appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
can hope.

On 9 Mar 2007 18:26:15 -0800, "DidiWinYet"
> wrote:

>appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
>can hope.

Crop circles?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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> appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
> can hope.
>


Didn't do a thing for me except make my food tastier.


Sherry

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"DidiWinYet" > wrote:

> appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
> can hope.

Try the "spices" section of your supermarket. The cheapest house brand
is the stuff.

Priscilla

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> appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
> can hope.

Wherever you can get it the cheapest. For me that's the drugstore. However
I use it sparingly. It raises my BG.

I took 2 capsules before bed and it seemed to lower my morning bg. I got
them at Walmart pretty cheap.
ed

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> appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
> can hope.
>

DidiWinYet > wrote:
|| appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a
|| miracle.... We can hope.

Don't know about a miracle, but it is sure tasty in some
foods.

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"Ed" <ekirstein*nospammers*catskill.net> wrote in
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> I took 2 capsules before bed and it seemed to lower my morning bg.
> I got them at Walmart pretty cheap.
> ed

After I had been using cinnamon for a short period of time with no
results, I found a study saying that it was ineffective in post
menopausal women :P

Sherry

Are you saying I might be a post menopausal women? Is there a test for
that? LOL, Ed

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> "Ed" <ekirstein*nospammers*catskill.net> wrote in
> :
>
>> I took 2 capsules before bed and it seemed to lower my morning bg.
>> I got them at Walmart pretty cheap.
>> ed
>
> After I had been using cinnamon for a short period of time with no
> results, I found a study saying that it was ineffective in post
> menopausal women :P
>
> Sherry

Sherry wrote:
> "Ed" <ekirstein*nospammers*catskill.net> wrote in
> :
>
>> I took 2 capsules before bed and it seemed to lower my morning bg.
>> I got them at Walmart pretty cheap.
>> ed
>
> After I had been using cinnamon for a short period of time with no
> results, I found a study saying that it was ineffective in post
> menopausal women :P
>
> Sherry

DH's endo before this one was from India. When we asked her about
cinnamon she told us that it's an ingredient of curry and parts of India
, where they eat a lot of curry, have some of the highest DM rates in
the world. IOW, she didn't think it was effective at all.

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"DidiWinYet" > wrote in message
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: appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
: can hope.
:
Sometimes I use Siagon Cinnamon and other times I take a 500mg pill
(Cinnamon Bark, Cinnamonum cassia)
It helps my BG numbers some, but it helped my Triglycerides the most. They
went from 99 to 52 and my cholesterol went from 163 to 152. I've been using
cinnamon for a 1-1/2 years now, and no issues with it raising my BG. YMMV
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Your Low-carb diet probably is what is mostly lowering your Triglycerides.
Did you do any experiment to isolate the effect of cinnamon from low carb
diet?

ed

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> "DidiWinYet" > wrote in message
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> : appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
> : can hope.
> :
> Sometimes I use Siagon Cinnamon and other times I take a 500mg pill
> (Cinnamon Bark, Cinnamonum cassia)
> It helps my BG numbers some, but it helped my Triglycerides the most. They
> went from 99 to 52 and my cholesterol went from 163 to 152. I've been
> using
> cinnamon for a 1-1/2 years now, and no issues with it raising my BG. YMMV
> --
> T2 Nov' 06
> Actos 30mg (Rx ended 2/15/07)
> Low-carb diet
> Exercise
>
>

"Ed" <ekirstein*nospammers*catskill.net> wrote in message
news : Your Low-carb diet probably is what is mostly lowering your Triglycerides.
: Did you do any experiment to isolate the effect of cinnamon from low carb
: diet?
:
: ed
:
I was low-carbing & exercising long before I started using cinnamon.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...ull/26/12/3215
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: "DesertHare" > wrote in message
: ...
: > "DidiWinYet" > wrote in message
: > oups.com...
: > : appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
: > : can hope.
: > :
: > Sometimes I use Siagon Cinnamon and other times I take a 500mg pill
: > (Cinnamon Bark, Cinnamonum cassia)
: > It helps my BG numbers some, but it helped my Triglycerides the most.
They
: > went from 99 to 52 and my cholesterol went from 163 to 152. I've been
: > using
: > cinnamon for a 1-1/2 years now, and no issues with it raising my BG.
YMMV
: > --
: > T2 Nov' 06
: > Actos 30mg (Rx ended 2/15/07)
: > Low-carb diet
: > Exercise
: >
: >
:
:

Thanks for posting the link to the cinnamon study. Interesting stuff. I'll
probably try going back to taking 1 gram per day. I'd like to get off
glyburide so maybe this will be a step in that direction. I only like to
make one change between my 3 month blood tests so it takes time to figure
out what works best. I think this is a better approach than relying on
daily bg measurements that have all sorts of variables (food, exercise,
stress, general health, etc). The only variable that I can't control is
that winter vs. summer, there is a change in my general diet due to more
available fresh veggies and I probably get more exercise in the warm months.
In this 3 month period I've gone off of Lipitor since my lipids were doing
real well. So, after 3 months I'll see that effect before I make other
changes. (Rambling, sorry).
Ed

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> "Ed" <ekirstein*nospammers*catskill.net> wrote in message
> news > : Your Low-carb diet probably is what is mostly lowering your
> Triglycerides.
> : Did you do any experiment to isolate the effect of cinnamon from low
> carb
> : diet?
> :
> : ed
> :
> I was low-carbing & exercising long before I started using cinnamon.
> http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...ull/26/12/3215
> --
> T2 Nov' 06
> Actos 30mg (Rx ended 2/15/07)
> Low-carb diet
> Exercise
>
>
>
>
> : "DesertHare" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > "DidiWinYet" > wrote in message
> : > oups.com...
> : > : appreciated. In some circles .. it is promoted as a miracle.... We
> : > : can hope.
> : > :
> : > Sometimes I use Siagon Cinnamon and other times I take a 500mg pill
> : > (Cinnamon Bark, Cinnamonum cassia)
> : > It helps my BG numbers some, but it helped my Triglycerides the most.
> They
> : > went from 99 to 52 and my cholesterol went from 163 to 152. I've been
> : > using
> : > cinnamon for a 1-1/2 years now, and no issues with it raising my BG.
> YMMV
> : > --
> : > T2 Nov' 06
> : > Actos 30mg (Rx ended 2/15/07)
> : > Low-carb diet
> : > Exercise
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:03:04 -0400, "Ed"
<ekirstein*nospammers*catskill.net> wrote:

>Thanks for posting the link to the cinnamon study. Interesting stuff. I'll
>probably try going back to taking 1 gram per day.

I was watching a health documentary the other day, and the presenter
said in passing that cinnamon is a good source of chromium. If that's
the case - and I haven't had a chance to look at it - it would explain
why it works for some people (presumably low on chromium) and not on
others. If it's true, the form of chromium it comes in would be
interesting also.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:51:21 +0000, Nicky >
wrote:

>I was watching a health documentary the other day, and the presenter
>said in passing that cinnamon is a good source of chromium. If that's
>the case - and I haven't had a chance to look at it - it would explain
>why it works for some people (presumably low on chromium) and not on
>others. If it's true, the form of chromium it comes in would be
>interesting also.

Well, well :-
http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/pro...ACCN_NO=408448

I guess we get a definitive answer in about 3 years' time : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

On Mar 14, 3:00 pm, "DesertHare" >
wrote:
> It helps my BG numbers some, but it helped my Triglycerides the most. They
> went from 99 to 52 and my cholesterol went from 163 to 152. I've been using
> cinnamon for a 1-1/2 years now, and no issues with it raising my BG.

My mother (non-diabetic) was prescribed cinnamon for triglycerides and
total cholesterol. Works for her; at 86 she's be using cinnamon for at
least 4-5 years and no need for medications to lower cholesterol. I'm
newly diagnosed type 2 diabetic and haven't yet seen any lowering of
BG from cinnamon; am scheduled for labwork tomorrow, so will be
interested in seeing if there's any change in lipids since last test
in February.

On 3 Apr 2007 21:54:27 -0700, "Sarah548"
> wrote:

>On Mar 14, 3:00 pm, "DesertHare" >
>wrote:
>> It helps my BG numbers some, but it helped my Triglycerides the most. They
>> went from 99 to 52 and my cholesterol went from 163 to 152. I've been using
>> cinnamon for a 1-1/2 years now, and no issues with it raising my BG.
>
>My mother (non-diabetic) was prescribed cinnamon for triglycerides and
>total cholesterol. Works for her; at 86 she's be using cinnamon for at
>least 4-5 years and no need for medications to lower cholesterol. I'm
>newly diagnosed type 2 diabetic and haven't yet seen any lowering of
>BG from cinnamon; am scheduled for labwork tomorrow, so will be
>interested in seeing if there's any change in lipids since last test
>in February.

