JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >> > news > >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
> >> > >
> >> > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
> >> >
> >> > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life of
> >> > the
> >> > appliance.
> >> >
> >> > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal
> >> > stove.
> >> >
> >> > A....B....B....B.....B.....
> >>
> >> Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
> >> using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
> >>
> >> Pete C.
> >
> > I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
> >
> > IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
> > space...... <shudder>
> >
> > I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
> >
> > I do so NOT miss them!
> >
> > Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
> >
> > At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
> > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> Gas is dirty and it stinks?

More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
the instant they walk in your house.

Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.

Pete C.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > In article >,
>> > "Pete C." > wrote:
>> >
>> >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> >> > news >> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
>> >> >
>> >> > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life
>> >> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > appliance.
>> >> >
>> >> > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal
>> >> > stove.
>> >> >
>> >> > A....B....B....B.....B.....
>> >>
>> >> Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
>> >> using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
>> >>
>> >> Pete C.
>> >
>> > I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
>> >
>> > IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
>> > space...... <shudder>
>> >
>> > I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
>> >
>> > I do so NOT miss them!
>> >
>> > Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
>> >
>> > At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
>> > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
>> > --
>> > Peace, Om
>>
>> Gas is dirty and it stinks?
>
> More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
> appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
> properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
> the instant they walk in your house.
>
> Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
> just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
>
> Pete C.

If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:

1) Your stove needs service.
2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >> > news > >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
> >> > >
> >> > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
> >> >
> >> > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life of
> >> > the
> >> > appliance.
> >> >
> >> > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal
> >> > stove.
> >> >
> >> > A....B....B....B.....B.....
> >>
> >> Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
> >> using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
> >>
> >> Pete C.
> >
> > I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
> >
> > IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
> > space...... <shudder>
> >
> > I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
> >
> > I do so NOT miss them!
> >
> > Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
> >
> > At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
> > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> Gas is dirty and it stinks?

Yes.

Propane has a nasty smell, and any small gas leakage attracts dust which
is flammable. Mom and dad were forever having to keep up with that.

I just hate hate hate gas appliances! When I went looking for a house, I
specified to the real estate agent "all electric"!!!

Pumping an explosive fluid into my home just seems...... risky.

Like I said, I grew up with it and learned to hate it from bad childhood
experiences.

I also see many families come in to the emergency room in the winter,
dead or dying from CO production from dirty gas appliances.

That shit is just too damned dangerous! I made sure that when dad was
living alone and had a gas water heater, he had a carbon monoxide
detector. He said it went off a lot whenever the gas turned on to heat
the water, but it'd disburse and the alarm would shut off.

Sorry, but that just makes me cringe.

There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
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> There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
> --
> Peace, Om

What do you heat with? Oil?

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"Sheldon" > wrote:

> http://www.amazon.com/Russell-Hobbs-...ure/dp/B0000BV
> QEO/sr=8-2/qid=1165423618/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-4640750-1575137?ie=UTF8&s=home-g
> arden
>
> Sheldon

Looks interesting, but the reviews are bad.
I'll stick with my current cheap Presto (around $50.00) and my electric
glass top.

Works for me and you may note that a LOT of my food photos are taken on
it. I use it a lot for counter space. ;-)
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In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> I'm not big on gas myself, but I do make an exception for cooking with
> my nice dual fuel stove running on LP for the burners. The OP already
> has a gas cook top, so installing an electric one would cost $$ to run
> power for it.
>
> Pete C.

Actually, at the current price of LP (and what it'll probably cost thru
the winter), they might come out ahead.

I know that one of my neighbors did. They celebrated when the gas stove
went bye bye.

The wiring was not that expensive since they did the labor themselves.
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In article >, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> > > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
> > > --
> > > Peace, Om
> >
> > Gas is dirty and it stinks?
>
> More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
> appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
> properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
> the instant they walk in your house.
>
> Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
> just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
>
> Pete C.

Thank you for your support. ;-)
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In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
>
> 1) Your stove needs service.
> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.

