Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> OMG ... The cost is staggering. The cabinets and backsplash I want are
> exorbitant, costwise. One light fixture is a designer fixture, it's $4,000
> by itself. The designer makes them himself. All told the new kitchen will
> cost $50 grand. Steven is balking big time. It was $24 grand when we first
> went into this but I started researching stuff and found several designers
> I liked. Natch I chose the most expensive ;( The granite counter tops will
> be the most expensive and the only thing Steven and I have agreed on.
> Sheesh... we'll get the money back if we sell the place ;o) Yeah right, I
> can see my obit "He died with his hand wrapped around a can of peas"
>
> Am I being insane or what? I'm not looking for a gourmet/commercial
> kitchen. Is $50 thousand that unreasonable? What have others spent?

Yes it is unreasonable. Don't do what the former owners of our house
did. They put so much money into it they couldn't recoup it at the
sale and ended up having to knock the price down $70K and do a "short
sale" of the house since there were 6 liens against it.

Scale back, compromise and choose beautiful but not ridiculous. Many
new owners will want to rip out things like light fixtures anyway, so
don't go overboard. Spend your money on nice countertops and flooring.

(I can sympathize though - I have very expensive tastes as well...)

-L.

>
> Michael
>
> --
> Health food may be good for the conscience but Oreos taste
> a hell of a lot better.
> - Robert Redford

>
> Yes it is unreasonable. Don't do what the former owners of our house
> did. They put so much money into it they couldn't recoup it at the
> sale and ended up having to knock the price down $70K and do a "short
> sale" of the house since there were 6 liens against it.
>
> Scale back, compromise and choose beautiful but not ridiculous. Many
> new owners will want to rip out things like light fixtures anyway, so
> don't go overboard. Spend your money on nice countertops and flooring.
>
> (I can sympathize though - I have very expensive tastes as well...)
>

Light fixtures are one area where it might be ok to go overboard (but
not $4k overboard). At least when you sell you can swap them out for a
less expensive fixture and take them with you. You won't be taking
counters and cabinets and built in appliances with you, unless you
happen to be in Europe where some strange stuff like that is "normal".

Pete C.

Oh pshaw, on Tue 28 Nov 2006 01:38:29p, Michael "Dog3" Lonergan meant to
say...

> "Pete C." > :
>
>>>
>>> Yes it is unreasonable. Don't do what the former owners of our house
>>> did. They put so much money into it they couldn't recoup it at the
>>> sale and ended up having to knock the price down $70K and do a "short
>>> sale" of the house since there were 6 liens against it.
>>>
>>> Scale back, compromise and choose beautiful but not ridiculous. Many
>>> new owners will want to rip out things like light fixtures anyway, so
>>> don't go overboard. Spend your money on nice countertops and flooring.
>>>
>>> (I can sympathize though - I have very expensive tastes as well...)
>>>
>>
>> Light fixtures are one area where it might be ok to go overboard (but
>> not $4k overboard). At least when you sell you can swap them out for a
>> less expensive fixture and take them with you. You won't be taking
>> counters and cabinets and built in appliances with you, unless you
>> happen to be in Europe where some strange stuff like that is "normal".
>>
>> Pete C.
>
> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is Jewish
> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
strawberry
> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table.

And the table looks like shortcake? :-)

My brother that
> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>
> Michael
>



--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>
> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is Jewish
> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a strawberry
> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>

Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find yourself
in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?

MU hahahaha!

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>>
>> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
>> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is Jewish
>> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
>> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
>> strawberry
>> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
>> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>>
>
> Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find yourself
> in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
>
> So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?
>
> MU hahahaha!
>

They control all the money, the U.S. government, and the entire
entertainment industry. (Just thought I'd add some tin foil hat / black
helicopters on the horizon nonsense, for no particular reason).

Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > :
>
> >>
> >> Yes it is unreasonable. Don't do what the former owners of our house
> >> did. They put so much money into it they couldn't recoup it at the
> >> sale and ended up having to knock the price down $70K and do a "short
> >> sale" of the house since there were 6 liens against it.
> >>
> >> Scale back, compromise and choose beautiful but not ridiculous. Many
> >> new owners will want to rip out things like light fixtures anyway, so
> >> don't go overboard. Spend your money on nice countertops and flooring.
> >>
> >> (I can sympathize though - I have very expensive tastes as well...)
> >>
> >
> > Light fixtures are one area where it might be ok to go overboard (but
> > not $4k overboard). At least when you sell you can swap them out for a
> > less expensive fixture and take them with you. You won't be taking
> > counters and cabinets and built in appliances with you, unless you
> > happen to be in Europe where some strange stuff like that is "normal".
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is Jewish
> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a strawberry
> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>

Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
them. Seems a bit bizarre to me, but then a lot of the "Euro" stuff is
that way.

Pete C.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>>>
>>> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
>>> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is
>>> Jewish
>>> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
>>> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
>>> strawberry
>>> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
>>> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>>>
>>
>> Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find yourself
>> in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
>>
>> So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?
>>
>> MU hahahaha!
>>
>
> They control all the money, the U.S. government, and the entire
> entertainment industry. (Just thought I'd add some tin foil hat / black
> helicopters on the horizon nonsense, for no particular reason).
Mikey was smart to marry a Jew. You know how those people are
about money, and Mikey--and "Mom," who "hits Spain" both like
money more than just about anything from what I can see. So I
bet there was no objection to this match.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
>>>> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is
>>>> Jewish
>>>> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
>>>> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
>>>> strawberry
>>>> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
>>>> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find
>>> yourself
>>> in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
>>>
>>> So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?
>>>
>>> MU hahahaha!
>>>
>>
>> They control all the money, the U.S. government, and the entire
>> entertainment industry. (Just thought I'd add some tin foil hat / black
>> helicopters on the horizon nonsense, for no particular reason).
> Mikey was smart to marry a Jew. You know how those people are
> about money, and Mikey--and "Mom," who "hits Spain" both like
> money more than just about anything from what I can see. So I
> bet there was no objection to this match.

You might do well to not pursue those thoughts any further, although I'm
100% sure you don't understand why.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
>>>>> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is
>>>>> Jewish
>>>>> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
>>>>> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
>>>>> strawberry
>>>>> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
>>>>> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find
>>>> yourself
>>>> in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
>>>>
>>>> So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?
>>>>
>>>> MU hahahaha!
>>>>
>>>
>>> They control all the money, the U.S. government, and the entire
>>> entertainment industry. (Just thought I'd add some tin foil hat / black
>>> helicopters on the horizon nonsense, for no particular reason).
>> Mikey was smart to marry a Jew. You know how those people are
>> about money, and Mikey--and "Mom," who "hits Spain" both like
>> money more than just about anything from what I can see. So I
>> bet there was no objection to this match.
>
> You might do well to not pursue those thoughts any further, although I'm
> 100% sure you don't understand why.

Blow it out your flabby ass, Joe. It's sarcasm. You are such an idiot.
In fact, you are the worst kind of idiot: the one who assumes everyone else
is even dumber than you are. I feel 100% sure you will not understand,
so let me explain it to you.

*Michael* made the statement " Steven is Jewish and much more practical than
I am."

It reeks of racism, and brings to mind other stereotype about Jews, which I
then
voiced. As did you. You condescending asshole.

There now, are you happy, you ignoramus?

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
>>>>>> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is
>>>>>> Jewish
>>>>>> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
>>>>>> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
>>>>>> strawberry
>>>>>> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
>>>>>> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find
>>>>> yourself
>>>>> in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
>>>>>
>>>>> So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?
>>>>>
>>>>> MU hahahaha!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They control all the money, the U.S. government, and the entire
>>>> entertainment industry. (Just thought I'd add some tin foil hat / black
>>>> helicopters on the horizon nonsense, for no particular reason).
>>> Mikey was smart to marry a Jew. You know how those people are
>>> about money, and Mikey--and "Mom," who "hits Spain" both like
>>> money more than just about anything from what I can see. So I
>>> bet there was no objection to this match.
>>
>> You might do well to not pursue those thoughts any further, although I'm
>> 100% sure you don't understand why.
>
> Blow it out your flabby ass, Joe. It's sarcasm. You are such an idiot.
> In fact, you are the worst kind of idiot: the one who assumes everyone
> else
> is even dumber than you are. I feel 100% sure you will not understand,
> so let me explain it to you.
>
> *Michael* made the statement " Steven is Jewish and much more practical
> than I am."
>
> It reeks of racism, and brings to mind other stereotype about Jews, which
> I then
> voiced. As did you. You condescending asshole.
>
> There now, are you happy, you ignoramus?
>

