one sput, toast, etc., but soo very very much better for than the
delonghi that took forever to die, and which i hated.

hariet & critters (j j the world famous jack russell terrior who had a
fun day at the doggy park; and faddy tabby catty who is not happy
because i'm making her wait for her food until about 7:00 PM.)
>
> --

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> > X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
> >
> > If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> > features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> > be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> > unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> > I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> > something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> > speaking. TIA.
> >
> > Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
> >
> I recently got a new TO and I just love it. I don't think I've turned on
> the oven since I got it. It is very easy to keep clean and that is very
> important to me. I'm a little OCD :-)
>
> This is the one I got, only mine was stainless and cost a bit more.
>
> http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=4178
>
> It is also convection. I love how easy it is to set the amount of
> toasting. It broils beautifully and the pan is so easy to clean up. I'm
> not too thrilled with the crumb tray having to come out of the back, but
> if that's the only issue, it's really not much of an issue.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life

Thanks for the link, Janet. It helps greatly.

Sky

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mequeenbe.nospam wrote:
>
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> > Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>
> i have a krupps that i bought in dec. 2007 from the macy's website.
> it's a big one about the same size as the micro. however, it has a
> convection oven feature that i really like. cost was a bit pricey,
> $159, plus tax, plus shipping. i use the krupps to bake bread, heat
> one sput, toast, etc., but soo very very much better for than the
> delonghi that took forever to die, and which i hated.
>
> hariet & critters (j j the world famous jack russell terrior who had a
> fun day at the doggy park; and faddy tabby catty who is not happy
> because i'm making her wait for her food until about 7:00 PM.)
> >
> > --

Thanks for the feedback. Why did you dislike the Delonghi so much? The
Delonghi "Esclusivo" (model DO1279) TO is listed by Consumer Reports and
had relatively good rating, but it was the top choice. TIA.

Sky

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Sky wrote:
>
> X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> speaking. TIA.
>
> Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>


We've done well enough in the past with TOs from Black and Decker but
the quality seems to be lacking in the newer ones. They may just be
putting their name on something made in China and never mind the rest.
The one we have now is from B and D bought 5+ years ago and is slightly
oversize. Will hold 8 inch square baking dish or 6-well muffin tin. One
with a removeable liner inside makes cleaning easier. Can't help you
with the rotisserie or convection oven cos we have the former and don't
care about the latter

Arri London wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
> > X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
> >
> > If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> > features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> > be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> > unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> > I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> > something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> > speaking. TIA.
> >
> > Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
> >
>
> We've done well enough in the past with TOs from Black and Decker but
> the quality seems to be lacking in the newer ones. They may just be
> putting their name on something made in China and never mind the rest.
> The one we have now is from B and D bought 5+ years ago and is slightly
> oversize. Will hold 8 inch square baking dish or 6-well muffin tin. One
> with a removeable liner inside makes cleaning easier. Can't help you
> with the rotisserie or convection oven cos we have the former and don't
> care about the latter

I agree about B&D TOs. But, the recent ones we've had from B&D the past
few years have turned out very poorly, so I think I'll avoid that brand
this time. I really, really liked the B&D 'space saver' TO, but that's
no longer available. I still haven't figured out which TO to choose.
I'm still researching

Sky

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Not all convection toaster ovens permit the convection mode while also
in the toasting mode.

If having both at the same time is important, before you purchase one
do some research.

Gary Hayman

zydecogary wrote:
>
> Not all convection toaster ovens permit the convection mode while also
> in the toasting mode.
>
> If having both at the same time is important, before you purchase one
> do some research.
>
> Gary Hayman

Thanks for the heads-up. The toaster oven (TO) will not be used to
toast bread. It's rather wasteful to use the very large oven on the
range to bake one or two potatoes or to bake a small batch of
mini-muffins. The former TO is/was used daily and frequently, but it's
a very rare occasion when the range oven is used.

Sky

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Sky wrote:
> zydecogary wrote:
>> Not all convection toaster ovens permit the convection mode while also
>> in the toasting mode.
>>
>> If having both at the same time is important, before you purchase one
>> do some research.
>>
>> Gary Hayman
>
> Thanks for the heads-up. The toaster oven (TO) will not be used to
> toast bread. It's rather wasteful to use the very large oven on the
> range to bake one or two potatoes or to bake a small batch of
> mini-muffins. The former TO is/was used daily and frequently, but it's
> a very rare occasion when the range oven is used.

Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the range oven.
I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they use less power than a
TO. They certainly add less heat to the room than a TO. Being self
cleaning, they are far easier to clean. I retired our toaster oven when
we got two wall ovens. The counter space was more valuable than the
"convenience".

Matthew

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On Jan 4, 8:31*am, "Matthew L. Martin"
---- snip ---
> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the range oven.
> I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they use less power than a
> TO. They certainly add less heat to the room than a TO. Being self
> cleaning, they are far easier to clean. I retired our toaster oven when
> we got two wall ovens. The counter space was more valuable than the
> "convenience".
>
> Matthew

Just speaking for myself ....

Ever since I purchased a nice size counter-top convection toaster oven
a few years ago I very seldom us my oven -- except for storage of
aluminum bowls and a bunch of odds and ends.

My toaster oven is big enough for a 12 inch pizza (there is an
accommodating bulge in the back) and holds all my silicon baking
equipment including muffin pans. I bake cakes, do broiling, browning,
toasting, warming, etc. The convection aspect is GREAT and everything
is evenly heated.

Actually, I don't even use my stove top anymore as I purchased an
Induction Hob about 6 months ago and am amazed at how good it is. I
wouldn't go back to glowing heat coils. And is it fast! With built in
temperature control and timer I live a cooks dream.

Gary Hayman

"Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in

> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the
> range oven. I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they
> use less power than a TO. They certainly add less heat to the
> room than a TO. Being self cleaning, they are far easier to
> clean. I retired our toaster oven when we got two wall ovens.
> The counter space was more valuable than the "convenience".
>
> Matthew

Didn't Sky say, "We mainly use the TO to bake
foods, rewarm pizza, etc., "?

I use mine for one potato and other small items.

Luke wrote:
> "Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in
>
>> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the
>> range oven. I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they
>> use less power than a TO. They certainly add less heat to the
>> room than a TO. Being self cleaning, they are far easier to
>> clean. I retired our toaster oven when we got two wall ovens.
>> The counter space was more valuable than the "convenience".
>>
>> Matthew
>
> Didn't Sky say, "We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., "?

Yes. I don't see how that invalidates my question. Sky has also said
that their TO wasn't used to make toast.

> I use mine for one potato and other small items.
>

The size of the item to be cooked doesn't mean very much. One oven baked
potato takes as long as 10. Most toaster ovens are not insulated
anywhere near as well as a self cleaning oven. It is quite possible that
a self cleaning oven would work better, use less power and keep the room
cooler in the summer.

Of course, YMMV.

Matthew

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In article >,
Sky > wrote:

> X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> speaking. TIA.
>
> Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!

I have a Toast Master model I bought 5 years ago on clearance that was a
thre year old model when I bought it, and it has outperformed more
expensive models others have bought.

The key feature that too many models lack is full insolation. The top,
back and sides do not get hot, which is safer, and the heat is retained
within which is better for cooking and reducing operating costs. The
only downside is that it isn't quite so good for toast. But that is
what my toaster is for.

Couldn't guid you on today's models, but that is something I would look
for in whatever you buy.

jt

Matthew L. Martin wrote:

> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the range oven.
> I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they use less power than a
> TO. They certainly add less heat to the room than a TO. Being self
> cleaning, they are far easier to clean. I retired our toaster oven when
> we got two wall ovens. The counter space was more valuable than the
> "convenience".

My toaster oven uses way less electricity than my electric range's oven.
It takes the range minutes longer to preheat to temp as it's a bigger
space. The TO I got (see previous thread for link) is remarkably easy to
clean, which is why I purchased it. I have a self cleaning oven, but
that feature uses a lot of electricity. Wiping our my new TO uses none.

My TO puts out less heat when operating than the large oven does, too. I
figure I will save the cost of the new TO in one year's electricity use.

The convection feature is also faster than just the regular heated range
oven. I made chicken Parmesan the other day and it baked a lot faster in
the convection TO than in the regular oven with much less pre-heat time.

--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:54:56 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:


>I recently got a new TO and I just love it. I don't think I've turned on
>the oven since I got it. It is very easy to keep clean and that is very
>important to me. I'm a little OCD :-)
>
>This is the one I got, only mine was stainless and cost a bit more.
>
>http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=4178
>

Nice unit. It raises another thought, tho. The way the door
opens might be a factor depending on where this puppy
is going to sit. I have a Farberware toaster/convection
oven/broiler and the door opens sideways to the left and
is NOT reversible. A small hassle, but a hassle nontheless.