They seem to need service frequently....... :-P
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>
> > There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> What do you heat with? Oil?

ELECTRIC!!!
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
>>
>> 1) Your stove needs service.
>> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
>
> They seem to need service frequently....... :-P
> --
> Peace, Om

Then, you bought a cheap piece of crap. (Sorry, but you lit the fuse on that
logic bomb).

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news >>
>>
>> > There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
>> > --
>> > Peace, Om
>>
>> What do you heat with? Oil?
>
> ELECTRIC!!!
> --
> Peace, Om

Either you live in a not-so-cold place, or you're wealthy. :-)

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
> >>
> >> 1) Your stove needs service.
> >> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
> >
> > They seem to need service frequently....... :-P
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> Then, you bought a cheap piece of crap. (Sorry, but you lit the fuse on that
> logic bomb).

Whatever... It was the stove, furnace and water heater that came with
the house.

All three were smelly, dirty, dangerous pieces of crap.

But still, I'd never pump a flammable, poisonous gas producing liquid
into my living space.......

And nowadays, LP is not so cheap.

Fuel bills in my area run twice what power bills do, and those are not
cheap either.
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> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >> news > >>
> >>
> >> > There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
> >> > --
> >> > Peace, Om
> >>
> >> What do you heat with? Oil?
> >
> > ELECTRIC!!!
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> Either you live in a not-so-cold place, or you're wealthy. :-)

I live in South Central Texas. Temps lately have been running from 30 to
60. Power has been down from the summer heat, about $170.00 per month.

I know people who run LP heaters spending $300.00+ per month.

Thanks to oil prices. ;-)
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
> > appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
> > properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
> > the instant they walk in your house.
> >
> > Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
> > just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
>
> 1) Your stove needs service.
> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.

I've not found a single exception to the detectability of gas
appliances. I can smell if gas appliances are present in any living
space, no matter the quality of the appliance. The odorant only needs a
few PPM to be detectable.

Pete C.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
>> > appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
>> > properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
>> > the instant they walk in your house.
>> >
>> > Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
>> > just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
>> >
>> > Pete C.
>>
>> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
>>
>> 1) Your stove needs service.
>> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
>
> I've not found a single exception to the detectability of gas
> appliances. I can smell if gas appliances are present in any living
> space, no matter the quality of the appliance. The odorant only needs a
> few PPM to be detectable.
>
> Pete C.

Then, there's a leak, and it wouldn't matter whether it contained the
odorant or not. It needs to be fixed.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
> >> > appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
> >> > properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
> >> > the instant they walk in your house.
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
> >> > just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
> >> >
> >> > Pete C.
> >>
> >> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
> >>
> >> 1) Your stove needs service.
> >> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
> >
> > I've not found a single exception to the detectability of gas
> > appliances. I can smell if gas appliances are present in any living
> > space, no matter the quality of the appliance. The odorant only needs a
> > few PPM to be detectable.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> Then, there's a leak, and it wouldn't matter whether it contained the
> odorant or not. It needs to be fixed.

Wrong. There does not have to be a leak in order to "smell the gas". The
odorant lingers and nothing short of hurricane force air exchanges will
get rid of it if the appliances are there periodically replenishing the
lingering odorant. The odor is somewhat less offensive these days now
that standing pilots are largely gone, but it is most certainly still
there.

Pete C.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > news
> > > In article >,
> > > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > >> news > > >>
> > >>
> > >> > There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
> > >> > --
> > >> > Peace, Om
> > >>
> > >> What do you heat with? Oil?
> > >
> > > ELECTRIC!!!
> > > --
> > > Peace, Om
> >
> > Either you live in a not-so-cold place, or you're wealthy. :-)
>
> I live in South Central Texas. Temps lately have been running from 30 to
> 60. Power has been down from the summer heat, about $170.00 per month.
>
> I know people who run LP heaters spending $300.00+ per month.
>
> Thanks to oil prices. ;-)
> --
> Peace, Om
>
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> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

North Texas here. Last bills have been about $120 in the no A/C and
minimal heat season. Heating is picking up a bit now. LP is cheap enough
as I only use it for the burners on my stove and it goes about 10 months
on a 20# tank.