Put the cap on the bottle right now. Better yet, pour the rest down the
drain.

Pete C. wrote:

> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
> them.

Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:56:54 -0500, Goomba38 >
wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
> > visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
> > fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
> > them.
>
> Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.

Mine as well. When you furnish a place there, you REALLY furnish it.
We had to buy appliances, countertops, a sink, and cabinets for the
kitchen, and put in light fixtures throughout the rest of the
apartment. Oh -- and no closets, so we had to buy wardrobes too.
Expensive! Small apartments for first-time renters, like students,
tended to come with furnished kitchens (at least where we were), but
that was about it.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
>> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
>> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
>> them.
>
> Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.

I had heard of that before, too, maybe on some real estate show or
another. Question: are the cabinets attached to the wall the way they
are here? Seems weird to be taking them down, and what are the
odds they'd fit just right in someone's new place?

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> I had heard of that before, too, maybe on some real estate show or
> another. Question: are the cabinets attached to the wall the way they
> are here? Seems weird to be taking them down, and what are the
> odds they'd fit just right in someone's new place?
>
You could go to places like Ikea and buy cabinets to attach to the
walls, but also commonly used were the independently standing cabinets.
My apartment kitchen had one small bar sized sink with a metal
drainboard (perhaps 18 inches worth) but no shelves, cabinets,
appliances or lighting fixtures.

Pete C. wrote:

>
> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
> them. Seems a bit bizarre to me, but then a lot of the "Euro" stuff is
> that way.
>
> Pete C.


They can take them because in many older houses their cabinets are
free-standing furniture rather than built-ins. Same way with
closets--they often use armoires for clothing storage rather than
walk-in closets.

gloria p

cybercat PUKES:

> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "cybercat" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
> >>>
> >>> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
> >>> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is
> >>> Jewish
> >>> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
> >>> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a
> >>> strawberry
> >>> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
> >>> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bill Clinton has a little thing he says, it goes, "When you find yourself
> >> in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
> >>
> >> So Jews are pretty frugal, eh, Mikey?
> >>
> >> MU hahahaha!
> >>
> >
> > They control all the money, the U.S. government, and the entire
> > entertainment industry. (Just thought I'd add some tin foil hat / black
> > helicopters on the horizon nonsense, for no particular reason).
> Mikey was smart to marry a Jew. You know how those people are
> about money, and Mikey--and "Mom," who "hits Spain" both like
> money more than just about anything from what I can see. So I
> bet there was no objection to this match.


Just so you know, you can go crawl back under yer rock for what anyone
here cares...and while yer at it take your moronically loquacious
friend "L" with you, you are both the absolute rock - bottom DREGS of
the current crop of rfc posters here. NO one here would miss yer
nonsensical bibble - babble...even Charlie McCarthy wouldn't dare deign
to use you two for firewood.

--
Best
Greg

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Goomba38" > wrote
>
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >
> >> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
> >> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
> >> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
> >> them.
> >
> > Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.
>
> I had heard of that before, too, maybe on some real estate show or
> another. Question: are the cabinets attached to the wall the way they
> are here? Seems weird to be taking them down, and what are the
> odds they'd fit just right in someone's new place?

