"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > Derek > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:52:14 -0500, Ron > wrote:
>> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> [..]
>> >> >> > I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
>> >> >> > keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope
>> >> >> > there
>> >> >> > aren't children in your vicinity.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the
>> >> >> > farmer
>> >> >> > can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far
>> >> >> > has
>> >> >> > made
>> >> >> > that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are
>> >> >> > powerless
>> >> >> > before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions
>> >> >> > respond.
>> >> >> ===============
>> >> >> Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work
>> >> >> proving
>> >> >> your ignorance and stupidity....
>> >> >
>> >> >Ah, rick! Hello! It is you that didn't respond. You have argued that
>> >> >the
>> >> >killers of animals are not responsible and that the consumer is
>> >> >responsible. I asked then, who is responsible for the consumer's
>> >> >actions? How can you logically state that one is responsible for the
>> >> >other, but not vice versa.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm sorry you're looking foolish, rick. But this is the outcome of
>> >> >the
>> >> >beliefs that you are advocating here in your attempt to make vegans
>> >> >look
>> >> >bad.
>> >>
>> >> Rick, like all the other buck-passers here insists that
>> >> the vegan must falsely take on the responsibility for
>> >> the wrong actions of others, thereby enabling those
>> >> wrong actions to continue and to make themselves
>> >> fellow enablers of those wrong actions. In my view,
>> >> his argument aims to recruit vegan apologists and
>> >> enablers so he can then go on to insist that they are
>> >> showing a contempt for the rights of animals when
>> >> buying vegetables.
>> >
>> > You've known him longer than I have. I have my own observations about
>> > his style and methods. We'll see how the discussion goes.
>> ================
>> LOL What discussion? You can't keep from lying, and cannot even keep
>> track
>> of the respones that are being made, fool.
>
> The discussion above seems to be about responsibility and misplaced
> responsibility. Yet, I find nothing in your comments related to the
> issue of responsibility.
>
> Please clarify. Are you in agreement with Dutch and usual that I am
> responsible for the killing that others do, or not?
==========================
When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here, pansy-boy,
but you have already lost, again.

In article . net>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
> are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here, pansy-boy,
> but you have already lost, again.

Same difficulty. My actions are independent of the outcomes.

I could for example pay a hitman 10K. He might kill a person. He might
use the money for charity. He might take the money and run. He might do
any number of things. I am not responsible for his action and the
outcomes of his actions.

What are often described as logical consequences of actions are
indicative of flawed reasoning.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
>> are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here,
>> pansy-boy,
>> but you have already lost, again.
>
> Same difficulty. My actions are independent of the outcomes.
======================
No, there are not. You have choices. You make the one that causes death.
Your choice led to it, you paid for it. You are culpable.


>
> I could for example pay a hitman 10K. He might kill a person. He might
> use the money for charity. He might take the money and run. He might do
> any number of things. I am not responsible for his action and the
> outcomes of his actions.
================
LOL Idiocy 101? Is that what passes as logic in your world?

>
> What are often described as logical consequences of actions are
> indicative of flawed reasoning.
=================
You should know all about flawed reasoning, fool. It's all you have
presented.

In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . net>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >
> >> When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
> >> are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here,
> >> pansy-boy,
> >> but you have already lost, again.
> >
> > Same difficulty. My actions are independent of the outcomes.
> ======================
> No, there are not. You have choices. You make the one that causes death.
> Your choice led to it, you paid for it. You are culpable.

You made me do it. I made you do it. What a world we live in.

Actually, someone paid me to go to the store and buy meat today, so they
are responsible. I have no accountability in the world, just like you.

> > I could for example pay a hitman 10K. He might kill a person. He might
> > use the money for charity. He might take the money and run. He might do
> > any number of things. I am not responsible for his action and the
> > outcomes of his actions.
> ================
> LOL Idiocy 101? Is that what passes as logic in your world?

"He made me do it, officer. I had no choice. I couldn't say no, or the
cheque would bounce."

"I'm weak your honour. I can't resist a couple of bucks. I have no will
or strength of character or ego."

Don't blame me, it's a.....dutch's fault. Ya that's it. It's Dutch's
fault. If he didn't do X then I wouldn't do Y.

> > What are often described as logical consequences of actions are
> > indicative of flawed reasoning.
> =================
> You should know all about flawed reasoning, fool. It's all you have
> presented.

Command me, oh, powerful one. I am not in control of my own actions.
Everything that I do is because you command it. If you didn't type, then
I wouldn't type. I must blame you for the fact that my fingers are on my
keyboard in my home. I must blame you for my musciles and tendons
driving my fingers over the keyboard. YOU caused this.

In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . net>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >
> >> When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
> >> are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here,
> >> pansy-boy,
> >> but you have already lost, again.
> >
> > Same difficulty. My actions are independent of the outcomes.
> ======================
> No, there are not. You have choices. You make the one that causes death.
> Your choice led to it, you paid for it. You are culpable.

You made me do it. I made you do it. What a world we live in.

Actually, someone paid me to go to the store and buy meat today, so they
are responsible. I have no accountability in the world, just like you.

> > I could for example pay a hitman 10K. He might kill a person. He might
> > use the money for charity. He might take the money and run. He might do
> > any number of things. I am not responsible for his action and the
> > outcomes of his actions.
> ================
> LOL Idiocy 101? Is that what passes as logic in your world?

"He made me do it, officer. I had no choice. I couldn't say no, or the
cheque would bounce."

"I'm weak your honour. I can't resist a couple of bucks. I have no will
or strength of character or ego."

Don't blame me, it's a.....dutch's fault. Ya that's it. It's Dutch's
fault. If he didn't do X then I wouldn't do Y.

> > What are often described as logical consequences of actions are
> > indicative of flawed reasoning.
> =================
> You should know all about flawed reasoning, fool. It's all you have
> presented.

Command me, oh, powerful one. I am not in control of my own actions.
Everything that I do is because you command it. If you didn't type, then
I wouldn't type. I must blame you for the fact that my fingers are on my
keyboard in my home. I must blame you for my musciles and tendons
driving my fingers over the keyboard. YOU caused this.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
>> are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here,
>> pansy-boy,
>> but you have already lost, again.
>
> Same difficulty. My actions are independent of the outcomes.
======================
No, there are not. You have choices. You make the one that causes death.
Your choice led to it, you paid for it. You are culpable.


>
> I could for example pay a hitman 10K. He might kill a person. He might
> use the money for charity. He might take the money and run. He might do
> any number of things. I am not responsible for his action and the
> outcomes of his actions.
================
LOL Idiocy 101? Is that what passes as logic in your world?

>
> What are often described as logical consequences of actions are
> indicative of flawed reasoning.
=================
You should know all about flawed reasoning, fool. It's all you have
presented.

In article . net>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> When the actions you knowingly take result in those deaths, then yes, you
> are culpable. You can continue to try and pass the buck here, pansy-boy,
> but you have already lost, again.

Same difficulty. My actions are independent of the outcomes.

I could for example pay a hitman 10K. He might kill a person. He might
use the money for charity. He might take the money and run. He might do
any number of things. I am not responsible for his action and the
outcomes of his actions.

What are often described as logical consequences of actions are
indicative of flawed reasoning.