Nancy Young wrote:
> "Little Malice" > wrote
>
> > One time on Usenet, "Nancy Young" > said:
> >> "denise~*" > wrote
> >
> >> > What's yer point? Water is water...IMHO
> >> >
> >> > I filter at home & fill-up a container if I leave. Much cheaper &
> >> > tastes the same, sorta like....Water! :-)
> >
> >> You kidding, many places have horrible tasting water
> >> coming out of the tap. Some people buy drinking water for
> >> a good reason.
> >
> > Well, she did say she filters hers.
>
> I was referring to her remark, water is water. There are most
> assuredly differences between some tap water and others.
>
> nancy

I was referring to the difference between Spring or Bottled (filtered)
water.

Not tap. Sheesh. Tap is horrid stuff. Ours has an aftertaste if it's
not filtered. Bleah.

cybercat wrote:

> > Ever see a deer pee in a toilet?
> >
> What's your point? A deer peeing in a toilet is a deer peeing in a toilet.

Are you really that dense? (grin)

Actually I was sorta joking, as there is some thought that since spring
water can be resourced from a stream, and animals can pee in that
stream. Hence my badly delivered joke. Although, you never REALLY
know if they are collecting the spring water before or after it sees
the light of day.

nancree wrote:
>
> If you can get a reverse filter water system installed under your
> sink, it is a wonderful investment. I get clear filtered water at the
> touch of a tap. I keep a container of water on my bathroom sink, too. I
> got my filter at Costco.
> Nancree

We have the GE Dual-Stage Water Filtration System, with it's own
spigot.
Bought it at Home Depot.

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "denise~*" > wrote
>
> > What's yer point? Water is water...IMHO
> >
> > I filter at home & fill-up a container if I leave. Much cheaper &
> > tastes the same, sorta like....Water! :-)
>
> You kidding, many places have horrible tasting water
> coming out of the tap. Some people buy drinking water for
> a good reason.
>
> nancy

I buy aquafina when I am on the road...

Our drinking water at home comes from the wal-mart vending machine at
$.25 per gallon. Our tap water is ok, but it has fluoride in it and has
an "off" taste. I cannot (yet) afford to install a good filter system at
home.
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"denise~*" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> > Ever see a deer pee in a toilet?
>> >
>> What's your point? A deer peeing in a toilet is a deer peeing in a
>> toilet.
>
> Are you really that dense? (grin)

Ask Joe, he knows better than I do what I am!

>
> Actually I was sorta joking, as there is some thought that since spring
> water can be resourced from a stream, and animals can pee in that
> stream. Hence my badly delivered joke. Although, you never REALLY
> know if they are collecting the spring water before or after it sees
> the light of day.
>

*bing*

Okay, now I get it.

But see, that is why I drink distilled. At least I understand the process.

cybercat wrote:
> "Andy" <q> wrote
> >
> > I was told never to drink distilled water.
>
> Looks like it is okay.
>
> http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART00581
>
> I guessed as much, as my health is great and I have not had tap
> water for years, unless I am served tap in coffee or tea at a social
> event or a friend's house.
>
> Could be a wive's tale, or it might come from a time when a lot
> of people didn't have decent diets or take mineral supplements.
> I have taken mineral supplements along with other supplements
> since my teens. No health problems but congenital asthma so far.

IIRC the biggest concern is osteoporosis, which you wouldn't know about
unless you get a bone scan. I used to drink it, too, until my niece
who is a very good nurse said it leaches your bones. I also get
headaches when I drink it, so I stopped. They also told us to NOT use
it for making baby formula because of the same reason. I now buy
spring water that is filtered by reverse osmosis.

-L.

denise~* wrote:
> Andy wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > FYI, Aquafina is not natural spring water. It's reconditioned tap water.
> >
> > Andy
>
> What's yer point? Water is water...IMHO
>
> I filter at home & fill-up a container if I leave. Much cheaper &
> tastes the same, sorta like....Water! :-)

Depends on where you live. Most home filter systems are not going to be
removing parasites and bacteria which is what is found in my public
water supply. Water goes into the potable water pipes clean and healthy
having come out of the new water treatment plant. The sewer lines run
ABOVE the potable water lines. Both potable water pipes and sewer pipes
are PVC and the joints are not glued.They leak. When potable water is
NOT flowing, a vaccuum is created in those pipes and leaking sewage is
sucked into the potable water system. So.....when the water comes on in
my neighborhood, the water filling my pila and my cistern smells like
sewage because it contains sewage.

