Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
because the product contains less than 2% avocado.

Instead it is made from modified food starch, coconut and soybean oils,
corn syrup and green food coloring (or whatever combination makes
green). Turns out that there are no regulatory standards for
guacamole, unlike, say, peanut butter, which has to be 95% peanuts.
Kraft says. ""We think customers understand that it isn't made from
avocado." They don't say why they have such a high opinion of their
customers. Nevertheless, they say they will relabel the product.

On the one hand it's not deceptive because the ingredients label is as
accurate as the law requires. On the other, many of us think that if
it says "guacamole" it oughta be mostly avocado. -aem

More of the story he http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/85337.html

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On 1 Dec 2006 10:19:33 -0800, aem wrote:
>
>> Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
>> has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
>> because the product contains less than 2% avocado.
>>
>> Instead it is made from modified food starch, coconut and soybean oils,
>> corn syrup and green food coloring (or whatever combination makes
>> green). Turns out that there are no regulatory standards for
>> guacamole, unlike, say, peanut butter, which has to be 95% peanuts.
>> Kraft says. ""We think customers understand that it isn't made from
>> avocado." They don't say why they have such a high opinion of their
>> customers. Nevertheless, they say they will relabel the product.
>>
>> On the one hand it's not deceptive because the ingredients label is as
>> accurate as the law requires. On the other, many of us think that if
>> it says "guacamole" it oughta be mostly avocado. -aem
>>
>> More of the story he http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/85337.html
>
> We saw the start of this complaint here last year.
>
> Let me predict how this turns out:
>
> 1. The [class-action] lawyers will receive $40K from Kraft for
> each of their clients.
>
> 2. The clients will each receive a free tub of avocado-less
> guacamole and restitution for a bag of chips.
>
> -sw

......and "Kick Me I'm Stupid" t-shirts.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>> Let me predict how this turns out:
>>
>> 1. The [class-action] lawyers will receive $40K from Kraft for
>> each of their clients.
>>
>> 2. The clients will each receive a free tub of avocado-less
>> guacamole and restitution for a bag of chips.
>>
>> -sw
>
> .....and "Kick Me I'm Stupid" t-shirts.
>
Perhaps the deceived could start a support group with the people who
sued McDonalds because they ate too much and are fat.

In article . com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
> has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
> because the product contains less than 2% avocado.
>
> Instead it is made from modified food starch, coconut and soybean oils,
> corn syrup and green food coloring (or whatever combination makes
> green). Turns out that there are no regulatory standards for
> guacamole, unlike, say, peanut butter, which has to be 95% peanuts.
> Kraft says. ""We think customers understand that it isn't made from
> avocado." They don't say why they have such a high opinion of their
> customers. Nevertheless, they say they will relabel the product.
>
> On the one hand it's not deceptive because the ingredients label is as
> accurate as the law requires. On the other, many of us think that if
> it says "guacamole" it oughta be mostly avocado. -aem
>
> More of the story he http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/85337.html

Wow! I'm thinking that guacamole, by definition, is avocado, far and
away.
This reminds me of a godawful guacamole that the Gedney folks were
making for a while a few years ago. I believe that *avocado powder* was
something like #12 on the list of ingredients. Honest to Alex, it was
that far down!!

-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
"Maligning an individual says more about you than the one you malign."

http://web.mac.com/barbschaller; blahblahblog - Peanutless Peanut
Brittle and Nancy's Hungarian Short Ribs 11-30-2006

http://jamlady.eboard.com

aem wrote:
> Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
> has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
> because the product contains less than 2% avocado.

It should be recalled because it's vile...blech...

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> "aem" > wrote:
>
>> Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
>> has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
>> because the product contains less than 2% avocado.
>>
>> Instead it is made from modified food starch, coconut and soybean oils,
>> corn syrup and green food coloring (or whatever combination makes
>> green). Turns out that there are no regulatory standards for
>> guacamole, unlike, say, peanut butter, which has to be 95% peanuts.
>> Kraft says. ""We think customers understand that it isn't made from
>> avocado." They don't say why they have such a high opinion of their
>> customers. Nevertheless, they say they will relabel the product.
>>
>> On the one hand it's not deceptive because the ingredients label is as
>> accurate as the law requires. On the other, many of us think that if
>> it says "guacamole" it oughta be mostly avocado. -aem
>>
>> More of the story he http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/85337.html
>
> Wow! I'm thinking that guacamole, by definition, is avocado, far and
> away.
> This reminds me of a godawful guacamole that the Gedney folks were
> making for a while a few years ago. I believe that *avocado powder* was
> something like #12 on the list of ingredients. Honest to Alex, it was
> that far down!!
>
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ

Below are the ingredients for the Kraft product. Anyone who thought they
were getting guacamole is an idiot. And, unless the package has been changed
since the lawsuit, I do not think the label suggests anything other than a
flavored dip, not actual guacamole.

