In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying that
he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from cloned
animals if those products reach grocery shelves.
Apparently that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats
or their products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats
that are not from cloned animals. According to the article:

"We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
anything other than healthy meat and milk."


http://www.ajc.com/health/content/sh...d.htmlBOB--Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:34:54 -0400, " BOB" > wrote:

>In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying that
>he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from cloned
>animals if those products reach grocery shelves.
>Apparently that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats
>or their products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats
>that are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
>
>"We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
>as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
>Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
>anything other than healthy meat and milk."
>
>
> http://www.ajc.com/health/content/sh...d.htmlBOB--Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List


"It looks like an electric shaver now
Where the court house used to be.
The grass is all synthetic
And we don't know for sure about the food.
About the only thing we know for sure
Is those steamboat whistle blues."

--John Hartford
--
modom

"Southern barbecue is a proud thoroughbred whose bloodlines are easily traced.
Texas Barbecue is a feisty mutt with a whole lot of crazy relatives."

--Robb Walsh, Legends of Texas Barbecue Cookbook

In article >,
" BOB" > wrote:

> In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying that
> he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from cloned
> animals if those products reach grocery shelves.
> Apparently that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats
> or their products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats
> that are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
>
> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> anything other than healthy meat and milk."

While I DO have issues with Genetically altered foods, I have no problem
with genetically _copied_ foods. ;-)

What is wrong with cloned animals other than the fact that they don't
generally live as long?
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

BOB wrote:

> In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying
> that he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from
> cloned animals if those products reach grocery shelves. Apparently
> that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats or their
> products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats that
> are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
>
> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> anything other than healthy meat and milk."

Offhand, I'd say this would improve the sales of companies which labels
their products "Not from cloned animals."

And of organic meat.

And probably of kosher meat. There's nothing in the rules against
cloned animals, but there's nothing saying they _are_ kosher either.
There will be a period of discussion, which could go on for decades.

Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably be
vat-grown. And perhaps someday, the words William Safire once saw on a
restaurant menu will mean what they say:

"Our chef proudly serves his own liver."

--
Dan Goodman
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.
Journal http://dsgood.livejournal.com
Links http://del.icio.us/dsgood
Blog http://dsgood.googlepages.com

BOB wrote:
> In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying that
> he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from cloned
> animals if those products reach grocery shelves.
> Apparently that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats
> or their products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats
> that are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
>
> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> anything other than healthy meat and milk."

<gag>

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good vegetarian cookbook?

Dan Goodman wrote:
> Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably be
> vat-grown.

They are whole animals. Not genertically engineered in the classical
sense, but copies of the cow from which the initial cells arose. True
clones.

-L.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> While I DO have issues with Genetically altered foods, I have no problem
> with genetically _copied_ foods. ;-)
>
> What is wrong with cloned animals other than the fact that they don't
> generally live as long?

Doesn't that tell you something? If they were *exact* clones wouldn't
they live as long? We don't know that are true "copies". I wonder what
else is screwed up in the process?

"George" > wrote in message
news
> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>> While I DO have issues with Genetically altered foods, I have no problem
>> with genetically _copied_ foods. ;-)
>>
>> What is wrong with cloned animals other than the fact that they don't
>> generally live as long?
>
> Doesn't that tell you something? If they were *exact* clones wouldn't they
> live as long? We don't know that are true "copies". I wonder what else is
> screwed up in the process?

I just finished a book about the first CIA team to enter Afghanistan after
9/11, to bribe the appropriate tribal leaders so they'd pretend to like our
soldiers when they arrive. The CIA's followed by a small special ops team
whose primary function is to laser-designate Taliban targets for air
attacks. To impress one tribal leader, they arrange for a 1500 lb bomb to be
dropped on a Taliban hideout. Just one problem: The soldier gives the wrong
coordinates, and the bomb, which visually mimics a nuclear explosion, is
dropped on the soldiers belonging to the guy they're trying to impress.

Why am I saying this? Because it's just as likely that at some point, it'll
be discovered that meat was cloned from 3 cows which had mad cow disease.

Dan Goodman wrote:
> BOB wrote:
>
> > In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying
> > that he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from
> > cloned animals if those products reach grocery shelves. Apparently
> > that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats or their
> > products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats that
> > are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
> >
> > "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> > as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> > Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> > anything other than healthy meat and milk."
>
> Offhand, I'd say this would improve the sales of companies which labels
> their products "Not from cloned animals."

There'll be a regulation forbidding this process. Didn't they try to
prevent milk producers from labelling milk as NOT being from BGH
treated cows?