I'll stick with bottled water.

-SD-

"-L." > wrote
>
> IIRC the biggest concern is osteoporosis, which you wouldn't know about
> unless you get a bone scan. I used to drink it, too, until my niece
> who is a very good nurse said it leaches your bones. I also get
> headaches when I drink it, so I stopped. They also told us to NOT use
> it for making baby formula because of the same reason. I now buy
> spring water that is filtered by reverse osmosis.
>

Hmm. I just don't understand this. I'll look into it further and report
back.

What brand of spring water do you buy?

"-L." > wrote
>
> IIRC the biggest concern is osteoporosis, which you wouldn't know about
> unless you get a bone scan.

I did a quick search and a number of physicians say that this is a myth.
Here is what one has to say. (Andrew Weil has an MD degree from Harvard, but
his undergrad degree
was botany. I want to see what biochemists have to say, too ...)




Is drinking distilled water dangerous? I've read that it's harmful because
distilled water easily becomes acidic and supposedly robs the body of
important minerals. True?

-- Joe Pietron



First of all, let me review for the record what distilled water is - it's
water that has been turned into steam so its impurities are left behind. The
steam is then condensed to make pure water. The process of distillation
kills and removes virtually all bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, and other
organic and inorganic contaminants. Once distilled, the water is as pure as
water can reasonably be.
For reasons I don't understand, any number of myths - some quite extreme -
have grown up over the years about distilled water. A quick Internet search
today will take you to sites that put forth such views as "distilled water
leads to early death." Nonsense. One claim holds that distillation removes
all of water's beneficial minerals. While it's true that distillation
removes minerals as well as various contaminants from water, we don't know
that the human body can readily absorb minerals from water. We get our
minerals from food, not water. By one manufacturer's estimate, you would
have to drink 676 eight-ounce glasses of tap water in Boston to reach the
RDA for calcium.
Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the body
reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove minerals
from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not "leach"
out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure. Neither
does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim made by
a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity goes,
distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body's
acid/base balance.
I hope I've set your mind at ease. Distilled water not only isn't dangerous,
it's the purest form of water. It's also the kind of water I drink.
Dr. Andrew Weil

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...

> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once
> distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.

Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
>> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once
>> distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.
>
> Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
> But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.
>
>

Thats why I shake my head every time I drive past a local bottled water
plant. There is a genuine "mountain spring fed" water reservoir near
here that was taken out of service years ago because among other things
it is seriously contaminated with benzene. There is a constant stream of
tanker trucks filling up at the contaminated water reservoir and
bringing the water back to the plant so it can produce "mountain spring
water". The main (or maybe only) customer is Walmart. Each day there are
at least 20 Walmart trailers sitting in a queue to bring the "low
everyday price" water to your local Walmart.

"George" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
>>> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants.
>>> Once distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.
>>
>> Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
>> But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.
>
> Thats why I shake my head every time I drive past a local bottled water
> plant. There is a genuine "mountain spring fed" water reservoir near here
> that was taken out of service years ago because among other things it is
> seriously contaminated with benzene. There is a constant stream of tanker
> trucks filling up at the contaminated water reservoir and bringing the
> water back to the plant so it can produce "mountain spring water". The
> main (or maybe only) customer is Walmart. Each day there are at least 20
> Walmart trailers sitting in a queue to bring the "low everyday price"
> water to your local Walmart.

Our water authority sends out an annual water analysis which I believe is
required by law (the public disclosure, that is). I suspect you can get the
same thing from bottled water suppliers.

In article >,
(DK) wrote:

> In article >, Andy <q> wrote:
> >OmManiPadmeOmelet said...
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Ever wonder about those people who spend $2 apiece on those little
> >>> bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backward."
> >>> -George Carlin
> >>
> >> I generally buy Aquafina... ;-)
> >
> >
> >FYI, Aquafina is not natural spring water. It's reconditioned tap water.
>
> It's a lot worse than that! Aquafina is a reverse osmosis purified
> water. That is, it is not too different from a distilled water - no
> ions, no taste, just plain chemical laboratory water.

