I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to buy
& also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in advance
for your help.

culater wrote:
> I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
> Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to buy
> & also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in advance
> for your help.
>
>

Personally, I'd stay away from J.A. like the plague. Their quality has
gon into the toilet. I can't recommend a good downdraft model but I
certainly wouldn't buy theirs. The one that I had in the late 70's
was actually very good but a friend of mines more recent model isn't
worth a plug nickle.

--
Steve

"culater" <culater@nowhere.***> wrote in message
...
> I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
> Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to
buy
> & also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in advance
> for your help.

I have a JennAir dual-fuel range with a convection oven. I would never buy
another one. The oven is satisfactory although the bottom of the oven has
warped. The range top is very hard to clean. I think they have improved
the burner design, buy my burners are really cheap pieces of stamped metal.
The output of the burners is inadequate and the grill is also anemic.
Downdraft ventilation isn't very effective and with it being at the level of
the burners (as opposed to telescoped above them) it draws off a lot of heat
and very little smoke. I had to replace an igniter and the computer
controller board recently for over $300 in parts. I also replaced the
downdraft grill and the right side burner modules ($150+) because the burner
had deteriorated, the porcelain finish failed on the drip pan, and the paint
started to peel off the permanently discolored downdraft vent cover.

I would highly recommend that you get a different range with higher output
burners and a good overhead (updraft) hood. You could do a better job of
grilling with a nice cast iron grill pan on high output burners than with
the gas grill in the JennAir. As you may know, the range only ships with
two burners, so when big family dinners come around you will have to spend a
couple hundred extra dollars to get the burner module for the left side.
The griddle is also extra.

If you still aren't convinced, look for a distributor in your area that has
one hooked up. Turn on the burners and then turn on the downdraft fan. You
will see the flame dramatically distorted by the downdraft. If you put your
hand near the downdraft intake you won't be able to keep it there long since
all the heat is drawn from the burners. Unfortunately the smoke isn't drawn
away. Until I install an overhead exhaust I couldn't use the grill without
setting off the smoke alarm.

If you do a search on JennAir you will see many negative messages about that
range. It think it is worse with the gas ranges than with the electric
ones. JennAir is crap. Basically it is over prices, underperforming
equipment that has a high failure rate and is hard to clean.

I have a Jenn Aire duel fuel gas top/electric convection oven. Great oven,
but teh burners and grill aren't very good and the downdraft mainly draws
off heat, and not smoke.

Avoid downdraft.

--

Regards

Louis Cohen
Living la vida loca at N37° 43' 7.9" W122° 8' 42.8"

"culater" <culater@nowhere.***> wrote in message
...
> I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
> Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to
buy
> & also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in advance
> for your help.
>
>

"culater" <culater@nowhere.***> wrote in message
...
> I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
> Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to
buy
> & also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in advance
> for your help.
>

I bought a Jenn Air cooktop last November. I hate it. The auto striker
works less than half the time. I have had it repaired twice and finally
just unplugged it and use a lighter to light the burners. The burners are
too close together on the 30". The gray grate and burner tops are very hard
to clean. I am shopping for a different one now; so far, I like a Kitchen
Aid or a Thermador cooktop.

"Lisa" > wrote in message
m...
> "culater" <culater@nowhere.***> wrote in message
> ...
> > I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
> > Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to
> buy
> > & also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in
advance
> > for your help.
> >
>
> I bought a Jenn Air cooktop last November. I hate it. The auto striker
> works less than half the time. I have had it repaired twice and finally
> just unplugged it and use a lighter to light the burners. The burners are
> too close together on the 30". The gray grate and burner tops are very
hard
> to clean. I am shopping for a different one now; so far, I like a Kitchen
> Aid or a Thermador cooktop.

I find that the only thing that will clean the gray grates is oven cleaner.
I put them in a garbage bag, spray with heavy duty oven cleaner (yellow
can), and let them sit all night. I find that the odorless oven cleaner in
the blue can doesn't work well. You can generally just rinse them off in
the morning. I agree that the burners are too close. Another thing that I
hate is the design of the grates. If you have a small pan it will rock
because there is very little support.

Thanks everybody.I guess I can freget about that ideal!
"Louis Cohen" > wrote in message
news:uH6gb.689578$Ho3.148487@sccrnsc03...
> I have a Jenn Aire duel fuel gas top/electric convection oven. Great
oven,
> but teh burners and grill aren't very good and the downdraft mainly draws
> off heat, and not smoke.
>
> Avoid downdraft.
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Louis Cohen
> Living la vida loca at N37° 43' 7.9" W122° 8' 42.8"
>
> "culater" <culater@nowhere.***> wrote in message
> ...
> > I`ve bin thinking about getting a 30" Modular Dual-Fuel Downdraft with
> > Convection,range.I was wondering if anyone knows if it`s a good range to
> buy
> > & also I was wondering how much it would cost in Canada?Thanks in
advance
> > for your help.
> >
> >
>
>

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...

> I find that the only thing that will clean the gray grates is oven
cleaner.
> I put them in a garbage bag, spray with heavy duty oven cleaner (yellow
> can), and let them sit all night. I find that the odorless oven cleaner
in
> the blue can doesn't work well. You can generally just rinse them off in
> the morning.

Thank you for the cleaning tip. I will give that a try.

