In article >,
Alan Moorman > wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:44:36 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Alan Moorman > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:07:38 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Alan Moorman wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> All you have to do is hang around these diabetes and
> >> >> nutrition and cooking news groups for a year and you'll
> >> >see
> >> >> it keep cropping up from poor misguided people who are
> >> >> trying to lose weight, or whatever is on their little
> >> >minds.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't need no steenkin' cites.
> >> >>
> >> >> Alan
> >> >
> >> >well I have been hangin around the diabetes groups for eight
> >> >years, and have never seen anyone but drunken Bob "advocate"
> >> >no carbs. Everyone else carbs in varying degrees. Most eat
> >> >*mainly* low carb, nutrition-packed vegetables over useless
> >> >starches. Researching proper nutrition isn't hard and
> >> >despite a person's diet not conforming to your own personal
> >> >likes, most would be eating what they need. It is more than
> >> >possible to eat very well as well as control bg's and lose
> >> >or maintain weight.
> >>
> >> Sorry, but I can't count the number of times a newbie comes
> >> into one of these groups and says something like: "I want
> >> to lose weight" or "I want to control my diabetes" and
> >> their solution is to eliminate carbs.
> >
> >You misspelled "reduce."
> >
> >> And they want other
> >> people's help to figure out:
> >>
> >> 1. what carbs are
> >>
> >> 2. what foods they are in
> >>
> >> Usually these people disappear. But their initial ignorance
> >> is amazing and depressing.
> >
> >Reducing carb intake is a usual first step in type 2 treatment, from
> >what I've seen. It's what helped me get my BG into good control.
> >
> >Priscilla
>
> Reducing, yes. Eliminating, no.

You are claiming that some folks advocate eliminating carbs, but you are
incorrect, aside from Bob the drunk. NO-ONE is advocating eliminating
carbs. Many are advocating reducing carbs.

Priscilla

In article >,
Alan Moorman > wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:34:37 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Alan Moorman > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:44:36 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> > Alan Moorman > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:07:38 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Alan Moorman wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All you have to do is hang around these diabetes and
> >> >> >> nutrition and cooking news groups for a year and you'll
> >> >> >see
> >> >> >> it keep cropping up from poor misguided people who are
> >> >> >> trying to lose weight, or whatever is on their little
> >> >> >minds.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Don't need no steenkin' cites.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Alan
> >> >> >
> >> >> >well I have been hangin around the diabetes groups for eight
> >> >> >years, and have never seen anyone but drunken Bob "advocate"
> >> >> >no carbs. Everyone else carbs in varying degrees. Most eat
> >> >> >*mainly* low carb, nutrition-packed vegetables over useless
> >> >> >starches. Researching proper nutrition isn't hard and
> >> >> >despite a person's diet not conforming to your own personal
> >> >> >likes, most would be eating what they need. It is more than
> >> >> >possible to eat very well as well as control bg's and lose
> >> >> >or maintain weight.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, but I can't count the number of times a newbie comes
> >> >> into one of these groups and says something like: "I want
> >> >> to lose weight" or "I want to control my diabetes" and
> >> >> their solution is to eliminate carbs.
> >> >
> >> >You misspelled "reduce."
> >> >
> >> >> And they want other
> >> >> people's help to figure out:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. what carbs are
> >> >>
> >> >> 2. what foods they are in
> >> >>
> >> >> Usually these people disappear. But their initial ignorance
> >> >> is amazing and depressing.
> >> >
> >> >Reducing carb intake is a usual first step in type 2 treatment, from
> >> >what I've seen. It's what helped me get my BG into good control.
> >> >
> >> >Priscilla
> >>
> >> Reducing, yes. Eliminating, no.
> >
> >You are claiming that some folks advocate eliminating carbs, but you are
> >incorrect, aside from Bob the drunk. NO-ONE is advocating eliminating
> >carbs. Many are advocating reducing carbs.
> >
> >Priscilla
>
> Was it you who said we need protein and fat but we don't
> need carbs?
>
> Maybe it wasn't you, but it was earlier on in this thread.
>
> Forgive me if I think that person was saying "no carbs".

There are no essential carbohydrates. There are, however, foods that
contain carbs which also contain essential nutrients. I think you're
missing the point that some of us are selecting our words carefully to
precisely reflect what we mean. I think you're using terms more broadly.

Priscilla

In article >,
Alan Moorman > wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:06:11 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Alan Moorman > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:34:37 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> > Alan Moorman > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:44:36 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article >,
> >> >> > Alan Moorman > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:07:38 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Alan Moorman wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> All you have to do is hang around these diabetes and
> >> >> >> >> nutrition and cooking news groups for a year and you'll
> >> >> >> >see
> >> >> >> >> it keep cropping up from poor misguided people who are
> >> >> >> >> trying to lose weight, or whatever is on their little
> >> >> >> >minds.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Don't need no steenkin' cites.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Alan
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >well I have been hangin around the diabetes groups for eight
> >> >> >> >years, and have never seen anyone but drunken Bob "advocate"
> >> >> >> >no carbs. Everyone else carbs in varying degrees. Most eat
> >> >> >> >*mainly* low carb, nutrition-packed vegetables over useless
> >> >> >> >starches. Researching proper nutrition isn't hard and
> >> >> >> >despite a person's diet not conforming to your own personal
> >> >> >> >likes, most would be eating what they need. It is more than
> >> >> >> >possible to eat very well as well as control bg's and lose
> >> >> >> >or maintain weight.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sorry, but I can't count the number of times a newbie comes
> >> >> >> into one of these groups and says something like: "I want
> >> >> >> to lose weight" or "I want to control my diabetes" and
> >> >> >> their solution is to eliminate carbs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You misspelled "reduce."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> And they want other
> >> >> >> people's help to figure out:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1. what carbs are
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2. what foods they are in
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Usually these people disappear. But their initial ignorance
> >> >> >> is amazing and depressing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Reducing carb intake is a usual first step in type 2 treatment, from
> >> >> >what I've seen. It's what helped me get my BG into good control.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Priscilla
> >> >>
> >> >> Reducing, yes. Eliminating, no.
> >> >
> >> >You are claiming that some folks advocate eliminating carbs, but you are
> >> >incorrect, aside from Bob the drunk. NO-ONE is advocating eliminating
> >> >carbs. Many are advocating reducing carbs.
> >> >
> >> >Priscilla
> >>
> >> Was it you who said we need protein and fat but we don't
> >> need carbs?
> >>
> >> Maybe it wasn't you, but it was earlier on in this thread.
> >>
> >> Forgive me if I think that person was saying "no carbs".
> >
> >There are no essential carbohydrates. There are, however, foods that
> >contain carbs which also contain essential nutrients. I think you're
> >missing the point that some of us are selecting our words carefully to
> >precisely reflect what we mean. I think you're using terms more broadly.
> >
> >Priscilla
>
>
> It wasn't me who was using those terms broadly.

You're using "carb" to refer to foods that contain carbs. That's a
broader use of "carb" than Susan and I, for instance, have been using.

> I agree completely with: "There are, however, foods that
> contain carbs which also contain essential nutrients."

Well, yeah. No-one's arguing against that. What we're arguing against
is the idea that the *carbs* are essential. They're not. There are no
essential carbohydrates.

Priscilla