Pete C.

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >
> > "Pete C." > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
> > > appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
> > > properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
> > > the instant they walk in your house.
> > >
> > > Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
> > > just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
> > >
> > > Pete C.
> >
> > If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
> >
> > 1) Your stove needs service.
> > 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
>
> I've not found a single exception to the detectability of gas
> appliances. I can smell if gas appliances are present in any living
> space, no matter the quality of the appliance. The odorant only needs a
> few PPM to be detectable.
>
> Pete C.

Yep.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
> >> > appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
> >> > properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell it
> >> > the instant they walk in your house.
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion that
> >> > just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
> >> >
> >> > Pete C.
> >>
> >> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
> >>
> >> 1) Your stove needs service.
> >> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
> >
> > I've not found a single exception to the detectability of gas
> > appliances. I can smell if gas appliances are present in any living
> > space, no matter the quality of the appliance. The odorant only needs a
> > few PPM to be detectable.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> Then, there's a leak, and it wouldn't matter whether it contained the
> odorant or not. It needs to be fixed.

It needs to be replaced... with electric.

It's obvious that you have a gas stove.

It is similar to a smoker vs. a non-smoker.

A smoker can walk into a house with other smokers and not notice it.
People that don't can tell instantly, even if you smoke mostly outdoors.
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In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> > Then, there's a leak, and it wouldn't matter whether it contained the
> > odorant or not. It needs to be fixed.
>
> Wrong. There does not have to be a leak in order to "smell the gas". The
> odorant lingers and nothing short of hurricane force air exchanges will
> get rid of it if the appliances are there periodically replenishing the
> lingering odorant. The odor is somewhat less offensive these days now

I can relate similar experiences at work...

People tend to "tune out" familiar odors.

I have to work in the microbiology section at work on a nightly basis. I
get to plate out "interesting" samples and open the bacteriological
incubator a few times per night. While I do notice the odors, they are
only mildly offensive.

Hospital construction workers that have had to make modifications to the
room are made ill by the smells if I have to open the incubator for any
reason.

I think the same goes for the smell of LP in a house. ;-)

You get used to the smell, you do not notice it.

Even people who are "not cat people" have made comments about others
from time to time. No matter how clean you keep the residence or litter
boxes, cat haters can smell it.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > More accurately, gas is dangerous and it stinks. Those who have gas
>> >> > appliances tend to have acclimated and not smell the gas or more
>> >> > properly the added odorant, but those without gas appliances smell
>> >> > it
>> >> > the instant they walk in your house.
>> >> >
>> >> > Interestingly enough there is yet another probable gas explosion
>> >> > that
>> >> > just happened this morning. It's on CNN.com now.
>> >> >
>> >> > Pete C.
>> >>
>> >> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Your stove needs service.
>> >> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
>> >
>> > I've not found a single exception to the detectability of gas
>> > appliances. I can smell if gas appliances are present in any living
>> > space, no matter the quality of the appliance. The odorant only needs a
>> > few PPM to be detectable.
>> >
>> > Pete C.
>>
>> Then, there's a leak, and it wouldn't matter whether it contained the
>> odorant or not. It needs to be fixed.
>
> It needs to be replaced... with electric.
>
> It's obvious that you have a gas stove.
>
> It is similar to a smoker vs. a non-smoker.
>
> A smoker can walk into a house with other smokers and not notice it.
> People that don't can tell instantly, even if you smoke mostly outdoors.
> --
> Peace, Om

Listen, Cheese Omelet, you can't smell something that's not there. Will you
agree with that statement?

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> > >
> > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > news > > >
> > > >
> > > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
> > > >
> > > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
> > >
> > > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
> > >
> > > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life of the
> > > appliance.
> > >
> > > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal stove.
> > >
> > > A....B....B....B.....B.....
> >
> > Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
> > using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
>
> IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
> space...... <shudder>
>
> I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
>
> I do so NOT miss them!
>
> Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
>
> At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
> Plus it's dirty and it stinks.

