I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
www.good4ucookies.com

Claire

good4ucookies wrote:

>
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site,


I think if you're going to post here you should share the recipes.



Dawn

Dawn wrote:
> good4ucookies wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site,
>
>
> I think if you're going to post here you should share the recipes.
> Dawn

LOL Touche!

good4ucookies wrote:

> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> www.good4ucookies.com

Would you also be curious about what we think about commercial messages in
a non-commercial news group?

In article . com>,
"good4ucookies" > wrote:

> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.

It's quite easy to make cookies with half the XXX of regular
cookies...just make them half as big! Now, try eating the same number
of these half-size cookies. Can't be done.

I did a little search at:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...st_nut_edit.pl

It says that your cookies contain the same amount of fat, carbs and
calories as the usual cookies (I picked oatmeal, because that's my
favorite).

Why do you claim "less than half"?

Since I like oatmeal cookies, I developed my own recipe and posted it
here in 1992. Unfortunately, it isn't oatmeal cookies. I made quite a
number of batches of these and ate them for breakfast:

This recipe is for people on a high fiber diet. For some people,
this *may* reduce cholesterol levels. They are an attempt to
duplicate the taste of oatmeal cookies, with less sweetness. I like
them crunchy and chewy. Cook them less to make them softer. Note
that a high consumption of these for people not used to high
consumption of fiber will cause changes in intestinal activity.

OAT BARS/MUFFINS
================
2 egg whites
1/2 c milk
1/2 c sugar
1/2 t baking soda
1 t cinnamon
1 t nutmeg
1/8 t cloves
1 t vanilla
1/4 cup vegetable oil
1/2 c flour
1 c oat bran
1 c raisins
1/2 c nuts (optional)
3 c oatmeal
Preheat oven to 325F. Add first eight ingredients to large bowl.
Stir, and then add all other ingredients except oatmeal. Stir again
and then add oatmeal. I like the coarsest oatmeal, you may like the
texture of the quicker-cooking stuff. It will be extremely thick.
Spoon into a greased 9" X 12" pan, or 24 muffin cups. Leave it
chunky and uneven if you like crispy nooks and crannies. Smooth it
down otherwise. Cook for 25 minutes for muffins or 45 minutes for
the pan. This will make it crunchy and brown around the edges and
bottom. Cook for less time if you want it softer.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

I'm responding to your post because you have attacked me...for no good
reason. In any case, my cookies are less than half the calories of
regular cookies, which has been verified by a nutritionist. How could
you possibly dispute that, when you don't know what recipe I use or the
amounts of the ingredients? As far as the 1/2 the size comment; the
cookies are regular size... 1.38oz...the size of a standard cookie
scoop. Please don't make comments when you don't know what you're
talking about. I won't share these recipes...I was willing to give
some very good hints on how to make some recipes healthier, but perhaps
not.


Dan Abel wrote:
> In article . com>,
> "good4ucookies" > wrote:
>
> > I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> > bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> > are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> > than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
>
> It's quite easy to make cookies with half the XXX of regular
> cookies...just make them half as big! Now, try eating the same number
> of these half-size cookies. Can't be done.
>
> I did a little search at:
>
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...st_nut_edit.pl
>
> It says that your cookies contain the same amount of fat, carbs and
> calories as the usual cookies (I picked oatmeal, because that's my
> favorite).
>
> Why do you claim "less than half"?
>
> Since I like oatmeal cookies, I developed my own recipe and posted it
> here in 1992. Unfortunately, it isn't oatmeal cookies. I made quite a
> number of batches of these and ate them for breakfast:
>
> This recipe is for people on a high fiber diet. For some people,
> this *may* reduce cholesterol levels. They are an attempt to
> duplicate the taste of oatmeal cookies, with less sweetness. I like
> them crunchy and chewy. Cook them less to make them softer. Note
> that a high consumption of these for people not used to high
> consumption of fiber will cause changes in intestinal activity.
>
> OAT BARS/MUFFINS
> ================
> 2 egg whites
> 1/2 c milk
> 1/2 c sugar
> 1/2 t baking soda
> 1 t cinnamon
> 1 t nutmeg
> 1/8 t cloves
> 1 t vanilla
> 1/4 cup vegetable oil
> 1/2 c flour
> 1 c oat bran
> 1 c raisins
> 1/2 c nuts (optional)
> 3 c oatmeal
> Preheat oven to 325F. Add first eight ingredients to large bowl.
> Stir, and then add all other ingredients except oatmeal. Stir again
> and then add oatmeal. I like the coarsest oatmeal, you may like the
> texture of the quicker-cooking stuff. It will be extremely thick.
> Spoon into a greased 9" X 12" pan, or 24 muffin cups. Leave it
> chunky and uneven if you like crispy nooks and crannies. Smooth it
> down otherwise. Cook for 25 minutes for muffins or 45 minutes for
> the pan. This will make it crunchy and brown around the edges and
> bottom. Cook for less time if you want it softer.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
>
> Petaluma, California, USA

