I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK, never
this kind.

I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot with
them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with various
meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had some left
over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern style hash recipe
that I got from the beef council.

The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with peppers
and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the previously
crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And the stuff didn't
taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely bad, but not something
I ever want to make again.

Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it was a
fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.

Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration date
is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can think of
is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from when Angela
made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been but a couple of
weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The same ones that went
into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating that, but she didn't.
And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no signs of mildew and looked
just fine. The onions that had been in the bin had gone bad, but I did
clean the bin out well before I put new onions in. It's a wooden beef.

Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do you
think I should?

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

<snip>

That should have read "wooden bin". Not "wooden beef".

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:15:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do you
>think I should?
>

Not too much will survive being boiled for 10 mins; if you do eat it
again, make sure you reheat it really thoroughly.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 150ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.2% BMI 26

"Nicky" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:15:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
>>you
>>think I should?
>>
>
> Not too much will survive being boiled for 10 mins; if you do eat it
> again, make sure you reheat it really thoroughly.

It's raw meat.

Nicky > wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> >Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
> >you think I should?

> Not too much will survive being boiled for 10 mins; if you do eat it
> again, make sure you reheat it really thoroughly.

Although that may kill the pathogens, the toxins may still be there.

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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>never this kind.
>
> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot with
> them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with various
> meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had some left
> over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern style hash
> recipe that I got from the beef council.
>
> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And the
> stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely bad, but
> not something I ever want to make again.
>
> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it was
> a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>
> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been but
> a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The same
> ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating that,
> but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no signs of
> mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the bin had gone
> bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new onions in. It's a
> wooden beef.
>
> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
> you think I should?
>

I'm super-cautious, especially with ground beef--so I would definitely throw
it out. On the other hand, I also do not eat potatoes or a lot of the other
things you describe, such as pasta (haven't for five years since I was
diagnosed, and I was able to eliminate diabetes medication in March 2005 and
haven't needed it since then). On the other hand, I'm T2, and you may be
T1?

MaryL

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>never this kind.
>
> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot with
> them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with various
> meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had some left
> over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern style hash
> recipe that I got from the beef council.
>
> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And the
> stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely bad, but
> not something I ever want to make again.
>
> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it was
> a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>
> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been but
> a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The same
> ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating that,
> but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no signs of
> mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the bin had gone
> bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new onions in. It's a
> wooden beef.
>
> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
> you think I should?



Whatever was in it that made you ill should have been fully destroyed in the
cooking process. But if you got sick both times, it could have been
anything. Hard to know exactly what. Try making something like a meat
loaf from the rest of the ground beef because it requires long, well done
cooking. Or meatballs or something else that is prepared very well done.

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>>never this kind.
>>
>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
>> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot
>> with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with
>> various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had
>> some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern style
>> hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>
>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
>> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And
>> the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely
>> bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>
>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>
>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
>> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
>> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
>> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
>> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been
>> but a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The
>> same ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating
>> that, but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no
>> signs of mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the
>> bin had gone bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new
>> onions in. It's a wooden beef.
>>
>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
>> you think I should?
>>
>
> I'm super-cautious, especially with ground beef--so I would definitely
> throw it out. On the other hand, I also do not eat potatoes or a lot of
> the other things you describe, such as pasta (haven't for five years since
> I was diagnosed, and I was able to eliminate diabetes medication in March
> 2005 and haven't needed it since then). On the other hand, I'm T2, and
> you may be T1?

I'm type 2 but have gastroparesis. I do not digest meat very well. Can eat
only certain kinds and small amounts. My diet needs to be mostly easy to
digest foods or I get very sick.

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>>never this kind.
>>
>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
>> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot
>> with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with
>> various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had
>> some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern style
>> hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>
>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
>> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And
>> the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely
>> bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>
>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>
>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
>> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
>> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
>> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
>> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been
>> but a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The
>> same ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating
>> that, but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no
>> signs of mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the
>> bin had gone bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new
>> onions in. It's a wooden beef.
>>
>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
>> you think I should?
>
>
>
> Whatever was in it that made you ill should have been fully destroyed in
> the cooking process. But if you got sick both times, it could have been
> anything. Hard to know exactly what. Try making something like a meat
> loaf from the rest of the ground beef because it requires long, well done
> cooking. Or meatballs or something else that is prepared very well done.