Ingredients: WATER, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED COCONUT AND SOYBEAN OIL, CORN
SYRUP, WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE (FROM MILK), FOOD STARCH MODIFIED, CONTAINS
LESS THAN 2% OF POTATOES, SALT, AVOCADO, DEFATTED SOY FLOUR, MONOSODIUM
GLUTAMATE, TOMATOES, SODIUM CASEINATE, VINEGAR, LACTIC ACID, ONIONS,
PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL, GELATIN, XANTHAN GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM,
MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES, SPICE, WITH SODIUM BENZOATE AND POTASSIUM SORBATE AS
PRESERVATIVES, GARLIC, SODIUM PHOSPHATE, CITRIC ACID, YELLOW 6, YELLOW 5,
ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, BLUE 1, ARTIFICIAL COLOR.

Picture of product:
http://kraftfoods.com/main.aspx?s=pr...uct=2100061389

Other dips:
http://kraftfoods.com/dipsracingcards/

Does anyone expect to find real onion chunks in French onion dip?

>
> Does anyone expect to find real onion chunks in French onion dip?

<<now wonders what those chunks in fact were in her french onion
dip...>>

"ravenlynne" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> >
>> Does anyone expect to find real onion chunks in French onion dip?
>
> <<now wonders what those chunks in fact were in her french onion
> dip...>>
>

How many legs did each chunk have?

One time on Usenet, "ravenlynne" > said:
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> > Does anyone expect to find real onion chunks in French onion dip?
>
> <<now wonders what those chunks in fact were in her french onion
> dip...>>

I think it was onion; it's the 5th item on the ingredients list:

http://kraftfoods.com/main.
aspx?s=product&m=product/Product_display&Site=1&Product=2100074431

I used to love their garlic dip, although I haven't had it for quite
a while. I wondered if it has actual garlic in it, but it's not even
on their site:

http://kraftfoods.com/main.aspx?s=product&m=product/
product_results&SiteId=1&CatalogType=1&BrandId=159 &PageNo=1

As for the avocados in guacamole thing -- I don't think of
store bought dips as being "real" anyway. If I were that worried
about it, I'd read the label. I don't think a lawsuit was in order
here. JMO...

--
Jani in WA

Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves the crud they
get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest things to make.

Davlo wrote:
> Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves the crud they
> get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest things to make.
>
>
And here is my all time favorite recipe for it-


* Exported from MasterCook *

Guacamole

Recipe By :Rick Bayless, "Mexico, One Plate at a Time" Cookbook
Serving Size : 1 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Appetizers Ethnic
Mexican

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1 jalapeno -- or 2 serranos
1/2 medium white onion -- finely chopped
6 ounces tomatoes -- (1 med or 2 plum)
1/4 cup coarse chopped cilantro
3 medium-large ripe avocados
salt
lime juice -- 1-2 Tablespoons

Notes:
-Fresh hot green chiles to taste (about 2 serranos or 1 jalepeno, stemmed)
- tomatoes-you want these ripe, though absolute red ripeness isn't as
important here as it is, say, for chopped salsa

Roast the chiles: lay the chiles in a small ungreased skillet set over
medium
heat. Turn them every minute or so till they have softened. 5-10 min.
Mash them
into a coarse puree, using mortar or finely chop them. Place in large bowl.
Scoop the chopped onion into a strainer and rinse under cold water;
shake off
excess water and add to the bowl with the chiles. Chop the tomatoes
into small
bits (skin seeds and all is my preference). You should have a scant cup.
Add to
the bowl along with the cilantro.
Avocados: To cut the avocado in half you have to negotiate the large egg
sized
pit in the middle. Make a cut down the length of 1 avocado straight
through to
the pit. Continue cutting all the way around the pit until you wind up where
you started. twist the two halves in opposite directions and pull apart.
Scoop
the pit out (the hueso, or bone, in Spanish) with a spoon. Scoop out the
avocado flesh from the skin and add to the bowl. Using an old fashioned
potato
masher or the back of a large spoon to mash the flesh into a coarse pulp,
mixing in other ingredients as you go.
Taste for seasoning and season with salt, usually a scant teaspoon, then add
some of the lime juice and taste again. Continue seasoning with lime
until it
has enough zip for you. Cover with plastic wrap, placing it on direct
surface
and refrigerate until ready to serve.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:04:37 -0500, Goomba38 >
wrote:


>And here is my all time favorite recipe for it-
>
>
>* Exported from MasterCook *
>
> Guacamole
>
>Recipe By :Rick Bayless, "Mexico, One Plate at a Time" Cookbook

I have made his version, and I admit it is extremely good. One of the
best.

Christine

JoeSpareBedroom said...

> Below are the ingredients for the Kraft product. Anyone who thought
> they were getting guacamole is an idiot. And, unless the package has
> been changed since the lawsuit, I do not think the label suggests
> anything other than a flavored dip, not actual guacamole.
>
> Ingredients: WATER, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED COCONUT AND SOYBEAN OIL,
> CORN SYRUP, WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE (FROM MILK), FOOD STARCH
> MODIFIED, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF POTATOES, SALT, AVOCADO, DEFATTED
> SOY FLOUR, MONOSODIUM GLUTAMATE, TOMATOES, SODIUM CASEINATE, VINEGAR,
> LACTIC ACID, ONIONS, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL, GELATIN,
> XANTHAN GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM, MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES, SPICE, WITH
> SODIUM BENZOATE AND POTASSIUM SORBATE AS PRESERVATIVES, GARLIC, SODIUM
> PHOSPHATE, CITRIC ACID, YELLOW 6, YELLOW 5, ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, BLUE 1,
> ARTIFICIAL COLOR.


Good grief. They certainly didn't waste any time getting to the crappy
ingredients. And LOTS of them, too. I wonder what the ingredient SPICE
means.

We all know it's not guacamole. Heck, it's not even food!

Andy

> aem wrote:
>> Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
>> has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
>> because the product contains less than 2% avocado.

How can you call it guacamole without the "guac" (aguacate) ?

gloria p

On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:01:09 -0500, "Davlo" > wrote:

>Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves the crud they
>get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest things to make.

So are regular mashed potatoes...but the instant mashed potato buds
industry continues.

One time on Usenet, Ward Abbott > said:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:01:09 -0500, "Davlo" > wrote:
>
> >Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves the crud they
> >get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest things to make.
>
> So are regular mashed potatoes...but the instant mashed potato buds
> industry continues.

Actually, those make a tasty chicken coating...

--
Jani in WA

As an aside, it also works to toast the jalapenos/serranos
in a toaster oven, instead of roasting them in a pan. I
find this a bit more convenient.

Steve

Little Malice wrote:
> One time on Usenet, Ward Abbott > said:
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:01:09 -0500, "Davlo" > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves the crud they
>>> get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest things to make.
>> So are regular mashed potatoes...but the instant mashed potato buds
>> industry continues.
>
> Actually, those make a tasty chicken coating...
>

At least you can use them for something. They aren't useful for serving
as mashed potatoes...

Little Malice wrote:
> One time on Usenet, Ward Abbott > said:
> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:01:09 -0500, "Davlo" > wrote:
> >
> > >Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves the crud they
> > >get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest things to make.
> >
> > So are regular mashed potatoes...but the instant mashed potato buds
> > industry continues.
>
> Actually, those make a tasty chicken coating...
>
> --
> Jani in WA

They thicken soups well too.

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote

> Melba's Jammin' > news:barbschaller-
> :

>> Wow! I'm thinking that guacamole, by definition, is avocado, far and
>> away.
>> This reminds me of a godawful guacamole that the Gedney folks were
>> making for a while a few years ago. I believe that *avocado powder* was
>> something like #12 on the list of ingredients. Honest to Alex, it was
>> that far down!!
>
> I think you're right. Interesting though. I mean, what defines guacamole?
> Strange food definitions if you ask me.

I can understand why people cringe why anyone would buy
guacamole rather than making it yourself, one reason being this is
the kind of crap out there being sold. I buy it because it's hard to
find avocados of any use whatsoever around here anymore, but
the kind I buy most certainly is mainly avocado! Otherwise, why
bother?! The green color goes with your tablecloth? Geez, make
something else if that's all you can get.

nancy

Nancy Young said...