>
> And of organic meat.
>
> And probably of kosher meat. There's nothing in the rules against
> cloned animals, but there's nothing saying they _are_ kosher either.
> There will be a period of discussion, which could go on for decades.


This will lead to a schism among Jewish halachic circles. The Reform
will accept it gladly, the Conservative will eat it, but only in your
home or in a restaurant. The Orthodox will split over it after a long
time. The greatest amount of cloned meat eaten by Jews will be in
Chinese restaurants on Yom Kippur (when Kosher delis are closed).

>
> Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably be
> vat-grown. And perhaps someday, the words William Safire once saw on a

Why grow the whole animal, when people only want to eat the tenderloin?

> restaurant menu will mean what they say:
>
> "Our chef proudly serves his own liver."

Reminds me of (who? Captain Black?) in Catch-22: "Eat your liver."

>
> --
> Dan Goodman

-bwg
In memory of Anna Politkovskaya

Dan Goodman wrote:
> BOB wrote:
>
> > In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying
> > that he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from
> > cloned animals if those products reach grocery shelves. Apparently
> > that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats or their
> > products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats that
> > are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
> >
> > "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> > as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> > Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> > anything other than healthy meat and milk."
>
> Offhand, I'd say this would improve the sales of companies which labels
> their products "Not from cloned animals."

There'll be a regulation forbidding this process. Didn't they try to
prevent milk producers from labelling milk as NOT being from BGH
treated cows?

>
> And of organic meat.
>
> And probably of kosher meat. There's nothing in the rules against
> cloned animals, but there's nothing saying they _are_ kosher either.
> There will be a period of discussion, which could go on for decades.


This will lead to a schism among Jewish halachic circles. The Reform
will accept it gladly, the Conservative will eat it, but only in your
home or in a restaurant. The Orthodox will split over it after a long
time. The greatest amount of cloned meat eaten by Jews will be in
Chinese restaurants on Yom Kippur (when Kosher delis are closed).

>
> Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably be
> vat-grown. And perhaps someday, the words William Safire once saw on a

Why grow the whole animal, when people only want to eat the tenderloin?

> restaurant menu will mean what they say:
>
> "Our chef proudly serves his own liver."

Reminds me of (who? Captain Black?) in Catch-22: "Eat your liver."

>
> --
> Dan Goodman

-bwg
In memory of Anna Politkovskaya

In article >,
George > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > While I DO have issues with Genetically altered foods, I have no problem
> > with genetically _copied_ foods. ;-)
> >
> > What is wrong with cloned animals other than the fact that they don't
> > generally live as long?
>
> Doesn't that tell you something? If they were *exact* clones wouldn't
> they live as long? We don't know that are true "copies". I wonder what
> else is screwed up in the process?

With cloning, the animal goes thru a complete birth and growth process.

Sorry, but I have no problem with cloned animals so long as the original
genetics are not altered.

The ONLY reason that they don't live as long seems to be based on the
original age of the cell donor.

The baby animal is born as the same cellular age as the original cell
donor.

Or so I have read.......
--
Peace, Om

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In article >, " BOB" > writes:
> In this press release, a senior FDA official was quoted as saying that
> he saw no reason to place special labels on milk and meat from cloned
> animals if those products reach grocery shelves.
> Apparently that will be the case. There will be no lableling of meats
> or their products of cloned animals that distinguishes them from meats
> that are not from cloned animals. According to the article:
>
> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> anything other than healthy meat and milk."

Right. The consumer will accept it because they won't be able to
identify it as being cloned. Self-fulfilling prophecy at it's worst. What a
jerk.

- Sharon, "You'll eat it and you'll like it!"
"Gravity... is a harsh mistress!"

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> What is wrong with cloned animals other than the fact that they don't
> generally live as long?

I don't know from the standpoint of eating them. As a farmer, I can't
say they'd make good sense. Nature invented biodiversity for a reason.
I understand the argument is if you have good milk producer, then
clone her and get a whole herd of good milk producers. But if you have
a whole herd of identical cows, then one disease they're not resistant
to can wipe them all out. Isn't shrinking biodiversity one of the
current problems with banana production?

--Charlene

--
If you give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. If you give a man a
stick of TNT, there will be little unidentifiable fish parts all over
the village. -- Jack Handy


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-L. wrote:

>
> Dan Goodman wrote:
> > Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably
> > be vat-grown.
>
> They are whole animals.

That's what's being done NOW.

But technology can probably improve on that. Why waste resources on
growing the parts which aren't edible and don't sell for very much?