Well, Angela woke with a sore throat so perhaps our feeling ill had nothing
to do with the meat? Not likely I could make something that takes a long
time to cook. I haven't found a meatball recipe that actually works since
we can't have eggs or bread. And I don't have the ingredients for meatloaf
in the house. I think I might just throw it out to be safe though. I know
Costco is very careful with their food, but it could be someone took it out
of the case for a while and put it back. You just never know.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>>>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>>>never this kind.
>>>
>>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
>>> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot
>>> with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with
>>> various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had
>>> some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern
>>> style hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>>
>>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
>>> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And
>>> the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely
>>> bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>>
>>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>>
>>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
>>> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
>>> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
>>> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
>>> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been
>>> but a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The
>>> same ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating
>>> that, but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no
>>> signs of mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the
>>> bin had gone bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new
>>> onions in. It's a wooden beef.
>>>
>>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
>>> you think I should?
>>>
>>
>> I'm super-cautious, especially with ground beef--so I would definitely
>> throw it out. On the other hand, I also do not eat potatoes or a lot of
>> the other things you describe, such as pasta (haven't for five years
>> since I was diagnosed, and I was able to eliminate diabetes medication in
>> March 2005 and haven't needed it since then). On the other hand, I'm T2,
>> and you may be T1?
>
> I'm type 2 but have gastroparesis. I do not digest meat very well. Can
> eat only certain kinds and small amounts. My diet needs to be mostly easy
> to digest foods or I get very sick.



Julie, I would take whatever is left of that meat back to the store and get
your money back. I have done that several times and they never gave me any
grief about it.

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>>>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>>>never this kind.
>>>
>>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
>>> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot
>>> with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with
>>> various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had
>>> some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern
>>> style hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>>
>>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
>>> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And
>>> the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely
>>> bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>>
>>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>>
>>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
>>> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
>>> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
>>> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
>>> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been
>>> but a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The
>>> same ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating
>>> that, but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no
>>> signs of mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the
>>> bin had gone bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new
>>> onions in. It's a wooden beef.
>>>
>>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
>>> you think I should?
>>
>>
>>
>> Whatever was in it that made you ill should have been fully destroyed in
>> the cooking process. But if you got sick both times, it could have been
>> anything. Hard to know exactly what. Try making something like a meat
>> loaf from the rest of the ground beef because it requires long, well done
>> cooking. Or meatballs or something else that is prepared very well
>> done.
>
> Well, Angela woke with a sore throat so perhaps our feeling ill had
> nothing to do with the meat? Not likely I could make something that takes
> a long time to cook. I haven't found a meatball recipe that actually
> works since we can't have eggs or bread. And I don't have the ingredients
> for meatloaf in the house. I think I might just throw it out to be safe
> though. I know Costco is very careful with their food, but it could be
> someone took it out of the case for a while and put it back. You just
> never know.



Bring it back Julie. Let them give you your money back. Just to be safe.

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time
>>>>and we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but
>>>>AFAIK, never this kind.
>>>>
>>>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
>>>> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot
>>>> with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with
>>>> various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had
>>>> some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern
>>>> style hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>>>
>>>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>>>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
>>>> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And
>>>> the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely
>>>> bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>>>
>>>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>>>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>>>
>>>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
>>>> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
>>>> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I
>>>> can think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left
>>>> from when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has
>>>> been but a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad
>>>> bar. The same ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick
>>>> after eating that, but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The
>>>> onion had no signs of mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had
>>>> been in the bin had gone bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I
>>>> put new onions in. It's a wooden beef.
>>>>
>>>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef.
>>>> Do you think I should?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm super-cautious, especially with ground beef--so I would definitely
>>> throw it out. On the other hand, I also do not eat potatoes or a lot of
>>> the other things you describe, such as pasta (haven't for five years
>>> since I was diagnosed, and I was able to eliminate diabetes medication
>>> in March 2005 and haven't needed it since then). On the other hand, I'm
>>> T2, and you may be T1?
>>
>> I'm type 2 but have gastroparesis. I do not digest meat very well. Can
>> eat only certain kinds and small amounts. My diet needs to be mostly
>> easy to digest foods or I get very sick.
>
>
>
> Julie, I would take whatever is left of that meat back to the store and
> get your money back. I have done that several times and they never gave
> me any grief about it.

