I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been T2
for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting insulin,
but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one and a half
hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is the most
pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA, otherwise I'd
be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my emails, but I think
they must be in Write Only Memory!

He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:

1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?

2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use to
get a.s.d?

Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are! °!D

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been
> T2
> for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting
> insulin,
> but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one and a half
> hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is the most
> pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA, otherwise I'd
> be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my emails, but I think
> they must be in Write Only Memory!
>
> He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:

People not on Usenet can get it at:

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/topics?hl=en&lnk=rga>

It takes extra effort to filter out the spammers and trolls there,
though.

> 1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php

<http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/teeth-gums-diabetes-and-death.html>

<http://www.sequin.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Downloads/openlet.htm>

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

> 2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use to
> get a.s.d?

Under which operating system? Under many versions of Windows, but
not Vista, Outlook Express. Under Vista, Windows Mail. Under Vista
and XP SP2, Windows Live Mail.

http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

For a free newsgroups provider, if your internet provider doesn't have a
newsgroups server, try:

http://www.motzarella.org/

> Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are! °!D
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!

ajh > wrote:
> says...
> > 2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use
> > to get a.s.d?

> Hello Nick.
>
> A free newsreader such as Forte Agent:
>
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php
>
> or Gravity:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...group_id=95245
>
> amongst many others are great. Then point the newsreader at a free
> newsserver such as:
>
> http://news.aioe.org/ (I like this one and it does not require an
> account.)
>
> or one of the many others:
>
> http://schmidt.devlib.org/usenet/free-news-servers.html

Thanks, Andy. I'll pass it on to him.

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"Robert Miles" > wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message

> > I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has
> > been T2
> > for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting
> > insulin,
> > but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one and a
> > half hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is the
> > most pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA,
> > otherwise I'd be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my
> > emails, but I think they must be in Write Only Memory!
> >
> > He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:
>
> People not on Usenet can get it at:
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...?hl=en&lnk=rga
> >
>
> It takes extra effort to filter out the spammers and trolls there,
> though.
>
> > 1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?
>
> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php
>
> <http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...etes-and-death.
> html>
>
> <http://www.sequin.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Downloads/openlet.htm>
>
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
> > 2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use
> > to get a.s.d?
>
> Under which operating system? Under many versions of Windows, but
> not Vista, Outlook Express. Under Vista, Windows Mail. Under Vista
> and XP SP2, Windows Live Mail.
>
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>
> For a free newsgroups provider, if your internet provider doesn't have a
> newsgroups server, try:
>
> http://www.motzarella.org/
>
> > Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are!
> > °!D
> >
> > --
> > Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> > families!

Thanks, Robert. I'll pass that on to him.

--
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On 28 Apr 2008 01:29:07 GMT, Nick Cramer
> wrote:

>I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been T2
>for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting insulin,
>but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one and a half
>hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is the most
>pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA, otherwise I'd
>be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my emails, but I think
>they must be in Write Only Memory!
>
>He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:
>
>1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?
>
>2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use to
>get a.s.d?
>
>Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are! °!D

At the risk of sounding immodest, you could always send him
here (mine):
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
or here (Jenny's):
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/index.php

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering...

On 28 Apr 2008 01:29:07 GMT, Nick Cramer >
wrote:

>I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been T2
>for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting insulin,
>but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one and a half
>hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is the most
>pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA, otherwise I'd
>be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my emails, but I think
>they must be in Write Only Memory!

Jenny's site, that you've already got twice (or buy him the book,
she's just brought it out).

But don't break your heart over him. He's an adult; if he chooses to
damage himself in that way, you have the choice of losing his love
through nagging, or biting your lip and just being concerned from a
distance. My big brother is ostriching, I know the pain.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Alan S > wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been
> >T2 for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting
> >insulin, but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one
> >and a half hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is
> >the most pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA,
> >otherwise I'd be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my
> >emails, but I think they must be in Write Only Memory!
> >
> >He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:
> >
> >1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?
> >
> >2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use
> >to get a.s.d?
> >
> >Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are!
> >°!D
>
> At the risk of sounding immodest, you could always send him
> here (mine):
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
> or here (Jenny's):
> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/index.php

Thanks, Alan. I'm emailing those to him, now.

