I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime the
spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.

While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread machine.
I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to wonder
if I might like having one.

Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread the
traditional way? Any particular recommendations?

Thanks!

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes. Most of
the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough stage. I then
take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape' bread. So, I'll
bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use the bread maker to do
the dough. Great Grandma would never have guessed, but I know she would
have approved.

Lynne
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime the
> spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>
> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
> machine.
> I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to
> wonder
> if I might like having one.
>
> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread
> the
> traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
> __________________________________________________
>
> Recent polls reveal that some people have never
> been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin
>

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...

> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> 28.19...
>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>
>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>
>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?

> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape'
> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>
> Lynne

Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually baking
the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove it before
baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you have? Is the
inner pan dishwasher safe?

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime the
> spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>
> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
machine.
> I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to wonder
> if I might like having one.
>
> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread the
> traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
>

I adore mine and use it often. I make all manner of breads, focaccias,
cinnamon rolls, pizza dough and whatnot in it. I do tend to use it more in the
winter than summer, but then I do tend to have more time to cook in the winter
than summer. I have a Breadman and I love it. I posted about my experiences
previously, the Oster sucked heavy balls, the West Bend rocked my fat little
world.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
I thought I was driving by Gettysburg once but it ends up I was just driving
by your mom's house.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>> 28.19...
>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>
>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>
>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
>> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
>> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
>> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape'
>> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
>> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
>> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>>
>> Lynne
>
> Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually baking
> the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove it before
> baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you have? Is the
> inner pan dishwasher safe?
>

on every bread machine I have had, the pan was not dishwasher safe and in fact
you were advised to never suberge it. The inside of the pans are non-stick and
wash out easily, no problem.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
I thought I was driving by Gettysburg once but it ends up I was just driving
by your mom's house.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:37:40 GMT, "King's Crown" >
wrote:

>I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes. Most of
>the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough stage. I then
>take it out and go from there.

Mostly I love the bread machine for the ease of cleanup. No, that's
not all -- I also love that I haven't had a loaf fail since I started
using it, and I often have failed loaves when I make bread by hand. I
think I'm a bad kneader or something.

Anyway, I really like this machine, and I'm going to keep trying
recipes until I make something with a perfect texture for sandwiches.

serene
--
"I can't decide if I feel more like four ten-year-olds or ten four-year-olds." Laurie Anderson , on turning 40.

http://serenejournal.livejournal.com

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:49:34p, The Bubbo meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> 28.19...
>>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>>
>>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>>
>>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>
>>> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
>>> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
>>> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape'
>>> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
>>> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
>>> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>>>
>>> Lynne
>>
>> Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually
>> baking the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove
>> it before baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you
>> have? Is the inner pan dishwasher safe?
>>
>
> on every bread machine I have had, the pan was not dishwasher safe and
> in fact you were advised to never suberge it. The inside of the pans are
> non-stick and wash out easily, no problem.
>

Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:47:49p, The Bubbo meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>
>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>
>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> I adore mine and use it often. I make all manner of breads, focaccias,
> cinnamon rolls, pizza dough and whatnot in it. I do tend to use it more
> in the winter than summer, but then I do tend to have more time to cook
> in the winter than summer. I have a Breadman and I love it. I posted
> about my experiences previously, the Oster sucked heavy balls, the West
> Bend rocked my fat little world.
>

It's tempting!

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:49:34p, The Bubbo meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...
>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> 28.19...
>>>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>>
>>>> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
>>>> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
>>>> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape'
>>>> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
>>>> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
>>>> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>>>>
>>>> Lynne
>>>
>>> Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually
>>> baking the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove
>>> it before baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you
>>> have? Is the inner pan dishwasher safe?
>>>
>>
>> on every bread machine I have had, the pan was not dishwasher safe and
>> in fact you were advised to never suberge it. The inside of the pans are
>> non-stick and wash out easily, no problem.
>>
>
> Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
> OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.
>

yeah, especially on my breadman, i just wipe it out (making sure to get the
crud under the paddle)

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
I thought I was driving by Gettysburg once but it ends up I was just driving
by your mom's house.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:47:49p, The Bubbo meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>
>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>
>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> I adore mine and use it often. I make all manner of breads, focaccias,
>> cinnamon rolls, pizza dough and whatnot in it. I do tend to use it more
>> in the winter than summer, but then I do tend to have more time to cook
>> in the winter than summer. I have a Breadman and I love it. I posted
>> about my experiences previously, the Oster sucked heavy balls, the West
>> Bend rocked my fat little world.
>>
>
> It's tempting!
>

Do it, join the dark side. Come, take my hand and walk with me through the
shadows of the breadmaker world...

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
I thought I was driving by Gettysburg once but it ends up I was just driving
by your mom's house.

On 25 Sep 2006 03:16:31 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
<wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
>OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.

I've been putting mine in the dishwasher for years. Paddles go in the
silverware basket. Make sure you get one with two paddles. I mostly
just use it for the dough if the kitchen aid is being used.

Lou

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 06:19:49p, The Bubbo meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:47:49p, The Bubbo meant to say...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>>
>>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>>
>>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I adore mine and use it often. I make all manner of breads, focaccias,
>>> cinnamon rolls, pizza dough and whatnot in it. I do tend to use it more
>>> in the winter than summer, but then I do tend to have more time to cook
>>> in the winter than summer. I have a Breadman and I love it. I posted
>>> about my experiences previously, the Oster sucked heavy balls, the West
>>> Bend rocked my fat little world.
>>>
>>
>> It's tempting!
>>
>
> Do it, join the dark side. Come, take my hand and walk with me through
the
> shadows of the breadmaker world...
>

I'm going to give it some thought. I'm sure if I said the word, I'd get
one as a gift. David was hinting.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 06:28:10p, Lou Decruss meant to say...

> On 25 Sep 2006 03:16:31 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
>>OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.
>
> I've been putting mine in the dishwasher for years. Paddles go in the
> silverware basket. Make sure you get one with two paddles. I mostly
> just use it for the dough if the kitchen aid is being used.
>
> Lou
>

What brand do you have?

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Mine is dish washer safe, but it has a stick free surface and I just give it
quick wipe out with some water, a paper towel and stick it back in the
machine for next time. It is a 15 year old Zojirushi.

Most bread machines have a "dough cycle". It's very handy if you don't want
to bake in the machine.

I've baked a loaf in there many times. I have the tall square pan and it
makes perfect sandwich sized slices. Unlike a friend of mine's who's is
round. What were the manufacturers thinking?! She gave it to me years ago
and during the holiday season I use it along with mine to make MORE dough.
Bwah ha ha

Lynne

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>> 28.19...
>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>
>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>
>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
>> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
>> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
>> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape'
>> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
>> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
>> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>>
>> Lynne
>
> Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually baking
> the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove it before
> baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you have? Is the
> inner pan dishwasher safe?
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
> __________________________________________________
>
> Recent polls reveal that some people have never
> been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin
>

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:49:34p, The Bubbo meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...
>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> 28.19...
>>>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>>>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>>
>>>> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
>>>> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
>>>> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of Canape'
>>>> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
>>>> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
>>>> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>>>>
>>>> Lynne
>>>
>>> Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually
>>> baking the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove
>>> it before baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you
>>> have? Is the inner pan dishwasher safe?
>>>
>>
>> on every bread machine I have had, the pan was not dishwasher safe and
>> in fact you were advised to never suberge it. The inside of the pans are
>> non-stick and wash out easily, no problem.
>>
>
> Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
> OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

Mine has been in the dishwasher MANY times and the book never said to do. I
have several Pampered Chef items that I have been warned not to dish wash
even though the paperwork says I can. I find it a challenge. OH YEAH...
let's just see what happens if I put it in the dish washer a few hundred
times! I really do very little hand washing if possible. The bread machine
pan is very easy to wipe out.

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 07:48:53p, King's Crown meant to say...