I know... but it's a quick fix when I am on the road and it tastes good.
:-)
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"jay" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:53:13 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
>>> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants.
>>> Once
>>> distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.
>>
>> Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
>> But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.
>
> Would you lead the scientific discussion then? I have reverse osmosis
> filtration. I am not really sure exactly what the system filters..but they
> charge me a lot to change those filters. The taste is crisp and
> clean..way
> different than the taps without it. I mean besides vodka what should we
> drink for good health? lol

I'm simply pointing out what I've read over the years about distilled water,
which is NOT what your reverse osmosis filter does.

The real point of this whole conversation is this, as far as I'm concerned:

1) If your local water tastes nasty for whatever reason, buy bottled water.

2) If your local water tastes fine, but you're worried about contaminants,
buy bottled water, but contact the supplier for water analysis information,
and compare to your local water. You may find that what's in the bottle is
no better than what's coming out of your tap.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
>> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once
>> distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.
>
> Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
> But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.

Science should be a part of this discussion. An stop humping my posts,
you're going to make yourself sore.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
>>> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants.
>>> Once distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.
>>
>> Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
>> But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.
>
> Science should be a part of this discussion. An stop humping my posts,
> you're going to make yourself sore.
>

You keep posting things that are dubious, and I'll keep following you around
like a bad rash. You stop, I'll stop.

In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote:

> "-L." > wrote
> >
> > IIRC the biggest concern is osteoporosis, which you wouldn't know about
> > unless you get a bone scan. I used to drink it, too, until my niece
> > who is a very good nurse said it leaches your bones. I also get
> > headaches when I drink it, so I stopped. They also told us to NOT use
> > it for making baby formula because of the same reason. I now buy
> > spring water that is filtered by reverse osmosis.
> >
>
> Hmm. I just don't understand this. I'll look into it further and report
> back.
>
> What brand of spring water do you buy?

Most water has dissolve minerals in it...

Even if you only drink filtered, not DI water, it's not a bad idea to
take a balanced mineral supplement...

I've been told by more than one MD that studied proper nutrition that
calcium supplements (alone) did more harm than good.

I've eliminated leg cramps since I've started using a _balanced_ mineral
supplement that contains Calcium, Magnesium and Phosphorous.

"Now" brand Full Spectrum Minerals works for me... and my first bone
scan was normal.
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Dave Smith said...

> FWIW.. I have a home water distiller and my wife won't drink anything
> but. It also cuts down on problems with coffee makers.


For the longest time we had Deer Park spring water delivered. We had the
nice ceramic dispenser but having five 5-gallon jugs a month sitting
around was a waste of space.

I then went to just gallons of bottled water. I'd buy the cheapest spring
water sold but the soft "cloudy" plastic containers actually contributed
a nasty flavor to the water.

I then went to the clear "hard" plastic jugs of Deer Park. Then one day
they changed the shape of the jug and reduced the content from 1 gallon
to 3.5 liters or something and wanted more money.

Now I just buy Dannon spring water gallon jugs. The container has the
wide mouth and a convenient three finger handle.

There was a water company in California called Sparklets that was the
worst bottled water. I'd be thirsty 10 minutes after drinking a glass.
Then I thought salt?? Then there it was right in front of me:

SpArkLeTs

Nobody's touched on fluoride yet. Some bottled waters use it, some don't.
I don't want fluoride in my water.

Andy

On 2006-10-16, JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Ever wonder about those people who spend $2 apiece on those little bottles
> of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backward."
> -George Carlin

George is an idiot.

Some folks have municiple or well water that tastes like crap. Paying
for bottled water is worth it. Sometimes when traveling cross country
a traveler will stop at a place where the water is bad and/or that
water fountain around the side hasn't been cleaned since Teddy R was
in office. In short, if it's worth it to you to pay for water, then
pay for it. If it's not, don't.