I copied him on the above post of mine and received this reply:

"NICK: OFFICIALLY I'VE HAD SWEETPEA FOR 30 YRS. COME OCTOBER. GABE [that's
his son, who got f'd up in the first Gulf War] IS MY ONLY REASON FOR
DEPRESSION. MY BACK ( WHICH I MAY DO SOMETHING ABOUT) ISWHY I CAN'T
EXERSIZE. MARIE [that's his daughter, the MD] TOLD ME ABOUT AN IMPLANT THAT
HELPS KEEP THE VERTIBRE SEPARATED ( REDUCING THE PAIN). IT REQUIRES A 1
INCH DEEP (MORE OR LESS) INCISION OVER THE VERTIBRE WHERE A SPACER IS
INCERTED TO RELIEVE THE PRESSURE FROM A FRAGMENTED DISK. IF IT WORKED I'D
BE ABLE TO ATLEAST WALK MORE AND MAYBE LOOSE SOME WEIGHT.
CHARLIE"

He never writes in all caps, nor with so many misspelt words, so I don't
think he was too happy with what I posted.

--
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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Nicky > wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2008 01:29:07 GMT, Nick Cramer >

> >I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been
> >T2 for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting
> >insulin, but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one
> >and a half hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is
> >the most pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA,
> >otherwise I'd be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my
> >emails, but I think they must be in Write Only Memory!
>
> Jenny's site, that you've already got twice (or buy him the book,
> she's just brought it out).
>
> But don't break your heart over him. He's an adult; if he chooses to
> damage himself in that way, you have the choice of losing his love
> through nagging, or biting your lip and just being concerned from a
> distance. My big brother is ostriching, I know the pain.

Thanks, Nicky. I'm emailing him both Jenny's and Alan's sites.

Of course I worry about him, but I don't break my heart over it. We
understand each other. I don't nag. I curse and give him tough love. He
doesn't always like it, and curses back at me (we're from da Bronx, ya
know),but we get along fine. If he wants me to MMOFB, all he need do is
tell me. ;-)

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

On 28 Apr 2008 09:29:47 GMT, Nick Cramer
> wrote:

>Alan S > wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has been
>> >T2 for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting
>> >insulin, but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one
>> >and a half hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is
>> >the most pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA,
>> >otherwise I'd be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my
>> >emails, but I think they must be in Write Only Memory!
>> >
>> >He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:
>> >
>> >1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?
>> >
>> >2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use
>> >to get a.s.d?
>> >
>> >Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are!
>> >°!D
>>
>> At the risk of sounding immodest, you could always send him
>> here (mine):
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
>> or here (Jenny's):
>> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/index.php
>
>Thanks, Alan. I'm emailing those to him, now.
>
>I copied him on the above post of mine and received this reply:
>
>"NICK: OFFICIALLY I'VE HAD SWEETPEA FOR 30 YRS. COME OCTOBER. GABE [that's
>his son, who got f'd up in the first Gulf War] IS MY ONLY REASON FOR
>DEPRESSION. MY BACK ( WHICH I MAY DO SOMETHING ABOUT) ISWHY I CAN'T
>EXERSIZE. MARIE [that's his daughter, the MD] TOLD ME ABOUT AN IMPLANT THAT
>HELPS KEEP THE VERTIBRE SEPARATED ( REDUCING THE PAIN). IT REQUIRES A 1
>INCH DEEP (MORE OR LESS) INCISION OVER THE VERTIBRE WHERE A SPACER IS
>INCERTED TO RELIEVE THE PRESSURE FROM A FRAGMENTED DISK. IF IT WORKED I'D
>BE ABLE TO ATLEAST WALK MORE AND MAYBE LOOSE SOME WEIGHT.
> CHARLIE"
>
>He never writes in all caps, nor with so many misspelt words, so I don't
>think he was too happy with what I posted.

