In article >,
K > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > Not off topic since it does affect chewing...
> >
> > I have it off and on and it's flaring up again. Gods it hurts! I think
> > it's related to developing Osteoarthritis.
> >
> > Dammit, I'm too young for this. Anyone have any advice other than
> > shitloads of Ibuprofen?
>
> You have my sympathy; TMJ is horrible. It's hard to believe just how
> painful it is until you've got it.

It can be... but the pain varies. Depends on how bad it gets.

but thanks.

>
> I'll concur with all those who said "see a dentist and get a retainer
> device". It works. Especially if you're clenching your jaw at night,
> which you said in a later post you are.

Indeed. I just need to find one I can trust and go do it. I need a
checkup anyway.

>
> In the meantime, one thing that I found offered me some temporary
> relief was to push my tongue up against the roof of my mouth as hard
> as possible. The movement forces the lower jaw down, easing the
> clenching. Do it every time you think about doing it.

Huh. That sounds interesting, thanks!
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"cybercat" > wrote:

> Sleep is crucial. It is what I really needed for the six years it took
> me to finish school. I don't miss any now, and I don't let anybody
> shame me out of getting as much as I need. And believe me, they
> try! "Napping during the day?? Must be nice!" "You were still
> SLEEPING at 10 am? Are you sick?"

<snork> Indeed... I tend to not go to bed on time during the week. I
make up for it on weekends and since my friends know I work night
shifts, they respect it.

>
> What galls me about this: my MIL is up with the f-ing chickens
> but accomplishes nothing all day. I run circles around her, but
> generally between 2 pm and 3 or four in the morning. But she
> gets to feel virtuous and I am supposed to feel guilty for not
> getting up at dawn.

Heh! I'd tell her to bite me! I do try to get a LOT accomplished during
waking hours.
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In article >,
cathy > wrote:

> Go to your dentist IMMEDIATELY!! and have him make you a night guard
> for your lower teeth. Not your upper, but your lower. I couldn't
> tolerate the thing on my upper teeth, but on the lower teeth it was
> very easy to ignore. In less than a week I was so comfortable with it
> that it felt weird =without= it. (DON'T get the kind they sell at
> WalMart or the sporting goods store. You need one that's custom fit by
> your dentist). Listen to my experience and see if it'll help convince
> you to go to your dentist ASAP.
>
> About a year ago, during a regular dental checkup, my dentist looked
> at my teeth and said "you know, you grind your teeth. If you don't do
> something about it you won't have any teeth left by the time you're
> 50" (which was immensily flattering as I AM 50!). He said I needed a
> night guard, and made one for me then and there. Took less than a half
> hour.
>
> Now, I have bad allergies and get sinus headaches regularly. Bad ones,
> that are there when I wake up in the morning and sometimes don't go
> away at all during the day, no matter what meds I take. In fact, that
> day at the dentist I had a particularly bad one.
>
> So that very night I start using the night guard, it wasn't
> uncomfortable at all. A week later I suddenly realized I hadn't had a
> sinus headache in a week. And then a month went by, then two....well,
> I haven't had a single solitary sinus headache in A YEAR!!! Not since
> the day I started using the night guard! Turns out it wasn't sinus but
> TMJ and the night guard was like a miracle cure, for me.
>
> Now I'm not saying you'll have the same results, but what does it hurt
> to try? Stop procrastinating, it's totally painless to get one made
> (well, except for your checkbook) and totally painless to use. Please,
> don't wait any longer!
>
> Cathy

I rarely get sinus headaches. I'll have to pass this on to my Co-worker
that gets migraines.

I wonder if it'd help her?

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In article >,
Karen AKA Kajikit > wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:09:28 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >See my last post... I tend to clench my jaws when I'm falling asleep to
> >the point where I even bite my tongue. The pain wakes me up.
> >
> >I now prop my jaw shut with a pillow when I remember to do it. That
> >might be contributing but it's involuntary, so how does one control
> >something like that?
>
> Clenching teeth is very bad for your jaw... a night mouthguard might
> actually help you to keep your jaw in the right position.