I don't know that Costco would do that. Besides, I have no way of knowing
if it is bad or not. I am generally not one to take things back. I worked
in retail most of my life and just wouldn't do that.

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time
>>>>and we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but
>>>>AFAIK, never this kind.
>>>>
>>>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
>>>> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot
>>>> with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with
>>>> various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had
>>>> some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern
>>>> style hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>>>
>>>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>>>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
>>>> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And
>>>> the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely
>>>> bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>>>
>>>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>>>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>>>
>>>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
>>>> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
>>>> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I
>>>> can think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left
>>>> from when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has
>>>> been but a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad
>>>> bar. The same ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick
>>>> after eating that, but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The
>>>> onion had no signs of mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had
>>>> been in the bin had gone bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I
>>>> put new onions in. It's a wooden beef.
>>>>
>>>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef.
>>>> Do you think I should?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever was in it that made you ill should have been fully destroyed in
>>> the cooking process. But if you got sick both times, it could have
>>> been anything. Hard to know exactly what. Try making something like
>>> a meat loaf from the rest of the ground beef because it requires long,
>>> well done cooking. Or meatballs or something else that is prepared
>>> very well done.
>>
>> Well, Angela woke with a sore throat so perhaps our feeling ill had
>> nothing to do with the meat? Not likely I could make something that
>> takes a long time to cook. I haven't found a meatball recipe that
>> actually works since we can't have eggs or bread. And I don't have the
>> ingredients for meatloaf in the house. I think I might just throw it out
>> to be safe though. I know Costco is very careful with their food, but it
>> could be someone took it out of the case for a while and put it back.
>> You just never know.
>
>
>
> Bring it back Julie. Let them give you your money back. Just to be
> safe.

I won't take it back.

"Alan S" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:15:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
>>you
>>think I should?
>
> Yes.

I guess I will.

Ground beef can be discolored, on the outside but the inside look fine. It
usually has an odor when going bad and can be a bit slimy.

For me, wouldn't have eaten the same stuff the second time if I got sick.
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time and
>we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but AFAIK,
>never this kind.
>
> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco. Baby
> ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my crockpot with
> them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for dinner with various
> meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things. Anyway... I had some left
> over so I decided to make an adaptation of a Southwestern style hash
> recipe that I got from the beef council.
>
> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used the
> previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy. And the
> stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not entirely bad, but
> not something I ever want to make again.
>
> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it was
> a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>
> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do you
> think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The expiration
> date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only other thing I can
> think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in fridge. It was left from
> when Angela made dinner for me. Can't remember how long that has been but
> a couple of weeks at least. I used peppers from the salad bar. The same
> ones that went into the pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating that,
> but she didn't. And an organic yellow onion. The onion had no signs of
> mildew and looked just fine. The onions that had been in the bin had gone
> bad, but I did clean the bin out well before I put new onions in. It's a
> wooden beef.
>
> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef. Do
> you think I should?
>

"Granby" > wrote in message
...
> Ground beef can be discolored, on the outside but the inside look fine.
> It usually has an odor when going bad and can be a bit slimy.

If I did that, I would never eat! I have gastroparesis and get sick to my
stomach a lot!

"Alan S" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:47:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Granby" > wrote in message
...
>>> Ground beef can be discolored, on the outside but the inside look fine.
>>> It usually has an odor when going bad and can be a bit slimy.
>>
>>If I did that, I would never eat! I have gastroparesis and get sick to my
>>stomach a lot!
>
> If it doesn't eventually do that when unrefrigerated it is over-loaded
> with preservatives.

Holy cow! Somehow I replied to the wrong thing. Somebody said if they got
sick from eating something they would stop eating it. That's what I thought
I was replying to. No clue what happened there, except that not long after
I replied, I discovered I had a hypo.

if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to save
the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take it back, if
it is bad then they want to know, Lee

--
Have a wonderful day

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>>>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time
>>>>>and we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but
>>>>>AFAIK, never this kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco.
>>>>> Baby ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my
>>>>> crockpot with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for
>>>>> dinner with various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things.
>>>>> Anyway... I had some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of
>>>>> a Southwestern style hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>>>>
>>>>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>>>>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used
>>>>> the previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy.
>>>>> And the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not
>>>>> entirely bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>>>>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do
>>>>> you think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The
>>>>> expiration date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only
>>>>> other thing I can think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in
>>>>> fridge. It was left from when Angela made dinner for me. Can't
>>>>> remember how long that has been but a couple of weeks at least. I
>>>>> used peppers from the salad bar. The same ones that went into the
>>>>> pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating that, but she didn't. And
>>>>> an organic yellow onion. The onion had no signs of mildew and looked
>>>>> just fine. The onions that had been in the bin had gone bad, but I
>>>>> did clean the bin out well before I put new onions in. It's a wooden
>>>>> beef.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef.
>>>>> Do you think I should?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm super-cautious, especially with ground beef--so I would definitely
>>>> throw it out. On the other hand, I also do not eat potatoes or a lot
>>>> of the other things you describe, such as pasta (haven't for five years
>>>> since I was diagnosed, and I was able to eliminate diabetes medication
>>>> in March 2005 and haven't needed it since then). On the other hand,
>>>> I'm T2, and you may be T1?
>>>
>>> I'm type 2 but have gastroparesis. I do not digest meat very well. Can
>>> eat only certain kinds and small amounts. My diet needs to be mostly
>>> easy to digest foods or I get very sick.
>>
>>
>>
>> Julie, I would take whatever is left of that meat back to the store and
>> get your money back. I have done that several times and they never gave
>> me any grief about it.
>
> I don't know that Costco would do that. Besides, I have no way of knowing
> if it is bad or not. I am generally not one to take things back. I
> worked in retail most of my life and just wouldn't do that.
>

this amases me, if you have such trouble throwing food out then take it back
to the store and give it to them even if you refuse the money, you may have
worked in retail, i own and run retail, and would much prefer a loyal
customer to return a potentailly dangerous product, Lee


--
Have a wonderful day

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>I bought a three pound package of organic ground beef at Costco. It's
>>>>>actually three, one pound packages together. I buy this all the time
>>>>>and we've had no problems with it. Coscto has had beef recalls but
>>>>>AFAIK, never this kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also had most of a bag of red potatoes that I bought at Costco.
>>>>> Baby ones. They were sprouting. So I trimmed some and filled my
>>>>> crockpot with them. Threw the rest away. Angela and I ate some for
>>>>> dinner with various meat and veg. We didn't eat the same things.
>>>>> Anyway... I had some left over so I decided to make an adaptation of
>>>>> a Southwestern style hash recipe that I got from the beef council.
>>>>>
>>>>> The recipe calls for ground beef, O'Brian potatoes (hash browns with
>>>>> peppers and onions) and salsa. The other difference is that I used
>>>>> the previously crockpot roasted potatoes. So they didn't get crispy.
>>>>> And the stuff didn't taste the same. Had a roasted flavor. Not
>>>>> entirely bad, but not something I ever want to make again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we ate it and both of us got sick to our stomachs. I thought it
>>>>> was a fluke. With my gastroparesis, I tend to get sick easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then tonight we ate the rest of it. Both of us are sick again. Do
>>>>> you think I could have gotten bad beef? How would I know? The
>>>>> expiration date is Sept. 29. It looks and smells fine. The only
>>>>> other thing I can think of is the salsa. I had part of a jar in
>>>>> fridge. It was left from when Angela made dinner for me. Can't
>>>>> remember how long that has been but a couple of weeks at least. I
>>>>> used peppers from the salad bar. The same ones that went into the
>>>>> pasta salad. I did feel sick after eating that, but she didn't. And
>>>>> an organic yellow onion. The onion had no signs of mildew and looked
>>>>> just fine. The onions that had been in the bin had gone bad, but I
>>>>> did clean the bin out well before I put new onions in. It's a wooden
>>>>> beef.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone is telling me to be safe and throw out the rest of the beef.
>>>>> Do you think I should?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whatever was in it that made you ill should have been fully destroyed
>>>> in the cooking process. But if you got sick both times, it could have
>>>> been anything. Hard to know exactly what. Try making something like
>>>> a meat loaf from the rest of the ground beef because it requires long,
>>>> well done cooking. Or meatballs or something else that is prepared
>>>> very well done.
>>>
>>> Well, Angela woke with a sore throat so perhaps our feeling ill had
>>> nothing to do with the meat? Not likely I could make something that
>>> takes a long time to cook. I haven't found a meatball recipe that
>>> actually works since we can't have eggs or bread. And I don't have the
>>> ingredients for meatloaf in the house. I think I might just throw it
>>> out to be safe though. I know Costco is very careful with their food,
>>> but it could be someone took it out of the case for a while and put it
>>> back. You just never know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bring it back Julie. Let them give you your money back. Just to be
>> safe.
>
> I won't take it back.
>

"Stormmee" > wrote in message
...
> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to save
> the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take it back,
> if it is bad then they want to know, Lee

I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was bad.
For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I don't know how
long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and bought more.

"Stormmee" > wrote in message
...
> this amases me, if you have such trouble throwing food out then take it
> back to the store and give it to them even if you refuse the money, you
> may have worked in retail, i own and run retail, and would much prefer a
> loyal customer to return a potentailly dangerous product, Lee

I don't have trouble throwing things out. It's just that it's a pain to get
rid of food here. We can't just throw it out. It has to go in a bio bag,
tied shut and then into the yard waste. If I could just have thrown the
packages as is into the trash, I would have done it. But I can't.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> this amases me, if you have such trouble throwing food out then take
>> it back to the store and give it to them even if you refuse the
>> money, you may have worked in retail, i own and run retail, and
>> would much prefer a loyal customer to return a potentailly dangerous
>> product, Lee
>
> I don't have trouble throwing things out. It's just that it's a pain
> to get rid of food here. We can't just throw it out. It has to go
> in a bio bag, tied shut and then into the yard waste. If I could
> just have thrown the packages as is into the trash, I would have done
> it. But I can't.

I used to give my meat I wouldn't eat to my dog - they have cast iron
stomachs. I never keep minced/ground meat unfrozen (or other "prepared"
meats - like sausages, franks etc) in the fridge for more that 2 days. I am
not saying I fed my dog rotten meat, just meat I wouldn't eat because I have
a fear of eating meat kept in the fridge too long.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to
>> save the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take
>> it back, if it is bad then they want to know, Lee
>
> I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was
> bad. For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I
> don't know how long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and
> bought more.

If meat is bad you would generally be very sick, sometimes needing
hospitalisation.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> this amases me, if you have such trouble throwing food out then take
>>> it back to the store and give it to them even if you refuse the
>>> money, you may have worked in retail, i own and run retail, and
>>> would much prefer a loyal customer to return a potentailly dangerous
>>> product, Lee
>>
>> I don't have trouble throwing things out. It's just that it's a pain
>> to get rid of food here. We can't just throw it out. It has to go
>> in a bio bag, tied shut and then into the yard waste. If I could
>> just have thrown the packages as is into the trash, I would have done
>> it. But I can't.
>
> I used to give my meat I wouldn't eat to my dog - they have cast iron
> stomachs. I never keep minced/ground meat unfrozen (or other "prepared"
> meats - like sausages, franks etc) in the fridge for more that 2 days. I
> am not saying I fed my dog rotten meat, just meat I wouldn't eat because I
> have a fear of eating meat kept in the fridge too long.



