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Christine wrote:
> The other day at Kamel I had some delicious grilled asparagus with fetta > cheese and quince paste - the combination worked a treat. This sounds interesting. How was it presented? Bob |
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Omelet wrote:
> > I don't serve fish as often as I ought to, mainly because of the price. > > If I'm going to splurge for $5.00 per lb. I generally buy shrimp! if I could get shrimp for $5 per pound I would be eating a heck of a lot more of it. |
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Dave Smith > wrote: > Omelet wrote: > > > I don't serve fish as often as I ought to, mainly because of the price. > > > > If I'm going to splurge for $5.00 per lb. I generally buy shrimp! > > if I could get shrimp for $5 per pound I would be eating a heck > of a lot more of it. I have been. ;-) I can routinely get fresh frozen cocktail sized for that price and the larger ones on sale. I've been paying around $7.00 per lb. from time to time recently to indulge in some jumbos. About 20 to 22 per lb. based on my count at home. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote: > The "shoulda-coulda-woulda" discussion went: > > >> I woulda grilled the shrimp shells on. > > > > I considered it... but it's SO messy to eat them that way! > > I guess it depends on how good the friends are. I do agree with Sheldon that > shell-on shrimp are better for grilling than shelled shrimp, and good > friends don't mind eating messily. Even so, Singapore chile crab is a LOT > messier, and I remember someone here mentioning that they'd made it for a > dinner party. If cooked hot and fast, why is shell on shrimp better? I've never noticed a difference when I have tried it. Really. This shrimp came out tender and juicy. > > > >> I woulda plated the hens as halves. > > > > I was trying to impress. ;-) > > I'm sure you DID impress. That's a LOT of food, and it all looks > mouth-watering. Thanks! I don't think that halves would have been as dramatic. That's the beauty of spatchcocking. > > Next time try this: Splay the chicken thighs outward and put the ear of corn > in between. (Why should Christine have the only pornographic chicken photo?) > ;-) > > Bob Yer bad. <lol> With some crowds, that'd work. With this pair, I think it would have gone over like a lead balloon! ;-o -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Cape Cod Bob > wrote: > Anyone who measures any ingredient in lemon-dill butter MUST be taught > to put away the damn measuring devices and TASTE. <lol> When I make lemon dill butter for dipping, (it's served melted in a dipping bowl for crab and shrimp), I use 1 stick of butter (4 oz. and it comes that way), the juice of one whole fresh lemon and a generous sprinkling of dried dill fronds, added until it looks "right". -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > In article >, > "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote: > > > The "shoulda-coulda-woulda" discussion went: > > > > >> I woulda grilled the shrimp shells on. > > > > > > I considered it... but it's SO messy to eat them that way! > > > > I guess it depends on how good the friends are. I do agree with Sheldon that > > shell-on shrimp are better for grilling than shelled shrimp, and good > > friends don't mind eating messily. Even so, Singapore chile crab is a LOT > > messier, and I remember someone here mentioning that they'd made it for a > > dinner party. > > If cooked hot and fast, why is shell on shrimp better? > I've never noticed a difference when I have tried it. Really. > > This shrimp came out tender and juicy. > > > > > > > >> I woulda plated the hens as halves. > > > > > > I was trying to impress. ;-) > > > > I'm sure you DID impress. That's a LOT of food, and it all looks > > mouth-watering. > > Thanks! > I don't think that halves would have been as dramatic. > That's the beauty of spatchcocking. > > > > > Next time try this: Splay the chicken thighs outward and put the ear of corn > > in between. (Why should Christine have the only pornographic chicken photo?) > > ;-) > > > > Bob > > Yer bad. <lol> > > With some crowds, that'd work. With this pair, I think it would have > gone over like a lead balloon! ;-o > -- > Peace, Om > > Remove _ to validate e-mails. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson "why is shell on shrimp better" It keeps people from overcooking them and the shells make a good stock. I buy mine shell on and deveined, because I live to far from the ocean to get them fresh and the shell helps protect them in the freezer. I do remove the shells for stock. When grilling, I butterfly the shrimp, add a thin slice of jalopeno pepper and wrap in cured pork product. Shell on is better, because I want the damned shells and I don't see the sense in paying more to have them removed. |
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"Muddle" > wrote: > "why is shell on shrimp better" I'm not sure either... That's what I was asking as well. > It keeps people from overcooking them and the shells make a good stock. I > buy mine shell on and deveined, because I live to far from the ocean to get > them fresh and the shell helps protect them in the freezer. I do remove the > shells for stock. So do I. My bag of shells is pretty full in the freezer right now so it's time to get some head-on shrimp for the final shrimp stock. I like to combine heads with shells for a richer stock. It's one stock I don't add any aromatics to! It's not needed. Fish head stock I treat just like any other meat stock by adding celery, ginger, garlic and onions. > When grilling, I butterfly the shrimp, add a thin slice > of jalopeno pepper and wrap in cured pork product. I've found that a good 24 hour oil based marinade works fine to protect them from drying out. I used Italian dressing in this case and it's generally 1/2 Olive oil. > Shell on is better, because I want the damned shells and I don't see the > sense in paying more to have them removed. Plus it keeps them from drying out in the fish mongers display! I will only pay for head-on shrimp tho' when I want the heads for stock. I only buy them shell on/deviened when I can find them that way for a good price. Most of the time I devien them myself as I shell using a small sharp paring knife. When I'm in a hurry, I'll use peeled, deviened fresh frozen shrimp. They are not as good but they are acceptable. But, I'd never serve those to company! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > In article > , > "Muddle" > wrote: > > > "why is shell on shrimp better" > > I'm not sure either... > That's what I was asking as well. > > > It keeps people from overcooking them and the shells make a good stock. I > > buy mine shell on and deveined, because I live to far from the ocean to get > > them fresh and the shell helps protect them in the freezer. I do remove the > > shells for stock. > > So do I. My bag of shells is pretty full in the freezer right now so > it's time to get some head-on shrimp for the final shrimp stock. I like > to combine heads with shells for a richer stock. It's one stock I don't > add any aromatics to! It's not needed. Fish head stock I treat just like > any other meat stock by adding celery, ginger, garlic and onions. > > > When grilling, I butterfly the shrimp, add a thin slice > > of jalopeno pepper and wrap in cured pork product. > > I've found that a good 24 hour oil based marinade works fine to protect > them from drying out. I used Italian dressing in this case and it's > generally 1/2 Olive oil. > > > Shell on is better, because I want the damned shells and I don't see the > > sense in paying more to have them removed. > > Plus it keeps them from drying out in the fish mongers display! > I will only pay for head-on shrimp tho' when I want the heads for stock. > > I only buy them shell on/deviened when I can find them that way for a > good price. Most of the time I devien them myself as I shell using a > small sharp paring knife. > > When I'm in a hurry, I'll use peeled, deviened fresh frozen shrimp. They > are not as good but they are acceptable. But, I'd never serve those to > company! > -- > Peace, Om > > Remove _ to validate e-mails. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson I won't purchase them out of the fish mongers display. I live inland and shrimp sold inland are all flash frozen. They thaw them out to place in the display. Tell them you want the flash frozen 2 lb. bag not the decomposing display shrimp. They'll happily trot off and retrieve one with a bar code for you. If you don't live within 50 miles of the ocean you'll probably never see fresh shrimp unless you own a corporate jet. |
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"Muddle" > wrote: > I won't purchase them out of the fish mongers display. I live inland and > shrimp sold inland are all flash frozen. They thaw them out to place in the > display. Tell them you want the flash frozen 2 lb. bag not the decomposing > display shrimp. They'll happily trot off and retrieve one with a bar code > for you. If you don't live within 50 miles of the ocean you'll probably > never see fresh shrimp unless you own a corporate jet. All very true... and you are right. They are more than happy to get the flash frozen ones out for you. I was talking about the commercial bagged ones out on display in the freezer section. I'm dubious that they were treated properly, altho' I've never gotten bad ones. The trouble with those is the size. The bagged frozen ones I can get are all cocktail sized. When I want shrimp for company, they have to be at least thumb sized. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > In article >, > "Muddle" > wrote: > > > I won't purchase them out of the fish mongers display. I live inland and > > shrimp sold inland are all flash frozen. They thaw them out to place in the > > display. Tell them you want the flash frozen 2 lb. bag not the decomposing > > display shrimp. They'll happily trot off and retrieve one with a bar code > > for you. If you don't live within 50 miles of the ocean you'll probably > > never see fresh shrimp unless you own a corporate jet. > > All very true... and you are right. They are more than happy to get the > flash frozen ones out for you. > > I was talking about the commercial bagged ones out on display in the > freezer section. I'm dubious that they were treated properly, altho' > I've never gotten bad ones. > > The trouble with those is the size. The bagged frozen ones I can get are > all cocktail sized. When I want shrimp for company, they have to be at > least thumb sized. > -- > Peace, Om > > Remove _ to validate e-mails. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson It is sometimes hard to get decent sized shrimp these days. Then you see New Orleans commercial shrimp boat captains complaining about their customers purchasing, flash frozen, pond raised, South Vietnamese, Tiger Shrimp. Right there in yur Étouffée. |
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"Muddle" > wrote: > It is sometimes hard to get decent sized shrimp these days. Then you see > New Orleans commercial shrimp boat captains complaining about their > customers purchasing, flash frozen, pond raised, South Vietnamese, Tiger > Shrimp. Right there in yur Étouffée. It's not hard to get decent sized shrimp, it just tends to be expensive. ;-) The ones in that photo were a decent size for grilling even tho' a bit smaller than I'd like, but they were $5.99 per lb. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:04:19 -0600, Omelet >