Claire,
I'm top posting this so you read it right away. It is considered really rude
to advertise in these groups. Most people here have posted forever and
rightly or wrongly consider it fair game when someone who doesn't know the
rules breaks them.

Lisa aka Pagemaster


"good4ucookies" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> www.good4ucookies.com
>
> Claire
>

Raisin applesauce snack cake

1 C whole-wheat flour
1 C unbleached AP flour
1 C sugar
2 tsp. cinnamon
1 tsp. baking soda
1/2 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. nutmeg
1/4 tsp. allspice
1 tsp. vanilla
1 egg
1/4 C canola oil
1 1/3 C unsweetened applesauce
1 C raisins


Preheat oven to 350°. Coat a 9x13 inch baking pan with nonstick cooking
spray and set aside.
Combine flours, sugar, spices, soda, and salt. In separate bowl,
combine the vanilla, egg, oil, and applesauce and mix well. Add the
applesauce mixture to the dry mixture all at once and beat at medium
speed to combine. Stir in the raisins. Pour the batter into prepared
pan and smooth the top. Bake in the center of oven for 30 minutes, or
until a toothpick inserted in the center comes out clean. Allow to cool
in the pan; cut into 1 x 1 1/2 inch bars. Makes 36.

Bob's Granola Bars

1/4 cup margarine (canola or peanut oil might work)
1/2 pound marshmallows (about 30 large)
3 cups old fashioned rolled oats
1 cup whole almond kernals
3/4 cup (?) grated coconut [estimated amount]
generous 1/2 cup sweetened dried cranberries, a.k.a. "craisins"
generous 1/2 cup diced dried turkish apricots
scant 1/2 cup wheat germ
1/2 cup roasted and salted sunflower kernals
2 cups puffed rice breakfast cereal (like Rice Krispies®)

Toast oats and almonds in a 375 degree oven. It works best if they are
in seperate bakind dishes, otherwise the oats tend to insulate and
protect the almonds from the heat. Meanwhile, in a huge heatproof bowl,
melt margarine and marshmallows in the microwave. Stir with a big spoon
to combine. Stir in the coconut, dried fruit, sunflower seeds, and wheat
germ. Next add the hot oats and almonds. Lastly, stir in the rice
cereal. It will be very sticky and hard to mix. Spray a 9x13 glass
baking pan with your favorite non-stick spray. Transfer the sticky glop
into the pan and press it down as tightly as you can -- covering it with
waxed paper while you press it helps. Allow to sit for a half hour or
so, and cut into squares when they are no longer sticky.

One time on Usenet, "good4ucookies" > said:

> I'm responding to your post because you have attacked me...for no good
> reason.

<snip>

He didn't "attack" you, he asked you some pertinent questions.
Perhaps if you weren't spamming, you wouldn't feel so defensive...

--
"Little Malice" is Jani in WA
~ mom, Trollop, novice cook ~

good4ucookies wrote:
> I'm responding to your post because you have attacked me...for no good
> reason. In any case, my cookies are less than half the calories of
> regular cookies, which has been verified by a nutritionist.