I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food based
on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and loose
bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off. Too much
work, though I really love them both.

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to
>>> save the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take
>>> it back, if it is bad then they want to know, Lee
>>
>> I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was
>> bad. For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I
>> don't know how long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and
>> bought more.
>
> If meat is bad you would generally be very sick, sometimes needing
> hospitalisation.



When I was about 18 (maybe 50 years ago) I bought some sausage meat made at
a local butcher shop. It was home made, and really good. But a few hours
after eating it, I really thought I was going to die. It was the absolute
worst case of food poisoning. Shivers, sweats, vomiting the whole bit. I
can't begin to tell you how awful it was. I am fussy about that stuff ever
since..... and it was YEARS till I could ever eat Italian sausage again.
Just looking at it used to make me ill.

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to
>>>> save the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take
>>>> it back, if it is bad then they want to know, Lee
>>>
>>> I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was
>>> bad. For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I
>>> don't know how long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and
>>> bought more.
>>
>> If meat is bad you would generally be very sick, sometimes needing
>> hospitalisation.
>
>
>
> When I was about 18 (maybe 50 years ago) I bought some sausage meat made
> at a local butcher shop. It was home made, and really good. But a few
> hours after eating it, I really thought I was going to die. It was the
> absolute worst case of food poisoning. Shivers, sweats, vomiting the
> whole bit. I can't begin to tell you how awful it was. I am fussy
> about that stuff ever since..... and it was YEARS till I could ever eat
> Italian sausage again. Just looking at it used to make me ill.

Same thing happened to me years ago with a small coconut cream pie from KFC.
Damn, I was sick for a few days after the initial onslaught. I hate KFC
anyway.

Cheri

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...

> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
> based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
> loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off.
> Too much work, though I really love them both.

Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what you're
saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too painful when they
die.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
>> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
>> based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
>> loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off. Too
>> much work, though I really love them both.
>
> Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what you're
> saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too painful when
> they die.
>
> Cheri


It's absolutely going to kill me when they go.
But we both agreed no more after these guys go.

I will still keep cats. They are good pets and they are easy.



--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

Evelyn wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> this amases me, if you have such trouble throwing food out then
>>>> take it back to the store and give it to them even if you refuse
>>>> the money, you may have worked in retail, i own and run retail, and
>>>> would much prefer a loyal customer to return a potentailly
>>>> dangerous product, Lee
>>>
>>> I don't have trouble throwing things out. It's just that it's a
>>> pain to get rid of food here. We can't just throw it out. It has
>>> to go in a bio bag, tied shut and then into the yard waste. If I
>>> could just have thrown the packages as is into the trash, I would
>>> have done it. But I can't.
>>
>> I used to give my meat I wouldn't eat to my dog - they have cast iron
>> stomachs. I never keep minced/ground meat unfrozen (or other
>> "prepared" meats - like sausages, franks etc) in the fridge for more
>> that 2 days. I am not saying I fed my dog rotten meat, just meat I
>> wouldn't eat because I have a fear of eating meat kept in the fridge
>> too long.
>
>
>
> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
> based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
> loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off.
> Too much work, though I really love them both.

My golden retriever ate anything. Any meats, any veggies, rice whatever. He
also loved a bowl of fruit. He also ate anything Jasmine tossed out her
window when she was little, videos, DVD's, books, photos, diapers.... her
bedding. Every time I replaced the window screens she would kick them out so
the dog could poke his head through to her. I lost count of how many times
most of her bedroom was lying outside the window when I woke.

Evelyn wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want
>>>> to save the money and possibly help out the store where you got it
>>>> take it back, if it is bad then they want to know, Lee
>>>
>>> I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was
>>> bad. For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I
>>> don't know how long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and
>>> bought more.
>>
>> If meat is bad you would generally be very sick, sometimes needing
>> hospitalisation.
>
>
>
> When I was about 18 (maybe 50 years ago) I bought some sausage meat
> made at a local butcher shop. It was home made, and really good. But a
> few hours after eating it, I really thought I was going to die.
> It was the absolute worst case of food poisoning. Shivers, sweats,
> vomiting the whole bit. I can't begin to tell you how awful it was.
> I am fussy about that stuff ever since..... and it was YEARS till I
> could ever eat Italian sausage again. Just looking at it used to make
> me ill.

I had a shocking tummy bug when I was 15 and missed two of my year 10 final
exams. The last thing I had eaten was my future MIL's savoury mince and I
was convinced it was that - no one else got sick though I wouldn't touch
mince cooked in that manner for years! I was ok with hamburgers and pies etc
but not as a savoury mince.

Cheri wrote:
> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
>> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
>> based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
>> loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off.
>> Too much work, though I really love them both.
>
> Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what
> you're saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too
> painful when they die.

Sorry to hear that Cheri

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:02:53 -0400, Ozgirl wrote
(in article >):


> I had a shocking tummy bug when I was 15 and missed two of my year 10 final
> exams. The last thing I had eaten was my future MIL's savoury mince and I
> was convinced it was that - no one else got sick though I wouldn't touch
> mince cooked in that manner for years! I was ok with hamburgers and pies etc
> but not as a savoury mince.
>


When I was 15, in about 1950, my mother and aunt and I went on a short
vacation. I had my first lobster dinner and got the flu the same night. I
was so sick that I couldn't touch lobster again until long after I was
married. On the plus side, it was the first Asian flu that was going around
and I hope that it helps some with the new flu. I don't think I've ever been
as sick again.

TaniO

"TaniO" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:02:53 -0400, Ozgirl wrote
> (in article >):
>
>
>> I had a shocking tummy bug when I was 15 and missed two of my year 10
>> final
>> exams. The last thing I had eaten was my future MIL's savoury mince and I
>> was convinced it was that - no one else got sick though I wouldn't
>> touch
>> mince cooked in that manner for years! I was ok with hamburgers and pies
>> etc
>> but not as a savoury mince.
>>
>
>
> When I was 15, in about 1950, my mother and aunt and I went on a short
> vacation. I had my first lobster dinner and got the flu the same night.
> I
> was so sick that I couldn't touch lobster again until long after I was
> married. On the plus side, it was the first Asian flu that was going
> around
> and I hope that it helps some with the new flu. I don't think I've ever
> been
> as sick again.
>
> TaniO


They say that one of the flus that went around in the '50s will definitely
help us with some immunity to this one. My stepdaughter and grandkids just
got over the swine flu. They made it through OK.
--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

i am not responsible enough to have a dog, the cats let me know in no
uncertain terms when to feed them, when to clean the box, and they let me
know when i should clean their fountain, Lee

--
Have a great day
"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
>>> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
>>> based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
>>> loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off.
>>> Too much work, though I really love them both.
>>
>> Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what
>> you're saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too painful
>> when they die.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> It's absolutely going to kill me when they go.
> But we both agreed no more after these guys go.
>
> I will still keep cats. They are good pets and they are easy.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Evelyn
>
> "Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a
> boundless heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

Alan S wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:27:51 -0400, "Evelyn" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
>>>> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special
>>>> food based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them
>>>> gas and loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when
>>>> they die off. Too much work, though I really love them both.
>>>
>>> Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what
>>> you're saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too
>>> painful when they die.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> It's absolutely going to kill me when they go.
>> But we both agreed no more after these guys go.
>>
>> I will still keep cats. They are good pets and they are easy.
>
> It's even better when it's the neighbour's cat. She goes to work at
> 7am and gets home at 6pm. At 7:30 her cat is on the couch in my office
> which becomes its base for the day. At 5:30 it heads for home.
>
> It's some sort of brown short-haired Burmese. It's got the loudest
> yowl I've ever heard on a cat and will sit at my door and keep it up
> for ages if I don't let it in.
>
> We don't feed it, so I think it's just lonely:-)

My brother has always had Burmese cats, they seem to be very sociable .