1. You're paranoid
2. Many people who live where heating costs exceed cooling costs
prefer gas
3. There's a difference between LP and natural gas
4. I've had gas appliances for 50 years and have never had any
problems, including
excessive repair rates.
5. I have an extremely sensitive nose for hydrocarbons, and I can't
smell gas in my house
(except when my husband eats hardboiled eggs and beer)
6. You're paranoid

"Omelet" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> If you can smell ANY gas, it means one of two things:
>>
>> 1) Your stove needs service.
>> 2) You bought a cheap peace of crap stove.
>
> They seem to need service frequently....... :-P

I've never had to service my gas stove, never had a gas leak. This
particular one is, as previously mentioned, circa 1958. Aside from its
disreputable looking burners, it's fine as wine :-)

TammyM

"Omelet" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>> I'm not big on gas myself, but I do make an exception for cooking with
>> my nice dual fuel stove running on LP for the burners. The OP already
>> has a gas cook top, so installing an electric one would cost $$ to run
>> power for it.
>>
>> Pete C.
>
> Actually, at the current price of LP (and what it'll probably cost thru
> the winter), they might come out ahead.

I'm the OP. I wouldn't come out ahead. The wiring in my house is original.
I'd have to re-do it completely.

> I know that one of my neighbors did. They celebrated when the gas stove
> went bye bye.
>
> The wiring was not that expensive since they did the labor themselves.

I'd LOVE it if I were capable of doing that! But I'm not, I am
DIY-impaired.

TammyM

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> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > news > > > > In article >,
> > > > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > >> news > > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Peace, Om
> > > >>
> > > >> What do you heat with? Oil?
> > > >
> > > > ELECTRIC!!!
> > > > --
> > > > Peace, Om
> > >
> > > Either you live in a not-so-cold place, or you're wealthy. :-)
> >
> > I live in South Central Texas. Temps lately have been running from 30 to
> > 60. Power has been down from the summer heat, about $170.00 per month.
> >
> > I know people who run LP heaters spending $300.00+ per month.
> >
> > Thanks to oil prices. ;-)
> > --
> > Peace, Om
> >
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> > Nicholson
>
> North Texas here. Last bills have been about $120 in the no A/C and
> minimal heat season. Heating is picking up a bit now. LP is cheap enough
> as I only use it for the burners on my stove and it goes about 10 months
> on a 20# tank.
>
> Pete C.

Do you run the burners a lot, or use electric quick cooking appliances?
I'm just curious... I know folks that save power by using indoor
electric grills and microwaves.
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Omelet > wrote:

>I also see many families come in to the emergency room in the winter,
>dead or dying from CO production from dirty gas appliances.

>That shit is just too damned dangerous! I made sure that when dad was
>living alone and had a gas water heater, he had a carbon monoxide
>detector. He said it went off a lot whenever the gas turned on to heat
>the water, but it'd disburse and the alarm would shut off.

>Sorry, but that just makes me cringe.

Huh. We have 3 gas appliances within our living space --
Wedgewood heater, Spark stove/oven, and standard-issue water
heater -- we've never had an explosion nor has the CO meter
ever registered anything -- not even low safe levels of CO, it
just reads zero. Only a defective or misadjusted gas appliance
produces CO. The gas appliances are reasonably cheap to maintain
(in 21 years, we've had the flame detector refrabicated on
the Wedgewood twice, some other minor repairs like the pilot
burner replaced a couple other times. The Spark has required no
mainteinace other than rebuilding the pilot-tube assembly once.
The water heater has been replaced once.) Just putting in the
new circuits for electric appliances would easily exceed our
maintenance costs -- let alone the cost of new applianaces.

A CO reading from the water heater turning on definitely
requires checking out by a plumber. I'd suspect a squirrel's
nest in the flue assembly, or a bad unit.

Steve

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> Listen, Cheese Omelet, you can't smell something that's not there. Will you
> agree with that statement?

'scuse me?
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In article . com>,
"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote:

> 6. You're paranoid

Perhaps... ;-)

Fires and carbon monoxide scare the hell out of me.

Flammable liquids pumped into my living space never did seem to be a
good idea.
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> > > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > > news > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
> > > >
> > > > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life of the
> > > > appliance.
> > > >
> > > > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal stove.
> > > >
> > > > A....B....B....B.....B.....
> > >
> > > Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
> > > using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
> > >
> > > Pete C.
> >
> > I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
> >
> > IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
> > space...... <shudder>
> >
> > I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
> >
> > I do so NOT miss them!
> >
> > Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
> >
> > At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
> > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
>
> 1. You're paranoid

Tell that to the person killed by today's gas explosion and the 25
injured including some seriously.

> 2. Many people who live where heating costs exceed cooling costs
> prefer gas

The economics are always in flux. With newer technologies like
geothermal heat pumps (vs. the old air source heat pumps), the relative
difference between heating with electric vs. gas (nat. or LP) or oil is
pretty small.

> 3. There's a difference between LP and natural gas

Not in the safety or smell aspects. Both are explosive gasses and both
contain the same odorant. The difference is mostly in BTU content.

> 4. I've had gas appliances for 50 years and have never had any
> problems, including
> excessive repair rates.

Many have had good experiences and many have had bad experiences up to
being killed in gas explosions. Very few people have been killed by
their electric heating systems (permanently installed, not little
portable crap).

> 5. I have an extremely sensitive nose for hydrocarbons, and I can't
> smell gas in my house
> (except when my husband eats hardboiled eggs and beer)

You can't smell nat. gas or LP, they are odorless. What you smell is the
odorant (Methyl Mercaptan I think) that is added due to the safety
issues associated with an odorless explosive gas.

> 6. You're paranoid

You're complacent. I hope you at least have a CO / explosive gas
detector in the house, they aren't that expensive.

Pete C.

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> .....Only a defective or misadjusted gas appliance
> produces CO. .....
>
> Steve

Er, this statement isn't quite true. The use of any natural gas
appliance _always_ produces CO; CO is a by-product of burning the fuel.
It's when something goes wrong with the ventilation that CO can become a
potentially deadly issue.

Sky

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Listen, Cheese Omelet, you can't smell something that's not there. Will
>> you
>> agree with that statement?
>
> 'scuse me?
> --
> Peace, Om

Can you smell something that's not coming out of the pipes or tubes?

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article . com>,
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote:
>
>> 6. You're paranoid
>
> Perhaps... ;-)
>
> Fires and carbon monoxide scare the hell out of me.
>
> Flammable liquids pumped into my living space never did seem to be a
> good idea.
> --
> Peace, Om

Time to throw away the nail polish remover.

"Pete C." wrote:
>
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Omelet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > "Pete C." > wrote:
> > >
> > > > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > > > news > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
> > > > >
> > > > > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life of the
> > > > > appliance.
> > > > >
> > > > > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal stove.
> > > > >
> > > > > A....B....B....B.....B.....
> > > >
> > > > Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
> > > > using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
> > > >
> > > > Pete C.
> > >
> > > I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
> > >
> > > IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
> > > space...... <shudder>
> > >
> > > I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
> > >
> > > I do so NOT miss them!
> > >
> > > Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
> > >
> > > At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
> > > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
> >
> > 1. You're paranoid
>
> Tell that to the person killed by today's gas explosion and the 25
> injured including some seriously.
>
> > 2. Many people who live where heating costs exceed cooling costs
> > prefer gas
>
> The economics are always in flux. With newer technologies like
> geothermal heat pumps (vs. the old air source heat pumps), the relative
> difference between heating with electric vs. gas (nat. or LP) or oil is
> pretty small.
>
> > 3. There's a difference between LP and natural gas
>
> Not in the safety or smell aspects. Both are explosive gasses and both
> contain the same odorant. The difference is mostly in BTU content.
>
> > 4. I've had gas appliances for 50 years and have never had any
> > problems, including
> > excessive repair rates.
>
> Many have had good experiences and many have had bad experiences up to
> being killed in gas explosions. Very few people have been killed by
> their electric heating systems (permanently installed, not little
> portable crap).
>
> > 5. I have an extremely sensitive nose for hydrocarbons, and I can't
> > smell gas in my house
> > (except when my husband eats hardboiled eggs and beer)
>
> You can't smell nat. gas or LP, they are odorless. What you smell is the
> odorant (Methyl Mercaptan I think) that is added due to the safety
> issues associated with an odorless explosive gas.
>
> > 6. You're paranoid
>
> You're complacent. I hope you at least have a CO / explosive gas
> detector in the house, they aren't that expensive.
>
> Pete C.

Update, 3 dead, 30 injured in today's gas explosion.

Pete C.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article . com>,
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote:
>
> > 6. You're paranoid
>
> Perhaps... ;-)
>
> Fires and carbon monoxide scare the hell out of me.
>
> Flammable liquids pumped into my living space never did seem to be a
> good idea.
> --
> Peace, Om
>
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>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Three dead and 30 injured in today's gas explosion.

Pete C.

In article >,
"TammyM" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not big on gas myself, but I do make an exception for cooking with
> >> my nice dual fuel stove running on LP for the burners. The OP already
> >> has a gas cook top, so installing an electric one would cost $$ to run
> >> power for it.
> >>
> >> Pete C.
> >
> > Actually, at the current price of LP (and what it'll probably cost thru
> > the winter), they might come out ahead.
>
> I'm the OP. I wouldn't come out ahead. The wiring in my house is original.
> I'd have to re-do it completely.
>
> > I know that one of my neighbors did. They celebrated when the gas stove
> > went bye bye.
> >
> > The wiring was not that expensive since they did the labor themselves.
>
> I'd LOVE it if I were capable of doing that! But I'm not, I am
> DIY-impaired.
>
> TammyM

Maybe in the long run... :-)

But it'd only be worth it I think if you hate gas as much as I do!

We all have our quirks. <G>
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> > > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > > news > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Replace the stove with a glass top electric.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will never have to clean a burner again....... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Hmm. Let's weight these options.
> > > >
> > > > A) Buy glass top electric, hate it, kick self every day for the life of the
> > > > appliance.
> > > >
> > > > B) Learn to avoid spilling things all over the burners of a normal stove.
> > > >
> > > > A....B....B....B.....B.....
> > >
> > > Add in running a new 240V circuit to feed that glass top electric vs.
> > > using the existing gas line to feed a new gas cook top.
> > >
> > > Pete C.
> >
> > I have no gas lines into my house. Never have, never will.
> >
> > IMHO running a flammable liquid that can produce CO into my living
> > space...... <shudder>
> >
> > I grew up with gas appliances thru age 17.
> >
> > I do so NOT miss them!
> >
> > Gas stove, gas water heater, gas furnace.
> >
> > At least 1 fire and numerous problems......
> > Plus it's dirty and it stinks.
>
> 1. You're paranoid
> 2. Many people who live where heating costs exceed cooling costs
> prefer gas
> 3. There's a difference between LP and natural gas
> 4. I've had gas appliances for 50 years and have never had any
> problems, including
> excessive repair rates.
> 5. I have an extremely sensitive nose for hydrocarbons, and I can't
> smell gas in my house
> (except when my husband eats hardboiled eggs and beer)
> 6. You're paranoid

Nah. Actually she's prejudiced (grapes/sour).

I heat with propane (retrofitted my boiler to propane from oil).
Propane heating is about 15% less expensive than oil, but is much less
expensive to maintain... but mostly is much cleaner, no oil stink. I
cook with propane (kitchen stove, and Weber). Tossed the last owner's
'lectric stove to the curb. Was a nice top of the line Tappen 'lectric
stove, was gone in an hour.... I hate 'lectric stoves. Propane cooking
is about half the cost of electric.

Sheldon

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
>
> >I also see many families come in to the emergency room in the winter,
> >dead or dying from CO production from dirty gas appliances.
>
> >That shit is just too damned dangerous! I made sure that when dad was
> >living alone and had a gas water heater, he had a carbon monoxide
> >detector. He said it went off a lot whenever the gas turned on to heat
> >the water, but it'd disburse and the alarm would shut off.
>
> >Sorry, but that just makes me cringe.
>
> Huh. We have 3 gas appliances within our living space --
> Wedgewood heater, Spark stove/oven, and standard-issue water
> heater -- we've never had an explosion nor has the CO meter
> ever registered anything -- not even low safe levels of CO, it
> just reads zero. Only a defective or misadjusted gas appliance
> produces CO. The gas appliances are reasonably cheap to maintain
> (in 21 years, we've had the flame detector refrabicated on
> the Wedgewood twice, some other minor repairs like the pilot
> burner replaced a couple other times. The Spark has required no
> mainteinace other than rebuilding the pilot-tube assembly once.
> The water heater has been replaced once.) Just putting in the
> new circuits for electric appliances would easily exceed our
> maintenance costs -- let alone the cost of new applianaces.
>
> A CO reading from the water heater turning on definitely
> requires checking out by a plumber. I'd suspect a squirrel's
> nest in the flue assembly, or a bad unit.
>
> Steve

He was a renter... Landlords are notoriously cheap.
Dad lives with me now so he's safe!

I pity any future renters of that place. :-(

He left the CO detector I bought him. It was installed directly over the
unit.

Terry did the re-wiring for his new stove himself. Cost was less than
$100.00.

They saved that in LP over the winter.

It's assinine in this area!
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In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> A CO reading from the water heater turning on definitely
> requires checking out by a plumber. I'd suspect a squirrel's
> nest in the flue assembly, or a bad unit.
>
> Steve

At least you bothered to install a CO detector.
Many poor families in this area do not........
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Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > > news > > > > > In article >,
> > > > > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > > > >> news > > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > There is no reason to pump gas into homes any more. It's dangerous.
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Peace, Om
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What do you heat with? Oil?
> > > > >
> > > > > ELECTRIC!!!
> > > > > --
> > > > > Peace, Om
> > > >
> > > > Either you live in a not-so-cold place, or you're wealthy. :-)
> > >
> > > I live in South Central Texas. Temps lately have been running from 30 to
> > > 60. Power has been down from the summer heat, about $170.00 per month.
> > >
> > > I know people who run LP heaters spending $300.00+ per month.
> > >
> > > Thanks to oil prices. ;-)
> > > --
> > > Peace, Om
> > >
> > > Remove _ to validate e-mails.
> > >
> > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack
> > > Nicholson
> >
> > North Texas here. Last bills have been about $120 in the no A/C and
> > minimal heat season. Heating is picking up a bit now. LP is cheap enough
> > as I only use it for the burners on my stove and it goes about 10 months
> > on a 20# tank.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> Do you run the burners a lot, or use electric quick cooking appliances?
> I'm just curious... I know folks that save power by using indoor
> electric grills and microwaves.
> --
> Peace, Om
>
> Remove _ to validate e-mails.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Just me here, so I end up cooking intermittently in "normal" sized
batches and freezing leftovers. Gas burners on the stove and electric
ovens (i.e. dual fuel). The microwave sees plenty of coffee and
reheating duty.

Probably $30 of that bill is my server rack and the two full time PCs in
the office. The occasional welding or plasma cutting project in the shop
will add a little spike to the power too.

Pete C.

Skyhooks wrote:
>
> Steve Pope wrote:
> >
> > .....Only a defective or misadjusted gas appliance
> > produces CO. .....
> >
> > Steve
>
> Er, this statement isn't quite true. The use of any natural gas
> appliance _always_ produces CO; CO is a by-product of burning the fuel.
> It's when something goes wrong with the ventilation that CO can become a
> potentially deadly issue.
>
> Sky

CO production is also greater when the burner is out of adjustment.
Startup will produce a momentary CO peak as well.

Pete C.