We're doing a remodel and considering an F & P double drawer
dishwasher. But we're wondering about a couple of things. First,
we've noticed that it doesn't have heated drying-- something true of
our present Bosch dishwasher, and which we sometimes find annoying.
Does the F & P leave pools of water on things? Second, we've seen
Kitchenaid dish drawers now, which look as though they are just
re-branded F & P's. Can someone confirm this? If so, would there be
any reason to buy one brand rather than the other?

Thanks

We have the 2 drawer F&P at work. I don't recall that the drying is a
problem, any more than with most dishwashers. We have a Bendix at home and
my sister who has a Miele reckons the Bendix does a better job with the
drying. A colleague was recently replaced his dishwasher was interested in
the F&P 2 drawer until he realised that the spray arms etc are plastic
rather than metal. He got Asco instead because he thought it looked more
sturdy. I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic
spray arms. I like the look of the LG model where you can do a half load -
almost as good as having 2 drawers.

"bill b" > wrote in message
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> We're doing a remodel and considering an F & P double drawer
> dishwasher. But we're wondering about a couple of things. First,
> we've noticed that it doesn't have heated drying-- something true of
> our present Bosch dishwasher, and which we sometimes find annoying.
> Does the F & P leave pools of water on things? Second, we've seen
> Kitchenaid dish drawers now, which look as though they are just
> re-branded F & P's. Can someone confirm this? If so, would there be
> any reason to buy one brand rather than the other?
>
> Thanks
>

We have the 2 drawer F&P at work. I don't recall that the drying is a
problem, any more than with most dishwashers. We have a Bendix at home and
my sister who has a Miele reckons the Bendix does a better job with the
drying. A colleague was recently replaced his dishwasher was interested in
the F&P 2 drawer until he realised that the spray arms etc are plastic
rather than metal. He got Asco instead because he thought it looked more
sturdy. I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic
spray arms. I like the look of the LG model where you can do a half load -
almost as good as having 2 drawers.

"bill b" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We're doing a remodel and considering an F & P double drawer
> dishwasher. But we're wondering about a couple of things. First,
> we've noticed that it doesn't have heated drying-- something true of
> our present Bosch dishwasher, and which we sometimes find annoying.
> Does the F & P leave pools of water on things? Second, we've seen
> Kitchenaid dish drawers now, which look as though they are just
> re-branded F & P's. Can someone confirm this? If so, would there be
> any reason to buy one brand rather than the other?
>
> Thanks
>

"Viviane" > wrote in message

> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
> arms.

Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look at
all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many other
parts of the DW are plastic.

"Viviane" > wrote in message

> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
> arms.

Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look at
all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many other
parts of the DW are plastic.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Viviane" > wrote in message
>
>> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
>> arms.
>
> Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look at
> all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many
> other parts of the DW are plastic.
>
I like the idea of the 2 drawers especially if you can just use one drawer
to wash a smaller load, but my Cousin, a Kitchen Designer, said that she
wouldn't want one because you can't put taller items in such as plastic
cutting boards and baking sheet pans. Sis

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Viviane" > wrote in message
>
>> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
>> arms.
>
> Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look at
> all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many
> other parts of the DW are plastic.
>
I like the idea of the 2 drawers especially if you can just use one drawer
to wash a smaller load, but my Cousin, a Kitchen Designer, said that she
wouldn't want one because you can't put taller items in such as plastic
cutting boards and baking sheet pans. Sis

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Viviane" > wrote in message
>
>> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
>> arms.
>
> Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look at
> all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many
> other parts of the DW are plastic.
>
I like the idea of the 2 drawers especially if you can just use one drawer
to wash a smaller load, but my Cousin, a Kitchen Designer, said that she
wouldn't want one because you can't put taller items in such as plastic
cutting boards and baking sheet pans. Sis

One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.

Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut instinct
thing - not based on any scientific research!