"BlueBrooke" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:15:15 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
>> > sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
>> > based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
>> > loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off.
>> > Too much work, though I really love them both.
>>
>> Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what
>> you're
>> saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too painful when
>> they
>> die.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I'm so sorry, Cheri. That *is* very hard.
>
> We lost a dog a few weeks ago, too -- hubby is still having a hard
> time with it -- and now another one is headed to the vet tomorrow and
> I'm not sure I'll be bringing him back home with me -- he's over 15
> years old, at least. He's been missing for over a week, and I was in
> total shock when I found him on the porch this afternoon.
>
> That leaves two here, if the old man doesn't make it, and definitely,
> when I say, "No more dogs!" this time, I mean it. :-)

Thank you, yes our dog went to work with Phil almost every day, so he is
really having a hard time with it. I'm sorry to hear about your losses as
well. Too painful.

Cheri

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> Cheri wrote:
>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I wish my dogs could eat that stuff. My two German Shepherds have
>>> sensitive stomachs and allergies. I have to feed them a special food
>>> based on brown rice, barley and bison meat. Beef gives them gas and
>>> loose bowels. These are my last dogs. No more when they die off.
>>> Too much work, though I really love them both.
>>
>> Our dog Sophie died recently. It's very hard, but I understand what
>> you're saying...no more pets for all those reasons, plus it's too
>> painful when they die.
>
> Sorry to hear that Cheri

TY

>

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
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> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> this amases me, if you have such trouble throwing food out then take
>>> it back to the store and give it to them even if you refuse the
>>> money, you may have worked in retail, i own and run retail, and
>>> would much prefer a loyal customer to return a potentailly dangerous
>>> product, Lee
>>
>> I don't have trouble throwing things out. It's just that it's a pain
>> to get rid of food here. We can't just throw it out. It has to go
>> in a bio bag, tied shut and then into the yard waste. If I could
>> just have thrown the packages as is into the trash, I would have done
>> it. But I can't.
>
> I used to give my meat I wouldn't eat to my dog - they have cast iron
> stomachs. I never keep minced/ground meat unfrozen (or other "prepared"
> meats - like sausages, franks etc) in the fridge for more that 2 days. I
> am not saying I fed my dog rotten meat, just meat I wouldn't eat because I
> have a fear of eating meat kept in the fridge too long.

I don't have a dog. Just a very elderly cat who is a picky eater.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
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> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to
>>> save the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take
>>> it back, if it is bad then they want to know, Lee
>>
>> I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was
>> bad. For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I
>> don't know how long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and
>> bought more.
>
> If meat is bad you would generally be very sick, sometimes needing
> hospitalisation.

And we didn't get very sick. Just felt like we were going to throw up.
Angela now has what seems like a cold. So we might have had something else.
Dunno. But I got rid of the meat to be safe.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> if you want to waste the money just throw it out, but if you want to
>>>>> save the money and possibly help out the store where you got it take
>>>>> it back, if it is bad then they want to know, Lee
>>>>
>>>> I don't care so much about saving money and I don't know that it was
>>>> bad. For all I know it could have been the salsa that was bad. I
>>>> don't know how long it was in the fridge for. I threw it out and
>>>> bought more.
>>>
>>> If meat is bad you would generally be very sick, sometimes needing
>>> hospitalisation.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I was about 18 (maybe 50 years ago) I bought some sausage meat made
>> at a local butcher shop. It was home made, and really good. But a few
>> hours after eating it, I really thought I was going to die. It was the
>> absolute worst case of food poisoning. Shivers, sweats, vomiting the
>> whole bit. I can't begin to tell you how awful it was. I am fussy
>> about that stuff ever since..... and it was YEARS till I could ever eat
>> Italian sausage again. Just looking at it used to make me ill.
>
> Same thing happened to me years ago with a small coconut cream pie from
> KFC. Damn, I was sick for a few days after the initial onslaught. I hate
> KFC anyway.

I had food poisoning as a kid. We assumed it was from salad. We dined out
at a place in another city where we had never eaten before. My brother
refused to eat salad and he didn't get sick. The salad was the only thing
my parents and I ate that was in common and we were all sick for days.