That seems to be the consensus.

>
> I had a lifelong habit of leaning on my hand, and it was screwing my
> jaw up on that side... fortunately I had to break it when I got a
> pinched nerve in my arm, so I only have minor jaw effects.
>
> Relaxation therapy is supposed to be very good for tmj too - the
> muscle tightness and pain can become a vicious circle.

Indeed... I'm sure the increased stress lately is contributing.
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:41:01 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> cathy > wrote:
>
>> Go to your dentist IMMEDIATELY!! and have him make you a night guard
>> for your lower teeth. Not your upper, but your lower. I couldn't
>> tolerate the thing on my upper teeth, but on the lower teeth it was
>> very easy to ignore. In less than a week I was so comfortable with it
>> that it felt weird =without= it. (DON'T get the kind they sell at
>> WalMart or the sporting goods store. You need one that's custom fit by
>> your dentist). Listen to my experience and see if it'll help convince
>> you to go to your dentist ASAP.
>>
>> About a year ago, during a regular dental checkup, my dentist looked
>> at my teeth and said "you know, you grind your teeth. If you don't do
>> something about it you won't have any teeth left by the time you're
>> 50" (which was immensily flattering as I AM 50!). He said I needed a
>> night guard, and made one for me then and there. Took less than a half
>> hour.
>>
>> Now, I have bad allergies and get sinus headaches regularly. Bad ones,
>> that are there when I wake up in the morning and sometimes don't go
>> away at all during the day, no matter what meds I take. In fact, that
>> day at the dentist I had a particularly bad one.
>>
>> So that very night I start using the night guard, it wasn't
>> uncomfortable at all. A week later I suddenly realized I hadn't had a
>> sinus headache in a week. And then a month went by, then two....well,
>> I haven't had a single solitary sinus headache in A YEAR!!! Not since
>> the day I started using the night guard! Turns out it wasn't sinus but
>> TMJ and the night guard was like a miracle cure, for me.
>>
>> Now I'm not saying you'll have the same results, but what does it hurt
>> to try? Stop procrastinating, it's totally painless to get one made
>> (well, except for your checkbook) and totally painless to use. Please,
>> don't wait any longer!
>>
>> Cathy
>
>I rarely get sinus headaches. I'll have to pass this on to my Co-worker
>that gets migraines.
>
>I wonder if it'd help her?
>
>Thanks!

Sorry, one more point I should have made - there are many different
symptoms of TMJ, not everyone has the same ones. Just because you
don't get sinus headaches doesnt' mean the night guard won't help.

In my case , aside from the jaw pain, I got intense sinus headaches.
At least, that what I called them, based on what other people
described as sinus headache. It turned out that it wasn't sinus at
all, but caused by the intense pressure my jaw muscles and tendons
were under when I sleep. I would always wake up around 4 or 5 in the
morning with these headaches, and sometimes they'd last all day. I
truly don't understand how a relatively thin piece of....rubber?
(Silicone? Not sure what the exact material is) can make such a
drastic difference. But after suffering from those headaches for years
and years, I haven't had one in over a year now.

But yes, I urge anyone with sinus headaches to at least try a night
guard. It's totally painless and totally non-invasive both to make and
to wear, and there's no medication of any kind involved at any point..
You can't get much better than that.

cathy

Omelet wrote:
> Not off topic since it does affect chewing...
>
> I have it off and on and it's flaring up again. Gods it hurts! I think
> it's related to developing Osteoarthritis.
>
> Dammit, I'm too young for this. Anyone have any advice other than
> shitloads of Ibuprofen?


Go to a sports supply store and get a mouth guard -- the kind that you
soften in hot water and then bite into it to fit it. Wear that when you
sleep to prevent grinding your teeth at night. When the flair-up is over,
you can probably stop using the mouth guard.