"Sis" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> om...
>>
>> "Viviane" > wrote in message
>>
>>> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
>>> arms.
>>
>> Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look
>> at all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many
>> other parts of the DW are plastic.
>>
> I like the idea of the 2 drawers especially if you can just use one drawer
> to wash a smaller load, but my Cousin, a Kitchen Designer, said that she
> wouldn't want one because you can't put taller items in such as plastic
> cutting boards and baking sheet pans. Sis
>

One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.

Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut instinct
thing - not based on any scientific research!

"Sis" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> om...
>>
>> "Viviane" > wrote in message
>>
>>> I had been interested in the F&P too but wouldn't want plastic spray
>>> arms.
>>
>> Why not? Modern plastics can easily handle a job like that. Just look
>> at all the plastic components in the body of your car. Look at how many
>> other parts of the DW are plastic.
>>
> I like the idea of the 2 drawers especially if you can just use one drawer
> to wash a smaller load, but my Cousin, a Kitchen Designer, said that she
> wouldn't want one because you can't put taller items in such as plastic
> cutting boards and baking sheet pans. Sis
>

"Viviane" > wrote in message
u...
> One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
> items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>
> Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
> stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut
instinct
> thing - not based on any scientific research!

My question about the plastic doesn't concern strength as I believe that
plastic and be as strong, or stronger than metal and also more resistant to
corrosion. I wonder about its thermal properties with respect to
facilitating the drying of the dishes. I noticed that when I switched to a
dishwasher with a stainless tub, it seemed to hold the heat and the dishes
dried better. This is a property that Kitchen Aid promoted several years
ago when they rolled out their updated line of dishwasher with stainless
tubs. I never have to use the heated dry cycle.

On Wed 06 Apr 2005 09:24:16a, Vox Humana wrote in rec.food.equipment:

>
> "Viviane" > wrote in message
> u...
>> One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get
>> bigger items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>>
>> Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
>> stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut
>> instinct thing - not based on any scientific research!
>
> My question about the plastic doesn't concern strength as I believe that
> plastic and be as strong, or stronger than metal and also more resistant
> to corrosion. I wonder about its thermal properties with respect to
> facilitating the drying of the dishes. I noticed that when I switched
> to a dishwasher with a stainless tub, it seemed to hold the heat and the
> dishes dried better. This is a property that Kitchen Aid promoted
> several years ago when they rolled out their updated line of dishwasher
> with stainless tubs. I never have to use the heated dry cycle.

I think the drying capability of dishwashers is more directly related to
the type and amount of insulation surrounding the tub rather than the tub
material itself. Most d/w with SS tubs are in the higher end of the model
line and more likely to have better insulation. The guage of metal used in
a SS tub would not be that conducive to holding heat for any length of time
unless well-insulated.

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Wed 06 Apr 2005 09:24:16a, Vox Humana wrote in rec.food.equipment:

>
> "Viviane" > wrote in message
> u...
>> One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get
>> bigger items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>>
>> Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
>> stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut
>> instinct thing - not based on any scientific research!
>
> My question about the plastic doesn't concern strength as I believe that
> plastic and be as strong, or stronger than metal and also more resistant
> to corrosion. I wonder about its thermal properties with respect to
> facilitating the drying of the dishes. I noticed that when I switched
> to a dishwasher with a stainless tub, it seemed to hold the heat and the
> dishes dried better. This is a property that Kitchen Aid promoted
> several years ago when they rolled out their updated line of dishwasher
> with stainless tubs. I never have to use the heated dry cycle.

I think the drying capability of dishwashers is more directly related to
the type and amount of insulation surrounding the tub rather than the tub
material itself. Most d/w with SS tubs are in the higher end of the model
line and more likely to have better insulation. The guage of metal used in
a SS tub would not be that conducive to holding heat for any length of time
unless well-insulated.

