I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
Maybe it's just not made??

I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!

But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.

I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.

Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.

So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)

I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)

Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
over fireplaces!!

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!!
>

Grilling is pretty messy in terms of vaporized grease & meat juice that
lands everywhere. Is your apartment in a city, or is it suburban, with some
common grass area outside? Any chance of using a very small gas grill out
there?

I just thought I'd point out that in many cities it's against the law or zoning
regulations to even store a gas cylinder in an apartment, let alone use it. In
many places, this applies to balconies as well.

So you might be risking having your lease terminated if you decide on propane or
LG.

In some cities, this applies to charcoal fires as well.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:
> I just thought I'd point out that in many cities it's against the law or zoning
> regulations to even store a gas cylinder in an apartment, let alone use it. In
> many places, this applies to balconies as well.
>
> So you might be risking having your lease terminated if you decide on propane or
> LG.
>
> In some cities, this applies to charcoal fires as well.
>
> -- Larry


Indeed. That's why I was wondering why we can send a man to the moon
but can't properly grill steaks indoors without propane gas. Is there
some Law of Thermodynamics by which I must go to a restaurant for a
real steak??

In article .com>,
wrote:


> Indeed. That's why I was wondering why we can send a man to the moon
> but can't properly grill steaks indoors without propane gas.

Just buy yourself a house with a big lot. I guarantee you that you can
buy a hundred of these for a small fraction of the cost of sending a man
to the moon.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

On 6 Oct 2006 13:06:36 -0700, wrote:

snipped

"Is there some Law of Thermodynamics by which I must go to a
restaurant"

No but there is the Law of Supply and Demand. They Supply and Demand
that you come there to get it. 2 or 3 years ago, our little town
banned the use of LP grills any where on your property. That included
grilling in apartments. You can still use a charco or one of those old
1950ish style cinder/stone types if it is a minimum 50 feet from the
nearest occupied dwelling.

wrote:

> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less!

Ya know, there're just some things that are meant to be done outside. :-)

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

wrote:
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!


Theres a pretty good reason why you aren't finding anything. Grilling is
messy and smoky and unless you have an appropriate area with super good
appropriate venting it is best done outside.

>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!!
>

> wrote:
>I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
>But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
>temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
>things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
>or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
>I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
>I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
>just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
>some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.

The butane-powered grills you find at Asian grocery stores work fine.
We make Shanghai Hot Pot on them all the time. Apparently, they're
officially known as "camp" stoves, "for use outdoors". Bah.

The adiabatic expansion of the butane as it leaves the pressurized
cannister (a dollar or two a can; each can lasts half an hour to an hour,
depending on how hot you're cooking) cools the can down, so when you
take the can out, it's like 35-40 degrees F. The entire bottom part
of the stove is similarly cool. Totally safe indoors, as long as your
ventilation is sufficient.

If you can't find any locally, search for "butane portable stove" on
froogle or something. You should be able to get one for $20 or less,
shipped. Sporting goods stores should have the fuel (liquefied butane
cannisters), if you can't find them at Asian supermarkets or restaurant
supply stores.

Donald

Donald Tsang wrote:

> The butane-powered grills you find at Asian grocery stores work fine.
> We make Shanghai Hot Pot on them all the time. Apparently, they're
> officially known as "camp" stoves, "for use outdoors". Bah.

And people wonder why manufacturers have to put warning stickers on products
that say things like: "Preperation H is for external use only".

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:27:45 -0700, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote:

>Donald Tsang wrote:
>
>> The butane-powered grills you find at Asian grocery stores work fine.
>> We make Shanghai Hot Pot on them all the time. Apparently, they're
>> officially known as "camp" stoves, "for use outdoors". Bah.
>
>And people wonder why manufacturers have to put warning stickers on products
>that say things like: "Preperation H is for external use only".

For all the good those suppositories did me, I met as well have stuck
them up my ass.




Been waiting years for an opportunity to use that.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

LRod <duckecho@gmail-dot-com> wrote:
>>And people wonder why manufacturers have to put warning stickers on products
>>that say things like: "Preperation H is for external use only".
>
>For all the good those suppositories did me, I met as well have stuck
>them up my ass.
>
>Been waiting years for an opportunity to use that.

