Retard wrote:
> explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
> changed your tastes for certain foods.

Strawman. My tastes haven't changed (nor have my politics, which is why
I was never vegan to begin with). I'd noted that I would probably resume
eating fish -- much to the outrage of both Lesley and Zakhar -- in posts
from that same era.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:

>Retard wrote:
>> explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>> changed your tastes for certain foods.
>
>Strawman.

You've claimed that your change in stance was
because you learned something from your mistakes,
yet part of this change seems to have altered your
taste for certain foods as well, so it's clear you're
not telling the truth about this alleged learning from
your mistakes because learning from one's mistakes
cannot change one's taste in food as well.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that, pusher?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>>>changed your tastes for certain foods.
>>
>>Strawman.
>
>
> You've claimed that your change in stance was
> because you learned something from your mistakes,

Correct.

> yet part of this change seems

Seems? Is that the best you can do, fatso?

> to have altered your
> taste for certain foods as well,

Which foods would those be, Nash? I'd already noted in afv, aaev, and
tpa that I'd probably consume fish again. Other than the fish I ate last
week, my diet is virtually unchanged. I consume dairy only when my
girlfriend cooks something with it (non-fat yogurt or skim milk), and
I've had processed foods (e.g., fake Italian sausage) with egg whites
maybe three times in the last year.

> so it's clear you're

The only thing that's clear is you cannot get past shit-stirring.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:51:51 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>
>>>>explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>>>>changed your tastes for certain foods.
>>>
>>>Strawman.
>>
>> You've claimed that your change in stance was
>> because you learned something from your mistakes,
>
>Correct.
>
>> yet part of this change seems
>
>Seems? Is that the best you can do, fatso?

I wrote 'seems' because I don't believe one's taste in
foods can change by learning something from one's
mistakes.

>> to have altered your
>> taste for certain foods as well,
>
>Which foods would those be

The foods I mentioned which are in your quotes
that you keep snipping away.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

"Reynard" > wrote
>
> The Moving Finger writes;

Yawn, same old tactics eh Derek?

Nobody believes that changing one's position on something makes you a liar
or a hypocrite.

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:33:38 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

>"Reynard" > wrote
>>
>> The Moving Finger writes;
>
>Yawn, same old tactics eh Derek?
>
>Nobody believes that changing one's position on something makes you a liar
>or a hypocrite.

In his quotes below he states that he dislikes flesh,
so how does learning from one's mistakes, as he
claims, suddenly change his tastes for food items?
He also states that he believes the consumption of
meat, dairy and eggs are bad for him, animals, his
environment, and the whole World, but he sings a
different tune now he's become a meat pusher, so
how did learning from his mistakes do that?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie his current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

"Derek" > wrote

> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:33:38 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

>>Nobody believes that changing one's position on something makes you a liar
>>or a hypocrite.
>
> In his quotes below he states that he dislikes flesh,
> so how does learning from one's mistakes, as he
> claims, suddenly change his tastes for food items?

Quite easily, he was parroting things that vegans typically say. Once he
starting examining veganism objectively those statements no longer rang
true, so he discarded them. When you speak from your own mind you say
different things than when you are acting as a mouthpiece.

> He also states that he believes the consumption of
> meat, dairy and eggs are bad for him, animals, his
> environment, and the whole World, but he sings a
> different tune now he's become a meat pusher, so
> how did learning from his mistakes do that?

See above..

Claire's Stupid Uncle Dreck wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:33:38 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
>
>>"Retard" > wrote
>>
>>>The Moving Finger writes;
>>
>>Yawn, same old tactics eh Derek?
>>
>>Nobody believes that changing one's position on something makes you a liar
>>or a hypocrite.
>
> In his quotes below he states that he dislikes flesh,
> so how does learning from one's mistakes, as he
> claims, suddenly change his tastes for food items?

Strawman. When did my tastes ever change? I ate two servings of spicy
tuna. Other than that, my diet is unchanged for the same reasons given
in the past, you fat ****.

"Derek" > wrote

> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:33:38 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

>>Nobody believes that changing one's position on something makes you a liar
>>or a hypocrite.
>
> In his quotes below he states that he dislikes flesh,
> so how does learning from one's mistakes, as he
> claims, suddenly change his tastes for food items?

Quite easily, he was parroting things that vegans typically say. Once he
starting examining veganism objectively those statements no longer rang
true, so he discarded them. When you speak from your own mind you say
different things than when you are acting as a mouthpiece.

> He also states that he believes the consumption of
> meat, dairy and eggs are bad for him, animals, his
> environment, and the whole World, but he sings a
> different tune now he's become a meat pusher, so
> how did learning from his mistakes do that?

See above..

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:33:38 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

>"Reynard" > wrote
>>
>> The Moving Finger writes;
>
>Yawn, same old tactics eh Derek?
>
>Nobody believes that changing one's position on something makes you a liar
>or a hypocrite.

In his quotes below he states that he dislikes flesh,
so how does learning from one's mistakes, as he
claims, suddenly change his tastes for food items?
He also states that he believes the consumption of
meat, dairy and eggs are bad for him, animals, his
environment, and the whole World, but he sings a
different tune now he's become a meat pusher, so
how did learning from his mistakes do that?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie his current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:51:51 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>>>>>changed your tastes for certain foods.
>>>>
>>>>Strawman.
>>>
>>>You've claimed that your change in stance was
>>>because you learned something from your mistakes,
>>
>>Correct.
>>
>>
>>>yet part of this change seems
>>
>>Seems? Is that the best you can do, fatso?
>
> I wrote 'seems' because I don't believe one's taste in
> foods can change

Strawman. You're the only one suggesting that my tastes have changed.

>>>to have altered your
>>>taste for certain foods as well,
>>
>>Which foods would those be
>
> The foods I mentioned which are in your quotes
> that you keep snipping away.

Other than consuming a couple servings of sashimi two weeks ago, how has
my diet changed, fatso?

<snip strawman and assorted shit-stirring>

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:51:51 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>>>>>changed your tastes for certain foods.
>>>>
>>>>Strawman.
>>>
>>>You've claimed that your change in stance was
>>>because you learned something from your mistakes,
>>
>>Correct.
>>
>>
>>>yet part of this change seems
>>
>>Seems? Is that the best you can do, fatso?
>
> I wrote 'seems' because I don't believe one's taste in
> foods can change

Strawman. You're the only one suggesting that my tastes have changed.

>>>to have altered your
>>>taste for certain foods as well,
>>
>>Which foods would those be
>
> The foods I mentioned which are in your quotes
> that you keep snipping away.

Other than consuming a couple servings of sashimi two weeks ago, how has
my diet changed, fatso?

<snip strawman and assorted shit-stirring>