Only if you compare your cookies to really high-fat cookies. Your
cookies have 4-8.5 grams of fat per cookie - that's not exactly
"low-fat".

-L.

Dear Lisa...and everyone else,

I apologize. I have been advertising, and it was posted on one of the
sites where I advertise, that a way to improve "exposure" is to post to
usenet groups. I had no idea that it was against the rules...I would
not have done it had I known. All I can say is that it won't happen
again, and I will make sure I use read the USENET rules before I post,
and not take the word of a third source.

Claire
Lisa Smith wrote:
> Claire,
> I'm top posting this so you read it right away. It is considered really rude
> to advertise in these groups. Most people here have posted forever and
> rightly or wrongly consider it fair game when someone who doesn't know the
> rules breaks them.
>
> Lisa aka Pagemaster
>
>
> "good4ucookies" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> > bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> > are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> > than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
> > I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> > welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> > www.good4ucookies.com
> >
> > Claire
> >

good4ucookies wrote:

> Dear Lisa...and everyone else,
>
> I apologize. I have been advertising, and it was posted on one of the
> sites where I advertise, that a way to improve "exposure" is to post to
> usenet groups.


Being a friendly, knowledgeable *participant* in the discussions here
will get you far more exposure than advertising. There's probably also
some low-fat diet groups who would welcome advice on how to make foods
that taste good. Just be careful about pushing your product on people.



Dawn

One time on Usenet, "good4ucookies" > said:

> Dear Lisa...and everyone else,
>
> I apologize.

Kewl, thank you.

> I have been advertising, and it was posted on one of the
> sites where I advertise, that a way to improve "exposure" is to post to
> usenet groups.

Argh! Idiots!! That is so irritating.

> I had no idea that it was against the rules...I would
> not have done it had I known. All I can say is that it won't happen
> again, and I will make sure I use read the USENET rules before I post,
> and not take the word of a third source.

For *honest*, factual information on how to use Usenet, you'll
want to read one of the Offical news.newusers.questions web sites;
I've posted a link below. n.n.q is a newsgroup created to teach
newbies the rules so they could become contributing members of
Usenet society. I used to help out there quite a bit, years ago.
If it makes you feel any better, one of my first Usenet posts was
an advertisment -- which I was immediately chastised, which was
terribly embarrasing. So I know how you're probably feeling! But
by apologizing, you're showing a good attitude -- read the rules
and come back... :-)

http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/

--
"Little Malice" is Jani in WA
~ mom, Trollop, novice cook ~

good4ucookies wrote:
> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> www.good4ucookies.com
>
> Claire

I'm still curious about the half the sugar claim. If they have less
sugar, why is it still the third ingredient - right after white and
wheat flour - listed? That sounds like there must be a LOT of sugar!
Basically, from the list of ingredients, it sounds pretty much similar
to any cookie. The choc chip cookie ingredients looked about the same
as they would if you baked Toll House Cookies right from the recipe on
the back of the bag, then listed the ingredients by quantity.

And I notice there's no analysis of how many grams of suagr per cookie
in the nutritional info.

good4ucookies wrote:
> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> www.good4ucookies.com
>
> Claire

Here's the nutritional infor for a home-baked toll house cookie, using
the nestle's recipe:
Serving size: 1/60 of recipe (recipe yields 5 dozen cookies, so that
comes out to a serving of 1 cookie)
Nutrition Facts
Calories: 110
Calories from Fat: 50
Total Fat: 6g
Saturated Fat: 3g
Cholesterol: 15mg
Sodium: 85mg
Carbohydrates: 13g
Dietary Fiber: .5g
Sugars: 8g
Protein: 1g

Here's teh nurtritional infor from your site for one of your choc chip
cookies:
Nutritional Information:

Serving size - 1 cookie - 1.38oz., 140 calories, 2 grams protein, 24
grams carbohydrates, 6 grams fat, 18 milligrams cholesterol

Hmm. Looks like yours have MORE calories, MORE carbs, and MORE
cholesterol than hoem-made chocolate chip cookies.