> Mine is dish washer safe, but it has a stick free surface and I just
> give it quick wipe out with some water, a paper towel and stick it back
> in the machine for next time. It is a 15 year old Zojirushi.
>
> Most bread machines have a "dough cycle". It's very handy if you don't
> want to bake in the machine.
>
> I've baked a loaf in there many times. I have the tall square pan and
> it makes perfect sandwich sized slices. Unlike a friend of mine's who's
> is round. What were the manufacturers thinking?! She gave it to me
> years ago and during the holiday season I use it along with mine to make
> MORE dough. Bwah ha ha
>
> Lynne

Thanks, Lynne. Good to know.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime the
> spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>
> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread machine.
> I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to wonder
> if I might like having one.
>
> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread the
> traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
>


Wayne:

Go to http://www.epinions.com and enter <bread machine> in the
search window.

gloria p

Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 07:58:26p, Puester meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>
>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>
>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>
> Wayne:
>
> Go to http://www.epinions.com and enter <bread machine> in the
> search window.
>
> gloria p
>

Thanks, Gloria. I'll do that.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Recent polls reveal that some people have never
been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin

Oh pshaw, on Mon 25 Sep 2006 08:05:06a, L, not -L meant to say...

>
> On 24-Sep-2006, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> I have a Breadman that the mother of my children gave me for Christmas
> in 1993; I used it about 3 times per week for several years, making
> bread for family and co-workers. After a divorce reduced the household
> from 4 to 2, I baked a bit less, maybe a couple of times per week for
> another few years. Now, with children grown and on their own, I rarely
> use it for completely making a loaf; however, I still use it at least
> once per week for mixing and kneading sourdough bread, which I then
> shape and oven-bake.
>
> There is one caveat that applies to all bread machines; if you think you
> can simply dump the ingredients in and walk away, you probably won't be
> happy with a bread machine. That is most likely the number one reason
> so many are available at yard sales. However, if you are used to making
> bread and know how dough should look and feel, you'll probably like it
> fine. I bought the Rehberg and Conway Bread Machine Magic books and
> learned everything I needed to know. Based upon your posts here, I
> doubt you are interested in dump-and-run baking<smile>
>
> I have never made bread by hand kneading; but, I have a Kitchenaid and
> have on occasion used it to make bread. The trouble with the KA is, it
> seems best suited to, and recipes generally make, two loaves. I rarely
> need more than one loaf per week, and when I need more, they are
> generally quite different (sourdough for me, sweet oatmeal for daughter
> and mother, buttermilk for son, etc). The Breadman produces great
> results, filling the same role as the KA, but for single loaf needs.
>
> The Breadman has been an outstanding appliance and made many a terrific
> loaf. I would recommend similar to anyone; of course I can't speak to
> quality of new ones; but my 13 year old machine has been great. I did
> have to replace the pan a few years ago, due to a binding shaft, and
> that wasn't cheap; other than that, it has worked flawlessly. I bought
> a second one at a yard sale about three years ago, thinking that my
> workhorse was getting pretty old and probably wouldn't last much longer;
> 3 years, 100+ loaves later it is still performing well and the second
> sits in the pantry, waiting for its time to serve.
>
> I suggest start with a simple bread machine, programmable for the types
> of bread you are likely to bake; too many ABMs now want to replace all
> your appliances - "The amazing Bread-0 makes jam, bakes cakes, cooks
> soup, ad nauseam".

Thanks, L, for all the information. It's helpful knowledge to my decision
making process. I do have a KitchenAid K5 and 2 food processors, all of
which I use for bread-making at various times. I also make some breads
entirely by hand. Im beginning to think that it might be "fun" to have a
bread machine, but not at all necessary to my routine. Still, it's nice to
have some things in the kitchen that are just fun to use.

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

I like my Oster. The worst part is that the agitator (paddle) leaves a
hole in the loaf so that about a fourth or fifth of the slices have a
hole in them.

Are there any breadmakers with a retractable paddle?

A bread maker is a lot like a top-loading automatic washing machine. It
goes through a cycle, is partly programmable, and reduces the amount of
attention you have to give to the job. It has a rotating agitator. It
sounds a little like a washing machine.

You will still have to give twenty minutes or so per loaf for measuring,
cooling, slicing, and packaging.

Since it's a lot easier than hand-making the bread, you may start making
all your bread. If you do, don't reuse the storage bags, because mold
grows in the bags and makes the bread get moldy sooner.

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime the
> spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>
> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
> machine.
> I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to
> wonder
> if I might like having one.
>
> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread
> the
> traditional way? Any particular recommendations?

Wayne, I LOVE my bread machine -- it's the next greatest thing to sliced
bread :-) I'm on my lunch break at work right now, and I don't remember the
model. My mom bought it, and when she never used it, she gave it to me. I
use it at least once a week, usually twice. Mine is a cheapie, and I've
heard others whose opinions I respect recommend Zojirushi which is (or was)
top of the line. Having said that, mine WAS cheap and is going strong.

You are going to LOVE it!

TammyM

Oh pshaw, on Mon 25 Sep 2006 09:47:08a, Matt meant to say...

> A bread maker is a lot like a top-loading automatic washing machine. It
> goes through a cycle, is partly programmable, and reduces the amount of
> attention you have to give to the job. It has a rotating agitator. It
> sounds a little like a washing machine.
>
> You will still have to give twenty minutes or so per loaf for measuring,
> cooling, slicing, and packaging.
>
> Since it's a lot easier than hand-making the bread, you may start making
> all your bread. If you do, don't reuse the storage bags, because mold
> grows in the bags and makes the bread get moldy sooner.
>

Thanks, Matt. Helpful notes!

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

Oh pshaw, on Mon 25 Sep 2006 12:03:44p, TammyM meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> 28.19...
>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>
>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>
>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> Wayne, I LOVE my bread machine -- it's the next greatest thing to
> sliced bread :-) I'm on my lunch break at work right now, and I don't
> remember the model. My mom bought it, and when she never used it, she
> gave it to me. I use it at least once a week, usually twice. Mine is a
> cheapie, and I've heard others whose opinions I respect recommend
> Zojirushi which is (or was) top of the line. Having said that, mine WAS
> cheap and is going strong.
>
> You are going to LOVE it!
>
> TammyM
>
>

Thanks, Tammy! I'm still "teetering" about having one, but I'm thinking
even if I still follow my usual methods most of the time, it might be fun
to have the machine to experiment with.

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

I agree with the rest of the group, I love my machine. Not only for bread,
but for mixing up any dough that I want. I do bake the bread in the machine
when I am rushed, but I prefer to take it to the dough stage, then bake it
in my oven. I also have a wonderful roll recipe that I take to the dough
stage in the machine. It makes the whole process so much easier.

Debbie in Indiana


"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime the
> spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>
> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
> machine.
> I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to
> wonder
> if I might like having one.
>
> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread
> the
> traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
> __________________________________________________
>
> Recent polls reveal that some people have never
> been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin
>

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but anytime
> the
> spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>
> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
> machine.
> I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm beginning to
> wonder
> if I might like having one.
>
> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make bread
> the
> traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
> __________________________________________________
>
> Recent polls reveal that some people have never
> been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin
>
I love my bread machine. I have 2 of them. One I keep in my RV.

Mine is a Philips and it is not just a bread machine but a toaster and an
oven. I never use the toaster feature but it broils great and the oven
works better than most toaster ovens. It's super in the rv because I use
it outside and don't heat up the RV.



--
My Word
in
FERGUS/HARLINGEN
http://www.mompeagram.homestead.com/index.html

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:49:34p, The Bubbo meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 05:37:40p, King's Crown meant to say...
>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> 28.19...
>>>>> I've been making bread for years, not on a regular basis, but
>>>>> anytime
>>>>> the spirit moved me. I enjoy the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> While out shopping today, David asked me if I'd like to have a bread
>>>>> machine. I've never thought so, and said that I didn't. Now I'm
>>>>> beginning to wonder if I might like having one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of those of you who do have one, do you like it? Do you also make
>>>>> bread the traditional way? Any particular recommendations?
>>>
>>>> I love my bread machine. I do still do it traditionally sometimes.
>>>> Most of the time I use my bread machine to get the bread to the dough
>>>> stage. I then take it out and go from there. I make a lot of
>>>> Canape'
>>>> bread. So, I'll bake using the tubes. I make my own rolls and I use
>>>> the bread maker to do the dough. Great Grandma would never have
>>>> guessed, but I know she would have approved.
>>>>
>>>> Lynne
>>>
>>> Thanks, Lynne. That's the part I really wondered about...actually
>>> baking the loaf in the machine. I think I might be inclined to remove
>>> it before baking, then shaping and baking myself. What kind do you
>>> have? Is the inner pan dishwasher safe?
>>>
>>
>> on every bread machine I have had, the pan was not dishwasher safe and
>> in fact you were advised to never suberge it. The inside of the pans
>> are
>> non-stick and wash out easily, no problem.
>>
>
> Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
> OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
> __________________________________________________
>
> Recent polls reveal that some people have never
> been polled. Until recently. --George Carlin
>

I can't tell about all but my pan is nonstick and I don't even wash it.
The bits of dough just dry and I brush it out when they are.