The jaw pain can cause teeth grinding in your sleep, which makes the TMJ
worse. The cushion from the mouth guard brakes the cycle. HTH

Bob

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>>> I'm just wondering if I could sleep with a device in my mouth.
>>> That's the only thing that has stopped me from trying it.
>> Having worn a retainer for a number of years, yeah, you could sleep with it
>> in your mouth. After a few nights you wouldn't even notice it. It's fitted
>> using a mold taken of your upper and lower jaw. I'd sure recommend that
>> rather than what you describe especially since, as you say, you have
>> insurance. However, not all insurance covers treatment or devices for TMJ
>> so you need to read your policy information or call your insurance carrier
>> first.
>>
>> Jill
>
> True dat. I'll snag a manual from HR and see.
>
> I agree that a fitted device should be more comfortable than one from
> the sporting goods store...
>
> Thanks.


A dentist is the one who recommended the sporting goods store. He said he
could charge me several hundred dollars to fit one, or I could pay about $2
and fit it myself.

Bob

Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article >,
> Karen AKA Kajikit > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:09:28 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >See my last post... I tend to clench my jaws when I'm falling asleep
>> >to the point where I even bite my tongue. The pain wakes me up.
>> >
>> >I now prop my jaw shut with a pillow when I remember to do it. That
>> >might be contributing but it's involuntary, so how does one control
>> >something like that?
>>
>> Clenching teeth is very bad for your jaw... a night mouthguard might
>> actually help you to keep your jaw in the right position.
>
> That seems to be the consensus.
>
>>
>> I had a lifelong habit of leaning on my hand, and it was screwing my
>> jaw up on that side... fortunately I had to break it when I got a
>> pinched nerve in my arm, so I only have minor jaw effects.
>>
>> Relaxation therapy is supposed to be very good for tmj too - the
>> muscle tightness and pain can become a vicious circle.
>
> Indeed... I'm sure the increased stress lately is contributing.



So go get a frikken Occlusal Splint.



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In article >,
Karen AKA Kajikit > wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:26:48 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >Oddly enough, it seems to come and go. It's been a very long time since
> >I've had to deal with this.
> >
> >Makes me wonder if the recent increase in stress at work has anything to
> >do with it? Increased workload, and I just got another "task" dropped on
> >me...
>
> I'd say that's a no-brainer. Stress increases muscle tension, and it's
> the excess muscle tension that causes the TMJ... Learn to relax...

Try working night shift in a hospital lab with a boss that likes to dump
clerical work on the staff, then say that. <G>

I'm trying tho'.......

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In article >,
cathy > wrote:

> Sorry, one more point I should have made - there are many different
> symptoms of TMJ, not everyone has the same ones. Just because you
> don't get sinus headaches doesnt' mean the night guard won't help.
>
> In my case , aside from the jaw pain, I got intense sinus headaches.
> At least, that what I called them, based on what other people
> described as sinus headache. It turned out that it wasn't sinus at
> all, but caused by the intense pressure my jaw muscles and tendons
> were under when I sleep. I would always wake up around 4 or 5 in the
> morning with these headaches, and sometimes they'd last all day. I
> truly don't understand how a relatively thin piece of....rubber?
> (Silicone? Not sure what the exact material is) can make such a
> drastic difference. But after suffering from those headaches for years
> and years, I haven't had one in over a year now.
>
> But yes, I urge anyone with sinus headaches to at least try a night
> guard. It's totally painless and totally non-invasive both to make and
> to wear, and there's no medication of any kind involved at any point..
> You can't get much better than that.
>
> cathy

Oh I understand... I've done some googling and the symptoms of TMJ are
very varied! I only get ear aches and facial pain over the mandibular
joint. It's not even that serious, just very annoying and Ibuprofen
controls it fairly well.

There are others _far_ worse off!

It might help too that I have a high pain tolerance (probably a side
effect of growing up with IBS) but not everybody does.
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In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > Not off topic since it does affect chewing...
> >
> > I have it off and on and it's flaring up again. Gods it hurts! I think
> > it's related to developing Osteoarthritis.
> >
> > Dammit, I'm too young for this. Anyone have any advice other than
> > shitloads of Ibuprofen?
>
>
> Go to a sports supply store and get a mouth guard -- the kind that you
> soften in hot water and then bite into it to fit it. Wear that when you
> sleep to prevent grinding your teeth at night. When the flair-up is over,
> you can probably stop using the mouth guard.
>
> The jaw pain can cause teeth grinding in your sleep, which makes the TMJ
> worse. The cushion from the mouth guard brakes the cycle. HTH
>
> Bob

So it's a cyclical thing. One exacerbates the other. ;-)

That makes 4 votes for a mouth guard.