> I can understand why people cringe why anyone would buy
> guacamole rather than making it yourself, one reason being this is
> the kind of crap out there being sold. I buy it because it's hard to
> find avocados of any use whatsoever around here anymore, but
> the kind I buy most certainly is mainly avocado! Otherwise, why
> bother?! The green color goes with your tablecloth? Geez, make
> something else if that's all you can get.
>
> nancy


Pre-made guac is great to have around between ripe avos.

Avo*Classic and Trader Joe's make great guac, imho.

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote

> Nancy Young said...

>> I can understand why people cringe why anyone would buy
>> guacamole rather than making it yourself, one reason being this is
>> the kind of crap out there being sold. I buy it because it's hard to
>> find avocados of any use whatsoever around here anymore, but
>> the kind I buy most certainly is mainly avocado! Otherwise, why
>> bother?! The green color goes with your tablecloth? Geez, make
>> something else if that's all you can get.

> Pre-made guac is great to have around between ripe avos.

Agreed.

> Avo*Classic and Trader Joe's make great guac, imho.

Avo*Classic is the kind I buy. There is another kind I bought from
Wegman's, I really don't remember the brand, might well have been
the same brand. I wouldn't consider buying the kinds mentioned in
this thread, the kind with no avocado? (laugh) That's the 'why bother'
I was talking about.

nancy

Nancy Young said...

> I wouldn't consider buying the kinds mentioned in
> this thread, the kind with no avocado? (laugh)


Unless you need to take paint off furniture. (grin)

Andy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" wrote
> > Melba's Jammin' writes:
>
> >> Wow! I'm thinking that guacamole, by definition, is avocado, far and
> >> away.
> >> This reminds me of a godawful guacamole that the Gedney folks were
> >> making for a while a few years ago. I believe that *avocado powder* was
> >> something like #12 on the list of ingredients. Honest to Alex, it was
> >> that far down!!
> >
> > I think you're right. Interesting though. I mean, what defines guacamole?
> > Strange food definitions if you ask me.
>
> I can understand why people cringe why anyone would buy
> guacamole rather than making it yourself, one reason being this is
> the kind of crap out there being sold. I buy it because it's hard to
> find avocados of any use whatsoever around here anymore, but
> the kind I buy most certainly is mainly avocado! Otherwise, why
> bother?! The green color goes with your tablecloth? Geez, make
> something else if that's all you can get.

You really don't need avocados, a very nice low fat substitute can be
made using asparagus and low fat sour cream or yogurt.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Appet...sGuacamole.htm

Most won't realize the difference until they gotta pee. hehe

Sheldon

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan said...

> "Nancy Young" >
> :
>
>>
>> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote
>>
>>> Melba's Jammin' > news:barbschaller-
>>> :
>>
>>>> Wow! I'm thinking that guacamole, by definition, is avocado, far
>>>> and away.
>>>> This reminds me of a godawful guacamole that the Gedney folks were
>>>> making for a while a few years ago. I believe that *avocado
>>>> powder* was something like #12 on the list of ingredients. Honest
>>>> to Alex, it was that far down!!
>>>
>>> I think you're right. Interesting though. I mean, what defines
>>> guacamole? Strange food definitions if you ask me.
>>
>> I can understand why people cringe why anyone would buy
>> guacamole rather than making it yourself, one reason being this is
>> the kind of crap out there being sold. I buy it because it's hard to
>> find avocados of any use whatsoever around here anymore, but
>> the kind I buy most certainly is mainly avocado! Otherwise, why
>> bother?! The green color goes with your tablecloth? Geez, make
>> something else if that's all you can get.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Well, I cringe at people claiming guac and it's not. Guac, to me is a
> whole different deal than what others claim it to be. To me it has to
> have chunks of avocado in it. I love my avocado.
>
> Michael


When I make guac, I will mash up two avos, mince a couple Tbs red onion,
a small minced plum tomato, a couple squeezes of lime juice, and salt,
then mix. The last avo I medium/fine dice and add it last, folding
minimally for chunkiness aesthetics. Fridge for a few hours before
serving.

Mostly I like cool guac and don't add peppers but I'll buy pre-made spicy
on occasion.