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in
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In article > ,
"L, not -L" > wrote:

> I have never made bread by hand kneading; but, I have a Kitchenaid and have
> on occasion used it to make bread. The trouble with the KA is, it seems
> best suited to, and recipes generally make, two loaves. I rarely need more
> than one loaf per week,

Try it in a food processor.
Cuisinart's recipe:
1 pkg (1/4 oz, 7g) dry yeast
1/3 cup warm water
1 tbsp sugar
5 c (25 oz, 710g) white flour, preferably bread, or unbleached, or a
mixture of both
1/2 stick (4 tbsp, 2 oz, 55g) unsalted butter at room temp, cut into 4
pieces
1-1/2 tsp salt
1-1/3 c (320ml) ice water

Stir the yeast the sugar into the warm water in a 1-quart measure and
let stand for 5-10 minutes. Use the dough blade to process the flour,
butter, and salt for 20 seconds. Add the ice water to the yeast mixture.

With the machine running, pour liquid through feed tube in a steady
stream as fast as flour mixture absorbs it ((should take about 35
seconds). Continue processing until dough starts to clean the inside of
the work bowl, then let machine run for 60 seconds to knead the dough.

Shape dough into a smooth ball. Place in a lightly floured large
plastic storage bag. squeeze out air and close end with a wire twist,
allowing space for the dough to rise. Let rise in a warm place until
dough has doubled, about 1 to 1-1/2 hours.

Remove wire twist and punch dough down in bag. Shape into 2 loaves and
place each in a greased 6-cup loaf pan. Cover with oiled plastic wrap
and let rise in a warm place until dough rises just above top of pans,
and 45 minutes.

Bake on middle rack in a preheated 375° oven for 35-40 minutes. Remove
from pans and cool on wire racks.

Makes two loaves.

Halve the recipe. One and one-fourth tsp dry yeast should do it.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller
http://jamlady.eboard.com

In article et>,
"King's Crown" > wrote:

> I have the tall square pan and it makes perfect sandwich sized
> slices. Unlike a friend of mine's who's is round. What were the
> manufacturers thinking?!

Oscar Mayer bologna.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller
http://jamlady.eboard.com

On 25 Sep 2006 03:45:49 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
<wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>Oh pshaw, on Sun 24 Sep 2006 06:28:10p, Lou Decruss meant to say...
>
>> On 25 Sep 2006 03:16:31 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
>> <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Drat! I try to never buy anything I can't throw in the dishwasher. :-(
>>>OTOH, I guess this pan wouldn't take much than wiping out.
>>
>> I've been putting mine in the dishwasher for years. Paddles go in the
>> silverware basket. Make sure you get one with two paddles. I mostly
>> just use it for the dough if the kitchen aid is being used.
>>
>> Lou
>>
>
>What brand do you have?

Sorry it took so long. It was packed for our move. It's an Admiral.
Not sure if it's still made. I got it years ago when Montgomery Wards
went out of business.

In article > , "L, not -L" > wrote:
>
>On 24-Sep-2006, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>There is one caveat that applies to all bread machines; if you think you can
>simply dump the ingredients in and walk away, you probably won't be happy
>with a bread machine.

Could you possibly elaborate on this? What else can one do but "dump the
ingredients and walk away"???

To answer the original question: I personally have an old Zoji, and don't use
it as much in recent years as when it was newer. I tend not to have the
correct set of ingredients (such as buttermilk in one nice recipe that came
with the unit) when the whim strikes to make a loaf. But I've had no
complaints with the machine - it does what it's supposed to without
difficulty.

Art

Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> In article > , "L, not -L" > wrote:
>> On 24-Sep-2006, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is one caveat that applies to all bread machines; if you think you can
>> simply dump the ingredients in and walk away, you probably won't be happy
>> with a bread machine.
>
> Could you possibly elaborate on this? What else can one do but "dump the
> ingredients and walk away"???

Maybe he means you have to check the dough consistency and maybe add
flour or water to get it right. If you use a familiar recipe and
measure precisely, you won't need to check the dough.

Anyway, you can peek at the dough after you put away the ingredients,
wipe the counter, and wash the measuring utensils.

"Matt" > wrote in message
...
> Arthur Shapiro wrote:
>> In article > , "L, not -L"
>> > wrote:
>>> On 24-Sep-2006, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is one caveat that applies to all bread machines; if you think you
>>> can
>>> simply dump the ingredients in and walk away, you probably won't be
>>> happy
>>> with a bread machine.
>>
>> Could you possibly elaborate on this? What else can one do but "dump the
>> ingredients and walk away"???
>
> Maybe he means you have to check the dough consistency and maybe add
> flour or water to get it right. If you use a familiar recipe and
> measure precisely, you won't need to check the dough.
>
> Anyway, you can peek at the dough after you put away the ingredients,
> wipe the counter, and wash the measuring utensils.

That hasn't been my experience. I check the consistency of the dough every
time I make a loaf. No matter how carefully I measure (and I go by weight,
not volume, having converted all of my recipes to that method), there always
seems to be a slight adjustment needed. I do not ever open the machine once
the kneading cycle has ended. If I must take a peek (and I usually want
to!), I shine a light through the little window on top of the machine.

TammyM

TammyM wrote:
> "Matt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> >> In article > , "L, not -L"
> >> > wrote:
> >>> On 24-Sep-2006, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> There is one caveat that applies to all bread machines; if you think you
> >>> can
> >>> simply dump the ingredients in and walk away, you probably won't be
> >>> happy
> >>> with a bread machine.
> >>
> >> Could you possibly elaborate on this? What else can one do but "dump the
> >> ingredients and walk away"???
> >
> > Maybe he means you have to check the dough consistency and maybe add
> > flour or water to get it right. If you use a familiar recipe and
> > measure precisely, you won't need to check the dough.
> >
> > Anyway, you can peek at the dough after you put away the ingredients,
> > wipe the counter, and wash the measuring utensils.
>
> That hasn't been my experience. I check the consistency of the dough every
> time I make a loaf. No matter how carefully I measure (and I go by weight,
> not volume, having converted all of my recipes to that method), there always
> seems to be a slight adjustment needed. [snip]

I think that's good practice. Learned it from the first Bread Machine
Magic book and followed it ever since. You very quickly find out what
the right consistency is, whether it needs just a little bit of flour
or just a sprinkle of water, and those small adjustments can make a big
difference in the finished product. Exception: I didn't get up in the
middle of the night to check on the raisin cinnamon bread that was
timed to be ready for breakfast. -aem

TammyM wrote:
> "Matt" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Arthur Shapiro wrote:
>>> In article > , "L, not -L"
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On 24-Sep-2006, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There is one caveat that applies to all bread machines; if you think you
>>>> can
>>>> simply dump the ingredients in and walk away, you probably won't be
>>>> happy
>>>> with a bread machine.
>>> Could you possibly elaborate on this? What else can one do but "dump the
>>> ingredients and walk away"???
>> Maybe he means you have to check the dough consistency and maybe add
>> flour or water to get it right. If you use a familiar recipe and
>> measure precisely, you won't need to check the dough.
>>
>> Anyway, you can peek at the dough after you put away the ingredients,
>> wipe the counter, and wash the measuring utensils.
>
> That hasn't been my experience. I check the consistency of the dough every
> time I make a loaf. No matter how carefully I measure (and I go by weight,
> not volume, having converted all of my recipes to that method),

Hmmm ... how precise is your scale? Is it digital? How many digits do
you see when you weigh three or four cups of flour?

Are you measuring water by weight too?

> there always
> seems to be a slight adjustment needed.

Do you more often add flour or water?

