I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although I am not diabetic
my sugar levels have been observed to get higher than the doctors like (up
to 11.4 mmol/L)
Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I indulge in the stevia too
much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not feel like' sex!

If I cut back, not a problem anymore.

Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
thanks
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this is a known side affect to Stevia

enough Stevia, and the affect can become permanent

this is why Stevia is banned in the EU market

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"David Dawson" > wrote in message
news:YHHLg.511248$Mn5.460458@pd7tw3no...
> I have used this as a sugar substitute, because,
although I am not diabetic
> my sugar levels have been observed to get higher
than the doctors like (up
> to 11.4 mmol/L)
> Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when
I indulge in the stevia too
> much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not
feel like' sex!
>
> If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
>
> Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
> thanks
> --
> If you wrestle in the mud with a pig.
> you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
>
> -- Dave Dawson

"David Dawson" > wrote in message
news:YHHLg.511248$Mn5.460458@pd7tw3no...
> I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although I am not
diabetic
> my sugar levels have been observed to get higher than the doctors like (up
> to 11.4 mmol/L)
> Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I indulge in the stevia
too
> much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not feel like' sex!
>
> If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
>
> Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
> thanks

Not diabetic? With numbers like that you are diabetic!

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:11:04 GMT, David Dawson
> wrote:

>I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although I am not diabetic
>my sugar levels have been observed to get higher than the doctors like (up
>to 11.4 mmol/L)
>Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I indulge in the stevia too
>much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not feel like' sex!
>
>If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
>
>Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
>thanks

Hi David

Finding a better sweetener is not all you need to be doing
I'm afraid.

Right now you are worried about not getting the urge. You
may not be aware that one of the possible male complications
of uncontrolled diabetes can be erectile dysfunction.

I think you need to read this, or your doctor does,
particularly the bit that says "Casual PG > or = 11.1 mmol/L
+ symptoms of diabetes". If your lack of diagnosis is based
on a lack of symptoms, then I'm afraid that's only a matter
of time if you're regularly seeing over 11mmol(200mg/dl)-
and I'd suggest early intervention is wise.

http://www.diabetes.ca/cpg2003/chapt...ofdiabetes.htm

"FPG > or = 7.0 mmol/L
Fasting = no caloric intake for at least 8 hours
or
Casual PG > or = 11.1 mmol/L + symptoms of diabetes
Casual = any time of the day, without regard to the interval
since the last meal

Classic symptoms of diabetes = polyuria, polydipsia and
unexplained weight loss

or
2hPG in a 75-g OGTT >11.1 mmol/L
A confirmatory laboratory glucose test (an FPG, casual PG,
or a 2hPG in a 75-g OGTT) must be done in all cases on
another day in the absence of unequivocal hyperglycemia
accompanied by acute metabolic decompensation."

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
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David Dawson wrote:
> I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although I am not diabetic
> my sugar levels have been observed to get higher than the doctors like (up
> to 11.4 mmol/L)
> Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I indulge in the stevia too
> much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not feel like' sex!
>
> If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
>
> Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
> thanks

Stevia has the well known side effect of making "your thang not work".
So does diabetes, and with an 11.4, you're diabetic. Sorry to break the
news.

Langerhans wrote:

> David Dawson wrote:
>> I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although I am not
>> diabetic my sugar levels have been observed to get higher than the
>> doctors like (up to 11.4 mmol/L)
>> Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I indulge in the stevia
>> too much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not feel like' sex!
>>
>> If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
>>
>> Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
>> thanks
>
> Stevia has the well known side effect of making "your thang not work".
> So does diabetes, and with an 11.4, you're diabetic. Sorry to break the
> news.
Thanks all
1. No more Stevia
2. My fasting sugar level is below 6.0, the lowest it got on the meter was
3.4, the doctor is keeping an eye on it and giving me annual tests.

--
If you wrestle in the mud with a pig.
you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

-- Dave Dawson

Ozgirl wrote:

>
> "Alan S" > wrote in
> message ...
>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:11:04 GMT, David Dawson
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although
> I am not diabetic
>> >my sugar levels have been observed to get higher than the
> doctors like (up
>> >to 11.4 mmol/L)
>> >Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I
> indulge in the stevia too
>> >much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least 'not feel like'
> sex!
>> >
>> >If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
>> >
>> >Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
>> >thanks
>>
>> Hi David
>>
>> Finding a better sweetener is not all you need to be doing
>> I'm afraid.
>>
>> Right now you are worried about not getting the urge. You
>> may not be aware that one of the possible male
> complications
>> of uncontrolled diabetes can be erectile dysfunction.
>>
>> I think you need to read this, or your doctor does,
>> particularly the bit that says "Casual PG > or = 11.1
> mmol/L
>> + symptoms of diabetes". If your lack of diagnosis is
> based
>> on a lack of symptoms, then I'm afraid that's only a
> matter
>> of time if you're regularly seeing over 11mmol(200mg/dl)-
>> and I'd suggest early intervention is wise.
>>
>>
> http://www.diabetes.ca/cpg2003/chapt...ofdiabetes.htm
>>
>> "FPG > or = 7.0 mmol/L
>> Fasting = no caloric intake for at least 8 hours
>> or
>> Casual PG > or = 11.1 mmol/L + symptoms of diabetes
>> Casual = any time of the day, without regard to the
> interval
>> since the last meal
>>
>> Classic symptoms of diabetes = polyuria, polydipsia and
>> unexplained weight loss
>>
>> or
>> 2hPG in a 75-g OGTT >11.1 mmol/L
>> A confirmatory laboratory glucose test (an FPG, casual PG,
>> or a 2hPG in a 75-g OGTT) must be done in all cases on
>> another day in the absence of unequivocal hyperglycemia
>> accompanied by acute metabolic decompensation."
>
> And the 11.1 is just the diagnostic number, not an
> indication that it is not diabetes until it reaches that
> diagnostic pint.
Thanks,
The level I mentioned was taken 1 hour after a meal with a fair amount of
sugar, I believe.
These measurments fluctuated and the mean was 6.31 with a standard deviation
of 1.40 the lowest was 3.9.

My doctor is keeping an eye on things. In BC, Canada,we cannot get an annual
checkup on the medical unless there is an apparant problem. In this case
there is.
--
If you wrestle in the mud with a pig.
you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

-- Dave Dawson

I had read this about stevia on the CSPI website:

http://www.cspinet.org/reports/chemcuisine.htm

but I had never connected reduced sperm count and testicular 'cell proliferation' with erectile disfunction.

Yikes!

Has this phenomenon been documented anywhere?

Splenda doesn't give me much of a warm fuzzy feeling in regards to long term impact, but stevia is some seriously scary stuff!

"David Dawson" > wrote in message
news:Q4%Lg.514147$Mn5.84166@pd7tw3no...
> The level I mentioned was taken 1 hour after a meal with a fair amount of
> sugar, I believe.
> These measurments fluctuated and the mean was 6.31 with a standard
> deviation
> of 1.40 the lowest was 3.9.
>
> My doctor is keeping an eye on things. In BC, Canada,we cannot get an
> annual
> checkup on the medical unless there is an apparant problem. In this case
> there is.

That's exactly the right time to test your postprandial reading - and 11 is
diabetic, no matter what you ate. 11 is also quite high enough to be
damaging your eyes, kidneys, and nerves - plus your ability to function
sexually. Your doctor appears to be somewhat laissez-faire about your
health...

You can do a lot to help yourself, by buying a meter and using this method
to work out what foods affect you worst:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm The real cost of
a meter is strips, if your doctor will prescribe them, that would be a huge
relief to your wallet.

Exercise is also a very valuable tool - if you're not doing much just now,
simply going for a walk after carby meals will help to drop those damaging
blood glucose levels. Try and keep between 4 & 7 at all times.

If the 6.3 you quote is a fasting level, that's too high too - low 5s would
be better. Hopefully a diet and exercise campaign will lower this, but you
may need to go back to your doctor and ask for some drug help - Metformin is
the standard starting drug.

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.3/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
No Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/72/72Kg

David Dawson > wrote:
|| Langerhans wrote:
||
||| David Dawson wrote:
|||| I have used this as a sugar substitute, because, although I
|||| am not diabetic my sugar levels have been observed to get
|||| higher than the doctors like (up to 11.4 mmol/L)
|||| Well, I have an excessively sweet tooth and when I indulge
|||| in the stevia too much, I seem to get 'unable' or at least
|||| 'not feel like' sex!
||||
|||| If I cut back, not a problem anymore.
||||
|||| Has anyone else (man or woman) experienced this?
|||| thanks
|||
||| Stevia has the well known side effect of making "your thang
||| not work". So does diabetes, and with an 11.4, you're
||| diabetic. Sorry to break the news.
|| Thanks all
|| 1. No more Stevia
|| 2. My fasting sugar level is below 6.0, the lowest it got on
|| the meter was
|| 3.4, the doctor is keeping an eye on it and giving me annual
|| tests.
||

I think it would be a good idea for you to invest in a BG Test
meter and test periodically to keep track of your blood
glucose levels. It is important that you catch and start to
control this thing as early as possible. By the standards of my
doctor and medical care, you would already be being treated
as a diabetic, diet & exercise with meds if necessary.

BJ

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Splenda has been available and in use in Canada
for .......... at least 15 years....... and i'm
pretty sure it's been available in the UK and
other EU countries for the same amount of time

i thought it funny that it was made in the US and
imported into Canada

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"scott123" wrote in message
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> Splenda doesn't give me much of a warm fuzzy
feeling in regards to long
> term impact, but stevia is some seriously scary
stuff!
>
>
> --
> scott123