After buying bottled and doing the Brita thing, I've recently
discovered my local water isn't really that bad. I've tasted better.
But, by filling a container and putting it in the fridge for a couple
days, it chills and the chlorine evaps out and my tap water is good
enough. No more bottled water bill here.

nb

jay wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:53:13 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> > "cybercat" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria,
> >> viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once
> >> distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.

But only for a moment, and not necessarily... biological purity depends
entirely on the sterility of how water is handled from the very moment
of condensation... when you buy distilled water it is only sterile if
the container also says "sterile"... those gallon jugs of distilled
water at the stupidmarket are not sterile.., just doesn't contain
minerals, but can be laden with bacteria. Any crap water can be made
sterile by boiling, but will only be sterile for a very brief moment
unless done under hermatically sealed sterile conditions.

> > Ummm....not exactly. Things like benzene and toluene hang right in there.
> > But, it doesn't matter. Science is not part of this discussion.
>
> Would you lead the scientific discussion then? I have reverse osmosis
> filtration. I am not really sure exactly what the system filters..but they
> charge me a lot to change those filters.

I have RO water too... regarding cost of servicing what do you
consider a lot? I have my system serviced once each year, costs me
about $50.... I consider that a bargain, since it includes changing all
three filter elements, disinfecting the entire system, and recharging
the system's pressure to the correct psi. Water from a properly
serviced RO system is nearly as pure as water that is distilled and
sterile.... if aerated at the spigot it tastes as crisp and clean as
it's possible for water to taste..... far, far better tasting than any
bottled water, and RO water averages about 3¢/gal. And the term
"mineral spring water" is pure BS, if it contained high enough
concentrations of minerals to be dietarilly significant you'd not drink
it, it would taste, and smell, pretty foul. And spring water does not
contain a very large array of minerals, typically a little iron,
calcium, and phospherous... nothing th eaverage person doesn't receive
from their normal diet. And human beings do not need to ingest lots of
minerals every day, the human body retains and stores a good month's
supply of most every mineral it needs. Even a relatively poor diet
(tia fast food) is plenty sufficient.


Sheldon

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2006-10-16, JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Ever wonder about those people who spend $2 apiece on those little
>> bottles
>> of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backward."
>> -George Carlin
>
> George is an idiot.

I believe he was referring to people who buy water simply because the
particular name is stylish.



> Some folks have municiple or well water that tastes like crap. Paying
> for bottled water is worth it. Sometimes when traveling cross country
> a traveler will stop at a place where the water is bad and/or that
> water fountain around the side hasn't been cleaned since Teddy R was
> in office. In short, if it's worth it to you to pay for water, then
> pay for it. If it's not, don't.
>
> After buying bottled and doing the Brita thing, I've recently
> discovered my local water isn't really that bad. I've tasted better.
> But, by filling a container and putting it in the fridge for a couple
> days, it chills and the chlorine evaps out and my tap water is good
> enough. No more bottled water bill here.
>
> nb

On 2006-10-17, JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>
> I believe he was referring to people who buy water simply because the
> particular name is stylish.

I never said George was alone.

Your assertion was perfectly illustrated recently on one of those tv
network news magazines with a dead serious scam of boutique bottled
water. Patrons were shown a professionally printed "water list"
offering a half dozen high end (supposedly) bottled waters, some as
high as $15 glass. The patrons were sucking it up, oohing and ahhing
over how good each selection they tried was and which were better than
the other. The kicker? ....I know you see it coming.... all bottles
were being filled from the same garden hose out back!

Dontchya just love it!

nb

"-L." wrote:

>
> IIRC the biggest concern is osteoporosis, which you wouldn't know about
> unless you get a bone scan. I used to drink it, too, until my niece
> who is a very good nurse said it leaches your bones. I also get
> headaches when I drink it, so I stopped. They also told us to NOT use
> it for making baby formula because of the same reason. I now buy
> spring water that is filtered by reverse osmosis.
>

Nurses cab be wrong about things. I have a sister in law who is a nurse who
got pregnant (with twins) when her birth control failed. I find it hard to
believe that distilled water can leech calcium from bones. There are other
things going on in the body that are responsible for maintaining chemical
balances, as evidenced by increased risk of osteoporosis in women over
men. The parathyroid also robs the body of calcium. Even if distilled
water may lead to some reduction on bone density, mineral supplements could
counter the problem.