Was she prescribed cinnamon by a Doctor or was it a
Naturopath? Did she make other dietary or exercise changes
at that time?

Without getting into arguments on various herbs and spices
(some have very good medicinal value for various things)
there are none that have as direct and dramatic an influence
on your BGs as the carbohydrates you eat.

The time to look at ancillary things like herbs and spices
is when you are satisfied that the way you have chosen to
eat for the rest of your life, tested post-prandially by
your meter, is not exacerbating your type 2 BG's. At that
stage they may allow some fine-tuning.

I use many spices daily in my cooking, not as supplements.
Over a week I would use at least cinnamon, cumin, cloves,
turmeric, peppercorns, nutmeg, and coriander directly (most
days) and the spice mix of a curry powder occasionally. From
the garden or the larder I will also add ginger, garlic,
onions and many herbs. Many of those I added over time after
reading people like Quentin here - but I don't expect any of
them to improve my BG's. If they do it's purely serendipity
as far as I'm concerned - but they've certainly improved my
cooking.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Apr 4, 1:37 am, Alan S > wrote:
> Was she prescribed cinnamon by a Doctor or was it a
> Naturopath? Did she make other dietary or exercise changes
> at that time?

Her physician prescribed the it. No other dietary or exercise changes;
Mother is pretty much healthy as a horse. At 86 the only medications
she takes on a daily basis are 1/2 an aspirin and thyroid for life-
long hypothyroidism.

> Without getting into arguments on various herbs and spices
> (some have very good medicinal value for various things)
> there are none that have as direct and dramatic an influence
> on your BGs as the carbohydrates you eat.

Agreed. I would assume that most people who have some luck with
cinnamon use it as an adjunct to restricting carbs.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:37:28 GMT, Alan S
> wrote:

>Without getting into arguments on various herbs and spices
>(some have very good medicinal value for various things)
>there are none that have as direct and dramatic an influence
>on your BGs as the carbohydrates you eat.

Actually, if you're chromium deficient, it wouldn't surprise me if
cinnamon has a big initial impact - chromium's essential for
metabolism regulation. I'd expect the effect to wear off once you'd
removed the deficiency.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

On Apr 4, 8:03 am, Nicky > wrote:
> Actually, if you're chromium deficient, it wouldn't surprise me if
> cinnamon has a big initial impact - chromium's essential for
> metabolism regulation. I'd expect the effect to wear off once you'd
> removed the deficiency.

That makes sense. Saw new physician today--one who is very
nutritionally savvy, unlike the majority of MDs, and she said to
continue with the cinnamon (prescribed by primary care physician). She
emphasized some additional "foods as medicine"; the one that I'd never
heard of before is nopales (pads of prickly pear cactus -- minus the
spines). They are great taste treat, but I'd never heard of consuming
them as an adjunct to glucose control. Going to give it a try, as well
as the other "tweaks" she recommended.

"Sarah548" > wrote in message
ps.com...
: On Apr 4, 8:03 am, Nicky > wrote:
: > Actually, if you're chromium deficient, it wouldn't surprise me if
: > cinnamon has a big initial impact - chromium's essential for
: > metabolism regulation. I'd expect the effect to wear off once you'd
: > removed the deficiency.
:
: That makes sense. Saw new physician today--one who is very
: nutritionally savvy, unlike the majority of MDs, and she said to
: continue with the cinnamon (prescribed by primary care physician). She
: emphasized some additional "foods as medicine"; the one that I'd never
: heard of before is nopales (pads of prickly pear cactus -- minus the
: spines). They are great taste treat, but I'd never heard of consuming
: them as an adjunct to glucose control. Going to give it a try, as well
: as the other "tweaks" she recommended.

I like pricky pear tea, but have never tried it as an actual food.
9 carbs for a cup isn't terrible I guess.

Carbohydrate, by difference g 14.26
Fiber, total dietary g 5.4



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Low-carb diet
Exercise

On Apr 5, 5:16 pm, "DesertHare" >
wrote:
> I like pricky pear tea, but have never tried it as an actual food.
> 9 carbs for a cup isn't terrible I guess.

I added some (cooked) to scrambled eggs yesterday morning and used
them in a green salad. I can buy them fresh in the grocery stores
where I live, which makes it easy. Also canned which is convenient.