--
Dan Goodman
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.
Journal http://dsgood.livejournal.com
Links http://del.icio.us/dsgood
Blog http://dsgood.googlepages.com

"Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
. net...
> -L. wrote:
>
>>
>> Dan Goodman wrote:
>> > Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably
>> > be vat-grown.
>>
>> They are whole animals.
>
> That's what's being done NOW.
>
> But technology can probably improve on that. Why waste resources on
> growing the parts which aren't edible and don't sell for very much?
>
>
>
> --
> Dan Goodman

There is no part of a cow that goes to waste. Parts that aren't edible are
turned into all sorts of products.


Ms P

ms_peacock wrote:
> "Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> -L. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dan Goodman wrote:
>>>> Of course, if cloned meat ever really catches on, it will probably
>>>> be vat-grown.
>>>
>>> They are whole animals.
>>
>> That's what's being done NOW.
>>
>> But technology can probably improve on that. Why waste resources on
>> growing the parts which aren't edible and don't sell for very much?
>>
>> Dan Goodman
>
> There is no part of a cow that goes to waste. Parts that aren't
> edible are turned into all sorts of products.
>
>
> Ms P

Not to mention what is deemed "edible" (in any animal) by one culture isn't
necessarily true for all. I happen to love steak & (beef) kidney pie. I
haven't seen kidneys even at the few remaining private butcher shops in the
Memphis area in years and years. This isn't genetically altered meat; it's
cloned animals. Been coming for a long, long time.

In the last couple of decades there's been this trend of leaner pork. I
happen to think they are messing with genetics since I never saw a skinny
hog until fairly recently. But the point is, label or no label, if I don't
want to eat it I don't have to.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> But the point is, label or no label, if I don't
> want to eat it I don't have to.
>
> Jill

That makes no sense what-so-ever. If it isn't labeled you will have no
idea of whether it is cloned or not.

-L.

-L. wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> But the point is, label or no label, if I don't
>> want to eat it I don't have to.
>>
>> Jill
>
> That makes no sense what-so-ever. If it isn't labeled you will have
> no idea of whether it is cloned or not.
>
> -L.

The OP stated the FDA dude said it doesn't *have* to be labelled as cloned.
So cloned or not cloned, you either try it, like it and buy it again or you
don't like it and don't buy it again. That's all I meant. You'll note the
time I posted that; I'd been up all night worrying over something else,
actually, so I'm sure I didn't make much sense

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> -L. wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> But the point is, label or no label, if I don't
>>> want to eat it I don't have to.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> That makes no sense what-so-ever. If it isn't labeled you will have
>> no idea of whether it is cloned or not.
>>
>> -L.
>
> The OP stated the FDA dude said it doesn't *have* to be labelled as
> cloned.
> So cloned or not cloned, you either try it, like it and buy it again or
> you
> don't like it and don't buy it again. That's all I meant. You'll note
> the
> time I posted that; I'd been up all night worrying over something else,
> actually, so I'm sure I didn't make much sense
>
> Jill
>
>

If it does not *have* to be labeled, how many companies do you think *will*
label it?

BOB wrote:

> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> anything other than healthy meat and milk."
>
>
> http://www.ajc.com/health/content/sh...d.htmlBOB--Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List

I would rather have a replicated meat, not cloned.
huge difference.

That's where for example; we scan one steak and build another beside
it.. it has the same atomic detail as the original.

It would take an un-imaginable amount of computing power to
successfully scan every detail of a steak
and really! so far.. Physicists have carried out successful
teleportation with particles of light over a distance of 600m across
the River Danube in Austria. The only thing with teleportation (which
is not replication).. in order to even successfully teleport an object,
you have to destroy the original.
this would still only leave one steak.

http://tinyurl.com/5btrg


We're living in the wrong MM

That's ok! it's beautiful out today! going out to breathe some of it in.

naked on the phone said...

>
> BOB wrote:
>
>> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
>> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
>> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
>> anything other than healthy meat and milk."
>>
>>
>> http://www.ajc.com/health/content/sh...Medical/Cloned
>> _Food.htmlBOB--Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List
>
> I would rather have a replicated meat, not cloned.
> huge difference.
>
> That's where for example; we scan one steak and build another beside
> it.. it has the same atomic detail as the original.
>
> It would take an un-imaginable amount of computing power to
> successfully scan every detail of a steak
> and really! so far.. Physicists have carried out successful
> teleportation with particles of light over a distance of 600m across
> the River Danube in Austria. The only thing with teleportation (which
> is not replication).. in order to even successfully teleport an
> object, you have to destroy the original.
> this would still only leave one steak.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5btrg
>
>
> We're living in the wrong MM
>
> That's ok! it's beautiful out today! going out to breathe some of it
> in.


I went to the FDA web site directly and couldn't find any such claims
about cloning meat for human consumption.

The ajc didn't even site the news agency that dispersed this mis-
information.