Andy

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:33:42 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:


>When I make guac, I will mash up two avos, mince a couple Tbs red onion,
>a small minced plum tomato, a couple squeezes of lime juice, and salt,
>then mix. The last avo I medium/fine dice and add it last, folding
>minimally for chunkiness aesthetics. Fridge for a few hours before
>serving.

No garlic? I like cilantro so that's a must also.

Lou

Lou Decruss said...

> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:33:42 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>
>>When I make guac, I will mash up two avos, mince a couple Tbs red
onion,
>>a small minced plum tomato, a couple squeezes of lime juice, and salt,
>>then mix. The last avo I medium/fine dice and add it last, folding
>>minimally for chunkiness aesthetics. Fridge for a few hours before
>>serving.
>
> No garlic? I like cilantro so that's a must also.
>
> Lou


Lou,

No garlic. Too overpowering.

Agreed. Yes cilantro. A couple finely minced pinches.

Andy

George wrote:

> Little Malice wrote:
> >One time on Usenet, Ward Abbott > said:
> >>On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:01:09 -0500, "Davlo" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anyone who buys guacamole from a company like Kraft deserves
> > > > the crud they get. Guacamole has to be one of the simplest
> > > > things to make.
> > > So are regular mashed potatoes...but the instant mashed potato
> > > buds industry continues.
> >
> > Actually, those make a tasty chicken coating...
> >
>
> At least you can use them for something. They aren't useful for
> serving as mashed potatoes...

As I've mentioned before, we used to have the instant ones a lot when I
was a kid. Anyone who thinks making mashed potatoes from scratch for a
family of ten big eaters is a simple chore is crazy, let alone the time
factor.



Biran

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

>
> As I've mentioned before, we used to have the instant ones a lot when I
> was a kid. Anyone who thinks making mashed potatoes from scratch for a
> family of ten big eaters is a simple chore is crazy, let alone the time
> factor.
>
>
>
> Biran

I totally get that! I rarely ever need to make more potatoes than for
myself and my daughter...Mr Raven and the baby don't like them...

>Well, I cringe at people claiming guac and it's not. Guac, to me is a whole
> different deal than what others claim it to be. To me it has to have chunks
> of avocado in it. I love my avocado.
>
> Michael


I agree. I prefer to make more of a chunky avocado guac myself.

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2006 10:19:33 -0800, aem wrote:
>
> > Kraft Foods markets a product called "Kraft Dips Guacamole." A lawsuit
> > has been filed seeking to enjoin them from using the word "guacamole"
> > because the product contains less than 2% avocado.
> >
> > Instead it is made from modified food starch, coconut and soybean oils,
> > corn syrup and green food coloring (or whatever combination makes
> > green). Turns out that there are no regulatory standards for
> > guacamole, unlike, say, peanut butter, which has to be 95% peanuts.
> > Kraft says. ""We think customers understand that it isn't made from
> > avocado." They don't say why they have such a high opinion of their
> > customers. Nevertheless, they say they will relabel the product.
> >
> > On the one hand it's not deceptive because the ingredients label is as
> > accurate as the law requires. On the other, many of us think that if
> > it says "guacamole" it oughta be mostly avocado. -aem
> >
> > More of the story he http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/85337.html
>
> We saw the start of this complaint here last year.
>
> Let me predict how this turns out:
>
> 1. The [class-action] lawyers will receive $40K from Kraft for
> each of their clients.
>
> 2. The clients will each receive a free tub of avocado-less
> guacamole and restitution for a bag of chips.
>

Made out of modified food starch, coconut and soybean oils, corn syrup
and yellow food coloring.

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:34:48 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

> Lou Decruss said...
>
>> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:33:42 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When I make guac, I will mash up two avos, mince a couple Tbs red
> onion,
>>> a small minced plum tomato, a couple squeezes of lime juice, and salt,
>>> then mix. The last avo I medium/fine dice and add it last, folding
>>> minimally for chunkiness aesthetics. Fridge for a few hours before
>>> serving.
>>
>> No garlic? I like cilantro so that's a must also.
>>
>> Lou
>
>
> Lou,
>
> No garlic.

definitely sounds like fun

> Too overpowering.
>
> Agreed. Yes cilantro. A couple finely minced pinches.

I remember those but what the heck was I wearing in the 80's? that was
different than what I am wearing now...
cannot think of a thing

the disco era was more only the very beginning of the 80s
I THINK

saturday night fever -- 1980

urban cowboy -- 80

staying alive (disco dies) 1983

perhaps I was dressed as Manuel Noriega