Next time, take a second to proofread!

--
Steven O'Neill
Brooklyn, NY

"Steven M. O'Neill" > wrote in message
...
> LRod <duckecho@gmail-dot-com> wrote:
> >>And people wonder why manufacturers have to put warning stickers on
products
> >>that say things like: "Preperation H is for external use only".
> >
> >For all the good those suppositories did me, I met as well have stuck
> >them up my ass.
> >
> >Been waiting years for an opportunity to use that.
>
> Next time, take a second to proofread!
>
> --
> Steven O'Neill
> Brooklyn, NY

"ALL WATCHED OVER BY MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE"

I don't think that jokes a question of proofreading, it's predicated on the
failure to understanding the meaning of one word.
Speaking of pill popping whacks!
Richard Brautigan wrote:
"Every time I see you take the pill, I'm reminded of the Spring Hill Mine
collapse and all the people that have died inside of you."
If you read "The Pill Versus The Springhill Mine Disaster" you'll not find
that quote, it's in one of his other books.

"KARMA REPAIR KIT: ITEMS 1-4
1. Get enough food to eat,
And eat it.

2. Find a place to sleep where it is quiet,
and sleep there.

3. Reduce intellectual and emotional noise
until you arrive at the silence of yourself,
and listen to it.

4."

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC), (Steven M.
O'Neill) wrote:

>LRod <duckecho@gmail-dot-com> wrote:
>>>And people wonder why manufacturers have to put warning stickers on products
>>>that say things like: "Preperation H is for external use only".
>>
>>For all the good those suppositories did me, I met as well have stuck
>>them up my ass.
>>
>>Been waiting years for an opportunity to use that.
>
>Next time, take a second to proofread!

Well, I've taken several minutes pondering your statement, and I've
yet to figure out what I missed. The party to whom I was responding
made a comment about Preparation H, a topical treatment for
hemerrhoids (what ever happened to Preparation A through G, by the
way?).

Now, the comment he made was in the context of the ointment version of
the product, with the implication of external application, but it also
comes in suppositories. I don't know if I need to explain that or not
(and as a matter of fact, the ointment can be applied internally with
the use of an applicator).

Now perhaps I should have included the setup to the punchline which
involves a dull-witted patient complaining of lack of effect with the
product he had been taking orally.

Spelling seems all okay, as does punctuation. I can't even conjure
much of a link between my first statement and my second. Beyond that,
I'm lost. Someone's going to have to explain it to me.

Meanwhile, I'm still laughing.


--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

wrote:
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??

Don't forget to include in your research the hazards of using gas or
charcoal grills indoors. Include "carbon monoxide poisoning" in your
search. People die every winter from using gas and charcoal indoors
with too little ventilation. The "industrial strength fan" you mention
may or may not be enough.
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
I'd go for the pan broiling technique instead. Use a cast iron
skillet, or better yet get one of those cast iron skillets with ridges.
Get it quite hot, sear the steak for a minute or two on each side
until it takes on a nice dark color, then turn the heat way down and
let it finish cooking. Remove the steak(s) to a plate and make a fast
pan sauce: turn the heat back up, toss in some minced shallots,
deglaze with a splash of wine (or vermouth or madeira or whisky) or
stock, finish with a good chunk of cold butter stirred in. This is so
good I do it even in the summertime as a change from the outdoor grill.
-aem

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, wrote:

> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)

I have a Burton portable butane burner, and have used it inside to make
coffee when the electricity goes off. They claim it's safe to use inside.

http://www.thewhitewhale.com/burton.htm

Jeneen

wrote:
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.

It wouldn't be anything I'd do, but if you're set on it, go to a
WalMart or such and buy a camping stove - a Coleman 2-burner should do
the trick.

N.

Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use an
exhaust fan.

wrote:
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!!
>

"Glenn" > wrote in message
om...
> Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
> dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use an
> exhaust fan.

Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called "exhaust
fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back into the room.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "Glenn" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
> > dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use an
> > exhaust fan.
>
> Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called
"exhaust
> fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back into the
room.
>
>
For an exhaust fan to work properly you have to crack open a window. It's
that simple.

"Muddle" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Glenn" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> > Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
>> > dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use
>> > an
>> > exhaust fan.
>>
>> Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called
> "exhaust
>> fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back into the
> room.
>>
>>
> For an exhaust fan to work properly you have to crack open a window. It's
> that simple.
>
>

I'm talking about the typical range hoods you see in so many kitchens. They
take smoke or steam from the stove and do nothing but shoot it over your
head back into the room. Useless. Opening a window will do nothing.

"Muddle" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Glenn" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> > Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
>> > dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use
>> > an
>> > exhaust fan.
>>
>> Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called
> "exhaust
>> fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back into the
> room.
>>
>>
> For an exhaust fan to work properly you have to crack open a window. It's
> that simple.

DH says we must always crack a window to replace the air that is rushing
out; otherwise the air replacement will come through cracks in the walls,
outlets, etc. I'd rather have outdoor air coming in than through cracks,
perhaps making larger cracks, etc.

Frankly I don't like all that cold air gushing into the house, which the
furnace has to heat, but I guess it's better than having moist air flowing
up the cabinets.

Installing Allure III - finally -- tomorrow, I hope.
Dee

Dee

Oh pshaw, on Mon 27 Nov 2006 10:11:53p, Dee Randall meant to say...

>
> "Muddle" > wrote in message
> et...
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Glenn" > wrote in message
>>> om...
>>> > Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is
extremely
>>> > dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use
>>> > an exhaust fan.
>>>
>>> Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called
>>> "exhaust fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back
>>> into the room.
>>>
>>>
>> For an exhaust fan to work properly you have to crack open a window.
It's
>> that simple.
>
> DH says we must always crack a window to replace the air that is rushing
> out; otherwise the air replacement will come through cracks in the walls,
> outlets, etc. I'd rather have outdoor air coming in than through cracks,
> perhaps making larger cracks, etc.
>
> Frankly I don't like all that cold air gushing into the house, which the
> furnace has to heat, but I guess it's better than having moist air
flowing
> up the cabinets.
>
> Installing Allure III - finally -- tomorrow, I hope.
> Dee
>
> Dee

Nice hood, Dee!


--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Sorry -- I was just a mean fetus.

On 4-Oct-2006, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Glenn" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
> > dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use an
> >
> > exhaust fan.
>
> Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called
> "exhaust
> fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back into the
> room.

"Most" might be the operative word, but mine, at least, is vented through
the roof. Indoor grilling on a castiron grill pan over a strong gas burner
works pretty well. But it produces a lot of smoke and other airborne
polutants. I do it anyway as I usually cook only a single steak. It doesn't
take long and avoids the aggravating startup of my outdoor charcoal grill.

--
Brick(Youth is wasted on young people)

> wrote in message
.. .
>
> On 4-Oct-2006, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Glenn" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> > Cooking indoors with gas or fire (except with a fireplace) is extremely
>> > dangerous and can kill you. On gas stoves they recommend that you use
>> > an
>> >
>> > exhaust fan.
>>
>> Regular gas stoves? That's some recommendation, since the so-called
>> "exhaust
>> fan" in most homes does nothing but hoist the air right back into the
>> room.
>
> "Most" might be the operative word, but mine, at least, is vented through
> the roof. Indoor grilling on a castiron grill pan over a strong gas burner
> works pretty well. But it produces a lot of smoke and other airborne
> polutants. I do it anyway as I usually cook only a single steak. It
> doesn't
> take long and avoids the aggravating startup of my outdoor charcoal grill.

Outdoor grill: Aggravating because of the wait, or difficulty starting the
coals? If the latter, have you tried a chimney starter? $11.00 from Weber,
works like magic. Still a 30 minute wait, but no screwing around with fluid
or strange electric gadgets.

wrote:
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.

Nope, NO company is stupid enough to tell you to use a grill indoors
(unless you spend BIG money and have something like a professional
cooktop grill installed with it's vent hood and extinguisher system)


>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.