Synmpathy for you both. There seems to be a major "whoosh"
factor here. A failure to communicate.

Best wishes.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering...

"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Miles" > wrote:
>> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>
>> > I'm very worried about him. He's four years younger than me and has
>> > been T2
>> > for at least 20 years. He's on a couple of meds, might be shooting
>> > insulin,
>> > but his BG numbers suck. His FBG was 167 today and one or one and a
>> > half hour PP was close to 300. He doesn't worry about it! He is the
>> > most pig-headed person I've ever known. He's in CT and I'm in CA,
>> > otherwise I'd be able to have more effect on him. He saves all my
>> > emails, but I think they must be in Write Only Memory!
>> >
>> > He's not on Usenet, so can't get this group. Two questions:
>>
>> People not on Usenet can get it at:
>>
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...?hl=en&lnk=rga
>> >
>>
>> It takes extra effort to filter out the spammers and trolls there,
>> though.
>>
>> > 1. What are some web sites that might wake him up?
>>
>> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php
>>
>> <http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...etes-and-death.
>> html>
>>
>> <http://www.sequin.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Downloads/openlet.htm>
>>
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>>
>> > 2. What's a free, easy to install and use, newsreader that he could use
>> > to get a.s.d?
>>
>> Under which operating system? Under many versions of Windows, but
>> not Vista, Outlook Express. Under Vista, Windows Mail. Under Vista
>> and XP SP2, Windows Live Mail.
>>
>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>
>> For a free newsgroups provider, if your internet provider doesn't have a
>> newsgroups server, try:
>>
>> http://www.motzarella.org/
>>
>> > Yes, Charlie! Now my friends on alt.support.diabetes know who you are!
>> > °!D
>> >
>> > --
>> > Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
>> > families!
>
> Thanks, Robert. I'll pass that on to him.
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!

You're welcome.

On 28 Apr 2008 09:42:19 GMT, Nick Cramer >
wrote:

>Of course I worry about him, but I don't break my heart over it. We
>understand each other. I don't nag. I curse and give him tough love. He
>doesn't always like it, and curses back at me (we're from da Bronx, ya
>know),but we get along fine. If he wants me to MMOFB, all he need do is
>tell me. ;-)

From the all-caps email... I think he did :P Of course, you could
find him back-supported exercises?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Yep, you lead a horse to water...


"Alan S" > wrote in message

> Synmpathy for you both. There seems to be a major "whoosh"
> factor here. A failure to communicate.

Alan S > wrote:
> > wrote:
> >Alan S > wrote:
> >> > wrote:
> >> [ . . . ]
> Synmpathy for you both. There seems to be a major "whoosh"
> factor here. A failure to communicate.

Thanks, Alan. I haven't heard back from him since I sent the URLs for
Jenny's web site and your blog. Perhaps he's absorbing data (there's sure
a lot of it). We'll be fine. I've been his big brother since 1939. ;-)

--
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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Nicky > wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2008 09:42:19 GMT, Nick Cramer >

> >Of course I worry about him, but I don't break my heart over it. We
> >understand each other. I don't nag. I curse and give him tough love. He
> >doesn't always like it, and curses back at me (we're from da Bronx, ya
> >know),but we get along fine. If he wants me to MMOFB, all he need do is
> >tell me. ;-)
>
> From the all-caps email... I think he did :P Of course, you could
> find him back-supported exercises?

Heh heh! Thanks, Nicky. Yes. I think he was a mite ticked off. He'll stew a
while, then get over it. We've had many tiffs over the years. ;-D

--
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are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> Yep, you lead a horse to water...
>
> "Alan S" > wrote in message
>
> > Synmpathy for you both. There seems to be a major "whoosh"
> > factor here. A failure to communicate.

That's all one can do. ;-)

--
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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