It's time for me to see a dentist anyway... I got a local recommendation
this morning from a retired Dentist that works out at the same gym I do.
He had to retire due to loss of dexterity. He has ALS... He is trying IV
injections of Glutathione for it and it seems to be helping.

IMHO a recommendation from another in the same field sounds good to me!

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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:08:56 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>So what is the group census on the best beer to use for cooking?

I use the cheap stuff. Henry Weinhart is as expensive as it gets in
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In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >
> >>> I'm just wondering if I could sleep with a device in my mouth.
> >>> That's the only thing that has stopped me from trying it.
> >> Having worn a retainer for a number of years, yeah, you could sleep with
> >> it
> >> in your mouth. After a few nights you wouldn't even notice it. It's
> >> fitted
> >> using a mold taken of your upper and lower jaw. I'd sure recommend that
> >> rather than what you describe especially since, as you say, you have
> >> insurance. However, not all insurance covers treatment or devices for TMJ
> >> so you need to read your policy information or call your insurance carrier
> >> first.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > True dat. I'll snag a manual from HR and see.
> >
> > I agree that a fitted device should be more comfortable than one from
> > the sporting goods store...
> >
> > Thanks.
>
>
> A dentist is the one who recommended the sporting goods store. He said he
> could charge me several hundred dollars to fit one, or I could pay about $2
> and fit it myself.
>
> Bob

Hm. Could not hurt to check it out at least.
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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> So go get a frikken Occlusal Splint.

I'll have to google for that. ;-)
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Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
:

> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>> So go get a frikken Occlusal Splint.
>
> I'll have to google for that. ;-)



http://tinyurl.com/y622ev



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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

>
> http://tinyurl.com/y622ev
>
>
>
> --
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PeterL wrote:

>
> With an Occlusal Splint.
>
> I wear one every night when I go to bed.
>

I'll vouch for that. I also wear mine if I'm going to be driving long
distances -- I tend to clench when I'm stressed and end up exhausted.

I couldn't believe the difference in the quality of my sleep when I
used my bite plane.

Gabby

Gabby said...

>
> PeterL wrote:
>
>>
>> With an Occlusal Splint.
>>
>> I wear one every night when I go to bed.
>>
>
> I'll vouch for that. I also wear mine if I'm going to be driving long
> distances -- I tend to clench when I'm stressed and end up exhausted.
>
> I couldn't believe the difference in the quality of my sleep when I
> used my bite plane.
>
> Gabby


Gabby,

Is that you? http://www.tinyurl.com/yguecf

Actually just this past week I bought a "Doctor's Night Guard" from CVS,
because I've recently begun clenching my teeth in my sleep.

You boil it for 1/2 minute, then bite it to form then cool it in water and
it sets up a perfect fit. It's taking some getting used to but it is a
relief. $25 USD.

I'd made an appointment with my dentist but canceled. The receptionist said
their version cost $400. Geez...

All the best,

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Gabby said...
>

> > I'll vouch for that. I also wear mine if I'm going to be driving long
> > distances -- I tend to clench when I'm stressed and end up exhausted.
> >
> > I couldn't believe the difference in the quality of my sleep when I
> > used my bite plane.
> >
> > Gabby
>
>
> Gabby,
>
> Is that you? http://www.tinyurl.com/yguecf

Kinda looks like I did in high school. But "Gabby" comes from my
character in a play.

y just this past week I bought a "Doctor's Night Guard" from CVS,
> because I've recently begun clenching my teeth in my sleep.
>
> You boil it for 1/2 minute, then bite it to form then cool it in water and
> it sets up a perfect fit. It's taking some getting used to but it is a
> relief. $25 USD.
>
> I'd made an appointment with my dentist but canceled. The receptionist said
> their version cost $400. Geez...