"Lisa" > wrote in message
. com...
> "Vox Humana" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I find that the only thing that will clean the gray grates is oven
> cleaner.
> > I put them in a garbage bag, spray with heavy duty oven cleaner (yellow
> > can), and let them sit all night. I find that the odorless oven cleaner
> in
> > the blue can doesn't work well. You can generally just rinse them off
in
> > the morning.
>
> Thank you for the cleaning tip. I will give that a try.

I have done this about once a month for the last 6 years. It makes them
look like new. If they have a big build-up on them you might have to do this
a couple of times to get them perfectly clean. After that you can maintain
them with a periodic cleaning. I also use oven cleaner on the drip pans at
the same time.

When we got a 30" J-A gas cooktop 4 years ago, the grates allowed small
pans to rock. That's because they were mis-manufactured. They had six
"pot-supporting" prongs but every other one was 1/4 inch too low. So
with only three prongs actually doing anything, small pans would rock.
I complained. J-A sent me, at no charge, four new grates. They were
identical to the ones I already had. I complained again. The J-A very
pleasant customer support person said that what I was complaining about
was a feature, "Three point support." Seriously, that's what she said.
I said I did not consider marketing's ploy to make a flaw into a feature
to be good business. She said that she thought new grates were in
process and when ready would be sent to me, also at no charge. After
some months, the new grates arrived and were correctly manufactured.

As I've pointed out in previous posts on this subject, I consider J-A
the Yugo of the appliance world. Anyone want four melted burner control
knobs? No wait--I can't send them. We're still using them.

-Larry

Vox Humana wrote:

>If you have a small pan it will rock
>because there is very little support.
>
>
>
>

"Larry Sher" > wrote in message
...
> When we got a 30" J-A gas cooktop 4 years ago, the grates allowed small
> pans to rock. That's because they were mis-manufactured. They had six
> "pot-supporting" prongs but every other one was 1/4 inch too low. So
> with only three prongs actually doing anything, small pans would rock.
> I complained. J-A sent me, at no charge, four new grates. They were
> identical to the ones I already had. I complained again. The J-A very
> pleasant customer support person said that what I was complaining about
> was a feature, "Three point support." Seriously, that's what she said.
> I said I did not consider marketing's ploy to make a flaw into a feature
> to be good business. She said that she thought new grates were in
> process and when ready would be sent to me, also at no charge. After
> some months, the new grates arrived and were correctly manufactured.
>
> As I've pointed out in previous posts on this subject, I consider J-A
> the Yugo of the appliance world. Anyone want four melted burner control
> knobs? No wait--I can't send them. We're still using them.
==
Why don't you try to get them to replace those? FWIW, I love my
JA (manufactured by Maytag) fridge. I knew it was a risky purchase but
it has so many features the others don't have and it has been a real
pleasure
to own/use (so far ;-)
==
>
> -Larry
>
> Vox Humana wrote:
>
> >If you have a small pan it will rock
> >because there is very little support.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

gini52 wrote:

> JA (manufactured by Maytag) fridge. I knew it was a risky purchase but
> it has so many features the others don't have and it has been a real
> pleasure
> to own/use (so far ;-)

How old is it? I absolutely loved my older JA but the new ones don't
seem to be of a very high quality. I threw my new one (four years ago)
in the garbage.

Really curious of the age of your unit.

--
Steve

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
s.com...
> gini52 wrote:
>
> > JA (manufactured by Maytag) fridge. I knew it was a risky purchase but
> > it has so many features the others don't have and it has been a real
> > pleasure
> > to own/use (so far ;-)
>
> How old is it? I absolutely loved my older JA but the new ones don't
> seem to be of a very high quality. I threw my new one (four years ago)
> in the garbage.
>
> Really curious of the age of your unit.
==
Just over a year and w/ heavy use (lots of boys). It is model #JSD2789
27.5 cf side by side. In addition to all the cool features (it's very well
thought out), it's pretty energy efficient.
It appears solid and I pay attention to those things. I sure hope it lasts
more than 4 years! My only complaint is that
the ice dispenser is really loud. Here it is (note that "thick" shelf on the
door just under the milk--That is a secret locking drawer that I hide my
candy bars in Kids have no idea it's there :-):

http://tinyurl.com/qivr

==
>
> --
> Steve
>
>

gini52 wrote:

> "Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
> s.com...
>
>>gini52 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>JA (manufactured by Maytag) fridge. I knew it was a risky purchase but
>>>it has so many features the others don't have and it has been a real
>>>pleasure
>>>to own/use (so far ;-)
>>
<snip>


Hopefully you'll have better luck and a more reliable unit than I did.

--
Steve (seriously. Not being facetious)

I think it is possible that J-A would replace the melted knobs, but then the
new ones, if also plastic, would melt--it is inherent in the design. We're
going to discard the whole cooktop ASAP.
-Larry

gini52 wrote:
> "Larry Sher" > wrote in message
....Anyone want four melted burner control
>>knobs? No wait--I can't send them. We're still using them.
>
> ==
> Why don't you try to get them to replace those? FWIW, I love my
> JA (manufactured by Maytag) fridge. I knew it was a risky purchase but
> it has so many features the others don't have and it has been a real
> pleasure
> to own/use (so far ;-)
> ==