"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 01:26:38a, Jen meant to say...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>> 28.19...
>>> Oh pshaw, on Tue 05 Sep 2006 04:10:08p, Jen meant to say...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> ... Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is not
>>>>> essential for weight loss. I've lost 68½ pounds on Weight Watchers
>>>>> without doing one moment of exercise.
>>>>
>>>> And I have lost 20 pounds in the last year through exercise without
>>>> dieting.
>>>>
>>>> I've been exercising my butt of for the last 4 years, and haven't lost
>>>> any weight. I can't see a difference in my body, my clothes fit the
>>>> same, and the weight is much the same. But I do *feel* fitter, that's
>>>> the main thing.
>>>>
>>>> Jen
>>>
>>> Weight loss is entirely dependent on calories expended exceeding
>>> calories consumed. Whether it's through diet or exercise or a
>>> combination of the two, one still needs a deficit of calories to lose
>>> weight.
>>>
>>> Exercise alone can certainly firm and tone the muscles and inches can
>>> be lost without weight loss. Many people feel better when they
>>> exercise.
>>
>> Yeah. It stimulates the *happy hormones*. I actually started more for
>> depression, as well as fitness.
>
> You'll laugh at me, Jen, but the very thought of having to exercise
> depresses me. :-)
>
>> I have great respect for you Wayne, being able to diet, while being such
>> a great cook. I love my food too much for my own good. Although I have
>> cut back.
>
> Thanks, Jen. Actually, one thing dieting does for cooking is it spurs
> greater creativitty to create good tasting food.

LOL. Sometimes I have trouble getting motivated, but once I'm there I love
it.
I find it easier to DO MORE (i.e.. more exercise), than to DO LESS (i.e..
less food, food types)

Jen

MY WORD wrote:

> I disagree. I can see she's lost that much. I don't agree with the
> commercials because it's just another fad diet programme. But I've lost
> 82 lbs with weight watchers and I'm still pear shaped. Some fat won't
> come off even with exercise because there are no muscles in the area.
>

You can tone and lose inches in areas with muscle, but fat can come off
from anywhere once you get down far enough. It just takes longer to get
to certain areas.

I had a lean cat with a "tumor" that felt like a grape on his side. The
vet checked it and said it was unsually placed fat. He had it for about
7 years, yet he was never fat. I could easily feel his ribs. He was a
knobby cat his whole life. As he got older though, he got sick and lost
weight, went from lean to scary skinny. He lost muscle in his hid end
and nevergained it back. That weird fat bubble disappeared and never
reappeared, even when he did gain weight again. It just wasn't absorbed
until he really needed it.

There was definitely no muscle in that spot as the fat bubble was just
a grape-sized bulge. It really did feel like a tumor hanging off his
side, just under his skin.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 04:07:57p, Craig Welch meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is not
>> essential for weight loss. I've lost 68� pounds on Weight Watchers
>> without doing one moment of exercise.
>
> Why don't you take any exercise?
>

Simple, really. I don't like exercise nor most activities that "feel" like
exercise. Never have, never will. :-)

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__________________________________________________

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural
stupidity.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 04:10:45p, Craig Welch meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Tue 05 Sep 2006 11:39:49p, Craig Welch meant to say...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> My doctor takes caliper measurements at various points, as well as
>>>> weight/height figures, in calculating a far more accurate BMI.
>>>> Ultimately, a water tank test is the most accurate. I have had one of
>>>> those, and will have another in October or November.
>>> What on earth for?
>>>
>>
>> To determine fat to lean tissue ratio.
>
> Yes, I understand that.
>
> But what on earth for?
>