FWIW.. I have a home water distiller and my wife won't drink anything
but. It also cuts down on problems with coffee makers.

jay wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2006 13:35:16 -0700, Sheldon wrote:
>
> > jay wrote:
> > <somestuff>
>
> > I have RO water too... regarding cost of servicing what do you
> > consider a lot? I have my system serviced once each year, costs me
> > about $50.... I consider that a bargain, since it includes changing all
> > three filter elements, disinfecting the entire system, and recharging
> > the system's pressure to the correct psi.
> >
> > Sheldon
>
> 167$ is what the charge is here for the 3 elements installed, and if the RO
> membrane is needed another ~50$. Price includes trip charge and
> installation time. I am considering doing it myself. You can buy all the
> filters on line for my system including the RO membrane for somewhat less
> than half that amount. The RO membrane is supposed to last around 6 years.
> The pressure is set between 7 & 10 lbs with

the tank empty. I'm not sure
> what they do to disinfect the system, do you know?

Wow, pricey... you need to find a new service company. My guy
disconnects the plastic tubing and injects a few drops of some kind of
blue tinged liquid, this is supposed to disinfect the inside of all the
plumbing from the outlet side of the tank to the water spigot. This is
done right after the tank is fully drained. Then I'm instructed not to
use teh RO for about 4 hours until it fills back up, then drain it
completely again. After the tank is filled again I can use it.

I suppose I can service the RO unit myself. But I have the water
service guy service my water softener too (RO does not get softened
water), and I also have a UV lamp that all the water passes by, he
changes that bulb too. Only water that's not treated (used straight as
it comes from the well) is the water to my two outside hose bibs. I
have a thrid hose bib right next to my garage door, that water is not
only softened it's also tempered some with hot water, great for washing
cars, and tractors, especially to get salt off during winter, naturally
when the outddoor temps are above freezing... I do use that spigot a
few times a year... having warm water to wash a car is a nice idea.


Sheldon

Dave Smith wrote:

> Nurses cab be wrong about things. I have a sister in law who is a nurse who
> got pregnant (with twins) when her birth control failed. I find it hard to
> believe that distilled water can leech calcium from bones. There are other
> things going on in the body that are responsible for maintaining chemical
> balances, as evidenced by increased risk of osteoporosis in women over
> men. The parathyroid also robs the body of calcium. Even if distilled
> water may lead to some reduction on bone density, mineral supplements could
> counter the problem.

I was in a critical care conference today that mentioned the risks of
distilled water (specifically) and water intoxication (in general).
Because of the way water in the body travels to areas of higher solute
concentration, you can actually "absorb" more fluid in areas of your
body than normal. This can cause cerebral edema (NOT a good thing) as
well as other problems.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> I was in a critical care conference today that mentioned the risks of
> distilled water (specifically) and water intoxication (in general).
> Because of the way water in the body travels to areas of higher solute
> concentration, you can actually "absorb" more fluid in areas of your body
> than normal. This can cause cerebral edema (NOT a good thing) as well as
> other problems.

Does the distilled water lead to water intoxification faster than
other types of water?

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Goomba38" > wrote
>
>> I was in a critical care conference today that mentioned the risks of
>> distilled water (specifically) and water intoxication (in general).
>> Because of the way water in the body travels to areas of higher solute
>> concentration, you can actually "absorb" more fluid in areas of your body
>> than normal. This can cause cerebral edema (NOT a good thing) as well as
>> other problems.
>
> Does the distilled water lead to water intoxification faster than
> other types of water?
>
Yes, I believe it can. Water that is devoid of solute passes into areas
of higher solute but in turn that can cause unintended cellular swelling.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:

>> Does the distilled water lead to water intoxification faster than
>> other types of water?
>>
> Yes, I believe it can. Water that is devoid of solute passes into areas of
> higher solute but in turn that can cause unintended cellular swelling.