They typically don't use wall cabinets, they have just shelves on the
walls... sometimes with a curtain. The lower cabinets just set on the
floor, not attached at all.... and not very many. For most of the
European population the kitchen is extremely utilitarian, and tiny by
US standards.. You're not going to find the kind of appliances
Americans are accustomed to either... even the poorest welfare folks in
the US live like royalty compared to the average folks in the rest of
the world. Nancy, many don't yet have indoor plumbing, in fact the
vast majority of the world population not only has no indoor
facilities, they've never in their life sat on a flush terlit, let
alone seen one. When I traveled in Europe most regular folks just had
a hole they
squatted over... once or twice a day someone dumped a bucket of water
down the hole... adn in most locales taht hole led to pipe that let out
at the curb... folks pray for rain other than for the crops.

in Central America most people live in mud huts with dirt floors and
thatched roofs, no plumbing, no electric, no kitchen... all cooking was
done communally outdoors over an open wood fire... they do every day
for real what Ameicans pay big bucks trying to emmulate, to wit: bbq...
and we with all our $3,500 stainless steel grills, store bought
characoal, USDA meats, and Penzyes spices don't come anywhere close to
the real deal... compared to the real deal any bbq and chili made in
the US it tantamount to box mac n' cheese and chef boyardee... yoose
are all doing the same awful copy each other cookie cutter style crap.
Americans and Eropeans don't even know how to makle decent wine, yoose
all copy each other, most tastes alike... the best wines, the most
delicious wines are made with ripe rare tropical fruits... wines made
with grapes is like concord grape jelly... grape wine is all boring...
and yoose pay big bucks for grape wine so long as it's in a properly
labled bottle and poured in a fercocktah ritual into stemware worth
more than the clothes you're wearing. I've gotten shit faced on cashew
fruit wine out of an old pepsie bottle that would put any grape wine on
the planet to shame regardless of price. It's no more possible to make
decent wine from grapes than it is to make decent ice cream from fat
free milk. Just because a bunch of faggoty french morons go orgasmic
sniffing and licking their lips over a glass of Eau de Welches Estate
89 doesn't mean it has any more class than that purple goop your kids
mix with Skippy.

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Goomba38" > wrote
>>
>> > Pete C. wrote:
>> >
>> >> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
>> >> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
>> >> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
>> >> them.
>> >
>> > Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.
>>
>> I had heard of that before, too, maybe on some real estate show or
>> another. Question: are the cabinets attached to the wall the way they
>> are here? Seems weird to be taking them down, and what are the
>> odds they'd fit just right in someone's new place?
>
> They typically don't use wall cabinets, they have just shelves on the
> walls... sometimes with a curtain. The lower cabinets just set on the
> floor, not attached at all.... and not very many. For most of the
> European population the kitchen is extremely utilitarian, and tiny by
> US standards.. You're not going to find the kind of appliances
> Americans are accustomed to either... even the poorest welfare folks in
> the US live like royalty compared to the average folks in the rest of
> the world. Nancy, many don't yet have indoor plumbing, in fact the
> vast majority of the world population not only has no indoor
> facilities, they've never in their life sat on a flush terlit, let
> alone seen one. When I traveled in Europe most regular folks just had
> a hole they
> squatted over... once or twice a day someone dumped a bucket of water
> down the hole... adn in most locales taht hole led to pipe that let out
> at the curb... folks pray for rain other than for the crops.
>
> in Central America most people live in mud huts with dirt floors and
> thatched roofs, no plumbing, no electric, no kitchen... all cooking was
> done communally outdoors over an open wood fire... they do every day
> for real what Ameicans pay big bucks trying to emmulate, to wit: bbq...
> and we with all our $3,500 stainless steel grills, store bought
> characoal, USDA meats, and Penzyes spices don't come anywhere close to
> the real deal... compared to the real deal any bbq and chili made in
> the US it tantamount to box mac n' cheese and chef boyardee... yoose
> are all doing the same awful copy each other cookie cutter style crap.
> Americans and Eropeans don't even know how to makle decent wine, yoose
> all copy each other, most tastes alike... the best wines, the most
> delicious wines are made with ripe rare tropical fruits... wines made
> with grapes is like concord grape jelly... grape wine is all boring...
> and yoose pay big bucks for grape wine so long as it's in a properly
> labled bottle and poured in a fercocktah ritual into stemware worth
> more than the clothes you're wearing. I've gotten shit faced on cashew
> fruit wine out of an old pepsie bottle that would put any grape wine on
> the planet to shame regardless of price. It's no more possible to make
> decent wine from grapes than it is to make decent ice cream from fat
> free milk. Just because a bunch of faggoty french morons go orgasmic
> sniffing and licking their lips over a glass of Eau de Welches Estate
> 89 doesn't mean it has any more class than that purple goop your kids
> mix with Skippy.
>
> Sheldon
>

This is the funniest ****ing post I've read in a long time. I was having such
a crappy day and this honestly made me laugh until I choked on the popcorn.

You, sir, are a truly funny person. Thank you.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
I thought I was driving by Gettysburg once but it ends up I was just driving
by your mom's house.

>
> Where in Europe? Mother hits Spain on a yearly basis. She parks in
> Marbella but wanders. I think I get my tastes from her. Steven is Jewish
> and much more practical than I am. The light fixture I want is not
> negotiable. I want it and will have it. Don't laugh... it is a strawberry
> shape. It'll go perfect with the new kitchen table. My brother that
> spends 90$ grand on Hummers thinks I'm nuts like Barb does.

Hmmm.......the last hummer I got didn't cost me a dime. ;-)

The Bubbo wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >> "Goomba38" > wrote
> >>
> >> > Pete C. wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
> >> >> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
> >> >> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
> >> >> them.
> >> >
> >> > Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.
> >>
> >> I had heard of that before, too, maybe on some real estate show or
> >> another. Question: are the cabinets attached to the wall the way they
> >> are here? Seems weird to be taking them down, and what are the
> >> odds they'd fit just right in someone's new place?
> >
> > They typically don't use wall cabinets, they have just shelves on the
> > walls... sometimes with a curtain. The lower cabinets just set on the
> > floor, not attached at all.... and not very many. For most of the
> > European population the kitchen is extremely utilitarian, and tiny by
> > US standards.. You're not going to find the kind of appliances
> > Americans are accustomed to either... even the poorest welfare folks in
> > the US live like royalty compared to the average folks in the rest of
> > the world. Nancy, many don't yet have indoor plumbing, in fact the
> > vast majority of the world population not only has no indoor
> > facilities, they've never in their life sat on a flush terlit, let
> > alone seen one. When I traveled in Europe most regular folks just had
> > a hole they
> > squatted over... once or twice a day someone dumped a bucket of water
> > down the hole... adn in most locales taht hole led to pipe that let out
> > at the curb... folks pray for rain other than for the crops.
> >
> > in Central America most people live in mud huts with dirt floors and
> > thatched roofs, no plumbing, no electric, no kitchen... all cooking was
> > done communally outdoors over an open wood fire... they do every day
> > for real what Ameicans pay big bucks trying to emmulate, to wit: bbq...
> > and we with all our $3,500 stainless steel grills, store bought
> > characoal, USDA meats, and Penzyes spices don't come anywhere close to
> > the real deal... compared to the real deal any bbq and chili made in
> > the US it tantamount to box mac n' cheese and chef boyardee... yoose
> > are all doing the same awful copy each other cookie cutter style crap.
> > Americans and Eropeans don't even know how to makle decent wine, yoose
> > all copy each other, most tastes alike... the best wines, the most
> > delicious wines are made with ripe rare tropical fruits... wines made
> > with grapes is like concord grape jelly... grape wine is all boring...
> > and yoose pay big bucks for grape wine so long as it's in a properly
> > labled bottle and poured in a fercocktah ritual into stemware worth
> > more than the clothes you're wearing. I've gotten shit faced on cashew
> > fruit wine out of an old pepsie bottle that would put any grape wine on
> > the planet to shame regardless of price. It's no more possible to make
> > decent wine from grapes than it is to make decent ice cream from fat
> > free milk. Just because a bunch of faggoty french morons go orgasmic
> > sniffing and licking their lips over a glass of Eau de Welches Estate
> > 89 doesn't mean it has any more class than that purple goop your kids
> > mix with Skippy.
> >
> > Sheldon
> >
>
> This is the funniest ****ing post I've read in a long time. I was having such
> a crappy day and this honestly made me laugh until I choked on the popcorn.
>
> You, sir, are a truly funny person. Thank you.
>
> --
> .:Heather:.

Thanks, you made my day too... without laughter life isn't worth
living... and anyone can be funny, all ya gotta do is say the truth.

Sheldon

"Goomba38" > schreef in bericht
. ..
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Couldn't tell you where in Europe as I haven't had any interest in
>> visiting there myself. I have read from several sources that it is
>> fairly common in Europe for people moving to take kitchen cabinets with
>> them.
>
> Yup, it certainly was true in my apartment in Germany.

Same when I was living in Germany. But in Holland, it's the other way round.
The kitchen comes with the rented apartment. They tend to all look the same
(boring white) but are actually from a good company, Bruynzeel. Reliable
quality.

Jke wrote:

> Same when I was living in Germany. But in Holland, it's the other way round.
> The kitchen comes with the rented apartment. They tend to all look the same
> (boring white) but are actually from a good company, Bruynzeel. Reliable
> quality.
>
>
LOL.. yeah..I loved the little kitchens in Wassenaar, and yeah, totally
different from my apartments in Germany.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jke wrote:
>
>> Same when I was living in Germany. But in Holland, it's the other way
>> round. The kitchen comes with the rented apartment. They tend to all look
>> the same (boring white) but are actually from a good company, Bruynzeel.
>> Reliable quality.

> LOL.. yeah..I loved the little kitchens in Wassenaar, and yeah, totally
> different from my apartments in Germany.

After reading this discussion I thought maybe it would be a good thing
if people took their kitchen with them ... chances are excellent I'd want
to remodel immediately and it would save me the demo (if I moved).
Just kidding. I understand that some kitchens really are made of stand
alone
furniture though I've also seen many European kitchens on television that
are just like American kitchens only smaller. In that case I think it would
be strange to be detaching the cabinets from the walls when you moved.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> After reading this discussion I thought maybe it would be a good thing
> if people took their kitchen with them ... chances are excellent I'd want
> to remodel immediately and it would save me the demo (if I moved).
> Just kidding. I understand that some kitchens really are made of stand
> alone
> furniture though I've also seen many European kitchens on television that
> are just like American kitchens only smaller. In that case I think it would
> be strange to be detaching the cabinets from the walls when you moved.
>
I think the idea of "knock down" furniture (think: Ikea) really started
in Europe.
It is also a total lifestyle difference, for example how it is common to
have corner markets to shop at daily which minimizes the requirement to
store mass quantities of food from huge shopping trips to the market.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> After reading this discussion I thought maybe it would be a good thing
>> if people took their kitchen with them ... chances are excellent I'd want
>> to remodel immediately and it would save me the demo (if I moved).
>> Just kidding. I understand that some kitchens really are made of stand
>> alone
>> furniture though I've also seen many European kitchens on television that
>> are just like American kitchens only smaller. In that case I think it
>> would
>> be strange to be detaching the cabinets from the walls when you moved.
>>
> I think the idea of "knock down" furniture (think: Ikea) really started in
> Europe.
> It is also a total lifestyle difference, for example how it is common to
> have corner markets to shop at daily which minimizes the requirement to
> store mass quantities of food from huge shopping trips to the market.

I don't think it's any different in, say, Manhattan, where space dictates
that you have a teeny kitchen and have to forage for food every day,
even if it's take-out. Seems like the further out you go into the
countryside
in any country the larger the kitchens and the less likely people are to go
to the store every day.

Though sometimes it does seem like I shop every day. I don't, really,
and I'm glad I don't have to.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> I don't think it's any different in, say, Manhattan, where space dictates
> that you have a teeny kitchen and have to forage for food every day,
> even if it's take-out.

I went shopping at Zabars in Manhattan during a vist and saw the
incredibly wonderful variety of prepared foods. I thought at the time
the prices were so reasonable that one almost wouldn't have to have much
of a kitchin in the city to still eat pretty darn well and not break the
bank.