Also, is the door removable and dishwasher safe?

HTH

Alex

Chemiker wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:54:56 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>
>> I recently got a new TO and I just love it. I don't think I've turned on
>> the oven since I got it. It is very easy to keep clean and that is very
>> important to me. I'm a little OCD :-)
>>
>> This is the one I got, only mine was stainless and cost a bit more.
>>
>> http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=4178
>>
>
> Nice unit. It raises another thought, tho. The way the door
> opens might be a factor depending on where this puppy
> is going to sit. I have a Farberware toaster/convection
> oven/broiler and the door opens sideways to the left and
> is NOT reversible. A small hassle, but a hassle nontheless.

The door pulls down. Should not be a problem.

> Also, is the door removable and dishwasher safe?

Yes, but it cleans up so easily that I haven't had to remove it even
after DH broiled some burgers in it.


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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Matthew L. Martin wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> > zydecogary wrote:
> >> Not all convection toaster ovens permit the convection mode while also
> >> in the toasting mode.
> >>
> >> If having both at the same time is important, before you purchase one
> >> do some research.
> >>
> >> Gary Hayman
> >
> > Thanks for the heads-up. The toaster oven (TO) will not be used to
> > toast bread. It's rather wasteful to use the very large oven on the
> > range to bake one or two potatoes or to bake a small batch of
> > mini-muffins. The former TO is/was used daily and frequently, but it's
> > a very rare occasion when the range oven is used.
>
> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the range oven.
> I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they use less power than a
> TO. They certainly add less heat to the room than a TO. Being self
> cleaning, they are far easier to clean. I retired our toaster oven when
> we got two wall ovens. The counter space was more valuable than the
> "convenience".
>
> Matthew

The TO is much more economical to use than the very large range oven
when it comes to using energy/electricity/natural gas, and as Janet
commented, the TO takes considerably less time to preheat. Why would
anyone want to use a large range oven to reheat a couple slices of pizza
or to bake one or two potatoes?? Although, I probably could clue Spouse
about the trick to reheat pizza slices in a stove-top saute pan ;/

Sky

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zydecogary wrote:
>
> On Jan 4, 8:31 am, "Matthew L. Martin"
> ---- snip ---
> > Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the range oven.
> > I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they use less power than a
> > TO. They certainly add less heat to the room than a TO. Being self
> > cleaning, they are far easier to clean. I retired our toaster oven when
> > we got two wall ovens. The counter space was more valuable than the
> > "convenience".
> >
> > Matthew
>
> Just speaking for myself ....
>
> Ever since I purchased a nice size counter-top convection toaster oven
> a few years ago I very seldom us my oven -- except for storage of
> aluminum bowls and a bunch of odds and ends.
>
> My toaster oven is big enough for a 12 inch pizza (there is an
> accommodating bulge in the back) and holds all my silicon baking
> equipment including muffin pans. I bake cakes, do broiling, browning,
> toasting, warming, etc. The convection aspect is GREAT and everything
> is evenly heated.
(snip)
>
> Gary Hayman

The convection feature for the new TO will be a nice improvement over
our former 'plain' TOs, I think. Whether or not the rotisserie option
is included would be the 'icing on the cake' so to speak, when I buy a
new TO.

Sky

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Luke wrote:
>
> "Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in
>
> > Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the
> > range oven. I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they
> > use less power than a TO. They certainly add less heat to the
> > room than a TO. Being self cleaning, they are far easier to
> > clean. I retired our toaster oven when we got two wall ovens.
> > The counter space was more valuable than the "convenience".
> >
> > Matthew
>
> Didn't Sky say, "We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., "?
>
> I use mine for one potato and other small items.

EXACTLY ;D In winter, the small bit of added heat the TO creates is a
plus. It's not much of a concern in summer either, because the TO is
not used for any lengthy period of time except when baking potatoes,
which isn't often anywho. Spouse and I decided it was better to get a
dedicated toaster to make toast because the previous two TOs did such a
poor job at toasting bread.

Sky

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Matthew L. Martin wrote:
>
> Luke wrote:
> > "Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in
> >
> >> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the
> >> range oven. I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they
> >> use less power than a TO. They certainly add less heat to the
> >> room than a TO. Being self cleaning, they are far easier to
> >> clean. I retired our toaster oven when we got two wall ovens.
> >> The counter space was more valuable than the "convenience".
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >
> > Didn't Sky say, "We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., "?
>
> Yes. I don't see how that invalidates my question. Sky has also said
> that their TO wasn't used to make toast.
>
> > I use mine for one potato and other small items.
> >
>
> The size of the item to be cooked doesn't mean very much. One oven baked
> potato takes as long as 10. Most toaster ovens are not insulated
> anywhere near as well as a self cleaning oven. It is quite possible that
> a self cleaning oven would work better, use less power and keep the room
> cooler in the summer.
>
> Of course, YMMV.
>
> Matthew

I appreciate all the comments about TOs vs. range ovens. Please bear
with me, as I don't know the proper terms here. An electric oven uses
considerably more electricity than a TO ever would since the former's
connection is a 220V outlet, whereas the TO is a regular 110V outlet.
Plus, I'm fairly sure there's a big difference between amps required
between the two, too. There's a lot more to it, but my knowledge about
electricity and electrical stuff is quite limited.

Sky

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jt august wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Sky > wrote:
>
> > X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
> >
> > If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> > features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> > be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> > unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> > I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> > something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> > speaking. TIA.
> >
> > Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!
>
> I have a Toast Master model I bought 5 years ago on clearance that was a
> thre year old model when I bought it, and it has outperformed more
> expensive models others have bought.
>
> The key feature that too many models lack is full insolation. The top,
> back and sides do not get hot, which is safer, and the heat is retained
> within which is better for cooking and reducing operating costs. The
> only downside is that it isn't quite so good for toast. But that is
> what my toaster is for.
>
> Couldn't guid you on today's models, but that is something I would look
> for in whatever you buy.
>
> jt

Yep, that's the hardest part! Trying to figure out which model is
better and where the best price to be had is. I'd like to do the
shopping "with my fingers" so to speak, but I have a feeling I'll have
to drive about town to visit all the various stores to actually look,
see, and feel which TO will hopefully work best for my kitchen.

Sky

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Chemiker wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:54:56 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >I recently got a new TO and I just love it. I don't think I've turned on
> >the oven since I got it. It is very easy to keep clean and that is very
> >important to me. I'm a little OCD :-)
> >
> >This is the one I got, only mine was stainless and cost a bit more.
> >
> >http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=4178
> >
>
> Nice unit. It raises another thought, tho. The way the door
> opens might be a factor depending on where this puppy
> is going to sit. I have a Farberware toaster/convection
> oven/broiler and the door opens sideways to the left and
> is NOT reversible. A small hassle, but a hassle nontheless.
>
> Also, is the door removable and dishwasher safe?
>
> HTH
>
> Alex

The reason the current TO went 'kaput' (sort of) is its door will no
longer stayed closed. It's a pull-down door and the spring holding it
closed has failed. The TO is a cheap "Rival" model and neither Spouse
nor I are all that pleased with this one.

A side-door access to the TO might be ideal, although I don't think I've
ever seen one of those. The location of the TO is on top of the
microwave, and those are located on a little cart at the end of the
kitchen counter.

So, I'll take the time to check out as many as I can and won't be so
'cheap' this time to replace the TO. That's why I think the
'convection' and possibly the 'rotisserie' features might be worthwhile
to consider.

Thanks for all the input and comments, folks. They're very helpful.

Sky

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Sky wrote:

> The reason the current TO went 'kaput' (sort of) is its door will no
> longer stayed closed. It's a pull-down door and the spring holding it
> closed has failed. The TO is a cheap "Rival" model and neither Spouse
> nor I are all that pleased with this one.

Mine doesn't have a spring. The door opens down and lays there until you
close it. There are hinge-type thingies on it that are not "mechanical"

DH is broiling 2 hot dogs for his lunch as I type this.

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Sky wrote:
> Matthew L. Martin wrote:
>> Luke wrote:
>>> "Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in
>>>
>>>> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the
>>>> range oven. I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they
>>>> use less power than a TO. They certainly add less heat to the
>>>> room than a TO. Being self cleaning, they are far easier to
>>>> clean. I retired our toaster oven when we got two wall ovens.
>>>> The counter space was more valuable than the "convenience".
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>> Didn't Sky say, "We mainly use the TO to bake
>>> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., "?
>> Yes. I don't see how that invalidates my question. Sky has also said
>> that their TO wasn't used to make toast.
>>
>>> I use mine for one potato and other small items.
>>>
>> The size of the item to be cooked doesn't mean very much. One oven baked
>> potato takes as long as 10. Most toaster ovens are not insulated
>> anywhere near as well as a self cleaning oven. It is quite possible that
>> a self cleaning oven would work better, use less power and keep the room
>> cooler in the summer.
>>
>> Of course, YMMV.
>>
>> Matthew
>
> I appreciate all the comments about TOs vs. range ovens. Please bear
> with me, as I don't know the proper terms here. An electric oven uses
> considerably more electricity than a TO ever would since the former's
> connection is a 220V outlet, whereas the TO is a regular 110V outlet.
> Plus, I'm fairly sure there's a big difference between amps required
> between the two, too. There's a lot more to it, but my knowledge about
> electricity and electrical stuff is quite limited.

The amps pulled and at which voltage are what determines the power used
on an instantaneous basis. The amount of time the burner is on is the
other factor. While you range oven uses higher voltage and amperage, the
added insulation could keep the time power used much lower than a poorly
insulated TO. The TO will pull less amperage at a lower voltage, but the
burner will be on far longer to maintain baking temperatures.

Since you are also looking for features that your range oven lacks
(convection, rotisserie) then a TO is probably the right thing for you.
I think you are correct in asking for real world stories to help you select.

Good luck.

Matthew

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In article >,
Sky > wrote:

> I have a feeling I'll have
> to drive about town to visit all the various stores to actually look,
> see, and feel which TO will hopefully work best for my kitchen.

Ask about return policies. Places like Macy's are easier to work with,
if you get one and it tanks. And having worked there this Christmas
season, I can tell you that some of them have surprisingly good prices.

Places like Target are very difficult on this policy. At Target, if it
was opened, they put you through the ringer if you want to just return.

jt

On Jan 3, 2:39*pm, Sky > wrote:
> X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
> ----
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. *Spouse and I use
> the TO everyday and frequently at that. *We mainly use the TO to bake
> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
> So, the TO has to be replaced. *I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> other sources to learn which ones are better than others. *However, I'd
> like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> relying on Consumer Reports.
>
> If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> features does it have that you like? *Perhaps a TO with convection might
> be nice? *I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> speaking. *TIA.

I have a 1988 Black and Decker. It doesn't see a ton of use, but over
the
past 20 years it has cycled plenty. We mainly use it for making a
single
serving of nachos, toasting things that don't fit in the toaster, or
melting
cheese on top of things.

Cindy Hamilton

jt august wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Sky > wrote:
>
> > I have a feeling I'll have
> > to drive about town to visit all the various stores to actually look,
> > see, and feel which TO will hopefully work best for my kitchen.
>
> Ask about return policies. Places like Macy's are easier to work with,
> if you get one and it tanks. And having worked there this Christmas
> season, I can tell you that some of them have surprisingly good prices.
>
> Places like Target are very difficult on this policy. At Target, if it
> was opened, they put you through the ringer if you want to just return.
>
> jt

OOOH, very good point! Thanks for bringing up the potential issue about
'returns.' I don't often shop at Target, but I do recall returning
something there last year. It was not an unpleasant experience.

Sky, who's still looking at TOs

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Matthew L. Martin wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> > Matthew L. Martin wrote:
> >> Luke wrote:
> >>> "Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in
> >>>
> >>>> Do you have a good reason to choose a toaster oven over the
> >>>> range oven. I have self cleaning ovens and believe that they
> >>>> use less power than a TO. They certainly add less heat to the
> >>>> room than a TO. Being self cleaning, they are far easier to
> >>>> clean. I retired our toaster oven when we got two wall ovens.
> >>>> The counter space was more valuable than the "convenience".
> >>>>
> >>>> Matthew
> >>> Didn't Sky say, "We mainly use the TO to bake
> >>> foods, rewarm pizza, etc., "?
> >> Yes. I don't see how that invalidates my question. Sky has also said
> >> that their TO wasn't used to make toast.
> >>
> >>> I use mine for one potato and other small items.
> >>>
> >> The size of the item to be cooked doesn't mean very much. One oven baked
> >> potato takes as long as 10. Most toaster ovens are not insulated
> >> anywhere near as well as a self cleaning oven. It is quite possible that
> >> a self cleaning oven would work better, use less power and keep the room
> >> cooler in the summer.
> >>
> >> Of course, YMMV.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >
> > I appreciate all the comments about TOs vs. range ovens. Please bear
> > with me, as I don't know the proper terms here. An electric oven uses
> > considerably more electricity than a TO ever would since the former's
> > connection is a 220V outlet, whereas the TO is a regular 110V outlet.
> > Plus, I'm fairly sure there's a big difference between amps required
> > between the two, too. There's a lot more to it, but my knowledge about
> > electricity and electrical stuff is quite limited.
>
> The amps pulled and at which voltage are what determines the power used
> on an instantaneous basis. The amount of time the burner is on is the
> other factor. While you range oven uses higher voltage and amperage, the
> added insulation could keep the time power used much lower than a poorly
> insulated TO. The TO will pull less amperage at a lower voltage, but the
> burner will be on far longer to maintain baking temperatures.
>
> Since you are also looking for features that your range oven lacks
> (convection, rotisserie) then a TO is probably the right thing for you.
> I think you are correct in asking for real world stories to help you select.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Matthew

Thanks I'm still looking to find a TO that will work well for our
needs and uses. And, I do so dislike shopping, too (ugh)! I just don't
want to make a spur-of-the-moment purchase without know what options and
features there are for a "good" TO. Everyone's feedback and comments
are greatly appreciated.

Sky

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Jan 3, 2:39 pm, Sky > wrote:
> > X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
> > the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
> > foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
> >
> > So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
> > other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
> > like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
> > relying on Consumer Reports.
> >
> > If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
> > features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
> > be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
> > unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
> > I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
> > something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
> > speaking. TIA.
>
> I have a 1988 Black and Decker. It doesn't see a ton of use, but over
> the
> past 20 years it has cycled plenty. We mainly use it for making a
> single
> serving of nachos, toasting things that don't fit in the toaster, or
> melting
> cheese on top of things.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Oh how I wish our old B&D 'space saver' TO still worked! Even though it
was relatively tiny - toasted 2 slices of bread easily - there was
seldom a day when it wasn't used. I suppose B&D discontinued that model
because the risk of fire was too great, perhaps (?).

Now, I have to purchase a TO that's manufactured today. So, I might as
well take advantage of newer features like convection and perhaps a
rotisserie. The IR (infrared) feature isn't so important to me.

Sky

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Sky wrote:
> jt august wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Sky > wrote:
>>
>>> I have a feeling I'll have
>>> to drive about town to visit all the various stores to actually look,
>>> see, and feel which TO will hopefully work best for my kitchen.
>> Ask about return policies. Places like Macy's are easier to work with,
>> if you get one and it tanks. And having worked there this Christmas
>> season, I can tell you that some of them have surprisingly good prices.
>>
>> Places like Target are very difficult on this policy. At Target, if it
>> was opened, they put you through the ringer if you want to just return.
>>
>> jt
>
> OOOH, very good point! Thanks for bringing up the potential issue about
> 'returns.' I don't often shop at Target, but I do recall returning
> something there last year. It was not an unpleasant experience.
>
> Sky, who's still looking at TOs
>

Target is fine if you are within their time limit. If you are 30 seconds
outside of it you are SOL. That's been my experience.

Best place to return anything is WalMart. Unfortunately, they often take
the defective thing you just brought back and stick it right on the
shelf for another person to buy.

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:39:20 -0600, Sky >
wrote:

>X-posted with follow-ups set to rec.food.equipment
>
>----
>
>Happy New Year!
>
>Well, another toaster oven (TO) has bitten the dust. Spouse and I use
>the TO everyday and frequently at that. We mainly use the TO to bake
>foods, rewarm pizza, etc., but we do not use it to toast toast ;D
>
>So, the TO has to be replaced. I've checked with Consumer Reports and
>other sources to learn which ones are better than others. However, I'd
>like to know and read about first-hand experiences rather than solely
>relying on Consumer Reports.
>
>If anyone is inclined to reply, what sort of TO do you have and what
>features does it have that you like? Perhaps a TO with convection might
>be nice? I've also seen some TOs that include a built-in rotisserie
>unit (I can see cooking a pork tenderloin roast with that rotisserie!).
>I don't want to spend a fortune, but then again, I'd like to buy
>something that will not break down in a short matter of time, relatively
>speaking. TIA.
>
>Sky, who won't bake a single potato in the large range oven!

I wouldn't call mine a toaster oven, but I really like my DeLonghi
counter top oven wih rotisserie. It's the only thing I roast chicken
in! I've had it about 4-5 years, but I don't use it daily (and never
for toast, I've got a chrome retro-style toaster for that).

- Mark