Like being brined. Heh.

nancy (taking a new look at her ever-present seltzer)

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Nurses cab be wrong about things. I have a sister in law who is a nurse
>> who
>> got pregnant (with twins) when her birth control failed. I find it hard
>> to
>> believe that distilled water can leech calcium from bones. There are
>> other
>> things going on in the body that are responsible for maintaining chemical
>> balances, as evidenced by increased risk of osteoporosis in women over
>> men. The parathyroid also robs the body of calcium. Even if distilled
>> water may lead to some reduction on bone density, mineral supplements
>> could
>> counter the problem.
>
> I was in a critical care conference today that mentioned the risks of
> distilled water (specifically) and water intoxication (in general).
> Because of the way water in the body travels to areas of higher solute
> concentration, you can actually "absorb" more fluid in areas of your body
> than normal. This can cause cerebral edema (NOT a good thing) as well as
> other problems.

You would have to drink a LOT of water for this to happen.

Nancy Young wrote:

> nancy (taking a new look at her ever-present seltzer)
>
Selzer isn't the same as distilled water which contains NO solutes.

jay wrote:
>
> We have the whole house water softener too, but have it on bypass. We have
> city water and it isn't hard. It was already here in the house that we are
> fixer-ing..up and plumbed for it during the original construction. We used
> it for about 6 months but there isn't any noticeable difference than the
> tap (w/softener bypassed). The RO is a different story though. Will call
> the service company for info on the "blue" stuff. I have no experience with
> either system other than this one. Thanks.

Your water softener is probably kaput, they have a life span of maybe
fifteen years... eventually they just waste salt. Municipal water is
typically not softened but if you're happy with the softness level of
your city water then no point in buying a new water softener.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> nancy (taking a new look at her ever-present seltzer)
> Selzer isn't the same as distilled water which contains NO solutes.

Oh, I know, I was just wondering if it was made with distilled
water. Don't really think so.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>
> > > Nurses cab be wrong about things. I have a sister in law who is a nurse who
> > > got pregnant (with twins) when her birth control failed. I find it hard to
> > > believe that distilled water can leech calcium from bones. There are other
> > > things going on in the body that are responsible for maintaining chemical
> > > balances, as evidenced by increased risk of osteoporosis in women over
> > > men. The parathyroid also robs the body of calcium. Even if distilled
> > > water may lead to some reduction on bone density, mineral supplements could
> > > counter the problem.
> >
> > I was in a critical care conference today that mentioned the risks of
> > distilled water (specifically) and water intoxication (in general).
> > Because of the way water in the body travels to areas of higher solute
> > concentration, you can actually "absorb" more fluid in areas of your
> > body than normal. This can cause cerebral edema (NOT a good thing) as
> > well as other problems.
>
> Distilled water is merely (almost) pure water. Once water gets into your system
> it dissolves other solutes already there. It is no longer pure. BTW, do they not
> use distilled water in IV solutions?

*Sterile* water... usually saline, perhaps some form of sugar, also
contains other meds as well... there goes the distilled... may have
started off as distilled water but then had 'medicinals' added. Not
much medical use for pure water with IVs. And sterile water must be
lableled sterile for IV use... often sterile water is clearly labled
for inhalation and oral administration only. In other words it's not
quite sterile enough for injection. There's a huge difference between
distilled and sterile, and medically sterile... medically sterile for
IV use typically has a rather short shelf life, perhaps a month or two,
is hermetically sealed, and needs refrigeration.

Sheldon

Goomba38 wrote:

> > Nurses cab be wrong about things. I have a sister in law who is a nurse who
> > got pregnant (with twins) when her birth control failed. I find it hard to
> > believe that distilled water can leech calcium from bones. There are other
> > things going on in the body that are responsible for maintaining chemical
> > balances, as evidenced by increased risk of osteoporosis in women over
> > men. The parathyroid also robs the body of calcium. Even if distilled
> > water may lead to some reduction on bone density, mineral supplements could
> > counter the problem.
>
> I was in a critical care conference today that mentioned the risks of
> distilled water (specifically) and water intoxication (in general).
> Because of the way water in the body travels to areas of higher solute
> concentration, you can actually "absorb" more fluid in areas of your
> body than normal. This can cause cerebral edema (NOT a good thing) as
> well as other problems.

Distilled water is merely (almost) pure water. Once water gets into your system
it dissolves other solutes already there. It is no longer pure. BTW, do they not
use distilled water in IV solutions?