Goomba38 wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > After reading this discussion I thought maybe it would be a good thing
> > if people took their kitchen with them ... chances are excellent I'd want
> > to remodel immediately and it would save me the demo (if I moved).
> > Just kidding. I understand that some kitchens really are made of stand
> > alone
> > furniture though I've also seen many European kitchens on television that
> > are just like American kitchens only smaller. In that case I think it would
> > be strange to be detaching the cabinets from the walls when you moved.
> >
> I think the idea of "knock down" furniture (think: Ikea) really started
> in Europe.

Yeah, by Cro Magnons... do you really think they left all their
fixtures behind when they changed caves. The built-in kitchen is a
relatively recent phenomenon, and only indulged in by a very small
portion of the world population. And my observance is that the
componet kitchen is making a big comeback.... folks are becoming miffed
at having to spend so much on a unique kitchen and then having to leave
it behind and start all over again every time they move. I mean when
you really think about it the only thing that makes a kitchen built-in
is a $10 box of fasteners.... and feloneous contractors who don't
completely finish floors and walls under and behind the cabinets...
which of course is tantamount to not bathing before getting dressed.
And why should the contractors make it so folks can take their kitchen
furniture with them the same as they do all their other furniture...
they'd be out of work is why... and then what will they do with their
fercocktah nail guns.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Goomba38 wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> > After reading this discussion I thought maybe it would be a good thing
>> > if people took their kitchen with them ... chances are excellent I'd
>> > want
>> > to remodel immediately and it would save me the demo (if I moved).
>> > Just kidding. I understand that some kitchens really are made of stand
>> > alone
>> > furniture though I've also seen many European kitchens on television
>> > that
>> > are just like American kitchens only smaller. In that case I think it
>> > would
>> > be strange to be detaching the cabinets from the walls when you moved.
>> >
>> I think the idea of "knock down" furniture (think: Ikea) really started
>> in Europe.
>
> Yeah, by Cro Magnons... do you really think they left all their
> fixtures behind when they changed caves. The built-in kitchen is a
> relatively recent phenomenon, and only indulged in by a very small
> portion of the world population. And my observance is that the
> componet kitchen is making a big comeback.... folks are becoming miffed
> at having to spend so much on a unique kitchen and then having to leave
> it behind and start all over again every time they move. I mean when
> you really think about it the only thing that makes a kitchen built-in
> is a $10 box of fasteners.... and feloneous contractors who don't
> completely finish floors and walls under and behind the cabinets...
> which of course is tantamount to not bathing before getting dressed.
> And why should the contractors make it so folks can take their kitchen
> furniture with them the same as they do all their other furniture...
> they'd be out of work is why... and then what will they do with their
> fercocktah nail guns.
>
> Sheldon
>

For you:
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:09:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:


>For you:
>http://maddox.xmission.com/
>

Funny stuff there. Thanks

Lou

Sheldon wrote:
> Yeah, by Cro Magnons... do you really think they left all their
> fixtures behind when they changed caves. The built-in kitchen is a
> relatively recent phenomenon, and only indulged in by a very small
> portion of the world population. And my observance is that the
> componet kitchen is making a big comeback.... folks are becoming miffed
> at having to spend so much on a unique kitchen and then having to leave
> it behind and start all over again every time they move. I mean when
> you really think about it the only thing that makes a kitchen built-in
> is a $10 box of fasteners.... and feloneous contractors who don't
> completely finish floors and walls under and behind the cabinets...
> which of course is tantamount to not bathing before getting dressed.
> And why should the contractors make it so folks can take their kitchen
> furniture with them the same as they do all their other furniture...
> they'd be out of work is why... and then what will they do with their
> fercocktah nail guns.
>
> Sheldon
>
Oh good. I have this crazy idea that I'd like to put together
a kitchen without built-in cupboards. Rather, I'd like to
collect interesting old pieces of furniture and arrange them
around the perimeter of the room. I hope the kitchen in my
next house will be suitable for this concept.

--
Jean B.