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

In article > , Viviane says...
>
>One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
>items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>
>Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
>stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut instinct
>thing - not based on any scientific research!
===
Your instinct may be correct. I had to replace the unjustifiably pricey plastic
arm tower in my top-of-the-line Bosch right after the end of the comprehensive
warranty (One/two years I believe). The top rack wasn't getting clean and I
thought the arm holes were clogged--Found the arm split all the way down its
side seam. Had to have the motherboard replaced several months ago--fortunately
that was still under its 5 year warranty. (But, I did spring for an extended
warranty at that time.)
===

In article > , Viviane says...
>
>One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
>items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>
>Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
>stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut instinct
>thing - not based on any scientific research!
===
Your instinct may be correct. I had to replace the unjustifiably pricey plastic
arm tower in my top-of-the-line Bosch right after the end of the comprehensive
warranty (One/two years I believe). The top rack wasn't getting clean and I
thought the arm holes were clogged--Found the arm split all the way down its
side seam. Had to have the motherboard replaced several months ago--fortunately
that was still under its 5 year warranty. (But, I did spring for an extended
warranty at that time.)
===

"Viviane" > wrote in message
u...
> One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
> items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>
> Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
> stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut
> instinct thing - not based on any scientific research!
>

The spray arms must pas a lot of hot water. Take a look at the radiator in
your car. The hoses are a rubber/plastic compound and take heat and
pressure far greater than any dishwasher. Metal costs more but it will not
perform any better in real use.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

"Viviane" > wrote in message
u...
> One of the drawers is slightly bigger than the other so you can get bigger
> items in. Can't remember which but I think it's the bottom one.
>
> Edwin raised a good point. I suppose it's just a hunch that metal is
> stronger. Also the plastic inside looks fragile. It's just a gut
> instinct thing - not based on any scientific research!
>

The spray arms must pas a lot of hot water. Take a look at the radiator in
your car. The hoses are a rubber/plastic compound and take heat and
pressure far greater than any dishwasher. Metal costs more but it will not
perform any better in real use.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Hi Bill,

I have the F& P Double dish drawers. For the record, the top and
bottom are the same size contrary to what people are saying here.

Drying is never a problem. As a matter of fact, when the load is done,
the dishes are VERY hot. The coffee cups I have are a little indented
on the bottom, so some water does collect there sometimes.

I love them. It seems to fit SO many more things than my old Maytag.
I love having two utensil baskets. What's cool too, is that things
that are "top rack safe only" can go anywhere and in top or bottom
drawer(I called the company to confirm).

I was worried at first about getting a dishwasher withOUT a food
disposer (since my old one had one and I NEVER rinse my dishes). This
has never been a problem! I remove big pieces of food off the dishes,
but never rinse and they still come clean!

It's true, very large platters may not fit, but so what-everything else
does.

I don't know anything about the kitchenaide ones.

Hi Bill,

I have the F& P Double dish drawers. For the record, the top and
bottom are the same size contrary to what people are saying here.

Drying is never a problem. As a matter of fact, when the load is done,
the dishes are VERY hot. The coffee cups I have are a little indented
on the bottom, so some water does collect there sometimes.

I love them. It seems to fit SO many more things than my old Maytag.
I love having two utensil baskets. What's cool too, is that things
that are "top rack safe only" can go anywhere and in top or bottom
drawer(I called the company to confirm).

I was worried at first about getting a dishwasher withOUT a food
disposer (since my old one had one and I NEVER rinse my dishes). This
has never been a problem! I remove big pieces of food off the dishes,
but never rinse and they still come clean!

It's true, very large platters may not fit, but so what-everything else
does.

I don't know anything about the kitchenaide ones.

Hi Bill,

I have the F& P Double dish drawers. For the record, the top and
bottom are the same size contrary to what people are saying here.

Drying is never a problem. As a matter of fact, when the load is done,
the dishes are VERY hot. The coffee cups I have are a little indented
on the bottom, so some water does collect there sometimes.

I love them. It seems to fit SO many more things than my old Maytag.
I love having two utensil baskets. What's cool too, is that things
that are "top rack safe only" can go anywhere and in top or bottom
drawer(I called the company to confirm).

I was worried at first about getting a dishwasher withOUT a food
disposer (since my old one had one and I NEVER rinse my dishes). This
has never been a problem! I remove big pieces of food off the dishes,
but never rinse and they still come clean!

It's true, very large platters may not fit, but so what-everything else
does.

I don't know anything about the kitchenaide ones.