Goomba38 wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > nancy (taking a new look at her ever-present seltzer)
> >
> Selzer isn't the same as distilled water which contains NO solutes.

What if you add Alka Seltzer to distilled water. Some of the reports I
checked out likened the leeching of minerals from the body to the soft
drinks like Coke which, according to them, are made with distilled
water. I am not a chemist, but it seems to me that distilled water
mixed with Coca Cola syrup, a combination of real and artificial
flavours, sugar and chemicals like phosphoric acid, is no longer
distilled water. It is a solution.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Distilled water is merely (almost) pure water. Once water gets into your system
> it dissolves other solutes already there. It is no longer pure. BTW, do they not
> use distilled water in IV solutions?
>
No. Dextrose and saline soultions are the base almost all IV fluids. We
choose which fluid based on where we want "water" to go in the body. If
I give you a solution with low solute, it will move into cells (that
already have a higher solute level) and leave the vascular system. I
give a different choice of fluids if I want the fluid to strictly be
circulating volume when you need fluid there but you don't need it to
move into the cells.

Dave Smith wrote:

> What if you add Alka Seltzer to distilled water. Some of the reports I
> checked out likened the leeching of minerals from the body to the soft
> drinks like Coke which, according to them, are made with distilled
> water. I am not a chemist, but it seems to me that distilled water
> mixed with Coca Cola syrup, a combination of real and artificial
> flavours, sugar and chemicals like phosphoric acid, is no longer
> distilled water. It is a solution.
>
Some of the lost minerals in the body from drinking sodas are that sodas
contain a high amount of phosphorous. Phosphorous and calcium are kept
inversely proportioned in the body and if you take in a lot of one, the
other one will drop to compensate. Calcium will be inhibited from
laying down on the bones in the presence of high phos.

Sheldon wrote:

> *Sterile* water... usually saline, perhaps some form of sugar, also
> contains other meds as well... there goes the distilled... may have
> started off as distilled water but then had 'medicinals' added. Not
> much medical use for pure water with IVs. And sterile water must be
> lableled sterile for IV use... often sterile water is clearly labled
> for inhalation and oral administration only. In other words it's not
> quite sterile enough for injection. There's a huge difference between
> distilled and sterile, and medically sterile... medically sterile for
> IV use typically has a rather short shelf life, perhaps a month or two,
> is hermetically sealed, and needs refrigeration.
>
When we want to give a bolus of "free water" we give a 5% Dextrose
solution. Because of the way it breaks down to free water once in the
system.
The only time I even see "sterile water" is a small 10mL vial used to
mix some drugs with. It is not ever used to hydrate the body via IV
fluid use.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> Goomba38 wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> > nancy (taking a new look at her ever-present seltzer)
>> >
>> Selzer isn't the same as distilled water which contains NO solutes.
>
> What if you add Alka Seltzer to distilled water. Some of the reports I
> checked out likened the leeching of minerals from the body to the soft
> drinks like Coke which, according to them, are made with distilled
> water. I am not a chemist, but it seems to me that distilled water
> mixed with Coca Cola syrup, a combination of real and artificial
> flavours, sugar and chemicals like phosphoric acid, is no longer
> distilled water. It is a solution.
>
>

Who cares? There's no reason to drink distilled water, unless you're in an
emergency situation and it's the only method available to you for purifying
the water supply.

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2006-10-17, JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>
>> I believe he was referring to people who buy water simply because the
>> particular name is stylish.
>
> I never said George was alone.
>
> Your assertion was perfectly illustrated recently on one of those tv
> network news magazines with a dead serious scam of boutique bottled
> water. Patrons were shown a professionally printed "water list"
> offering a half dozen high end (supposedly) bottled waters, some as
> high as $15 glass. The patrons were sucking it up, oohing and ahhing
> over how good each selection they tried was and which were better than
> the other. The kicker? ....I know you see it coming.... all bottles
> were being filled from the same garden hose out back!
>
> Dontchya just love it!
>
> nb

What's even sillier is that people do this in places where the tap water is
actually fabulous, like NYC. There, it's assumed that the pipes MUST be
filthy and "oh my gawd where does it come from?" Well, it happens to come
from some really gorgeous, clean reservoirs 150-200 miles away.