Then learn how the broiler in the oven works.

>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)

And find a new place to live. The fumes/smoke alone will be enough to
trip the smoke alarms.

>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!!
>


--
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"Steve W." > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
>> Maybe it's just not made??
>>
>> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>>
>> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
>> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
>> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
>> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
>> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
They have them in the cafeteria at work and use them 2-3 times a week.
Portable single-burner gas powered cooktops, big enough for a 12" skillet.
Fuels is butane bottles the size of big spray cans. Probably absurdly
expensive to buy and keep fueled, but I'm sure any restraunt supply has them
or can get them. They do tend to stink up the place, however, even with
window cracked and ceiling exhaust fans going.

Check behind your stove, and see if maybe there is an abandoned gas valve
there. Used gas stoves are dirt cheap.

aems ends....

no brainier...long ago while in college, trying to impress the coed while
snow was on the ground....a hibachi cooking streaks in the fireplace ....now
days the coed my wife, we cook steaks over oak logs with the heavy cast iron
grate from the smoker.....




> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!!
>

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
....snip....
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>

I once used a charcoal grill indoors. It was a nice litle cast iron job that
had a good heat and was small enough to start outside and carry in once it
was going. I put it on the stove so I could use the rangehood to exhaust
the fumes, smoke etc, outside the house. It worked really well and I was
just taking the steaks off and serving when the inards of the ranghood
collapsed over everything. The fibre filter was held in place inside the SS
mesh cover by these stiff plastc struts. The excess heat had softened them
and they dumped the lot.

David

wrote:
> []
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>[ . . . ]
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)

http://www.amazon.com/Hibachi/dp/B0000SW0UU

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> wrote:
>
>I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
>But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
>temperatures.

Any electric element that can glow red is doing well
in excess of 1000 degrees.

Get a cast-iron grill pan, preheat it well, and start
the steak from room temperature.

After a few steaks you'll have adjusted the times
and temperatures to your liking.

--Blair

> Get a cast-iron grill pan, preheat it well, and start
> the steak from room temperature.
> > After a few steaks you'll have adjusted the times
> and temperatures to your liking.> > -Blair

this is the most direct answer for a simple question
;-)

wrote:

> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!

===
Go to this web site, Camping World. They cater to the recreational vehicle
folks (RV for short) and have all kinds of small table top grills.
http://www.campingworld.com/index.cfm

Ray
Austin, TX
===

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:27:40 GMT, "Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman"
> wrote:

>Go to this web site, Camping World. They cater to the recreational vehicle
>folks (RV for short) and have all kinds of small table top grills.
>http://www.campingworld.com/index.cfm

There's a reason grills on that site are listed under "Outside Your
RV."

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> Maybe it's just not made??
>
> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>
> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>
> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>
> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> over fireplaces!!
>
As Alton Brown on one of his shows once said: "A broiler is nothing more
than an upside down grill."
The only thing you won't get is a crosshatch pattern on the meat. If you'd
like a crosshatch pattern burnt into your steak, go purchase a hunk of steel
diamond grate and heat it in the broiler as the broiler heats up. A steel
diamond grate has a pattern similar to a chain link fence. Why grill
manufacturers don't use a diamond pattern for their grill grates is beyond
me. Everybody wants that diamond pattern on grilled meat, then they have to
turn the steaks and cook them to long on each side to get it.
Place your meat on the broiler pan and place the hot diamond grate on top.
When you flip the meat, flip the grate. The result is a steak that appears
to have been grilled outdoors.

"Muddle" > wrote in message
et...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
>> Maybe it's just not made??
>>
>> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>>
>> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
>> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
>> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
>> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
>> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>>
>> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
>> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
>> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>>
>> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
>> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
>> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>>
>> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
>> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
>> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>>
>> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
>> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
>> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
>> over fireplaces!!
>>
> As Alton Brown on one of his shows once said: "A broiler is nothing more
> than an upside down grill."
> The only thing you won't get is a crosshatch pattern on the meat. If
> you'd
> like a crosshatch pattern burnt into your steak, go purchase a hunk of
> steel
> diamond grate and heat it in the broiler as the broiler heats up. A steel
> diamond grate has a pattern similar to a chain link fence. Why grill
> manufacturers don't use a diamond pattern for their grill grates is beyond
> me. Everybody wants that diamond pattern on grilled meat, then they have
> to
> turn the steaks and cook them to long on each side to get it.
> Place your meat on the broiler pan and place the hot diamond grate on top.
> When you flip the meat, flip the grate. The result is a steak that
> appears
> to have been grilled outdoors.