wrote: >Worked out very well. :-) >My two guests dove into it eagerly but we still had a nice dinner >conversation... They actually consumed more of the meal than they or I >expected them to. <G> Guess it was good! > >Question, I don't entertain very often. How many people here send >leftovers home with dinner guests if they are good friends (and they >want them) and there is still plenty of fresh, unserved food available? All that food for only two guests?! You certainly treat your dinner guests well... when do I get my invite? :P The dinner plates look gorgeous! (and to jump down the thread, there's nothing wrong with using an oversized plate to serve as long as you realise just how BIG it is and don't expect anyone to fill it :P I think I would have quartered the game hens so they fitted on a regular-sized plate better, and cut the corn cobs in half before cooking them. The meal looks delicious but I couldn't have managed to eat half the plate! |
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Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Christine wrote: > > >> The other day at Kamel I had some delicious grilled asparagus with fetta >> cheese and quince paste - the combination worked a treat. >> > > This sounds interesting. How was it presented? > > Bob > > > Only just noticed your post! The asparagus were on a terra cotta plate (as is everything at Kamel), and the cheese and little cubes of quince paste were just scattered over. Very simple. Christine |
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Omelet > wrote in
news ![]() > In article >, > "Muddle" > wrote: > >> It is sometimes hard to get decent sized shrimp these days. Then you >> see New Orleans commercial shrimp boat captains complaining about >> their customers purchasing, flash frozen, pond raised, South >> Vietnamese, Tiger Shrimp. Right there in yur Étouffée. > > It's not hard to get decent sized shrimp, it just tends to be > expensive. ;-) > > The ones in that photo were a decent size for grilling even tho' a bit > smaller than I'd like, but they were $5.99 per lb. Lessee........ that works out to about $8 per 1/2kg, so $16 per kg...... about the same as we pay over here for medium imported prawns. -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia 'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran' |
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Om wondered:
>> "why is shell on shrimp better" > > I'm not sure either... > That's what I was asking as well. It provides protection from drying out and provides additional flavor. By the way, brining shrimp also does those two things, though some shrimp varieties are better for it than others. Bob |
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Steve Wertz wrote:
> > > I was at walmert the other day and noticed they're even enhancing > (brining) their "Fresh" shrimp. And they add phosphates too (to > retain the brine solution in the meat). > > They also have frozen sushi packed just like the fresh stuff (just > with an extra layer of shrink wrap). > > Just when you thought they couldn't get any lower. Given the way that Walmart treats its employees, its suppliers, "enhances" is meat and searches customer bags, there isn't much lower than even going to a WalMart store. I refuse to shop there. I don't want this to become a WalMart world. I wish everyone else would avoid that place too. |
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"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote: > Om wondered: > > >> "why is shell on shrimp better" > > > > I'm not sure either... > > That's what I was asking as well. > > It provides protection from drying out and provides additional flavor. By > the way, brining shrimp also does those two things, though some shrimp > varieties are better for it than others. > > Bob Brine? Shrimp? Aren't they already brined coming from the ocean? I must admit tho' that the one time we boiled crabs in fresh sea water when camping on the coast, they were sweeter than I remember crab ever being. I might have to try boiling shrimp in heavily salted water some time..... -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > In article >, > "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote: > > > Om wondered: > > > > >> "why is shell on shrimp better" > > > > > > I'm not sure either... > > > That's what I was asking as well. > > > > It provides protection from drying out and provides additional flavor. By > > the way, brining shrimp also does those two things, though some shrimp > > varieties are better for it than others. > > > > Bob > > Brine? > > Shrimp? > > Aren't they already brined coming from the ocean? > > I must admit tho' that the one time we boiled crabs in fresh sea water > when camping on the coast, they were sweeter than I remember crab ever > being. > > I might have to try boiling shrimp in heavily salted water some time..... > -- > Peace, Om > > Remove _ to validate e-mails. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson Not if you believe the current commercials coming from Bubba Gump. Most shrimp sold in the USA are inland pond raised T I double Guh ER shrimp from Asia. Right there in your Étouffée. Katrina, over fishing, fertilizer deposits, red algae outbreaks, dead zones, and chemical deposits from every upstream Mississippi river town have nothing to do with shrimp production or quality, according to those that think shrimp shouldn't be grown in huge plastic tanks like stocked rainbow trout. We can control the quality off our shrimp this way, what we can't control is how much hydrochloric acid your middle American neighbor dumps down his grease clogged drain pipes and it all ends up in the gulf. Every chemical everyone uses east of the continental divide and west of the Appalachia ends up in the Gulf of Mexico. Damned Mexicans, let's blame them! The ocean surrounding America is a cesspool and we need to move food production inland. Hell, you can't even swim at some beaches due to the water quality. Caution entering the ocean or eating the fish you catch will without any doubt whatsoever eventually kill you. Kepone fishing. Chemical Profile for CHLORDECONE (KEPONE) (CAS Number: 143-50-0). Human Health Hazards; Hazard Rankings; Chemical Use Profile ... |