It's BS!!! It's just not going to happen!!!

Andy

Andy wrote:
> naked on the phone said...
>
> >
> > BOB wrote:
> >
> >> "We feel like the average consumer is going to accept this technology
> >> as we move forward," said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry
> >> Organization. "There will not be a label that will indicate this is
> >> anything other than healthy meat and milk."
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.ajc.com/health/content/sh...Medical/Cloned
> >> _Food.htmlBOB--Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List
> >
> > I would rather have a replicated meat, not cloned.
> > huge difference.
> >
> > That's where for example; we scan one steak and build another beside
> > it.. it has the same atomic detail as the original.
> >
> > It would take an un-imaginable amount of computing power to
> > successfully scan every detail of a steak
> > and really! so far.. Physicists have carried out successful
> > teleportation with particles of light over a distance of 600m across
> > the River Danube in Austria. The only thing with teleportation (which
> > is not replication).. in order to even successfully teleport an
> > object, you have to destroy the original.
> > this would still only leave one steak.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/5btrg
> >
> >
> > We're living in the wrong MM
> >
> > That's ok! it's beautiful out today! going out to breathe some of it
> > in.
>
>
> I went to the FDA web site directly and couldn't find any such claims
> about cloning meat for human consumption.

I hear ya, Bob posted that not me

> The ajc didn't even site the news agency that dispersed this mis-
> information.
>
> It's BS!!! It's just not going to happen!!!

cloning meat for consumption? ha! it's already on the market

I'd bet my left.. uh.. mouse button, we're already eating it

it's aaall about large money see

now my post was about replication and teleportation, just something
interesting I thought I'd share
>
> Andy

naked on the phone said...

> I'd bet my left.. uh.. mouse button, we're already eating it


Bet your left brain, obviously!

Andy

Andy wrote:

> Bet your left brain, obviously!
>

heheh, oh no.. i've just started to tweak that side pretty good.
but I am right handed

for about 3 years, until recently, I had been using two computers a
mouse in each hand
(for music studio)... at first it was like writing with your wrong
hand, but it gets easier fast. the secret is.. go slow... quality is
better than quantity

but now, I can just grab a mouse with either hand and work just as well
I also do this with the sustain pedal on a piano, either foot now has a
mind
of it's own.. it just knows when to sustain or release...

Most great pianist use their left foot.. it has everything to do with
facing the audience..
turning almost sideways away from the keys.

On Oct 21, 2006, Andy wrote:

> I went to the FDA web site directly and
> couldn't find any such claims
> about cloning meat for human
> consumption.

> The ajc didn't even site the news
> agency that dispersed this mis-
> information.
>
> It's BS!!! It's just not going to happen!!!
>

I can't tell whether you're serious. All
I have seen is this:

>From the San Jose Mercury News of
Thursday, October 19, 2006 by Rick
Weiss of the Washington Post:

CLONING PRODUCTS RAISE EYEBROWS

Subtle Questions of Religion, Ethics and Animal Welfare

Washington - With federal officials close to
approving the sale of meat and milk from
cloned livestock and their offspring...

KevinS said...

> On Oct 21, 2006, Andy wrote:
>
>> I went to the FDA web site directly and
>> couldn't find any such claims
>> about cloning meat for human
>> consumption.
>
>> The ajc didn't even site the news
>> agency that dispersed this mis-
>> information.
>>
>> It's BS!!! It's just not going to happen!!!
>>
>
> I can't tell whether you're serious. All
> I have seen is this:

---

KevinS,

There comes a point where if you can't tell the truth from fiction that
you've surely become a lemming.

Andy

On Oct 21, 2006 Andy wrote:


> KevinS,

> There comes a point where if you can't tell the truth from fiction that
> you've surely become a lemming.

That statement is also obscure. You
appeared to question whether this has been reported. I'm merely
pointing out that it has been reported
in mainstream media. Whether it's
true is a different question. I don't
know whether it's true. Even if it's
true, I doubt that I'd care.

Regards.

Andy wrote:
> KevinS,
>
> There comes a point where if you can't tell the truth from fiction that
> you've surely become a lemming.

Cows and sheep have been cloned for 10 years or more - pigs, too. It's
inevitable that they will find a way to the marketplace. A friend of
mine worked on the first cloned cow that Purdue Univ. produced, and
that was back in the early-mid-90's.

-L.

-L. wrote:

> Cows and sheep have been cloned for 10 years or more - pigs, too. It's
> inevitable that they will find a way to the marketplace. A friend of
> mine worked on the first cloned cow that Purdue Univ. produced, and
> that was back in the early-mid-90's.
>
> -L.

I can make a girl or boy child
and it's very fun

requires no money, could take all night though