I've got one of these, which works nicely for the diamond pattern:
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=13844518

I only used it that way once because of the spattered grease, but it DOES
work, and it's a nice solid product. The other side's flat, for pancakes.
And, it's perfect for defrosting frozen food. Remember the TV ads for the
"miracle aluminum thing that defrosts food in no time at all"? That was just
a useless hunk of aluminum. This is a hunk with more than one purpose.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "Muddle" > wrote in message
> et...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >>
> >> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
> >> Maybe it's just not made??
> >>
> >> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
> >>
> >> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
> >> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
> >> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the table
> >> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
> >> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
> >>
> >> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
> >> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't buy
> >> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
> >>
> >> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared grilling!
> >> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
> >> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
> >>
> >> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
> >> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
> >> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
> >>
> >> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
> >> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
> >> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
> >> over fireplaces!!
> >>
> > As Alton Brown on one of his shows once said: "A broiler is nothing more
> > than an upside down grill."
> > The only thing you won't get is a crosshatch pattern on the meat. If
> > you'd
> > like a crosshatch pattern burnt into your steak, go purchase a hunk of
> > steel
> > diamond grate and heat it in the broiler as the broiler heats up. A
steel
> > diamond grate has a pattern similar to a chain link fence. Why grill
> > manufacturers don't use a diamond pattern for their grill grates is
beyond
> > me. Everybody wants that diamond pattern on grilled meat, then they
have
> > to
> > turn the steaks and cook them to long on each side to get it.
> > Place your meat on the broiler pan and place the hot diamond grate on
top.
> > When you flip the meat, flip the grate. The result is a steak that
> > appears
> > to have been grilled outdoors.
>
>
> I've got one of these, which works nicely for the diamond pattern:
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=13844518
>
> I only used it that way once because of the spattered grease, but it DOES
> work, and it's a nice solid product. The other side's flat, for pancakes.
> And, it's perfect for defrosting frozen food. Remember the TV ads for the
> "miracle aluminum thing that defrosts food in no time at all"? That was
just
> a useless hunk of aluminum. This is a hunk with more than one purpose.
>
>
A diamond pattern steel grate does not look like that, it looks like this.
http://click-onsource.com/metals/images/grate2.gif
To get a diamond pattern on meat with the product you posted, you'd have to
turn the meat after 5 min. by 45 degrees and cook it 5 more min. If I want
to cook a steak 5 min. on each side I can't get this device to put a
caramelized diamond pattern on it. You'd get that device at Bed Bath and
Beyond, the one I'm talking about comes from the nearest Welder and he uses
the welder to cut steak sized hunks off of a huge piece of diamond grate.
In essence this grate is being used as a branding iron, to brand the steaks
with a traditional grill diamond pattern while it's in the broiler, not on
top of a burner.