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On 2006-11-16, Dave Smith > wrote:
> .....and searches customer bags ??? What's this? nb |
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Steve Wertz > wrote: > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:42:21 -0500, Dave Smith wrote: > > > Given the way that Walmart treats its employees, its suppliers, > > "enhances" is meat and searches customer bags, there isn't much > > lower than even going to a WalMart store. I refuse to shop > > there. I don't want this to become a WalMart world. I wish > > everyone else would avoid that place too. > > I've never seen WalMart try and search any bags. If they tried to > search my bags, like Fry's electronics does, I'd just keep > walking. They have no right to search my personal belongings. > They became my personal belongings when I paid for them at the > register. I cannot forfeit constitutional protections by shopping > at their store - no many how many signs they post claiming the > contrary. > > -sw If I set off their shoplifter alarms on my way out, they DO check the bags against the receipt. The first thing they look for is DVD's since those are the usual culprits. The manufacturers sometimes put more than one security device in them and the cashiers don't always get them all. <sigh> It's never delayed me from leaving the store for more than maybe 3 to 5 minutes so it's not been a big deal. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() notbob wrote: > > On 2006-11-16, Dave Smith > wrote: > > > .....and searches customer bags > > ??? What's this? Shopping bags :-) They have those "greeters" who want to check bags you are bringing into the store and staple them shut under the assumption that you will be shoplifting. |
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On 2006-11-16, Dave Smith > wrote:
> They have those "greeters" who want to check bags you are > bringing into the store and staple them shut under the > assumption that you will be shoplifting. Hmmm.... I've never seen a Walmart attached to other stores so didn't consider bringing bags into Walmart. nb |
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notbob > wrote: > On 2006-11-16, Dave Smith > wrote: > > > .....and searches customer bags > > ??? What's this? > > nb If you set off the alarm, they will check your bags against the payment receipt. I've had it happen a couple of times when a purchased DVD security device was not properly deactivated at the register. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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notbob wrote:
> > On 2006-11-16, Dave Smith > wrote: > > > They have those "greeters" who want to check bags you are > > bringing into the store and staple them shut under the > > assumption that you will be shoplifting. > > Hmmm.... I've never seen a Walmart attached to other stores so didn't > consider bringing bags into Walmart. The local one was attached to a mall. Last year they moved to a stand alone location. |
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Steve Wertz wrote:
> I can't buy anything at 7-11 because they want me to leave my back > pack at the front door. Yeah - right. DO they make all women > leave their purses at the front door? > > So much for innocent until proven guilty. I won't patronize > stores that accuse me of being a shoplifter as soon as I walk in > the door. Me neither. I once told the "greeter" that he could not look in my bag, and if they were afraid I was going to shop lift I don' have to shop in their store. That attitude is similar to some of the people you encounter in usenet, especially in the more political groups. They are quick to accuse others of lying, of making up facts or using multiple usernames. I am under the impression that they think there is something to those accusations because they use the same tactics themselves. Since they make up phoney factoids and find it so easy to lie, they assume that others do the same. |
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Dave Smith > wrote: > Steve Wertz wrote: > > > I can't buy anything at 7-11 because they want me to leave my back > > pack at the front door. Yeah - right. DO they make all women > > leave their purses at the front door? > > > > So much for innocent until proven guilty. I won't patronize > > stores that accuse me of being a shoplifter as soon as I walk in > > the door. > > Me neither. I once told the "greeter" that he could not look in > my bag, and if they were afraid I was going to shop lift I don' > have to shop in their store. > > That attitude is similar to some of the people you encounter in > usenet, especially in the more political groups. They are quick > to accuse others of lying, of making up facts or using multiple > usernames. I am under the impression that they think there is > something to those accusations because they use the same tactics > themselves. Since they make up phoney factoids and find it so > easy to lie, they assume that others do the same. Judging people by their own personal standards... I know what you mean. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > > If I set off their shoplifter alarms on my way out, they DO check the > bags against the receipt. The first thing they look for is DVD's since > those are the usual culprits. > > The manufacturers sometimes put more than one security device in them > and the cashiers don't always get them all. <sigh> > > It's never delayed me from leaving the store for more than maybe 3 to 5 > minutes so it's not been a big deal. > -- > Peace, Om > A month ago I set off the security alarm going into a store (Zellers). Security was going nuts looking for tho just (didn't) leave. Of course I set it off again when I attempted to leave. I just kept walking and no one seemed interested in the whole thing. I went back a little later and this time when the alarm went off (on the way in) I waited for the staff to get interested. Their first suggestion was that there was an active tag on something I had bought earlier. I pointed out the flaw in this argument - "I am outside, why wasn't I stopped in the first place?" We finally figured out that the problem was with something I had bought in another completely unrelated store. Ken. |
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"Ken Davey" > wrote: > "Omelet" > wrote in message > news ![]() > > > > If I set off their shoplifter alarms on my way out, they DO check the > > bags against the receipt. The first thing they look for is DVD's since > > those are the usual culprits. > > > > The manufacturers sometimes put more than one security device in them > > and the cashiers don't always get them all. <sigh> > > > > It's never delayed me from leaving the store for more than maybe 3 to 5 > > minutes so it's not been a big deal. > > -- > > Peace, Om > > > A month ago I set off the security alarm going into a store (Zellers). > Security was going nuts looking for tho just (didn't) leave. > Of course I set it off again when I attempted to leave. > I just kept walking and no one seemed interested in the whole thing. > I went back a little later and this time when the alarm went off (on the way > in) I waited for the staff to get interested. > Their first suggestion was that there was an active tag on something I had > bought earlier. > I pointed out the flaw in this argument - "I am outside, why wasn't I > stopped in the first place?" > We finally figured out that the problem was with something I had bought in > another completely unrelated store. > > Ken. Was it one of those security devices? Whenever I set off the alarm at HEB, they just ignore it as long as I stop... they wave me thru. They only chase people if they ignore it. They put those devices in some of the more expensive food products. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Ken Davey wrote:
> > > > A month ago I set off the security alarm going into a store (Zellers). > Security was going nuts looking for tho just (didn't) leave. > Of course I set it off again when I attempted to leave. > I just kept walking and no one seemed interested in the whole thing. > I went back a little later and this time when the alarm went off (on the way > in) I waited for the staff to get interested. > Their first suggestion was that there was an active tag on something I had > bought earlier. > I pointed out the flaw in this argument - "I am outside, why wasn't I > stopped in the first place?" > We finally figured out that the problem was with something I had bought in > another completely unrelated store. My wife used to have a coat that set off alarms on one particular store where we used to shop. I have no idea why, it was just the one coat, and old one, and that one store. I once set off an alarm in a lingerie store. I had bought a gift for my wife and had it gift wrapped. The manager of the store waited on me. She forgot to remove the security tag. She ended up having to carefully unwrap the box, remove the device and wrap everything up again. |
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Steve Wertz wrote:
> I've never seen WalMart try and search any bags. If they tried to > search my bags, like Fry's electronics does, I'd just keep > walking. They have no right to search my personal belongings. > They became my personal belongings when I paid for them at the > register. I cannot forfeit constitutional protections by shopping > at their store - no many how many signs they post claiming the > contrary. I've not only seen it, they tried it on me. I would not let them look. I suppose they have the right to bar me from their store if I refuse to surrender my right not to have my things searched. It is one of a growing number of reasons that I refuse to shop there and hope they and their abusive treatment of customers and suppliers goes down the tubes. It sad to think that hiring some old semi retired to greet the shoppers coming in with a smile can make up for the ways they squeeze more and more money from both ends. |
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![]() "Steve Wertz" > wrote in message ... >I take security tags off of certain items (the easier RFID tags to > unpeel) and stick them to people's shopping carts at the grocery > store. > > I notice most times the alarms go off, they just wave them on > through anyway. > > I don't understand the people who, when the alarm goes off, walk > back into the store. I just keep walking. If they want to make > the effort to "chase" me down, you can bet there's gonna be some > gift certificates to be passed out when they find out I'm legit > and accusing me of shoplifting. > > And you can bet I'm going to make a big scene, too. I live for > those kinds of moments. > > -sw You bad - I love it! Ken. |
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