There are desirable percentages. Modifying diet can, over time, achieve
that. Without measurements there's no way to know what progress is being
made.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural
stupidity.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 06:09:47p, Jen meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> 28.19...
>> Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 01:26:38a, Jen meant to say...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> 28.19...
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Tue 05 Sep 2006 04:10:08p, Jen meant to say...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>> ... Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is
>>>>>> not essential for weight loss. I've lost 68½ pounds on Weight
>>>>>> Watchers without doing one moment of exercise.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I have lost 20 pounds in the last year through exercise without
>>>>> dieting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been exercising my butt of for the last 4 years, and haven't
>>>>> lost any weight. I can't see a difference in my body, my clothes
>>>>> fit the same, and the weight is much the same. But I do *feel*
>>>>> fitter, that's the main thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jen
>>>>
>>>> Weight loss is entirely dependent on calories expended exceeding
>>>> calories consumed. Whether it's through diet or exercise or a
>>>> combination of the two, one still needs a deficit of calories to lose
>>>> weight.
>>>>
>>>> Exercise alone can certainly firm and tone the muscles and inches can
>>>> be lost without weight loss. Many people feel better when they
>>>> exercise.
>>>
>>> Yeah. It stimulates the *happy hormones*. I actually started more
>>> for depression, as well as fitness.
>>
>> You'll laugh at me, Jen, but the very thought of having to exercise
>> depresses me. :-)
>>
>>> I have great respect for you Wayne, being able to diet, while being
>>> such a great cook. I love my food too much for my own good. Although
>>> I have cut back.
>>
>> Thanks, Jen. Actually, one thing dieting does for cooking is it spurs
>> greater creativitty to create good tasting food.
>
> LOL. Sometimes I have trouble getting motivated, but once I'm there I
> love it.
> I find it easier to DO MORE (i.e.. more exercise), than to DO LESS
> (i.e.. less food, food types)

And I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I'd rather do with less than to
do something I really don't like. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural
stupidity.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 07:19:41p, Craig Welch meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is not
>>>> essential for weight loss. I've lost 68 pounds on Weight Watchers
>>>> without doing one moment of exercise.
>>> Why don't you take any exercise?
>>>
>>
>> Simple, really. I don't like exercise nor most activities that "feel"
>> like exercise. Never have, never will. :-)
>
> Then you're digging your own grave ...
>

Perhaps, but my doctor considers me in good health. My vitals and blood
tests results are better than the average person of my age, 61.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural
stupidity.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 07:20:49p, Craig Welch meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>>>>> My doctor takes caliper measurements at various points, as well as
>>>>>> weight/height figures, in calculating a far more accurate BMI.
>>>>>> Ultimately, a water tank test is the most accurate. I have had one
of
>>>>>> those, and will have another in October or November.
>>>>> What on earth for?
>>>>>
>>>> To determine fat to lean tissue ratio.
>>> Yes, I understand that.
>>>
>>> But what on earth for?
>
>> There are desirable percentages. Modifying diet can, over time, achieve
>> that. Without measurements there's no way to know what progress is
being
>> made.
>
> Yes there is. It's called the mirror. A glance in the mirror from time
> to time is sufficient to see if one is fat or not.
>

Whatever <shrug>.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural
stupidity.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 08:55:10p, Michael "Dog3" Lonergan meant to
say...

> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com>
> 28.19:
>
>>
>> Perhaps, but my doctor considers me in good health. My vitals and blood
>> tests results are better than the average person of my age, 61.
>
> Hee hee. You are a decade older than I.
>
> Michael

Yep, 10 years wiser. :-)

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__________________________________________________

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stupidity.

Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>
>> And it's still ********, because it assumes that all nonfat
>> body tissue weighs the same.
>
>Inaccuracy does not equal "********". All models in natural sciences are
>also just simplified models that approximates nature "good enough". As
>long two samples from the same individual that shows a decline in body
>fat is actually a decline in body fat 95% of the time, it is a good measure.

BMI doesn't tell you that. BMI tells you that their
height or weight changed.

BMI is certainly ********. The correlation between
fat and (height,weight) tuples is very broad. Telling
everyone who is above the BMI calculation that they are
fat is a mistake in a ridiculously large proportion
of cases. But that's what doctors do.

--Blair

Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 09:21:46p, Craig Welch meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Wed 06 Sep 2006 07:19:41p, Craig Welch meant to say...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is
>>>>>> not essential for weight loss. I've lost 68 pounds on Weight
>>>>>> Watchers without doing one moment of exercise.
>>>>> Why don't you take any exercise?
>>>>>
>>>> Simple, really. I don't like exercise nor most activities that
>>>> "feel" like exercise. Never have, never will. :-)
>>> Then you're digging your own grave ...
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps, but my doctor considers me in good health. My vitals and
>> blood tests results are better than the average person of my age, 61.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what is your resting pulse rate?
>

On average, 68.

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__________________________________________________

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural
stupidity.

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> BMI doesn't tell you that. BMI tells you that their
> height or weight changed.
>
> BMI is certainly ********. The correlation between
> fat and (height,weight) tuples is very broad. Telling
> everyone who is above the BMI calculation that they are
> fat is a mistake in a ridiculously large proportion
> of cases. But that's what doctors do.

I am not talking about BMI.

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wrote:
>
> I had a lean cat with a "tumor" that felt like a grape on his side. The
> vet checked it and said it was unsually placed fat. He had it for about
> 7 years, yet he was never fat. I could easily feel his ribs. He was a
> knobby cat his whole life. As he got older though, he got sick and lost
> weight, went from lean to scary skinny. He lost muscle in his hid end
> and nevergained it back. That weird fat bubble disappeared and never
> reappeared, even when he did gain weight again. It just wasn't absorbed
> until he really needed it.
>
> There was definitely no muscle in that spot as the fat bubble was just
> a grape-sized bulge. It really did feel like a tumor hanging off his
> side, just under his skin.

Lipoma or lipidoma. People get them too.

-L.

MY WORD wrote:
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> > She's still a pear. She hasn't lost 75 lbs. NO FRIGGIN' WAY!
> >
> > She looks fatter now than she did on the Oprah winfrey show last year.
> >
> > I think she's a fraud. No exercise? It can't be done!!!
> >
> > Sorry, I'm just sick of her BS Jenny Craig commercials.
> >
> > Andy
>
> I disagree. I can see she's lost that much.

I am convinced she lied that she only weighted 220 when she started.
She *had to* weigh more than that considering her height and how big
she was.


>I don't agree with the
> commercials because it's just another fad diet programme. But I've lost
> 82 lbs with weight watchers

Excellent! How long did it take you?

>and I'm still pear shaped. Some fat won't
> come off even with exercise because there are no muscles in the area.

It will eventually.

-L.

Craig Welch wrote:

> > There are desirable percentages. Modifying diet can, over time, achieve
> > that. Without measurements there's no way to know what progress is being
> > made.
>
> Yes there is. It's called the mirror. A glance in the mirror from time
> to time is sufficient to see if one is fat or not.

If only it worked. Some slim people seem to see only their fat while heavy
people don't see it at all.

Yesterday while I was at the Y working out I watch a girl get on the scale to
weigh her self and she had a look of total disgust when she looked down and read
her weight. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I have to confess that I may
have been ogling her because she looked fantastic. She had a very slender
waist, flat belly, nice butt. The only place she looked proportionately large
was her arms, but that was muscle. What ever she was doing to get her body in
shape was certainly working. I don't know why she was so upset. I could have
understood it if she had been looking in the mirror. She was a bit of a
butterface.

Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:

> I am no longer allowed to go to the gym (free weights etc...)Walking or
> jogging is boring to me.

Try music. My tolerance for some of those cardio machines is only about 5
minutes before the boredom sets in. With some good music I can last 15-20. I
am not a runner. Hate it. So that it out. I got the bike out of the barn and
cleaned it up this year. Having damaged first one rotator cuff and then the
other, followed by a broken collar bone, I didn't ride my bike for more than 5
years, excepts the occasional ride around the block (3 miles). This spring I
started riding it to the gym. I figured that would do for my cardio workout
before and after weights. I really got into it. I started riding a few extra
miles on my way to the gym. Then I started going to other towns and cities by
bike. I was putting on 20-25 miles a day. It was fun. . I can't explain the
weight gain or quick loss.

> Neither can my doctors. I changed nothing in my eating habits or diet.
> Besides, I get enough exercise walking the dog, horseback riding and the
> never ending task of tending the gardens and cleaning house.

My wife takes the dogs for a long walk first thing every morning. Most of my
exercise is aimed at losing weight and getting fit for horse back riding. It
is a lot more work than it looks. I used to be exhausted after one lap around
the arena in posting. Now I can go around 10-12 times before stopping for an
old guy break.

"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:

> BMI doesn't tell you that. BMI tells you that their
> height or weight changed.
>
> BMI is certainly ********. The correlation between
> fat and (height,weight) tuples is very broad. Telling
> everyone who is above the BMI calculation that they are
> fat is a mistake in a ridiculously large proportion
> of cases. But that's what doctors do.

I came close to joining the army after university. I was initially rejected
because of my weight. I was 20 pounds over their limit. The doctor thought it was
nonsense. I was big, but I wasn't fat. He went to bat for me and I was accepted.
I didn't go. I sometimes wish that I had.

-L. wrote:
> MY WORD wrote:
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>>> She's still a pear. She hasn't lost 75 lbs. NO FRIGGIN' WAY!
>>>
>>> She looks fatter now than she did on the Oprah winfrey show last year.
>>>
>>> I think she's a fraud. No exercise? It can't be done!!!
>>>
>>> Sorry, I'm just sick of her BS Jenny Craig commercials.
>>>
>>> Andy
>> I disagree. I can see she's lost that much.
>
> I am convinced she lied that she only weighted 220 when she started.
> She *had to* weigh more than that considering her height and how big
> she was.
>

I agree. I used to weigh 225, and I am only 5'5" and she was more rotund
than I was at that weight.

>
>> I don't agree with the
>> commercials because it's just another fad diet programme. But I've lost
>> 82 lbs with weight watchers
>
> Excellent! How long did it take you?
>
>> and I'm still pear shaped. Some fat won't
>> come off even with exercise because there are no muscles in the area.
>
> It will eventually.
>
> -L.
>

However, excess skin doesn't always disappear. (I've lost about 60-70
pounds in the last few years, and I have lots of bagginess in my abdomen
where there is less fat, but the skin is still stretched from when there
was more :< )
Also, some people are just prone to carry fat in certain areas, and no
amount of diet or exercise will get rid of *all* of it.

Saerah

One time on Usenet, Craig Welch > said:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is not
> >>> essential for weight loss. I've lost 68 pounds on Weight Watchers
> >>> without doing one moment of exercise.

> >> Why don't you take any exercise?

> > Simple, really. I don't like exercise nor most activities that "feel" like
> > exercise. Never have, never will. :-)

> Then you're digging your own grave ...

Not necessarily. He might be much more active than he realizes. The
only way to know for sure is to know him in person, IMHO...

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One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> > JoeSpareBedroom, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 06
> > Sep 2006, typed out:

> > What part of NRSVP didn't you understand?

> All of it. Web abbreviations are the work of people with the mental capacity
> of toilet brushes. Speak English.

No, Usenet acronyms are the work of people who were dealing with
limited bandwidth and disk space. But he's not using one of them
anyway -- it's just No RSVP...

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"Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
...
> One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>> > JoeSpareBedroom, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on
>> > 06
>> > Sep 2006, typed out:
>
>> > What part of NRSVP didn't you understand?
>
>> All of it. Web abbreviations are the work of people with the mental
>> capacity
>> of toilet brushes. Speak English.
>
> No, Usenet acronyms are the work of people who were dealing with
> limited bandwidth and disk space. But he's not using one of them
> anyway -- it's just No RSVP...

Don't be silly. Using NRSVP instead of the actual words will have no
significant impact on bandwidth or disk space.

One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
> "Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
> ...
> > One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
> >> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> >> > JoeSpareBedroom, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on
> >> > 06
> >> > Sep 2006, typed out:
> >
> >> > What part of NRSVP didn't you understand?
> >
> >> All of it. Web abbreviations are the work of people with the mental
> >> capacity
> >> of toilet brushes. Speak English.
> >
> > No, Usenet acronyms are the work of people who were dealing with
> > limited bandwidth and disk space. But he's not using one of them
> > anyway -- it's just No RSVP...
>
> Don't be silly. Using NRSVP instead of the actual words will have no
> significant impact on bandwidth or disk space.

Not *now*, but that's why they were created way back when...

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"Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
...
> One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
>> "Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
>> >> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > JoeSpareBedroom, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally,
>> >> > on
>> >> > 06
>> >> > Sep 2006, typed out:
>> >
>> >> > What part of NRSVP didn't you understand?
>> >
>> >> All of it. Web abbreviations are the work of people with the mental
>> >> capacity
>> >> of toilet brushes. Speak English.
>> >
>> > No, Usenet acronyms are the work of people who were dealing with
>> > limited bandwidth and disk space. But he's not using one of them
>> > anyway -- it's just No RSVP...
>>
>> Don't be silly. Using NRSVP instead of the actual words will have no
>> significant impact on bandwidth or disk space.
>
> Not *now*, but that's why they were created way back when...

I thought they were used to help people feel cool.

One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
> "Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
> ...
> > One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
> >> "Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
> >> >> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > JoeSpareBedroom, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally,
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > 06
> >> >> > Sep 2006, typed out:
> >> >
> >> >> > What part of NRSVP didn't you understand?
> >> >
> >> >> All of it. Web abbreviations are the work of people with the mental
> >> >> capacity of toilet brushes. Speak English.
> >> >
> >> > No, Usenet acronyms are the work of people who were dealing with
> >> > limited bandwidth and disk space. But he's not using one of them
> >> > anyway -- it's just No RSVP...
> >>
> >> Don't be silly. Using NRSVP instead of the actual words will have no
> >> significant impact on bandwidth or disk space.
> >
> > Not *now*, but that's why they were created way back when...
>
> I thought they were used to help people feel cool.

No, they honestly did come about for a reason; long before I
started doing Usenet, mind you. Anyway, what I find far more
irritating is the "how r u" kind of crap. My nieces (all late
teens, early 20's) send text messages like that. Argh...

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"Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
...
> One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
>> "Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
>> >> "Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > One time on Usenet, "JoeSpareBedroom" > said:
>> >> >> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > JoeSpareBedroom, after taking an infinite amount of time,
>> >> >> > finally,
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > 06
>> >> >> > Sep 2006, typed out:
>> >> >
>> >> >> > What part of NRSVP didn't you understand?
>> >> >
>> >> >> All of it. Web abbreviations are the work of people with the mental
>> >> >> capacity of toilet brushes. Speak English.
>> >> >
>> >> > No, Usenet acronyms are the work of people who were dealing with
>> >> > limited bandwidth and disk space. But he's not using one of them
>> >> > anyway -- it's just No RSVP...
>> >>
>> >> Don't be silly. Using NRSVP instead of the actual words will have no
>> >> significant impact on bandwidth or disk space.
>> >
>> > Not *now*, but that's why they were created way back when...
>>
>> I thought they were used to help people feel cool.
>
> No, they honestly did come about for a reason; long before I
> started doing Usenet, mind you. Anyway, what I find far more
> irritating is the "how r u" kind of crap. My nieces (all late
> teens, early 20's) send text messages like that. Argh...

Yeah...kids have somehow gotten the idea that there are situations were you
don't have to write intelligibly. Bullshit.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote

> "Litttle Malice" > wrote

<snip>

>> No, they honestly did come about for a reason; long before I
>> started doing Usenet, mind you. Anyway, what I find far more
>> irritating is the "how r u" kind of crap. My nieces (all late
>> teens, early 20's) send text messages like that. Argh...
>
> Yeah...kids have somehow gotten the idea that there are situations were
> you don't have to write intelligibly. Bullshit.

I read somewhere that they are submitting job applications, etc.
with that annoying crap. It was inevitable. People started doing that
at work, a couple decades ago, that How R U crap. Not with me
they didn't. It was annoying then, now it's just old.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> If only it worked. Some slim pe

You've obviously never struggled with weight.

>
> Yesterday while I was at the Y working out I watch a girl get on the scale to
> weigh her self and she had a look of total disgust when she looked down and read
> her weight. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I have to confess that I may
> have been ogling her because she looked fantastic. She had a very slender
> waist, flat belly, nice butt. The only place she looked proportionately large
> was her arms, but that was muscle. What ever she was doing to get her body in
> shape was certainly working. I don't know why she was so upset. I could have
> understood it if she had been looking in the mirror. She was a bit of a
> butterface.

God you're an asshole.

-L.

Nancy Young wrote:

> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote
>
> > "Litttle Malice" > wrote
>
> <snip>
>
> >> No, they honestly did come about for a reason; long before I
> >> started doing Usenet, mind you. Anyway, what I find far more
> >> irritating is the "how r u" kind of crap. My nieces (all late
> >> teens, early 20's) send text messages like that. Argh...
> >
> > Yeah...kids have somehow gotten the idea that there are situations were
> > you don't have to write intelligibly. Bullshit.
>
> I read somewhere that they are submitting job applications, etc.
> with that annoying crap. It was inevitable. People started doing that
> at work, a couple decades ago, that How R U crap. Not with me
> they didn't. It was annoying then, now it's just old.


Such sloppiness gets on my nerves even on Usenet, especially the no -
punctuation and no - capitalization dealie...I mean at least make an
*attempt* fer cryin' out loud.

[I use a lot of the Usenet acronyms but those are fairly well - known and
they save a bit of time...]

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote
>
>> "Litttle Malice" > wrote
>
> <snip>
>
>>> No, they honestly did come about for a reason; long before I
>>> started doing Usenet, mind you. Anyway, what I find far more
>>> irritating is the "how r u" kind of crap. My nieces (all late
>>> teens, early 20's) send text messages like that. Argh...
>>
>> Yeah...kids have somehow gotten the idea that there are situations were
>> you don't have to write intelligibly. Bullshit.
>
> I read somewhere that they are submitting job applications, etc.
> with that annoying crap. It was inevitable. People started doing that
> at work, a couple decades ago, that How R U crap. Not with me
> they didn't. It was annoying then, now it's just old.
>
> nancy

Same idiots who make signs for businesses like this: All Shrub's On Sale
This Week

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:

>> I read somewhere that they are submitting job applications, etc.
>> with that annoying crap. It was inevitable. People started doing that
>> at work, a couple decades ago, that How R U crap. Not with me
>> they didn't. It was annoying then, now it's just old.

> Such sloppiness gets on my nerves even on Usenet, especially the no -
> punctuation and no - capitalization dealie...I mean at least make an
> *attempt* fer cryin' out loud.

Heh, I am well aware I am open for attack if I dare criticize anyone
else's posting style. Mine is not perfect. So not perfect. Still ...
that baby talk style, all I can do is try to ignore it.

nancy

.. My nieces (all late
> teens, early 20's) send text messages like that. Argh...
>
> --
I think that's because it's such a beating to type on a cell phone. At
least, I find it very awkward.

But I don't mind commonly used acronyms like FWIW or BTW or my personal
favorite, WTF.

Larry T

-L.wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > If only it worked. Some slim pe
>
> You've obviously never struggled with weight.
>
> >
> > Yesterday while I was at the Y working out I watch a girl get on the
scale to
> > weigh her self and she had a look of total disgust when she looked down
and read
> > her weight. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I have to confess that
I may
> > have been ogling her because she looked fantastic. She had a very
slender
> > waist, flat belly, nice butt. The only place she looked proportionately
large
> > was her arms, but that was muscle. What ever she was doing to get her
body in
> > shape was certainly working. I don't know why she was so upset. I could
have
> > understood it if she had been looking in the mirror. She was a bit of a
> > butterface.
>
> God you're an asshole.


Better look in a mirror honey, that'd be Y - O - U ...

--
Best
Greg

Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:

>
> > My wife takes the dogs for a long walk first thing every morning. Most
> > of my exercise is aimed at losing weight and getting fit for horse
> > back riding. It is a lot more work than it looks. I used to be
> > exhausted after one lap around the arena in posting. Now I can go
> > around 10-12 times before stopping for an old guy break.
>
> Do you do any jumping? I mean fences on horseback
>

You bet. Lessons are usually about 5 minutes of walking, 15 minutes of
trotting anc circles, then some cantering, then jumping. Last week I spent a
week at a camp where they have trail rides through the woods. One of the
reasons I take lessons is so that I can go on the advance rides, cantering
along the forest trails with jumps. I came back alive.

"-L." wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > If only it worked. Some slim pe
>
> You've obviously never struggled with weight.

Oh? I have struggled with weight all my life. I exercise every day to burn calories
and I have a long way to go before I look anorexic.

>
> > have been ogling her because she looked fantastic. She had a very slender
> > waist, flat belly, nice butt. The only place she looked proportionately large
> > was her arms, but that was muscle. What ever she was doing to get her body in
> > shape was certainly working. I don't know why she was so upset. I could have
> > understood it if she had been looking in the mirror. She was a bit of a
> > butterface.
>
> God you're an asshole.

Yeah, well, screw you too. She had a darned near perfect body but a rather plain face.

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Such sloppiness gets on my nerves even on Usenet, especially the no -
> punctuation and no - capitalization dealie...I mean at least make an
> *attempt* fer cryin' out loud.

It was nice of you to give us an example of sloppy writing :-)

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>
> > I read somewhere that they are submitting job applications, etc.
> > with that annoying crap. It was inevitable. People started doing that
> > at work, a couple decades ago, that How R U crap. Not with me
> > they didn't. It was annoying then, now it's just old.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Same idiots who make signs for businesses like this: All Shrub's On Sale
> This Week

Drive Thru
Lite
Lo Fat

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>>
>> > I read somewhere that they are submitting job applications, etc.
>> > with that annoying crap. It was inevitable. People started doing that
>> > at work, a couple decades ago, that How R U crap. Not with me
>> > they didn't. It was annoying then, now it's just old.
>> >
>> > nancy
>>
>> Same idiots who make signs for businesses like this: All Shrub's On Sale
>> This Week
>
> Drive Thru
> Lite
> Lo Fat

Those are examples of intentional language destruction. The apostrophe thing
is part of an epidemic of stupidity. Last year, I needed a sign made. At the
sign shop, they had a bunch of signs waiting to be picked up by customers.
Several contained hideous grammatical errors. I asked if they were aware of
this. The very stern looking lady said she tells customers when their
desired wording is screwed up, and makes them sign off on the final copy.
Most of the stupidest customers insist on keeping things the way they are.

My son's English teacher would break these peoples' kneecaps if she had the
opportunity.

"Litttle Malice" > wrote in message
...
> One time on Usenet, Craig Welch > said:
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> >>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is not
>> >>> essential for weight loss. I've lost 68 pounds on Weight Watchers
>> >>> without doing one moment of exercise.
>
>> >> Why don't you take any exercise?
>
>> > Simple, really. I don't like exercise nor most activities that "feel"
>> > like
>> > exercise. Never have, never will. :-)
>
>> Then you're digging your own grave ...
>
> Not necessarily. He might be much more active than he realizes. The
> only way to know for sure is to know him in person, IMHO...


I agree. I used to be one of those people everyone envied. I seemed to be
able to eat anything, and not exercise, but still be really slim (it was
medication that caused my weight gain). But I was actually very active, I
don't sit still much, I potter around a lot, and walk a lot, it just wasn't
*obvious* exercise.

Jen

Oh pshaw, on Thu 07 Sep 2006 08:42:33a, Litttle Malice meant to say...

> One time on Usenet, Craig Welch > said:
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> >>> I can't speak about Kirsty, but I'm living proof that exercise is
>> >>> not essential for weight loss. I've lost 68 pounds on Weight
>> >>> Watchers without doing one moment of exercise.
>
>> >> Why don't you take any exercise?
>
>> > Simple, really. I don't like exercise nor most activities that
>> > "feel" like exercise. Never have, never will. :-)
>
>> Then you're digging your own grave ...
>
> Not necessarily. He might be much more active than he realizes. The
> only way to know for sure is to know him in person, IMHO...
>

Well, I like to walk and I usually walk fast, but never just for the sake
of walking. I almost always take the stairs at work, at least a dozen
times a day. That's about the extent of it.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

If you do what you've always done, you'll get what
you've always gotten.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > Such sloppiness gets on my nerves even on Usenet, especially the no -
> > punctuation and no - capitalization dealie...I mean at least make an
> > *attempt* fer cryin' out loud.
>
> It was nice of you to give us an example of sloppy writing :-)
>


"I'm not perfect, but I try..."

;-----)

--
Best
Greg

Dear Andy

I'd say Ms Ally's problem is that she is just losing weight for the ads
(i.e. cash), and that she doesn't really care about weight loss for
herself. Good homemade food- such as is featured on rec.food.cooking ,
and exercise, will stand her in good stead permanently. Someone should
tell her about this Google Group (Usenet for you cynical computer
analysts), and I think she will shred the kilos and stay trim!