"Muddle" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Muddle" > wrote in message
>> et...
>> >
>> > > wrote in message
>> > oups.com...
>> >>
>> >> I'm having the damnedest luck researching this, and I don't know why.
>> >> Maybe it's just not made??
>> >>
>> >> I want to grill my own steaks. At home. On a table. That's all!
>> >>
>> >> But electric doesn't seem to really do the job, on account of the low
>> >> temperatures. So gas seems the way to go. But, heck, where are these
>> >> things?? Doesn't anyone make a simple gas grill that sits on the
>> >> table
>> >> or counter top and can be used indoors? Okay, so I need ventilation:
>> >> I'll leave the window open and have a fan blowing.
>> >>
>> >> I tried looking and looking but no one seems to make such a thing! I
>> >> just need to directly cook over flames in an apartment, and I can't
>> >> buy
>> >> some huge fancy restaurant-grade contraption.
>> >>
>> >> Now, in the meantime, I came across something called infrared
>> >> grilling!
>> >> Sounds interesting, but they are at least a grand and a half for the
>> >> low-end models, and I need them smaller, anyway.
>> >>
>> >> So does anyone have any recommendations? Or am I forced to use a
>> >> portable tabletop CHARCOAL grill indoors?? (That means I'll have to
>> >> buy an industrial-strength fan, too, in all likelihood!)
>> >>
>> >> I can't believe it's so hard to get a fire started in 2006 A.D. =)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance for any advice! I want to cook meat directly over
>> >> flames, but indoors, in an apartment, no less! I don't know why, but
>> >> all the grilling stuff I can google are either outdoors or electric or
>> >> over fireplaces!!
>> >>
>> > As Alton Brown on one of his shows once said: "A broiler is nothing
>> > more
>> > than an upside down grill."
>> > The only thing you won't get is a crosshatch pattern on the meat. If
>> > you'd
>> > like a crosshatch pattern burnt into your steak, go purchase a hunk of
>> > steel
>> > diamond grate and heat it in the broiler as the broiler heats up. A
> steel
>> > diamond grate has a pattern similar to a chain link fence. Why grill
>> > manufacturers don't use a diamond pattern for their grill grates is
> beyond
>> > me. Everybody wants that diamond pattern on grilled meat, then they
> have
>> > to
>> > turn the steaks and cook them to long on each side to get it.
>> > Place your meat on the broiler pan and place the hot diamond grate on
> top.
>> > When you flip the meat, flip the grate. The result is a steak that
>> > appears
>> > to have been grilled outdoors.
>>
>>
>> I've got one of these, which works nicely for the diamond pattern:
>> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...1&SKU=13844518
>>
>> I only used it that way once because of the spattered grease, but it DOES
>> work, and it's a nice solid product. The other side's flat, for pancakes.
>> And, it's perfect for defrosting frozen food. Remember the TV ads for the
>> "miracle aluminum thing that defrosts food in no time at all"? That was
> just
>> a useless hunk of aluminum. This is a hunk with more than one purpose.
>>
>>
> A diamond pattern steel grate does not look like that, it looks like this.
> http://click-onsource.com/metals/images/grate2.gif
> To get a diamond pattern on meat with the product you posted, you'd have
> to
> turn the meat after 5 min. by 45 degrees and cook it 5 more min. If I
> want
> to cook a steak 5 min. on each side I can't get this device to put a
> caramelized diamond pattern on it. You'd get that device at Bed Bath and
> Beyond, the one I'm talking about comes from the nearest Welder and he
> uses
> the welder to cut steak sized hunks off of a huge piece of diamond grate.
> In essence this grate is being used as a branding iron, to brand the
> steaks
> with a traditional grill diamond pattern while it's in the broiler, not on
> top of a burner.

That's all very nice. But, nobody eats the pattern, so I think most people
probably just want the steak cooked to their liking.

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:08:42 GMT, "Muddle"
> wrote:

>As Alton Brown on one of his shows once said: "A broiler is nothing more
>than an upside down grill."

Did he also say that most residential broilers don't get hot enough to
cook steaks and chops quickly enough, much less sear them?

>>As Alton Brown on one of his shows once said: "A broiler is nothing more
>>than an upside down grill."
>
>Did he also say that most residential broilers don't get hot enough to
>cook steaks and chops quickly enough, much less sear them?

I don't know about "most", not having any sales figures.

I do know that the least expensive stoves have a 'broiler' that just
burns the gas. These get reasonably hot, but probably don't broil
the way you'd like.

I spent a bit more on my stove and got one where the gas also heats
up a metal frame, to where it glows red. This broils just as well
as glowing red coals, or glowing red hot anything else. After some
testing, I've ajusted the hight of the rack I use (over a removable
pan to hold any drippings) so that about 2 1/2 minutes per side
does a thin steak or lamb chops to medium rare. That's probaly as
hot as anything you'd want to use at home.