What, exactly, makes them healthy?

Not attacking you, just wondering where you're coming from.

good4ucookies wrote:
> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> www.good4ucookies.com
>
> Claire

I think if I'm going to have a cookie I'm going to have a real cookie
loaded with fat and sugar. If you're eating low fat or low sugar
cookies to lose weight then you need to stop because you're not
changing your eating habits. I'd rather eat fewer real cookies or not
eat them as often than eat some tasteless diet cookie.

In ups.com,
good4ucookies > typed:
> I've just started a new business which you might be interested in.
> I
> bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain
> less
> than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular
> cookies.
> I'd be curious to know what this group thinks of my site, as well as
> welcome any orders you have of course... the site is
> www.SPAM-cookies.com
>
> Claire

Are your cookies SPAM flavored?

In article . com>,
"good4ucookies" > wrote:

> I'm responding to your post because you have attacked me

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be a personal attack.


> ...for no good reason.

I was first diagnosed with diabetes 35 years ago. This is personal for
me. There are many other diabetics on this group. There's a good
reason that we question claims that seem extravagant...it's our health.


> In any case, my cookies are less than half the calories of
> regular cookies, which has been verified by a nutritionist.

If you paid this nutritionist good money, perhaps *you* should be asking
these hard questions, not me. Perhaps it's time for a new nutritionist.


> How could
> you possibly dispute that, when you don't know what recipe I use or the
> amounts of the ingredients?

It's not rocket science. Here is the nutrition data for oatmeal cookies
cut and pasted directly from your web site:

*Oatmeal Everything Cookies
*
*Ingredients: White and whole wheat flour, oatmeal, brown sugar, butter,
*eggs, chocolate chips, raisins, walnuts, vanilla, baking powder, baking
*soda, salt
*Nutritional Information:
*Serving size - 1 cookie - 1.38oz.
*156 calories, 2 grams protein, 24 grams carbohydrates, 6 grams fat, 66
*milligrams sodium

Now here is the nutritional info taken from a bag of Pepperidge Farm
Oatmeal Raisin cookies:

1.1 oz per cookie
130 calories
4.5g fat
23g carbs
US$.485 each

Now here is the URL for a USDA web site:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

select "cookies" and click on "submit"

now select "Cookies, oatmeal, prepared from recipe, with raisins" from
the list and click on "submit"

now select "oz" and change the amount to the weight of your cookies,
1.38, then click on submit

you get a nicely formatted chart, which doesn't cut and paste worth
beans, but it says 170 calories, 6.34g fat and 26.76g carbs

Your cookies don't have significantly less calories than "regular"
cookies, per my two examples. Furthermore, I think you are charging
about US$30.00, including shipping and handling, for 24 cookies, which
is more than a dollar per cookie, or about US$15.00 per pound.

Along with checking out the PF cookies, I looked at the instore bakery.
No nutritional info, but US$2.34 a pound for 16 giant cookies, about two
pounds. They looked good, but I stuck to my list, including milk (not
for me) and limes (also not for me).


> Please don't make comments when you don't know what you're
> talking about. I won't share these recipes...I was willing to give
> some very good hints on how to make some recipes healthier, but perhaps
> not.


I hope you'll stick around. Perhaps we can all learn some things about
adapting recipes for diabetics.

> Dan Abel wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > "good4ucookies" > wrote:
> >
> > > I've just started a new business which you might be interested in. I
> > > bake healthy cookies...I know that sounds strange, but these cookies
> > > are just like the cookies which you know and love but they contain less
> > > than half the fat, sugar, calories and cholesterol of regular cookies.

> > I did a little search at:
> >
> > http://www [bad url snipped]
> >
> > It says that your cookies contain the same amount of fat, carbs and
> > calories as the usual cookies (I picked oatmeal, because that's my
> > favorite).
> >
> > Why do you claim "less than half"?

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA