sf wrote:
> Serene wrote:
>
> >I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they get
> >the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before they
> >go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it. Plus, I don't
> >mind washing dishes.
>
> If I didn't know better, I'd say you need a job and you need to cook
> more.... but you're just plain "different".

I think that's a bit harsh... what does having a job and cooking more
have to do with using a dishwasher?!?!?

> I hate washing dishes.

Many find washing dishes by hand relaxing, I do... I find it a very
good way to unwind after dealing with the harriedness of preparing a
meal and serving guests... while washing dishes by hand I can treat
myself to a peaceful hour of mindless reverie while perusing the
outdoors through my window.

>I
> break more dishes when my dishwasher is on the blink and I have to
> hand wash than during the entire time the dishwasher worked. That's a
> good enough reason to me to use a dishwasher,

Well, obviously you're a klutz.

>but I think it gets
> dishes a lot cleaner (and we stay healthier) than I do on my own.

How clean is clean? No one I know has a sterile kitchen, and dishes
when put away are certainly not individally hermetically sealed direct
from the autoclave... do you really think those dishes in your cuboard
are clean, they're certainly not, they're laden with microbial
colonies... it's the schmutz you can't see that can hurt you. Your
belief that you're dishwasher contributes to better health is utter
nonsense, unless otherwise you wouldn't wash dishes at all between
meals. If you want to talk "clean" than use disposables, paper plates
are actually sterile until you handle them.

Whether or not to use a dishwasher I think depends on life style, which
typically dictates quantity and type of dishes used (dishwashers ruin
quality dinnerware, flatware, and especially glassware). For folks
with large families or those who entertain a lot (but use cheapo
tableware) then I'd agree that a dishwasher is almost a necessity. But
for folks who live alone or are just a couple, and don't do much
entertaining, then a dishwasher can actually become a breeding ground
for germs while one waits for it to become full.

For many years I owned a dishwaher but never used it (when I say never
I mean never, never even turned it on to see if it works), but now that
I have six cats I typically run the dishwasher every other day, they
use far more dishes than me. And I still wash all pots by hand, pots
just do not fit well into a dishwasher) and my habit is to clean as I
go - as my meal is set on the table my entire kitchen is spotless. One
thing a dishwasher does a great job cleaning is the porcelainized
grates and drip pans of my gas stove, but still I often find I need to
wash some areas by hand afterwards. but it does remove the bulk of
cooked on crud and loosen the rest so it's easy to wash off by hand.

And dishwashers are not safe to use on fine porcelain and glassware,
not safe to use on highly polished flatware either... in a short time
they all become clouded from etching, dishwasher soap is much too harsh
for those items, they really need to be washed by hand. So for cheapo
everyday dishes a dishwasher is fine, if you generate enough that
you're not saving up dirty dishes for more than three days... then your
kitchen will stink like, um backed up septic (yoose thought I was gonna
say someone else, hehe).

Sheldon

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:32:53 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Serene > wrote:
>
>> Heh. Usually, I have at least two jobs (I'm down to two right now),
>> and I cook three hot meals a day, almost every day. Right now, I've
>> got ginger cookies in the oven.
>
>Heh.
>
>The most jobs I ever held at one time was 4...

:-) Me, too

>
>Mom was still alive back then tho' so she did most of the cooking etc.
>She lived here with me until she died and I took care of _her_ the last
>6 months of her life whens she became a total invalid. :-(

That's such hard, draining work. You're a good person.

Serene
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:34:26 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Serene > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
>> haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
>> dishes to be almost meditative.
>
>Ditto here.
>I wash dishes usually twice per day (or more as needed) and it takes me
>all of 5 minutes tops. I often use it to kill time when pans etc. are
>heating.
>
>When I'm cooking, I clean pots and utensils as I go so the kitchen is
>clean when I'm done except for the dishes being used to serve the meal.

On a good day, same here. When I just don't feel like it, they may
sit overnight. I try not to let that happen too often, but it does
happen.

And my partners are perfectly willing to wash dishes for me. One of
them does it without being asked, and the other will do them if asked.
Either way, it's not like I'm doing all the dishes in the house all
the time, but since I don't mind doing them, I tend to do most of
them.

Serene
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In article >,
Serene > wrote:

> >Mom was still alive back then tho' so she did most of the cooking etc.
> >She lived here with me until she died and I took care of _her_ the last
> >6 months of her life whens she became a total invalid. :-(
>
> That's such hard, draining work. You're a good person.
>
> Serene

I miss her.
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In article >,
Serene > wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:34:26 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Serene > wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
> >> haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
> >> dishes to be almost meditative.
> >
> >Ditto here.
> >I wash dishes usually twice per day (or more as needed) and it takes me
> >all of 5 minutes tops. I often use it to kill time when pans etc. are
> >heating.
> >
> >When I'm cooking, I clean pots and utensils as I go so the kitchen is
> >clean when I'm done except for the dishes being used to serve the meal.
>
> On a good day, same here. When I just don't feel like it, they may
> sit overnight. I try not to let that happen too often, but it does
> happen.

Well, sometimes an overnight soak is a good thing depending on what you
cooked. Water, the universal solvent!

>
> And my partners are perfectly willing to wash dishes for me. One of
> them does it without being asked, and the other will do them if asked.
> Either way, it's not like I'm doing all the dishes in the house all
> the time, but since I don't mind doing them, I tend to do most of
> them.
>
> Serene

I discourage dad from doing dishes. Sometimes he does not see so well so
I have to re-soak and do some over.

I'd rather do them myself in the first place! <G>
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:03:29 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Serene > wrote:
>
>> >Mom was still alive back then tho' so she did most of the cooking etc.
>> >She lived here with me until she died and I took care of _her_ the last
>> >6 months of her life whens she became a total invalid. :-(
>>
>> That's such hard, draining work. You're a good person.
>>
>> Serene
>
>I miss her.

I'll bet. There are people we never ever get over. Honestly, I call
my mom almost every day as much out of selfish reasons (to hoard the
contact with her while I can) as from any desire to make her happy.

Serene
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Chatty Cathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Vote now!
>

I miss my dishwasher. I hate washing dishes by hand.

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:05:33 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Serene > wrote:
>

>> On a good day, same here. When I just don't feel like it, they may
>> sit overnight. I try not to let that happen too often, but it does
>> happen.
>
>Well, sometimes an overnight soak is a good thing depending on what you
>cooked. Water, the universal solvent!

I don't cook much meat or dairy, so mostly I don't have problems with
stuff sticking on, and anything that might (noodles in the bottom of
the pan, or whatever), I clean right away so I won't have to scrape
and scrub later.

>> And my partners are perfectly willing to wash dishes for me. One of
>> them does it without being asked, and the other will do them if asked.
>> Either way, it's not like I'm doing all the dishes in the house all
>> the time, but since I don't mind doing them, I tend to do most of
>> them.
>
>I discourage dad from doing dishes. Sometimes he does not see so well so
>I have to re-soak and do some over.
>
>I'd rather do them myself in the first place! <G>

:-) James and Carin don't do dishes to my standards, but I remember what the
Flylady says, which is "Housework done incorrectly still blesses your
family," and I make myself let it go.

Serene
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In article >,
Serene > wrote:

> >I miss her.
>
> I'll bet. There are people we never ever get over. Honestly, I call
> my mom almost every day as much out of selfish reasons (to hoard the
> contact with her while I can) as from any desire to make her happy.
>
> Serene

That is good. :-)

We all have to bury our parents someday (and that sux) so we need to
treasure them while we can!
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In article >,
Serene > wrote:

> >Well, sometimes an overnight soak is a good thing depending on what you
> >cooked. Water, the universal solvent!
>
> I don't cook much meat or dairy, so mostly I don't have problems with
> stuff sticking on, and anything that might (noodles in the bottom of
> the pan, or whatever), I clean right away so I won't have to scrape
> and scrub later.

Sticky stuff in a large pot such as rice, beans or chili sometimes get a
soak even if it's just for a couple of hours...
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:23:53 -0800, Serene >
wrote:

>Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
>haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
>dishes to be almost meditative.

Don't tell me you like to mop floors too! LOLOLOL

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On 15 Nov 2006 08:33:29 -0800, "Sheldon" > wrote:

>For many years I owned a dishwaher but never used it (when I say never
>I mean never, never even turned it on to see if it works),

I know people like that. They don't use their garbage disposals
either. They say they're afraid the appliances will break (wear out)
and then they'll have to replace them. What a dumb reason for not
using things that make life easier. I'm tempted to ask them why they
don't beat their laundry against rocks to save on the washing machine.

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:09:05 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:23:53 -0800, Serene >
>wrote:
>
>>Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
>>haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
>>dishes to be almost meditative.
>
>Don't tell me you like to mop floors too! LOLOLOL

Heh. I don't love it, but I don't hate it, either. I can't really
think of a single housecleaning task that I hate in itself. The thing
I hate about housework is that feeling I get when there's a ton to be
done, and I feel overwhelmed by it all. But if I shake myself and get
into the "Just do one task for now, and don't worry about the whole
mess" mode, I can enjoy just standing there with my hands in the soapy
water, or just putting things back where they belong, or whatever. One
moment in this life is as valuable as another, and I do find joy
wherever I can, because after all, it'll all be over soon enough and I
won't have another chance.

Serene
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In article >,
Serene > wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:09:05 -0800, sf wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:23:53 -0800, Serene >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
> >>haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
> >>dishes to be almost meditative.
> >
> >Don't tell me you like to mop floors too! LOLOLOL
>
> Heh. I don't love it, but I don't hate it, either. I can't really
> think of a single housecleaning task that I hate in itself. The thing
> I hate about housework is that feeling I get when there's a ton to be
> done, and I feel overwhelmed by it all. But if I shake myself and get
> into the "Just do one task for now, and don't worry about the whole
> mess" mode, I can enjoy just standing there with my hands in the soapy
> water, or just putting things back where they belong, or whatever. One
> moment in this life is as valuable as another, and I do find joy
> wherever I can, because after all, it'll all be over soon enough and I
> won't have another chance.
>
> Serene

And the biggest joy is seeing the results. ;-)
A clean organized kitchen and living space when it's all done!

I have no carpet. Sweeping and mopping is a given.
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:17:05 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Serene > wrote:

>> Heh. I don't love it, but I don't hate it, either. I can't really
>> think of a single housecleaning task that I hate in itself. The thing
>> I hate about housework is that feeling I get when there's a ton to be
>> done, and I feel overwhelmed by it all. But if I shake myself and get
>> into the "Just do one task for now, and don't worry about the whole
>> mess" mode, I can enjoy just standing there with my hands in the soapy
>> water, or just putting things back where they belong, or whatever. One
>> moment in this life is as valuable as another, and I do find joy
>> wherever I can, because after all, it'll all be over soon enough and I
>> won't have another chance.

>And the biggest joy is seeing the results. ;-)

Yeah, sometimes. :-) Other times, and it may just be me, the joy is
in the doing, in the being present for the moments in my life when I'm
being useful.

>A clean organized kitchen and living space when it's all done!
>
>I have no carpet. Sweeping and mopping is a given.

We have no carpet, except in the bedroom. Sadly, sometimes that just
means we have a dirty floor. Sometimes, though, I do get around to
sweeping and mopping. :-)

Serene
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