> I do not ever open the machine once
> the kneading cycle has ended. If I must take a peek (and I usually want
> to!), I shine a light through the little window on top of the machine.
>
> TammyM

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:20:04 GMT, Matt >
wrote:

>TammyM wrote:
>> That hasn't been my experience. I check the consistency of the dough every
>> time I make a loaf. No matter how carefully I measure (and I go by weight,
>> not volume, having converted all of my recipes to that method),
>
>Hmmm ... how precise is your scale? Is it digital? How many digits do
>you see when you weigh three or four cups of flour?

It measures to the quarter of an ounce (it also has a metric
function). I suspect that more expensive scales measure even more
accurately. For my purposes, this one works fine.

>Are you measuring water by weight too?

I haven't done that, I just use the good old Pyrex measuring cup.
It's a good idea though.

>
>> there always
>> seems to be a slight adjustment needed.
>
>Do you more often add flour or water?

For me, it's six of one -- meaning sometimes water, sometimes flour.
The recipes I use most often do not require any adjustments as I've
already noted those adjustments on the recipe, and frankly, I kind of
go on autopilot when I use them!

TammyM

TammyM wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:20:04 GMT, Matt >
> wrote:
>
>> TammyM wrote:
>>> That hasn't been my experience. I check the consistency of the dough every
>>> time I make a loaf. No matter how carefully I measure (and I go by weight,
>>> not volume, having converted all of my recipes to that method),
>> Hmmm ... how precise is your scale? Is it digital? How many digits do
>> you see when you weigh three or four cups of flour?
>
> It measures to the quarter of an ounce (it also has a metric
> function). I suspect that more expensive scales measure even more
> accurately.

A quarter ounce (by weight) of flour is going to take up about a half
ounce by volume. If you weigh four cups of flour at once, that's a 1/64
error. If you use two kinds of flour measured separately, that's a 1/32
error. I think you can do better measuring by volume.

> For my purposes, this one works fine.
>
>> Are you measuring water by weight too?
>
> I haven't done that, I just use the good old Pyrex measuring cup.
> It's a good idea though.A

You will do better with the measuring cup if you do it the same way each
time.

I have a 2-cup Fire King measuring cup with markings on two sides. When
I fill it to the top mark on one side, I still need to add a tablespoon
to bring the level to the top mark on the other side. That is a 1/64 error.

>
>>> there always
>>> seems to be a slight adjustment needed.
>> Do you more often add flour or water?
>
> For me, it's six of one -- meaning sometimes water, sometimes flour.
> The recipes I use most often do not require any adjustments as I've
> already noted those adjustments on the recipe, and frankly, I kind of
> go on autopilot when I use them!
>
> TammyM

No reason somebody can't measure it close enough every time, once the
recipe is worked out, so that the dough doesn't need to be checked.

Following up to my own post... There have been so many great responses to my
question, that I want to thank each of you. It's been very helpful to read
all your comments. I think I've decided to buy a machine *after* we move. I
doubt I'd really use it before then.

Thanks again!

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Cats don't correct your stories.

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:24:55 GMT, Matt >
wrote:

>TammyM wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:20:04 GMT, Matt >
>> wrote:

>> It measures to the quarter of an ounce (it also has a metric
>> function). I suspect that more expensive scales measure even more
>> accurately.

Matt responded:
>A quarter ounce (by weight) of flour is going to take up about a half
>ounce by volume. If you weigh four cups of flour at once, that's a 1/64
>error. If you use two kinds of flour measured separately, that's a 1/32
>error. I think you can do better measuring by volume.

<snip>

Okey dokey, you do it your way, I'll do it mine :-) I've used both
methods and found the one I prefer which is measuring by weight.

TammyM

TammyM wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:24:55 GMT, Matt >
> wrote:
>
>> TammyM wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:20:04 GMT, Matt >
>>> wrote:
>
>>> It measures to the quarter of an ounce (it also has a metric
>>> function). I suspect that more expensive scales measure even more
>>> accurately.
>
> Matt responded:
>> A quarter ounce (by weight) of flour is going to take up about a half
>> ounce by volume. If you weigh four cups of flour at once, that's a 1/64
>> error. If you use two kinds of flour measured separately, that's a 1/32
>> error. I think you can do better measuring by volume.
>
> <snip>
>
> Okey dokey, you do it your way, I'll do it mine :-) I've used both
> methods and found the one I prefer which is measuring by weight.
>
> TammyM

Okey doke, and you be sure to check your dough each time. :-)