The cost for my last one was over $300 but insurance paid 80%.

I accidentally dropped my original appliance in the waste basket by my
bed so needed a new one. Went to my local dentist who asked if I
wanted him to make me one or to have it made by a lab. Lab, please.
When it came back it was a disaster -- didn't cover my back teeth (he'd
done a lousy imprint), was put in with hooks instead of just fitting
snug. Every time I bit down it clicked -- not something you want when
you're trying to get rid of a click in your jaw. I'd paid for this one
myself and ended up chucking it in the garbage -- on purpose this time.

Luckily around that time I had to fly to my daughter's grad in the city
where we'd formerly lived so went back to my old dentist who fixed me
up with a new appliance.

Gabby

Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
:

> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/y622ev
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
>
> iow a mouth guard.


No.


It is a personally fitted plate to guard against *your* affliction.


A mouth guard you can pick up in frikken KMart and stick in some hot
water and whack in your gob.


Been there, done that. They last about 2 weeks.

And you look like/feel like a frikken spastic when you have it (plastic
mouth guard) in.


I wear my O/S a lot of times in public. Not a lot of people actually
know I'm wearing it.



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In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> Gabby,
>
> Is that you? http://www.tinyurl.com/yguecf
>
> Actually just this past week I bought a "Doctor's Night Guard" from CVS,
> because I've recently begun clenching my teeth in my sleep.
>
> You boil it for 1/2 minute, then bite it to form then cool it in water and
> it sets up a perfect fit. It's taking some getting used to but it is a
> relief. $25 USD.
>
> I'd made an appointment with my dentist but canceled. The receptionist said
> their version cost $400. Geez...
>
> All the best,
>
> Andy

Hey thanks for that Andy!

A CVS just recently opened up here in town. :-)

I did some checking and my insurance was not going to cover it.

I owe ya one.
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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> I wear my O/S a lot of times in public. Not a lot of people actually
> know I'm wearing it.
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

I don't have any reason to wear one in public...
The problem only occurs during sleep.
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Omelet said...

> In article >, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>> Gabby,
>>
>> Is that you? http://www.tinyurl.com/yguecf
>>
>> Actually just this past week I bought a "Doctor's Night Guard" from
>> CVS, because I've recently begun clenching my teeth in my sleep.
>>
>> You boil it for 1/2 minute, then bite it to form then cool it in water
>> and it sets up a perfect fit. It's taking some getting used to but it
>> is a relief. $25 USD.
>>
>> I'd made an appointment with my dentist but canceled. The receptionist
>> said their version cost $400. Geez...
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Hey thanks for that Andy!
>
> A CVS just recently opened up here in town. :-)
>
> I did some checking and my insurance was not going to cover it.
>
> I owe ya one.

Oh... Oh... hold on...

Om, I don't know anything about TMJ! I'm just a jerk with an appetite. I'm
not a professional and don't even play one on TV! I can't be trusted,
except for a two-minute egg.

Andy

Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
:

> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>> I wear my O/S a lot of times in public. Not a lot of people actually
>> know I'm wearing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
>
> I don't have any reason to wear one in public...
> The problem only occurs during sleep.



OK. Different circumstances.



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Andy <q> wrote in :


> I'm not a professional and don't even play one on TV! I can't be
> trusted, except for a two-minute egg.
>
> Andy
>



So go boil me one.............. and make sure it's bloody done right!!



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PeterL said...

> Andy <q> wrote in :
>
>
>> I'm not a professional and don't even play one on TV! I can't be
>> trusted, except for a two-minute egg.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
>
>
> So go boil me one.............. and make sure it's bloody done right!!


You sound like my brother!

Andy

Andy <q> wrote in :

> PeterL said...
>
>> Andy <q> wrote in :
>>
>>
>>> I'm not a professional and don't even play one on TV! I can't be
>>> trusted, except for a two-minute egg.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So go boil me one.............. and make sure it's bloody done
right!!
>
>
> You sound like my brother!
>


Obviously the older brother.

If it's the younger brother............ you have *real* issus!!



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PeterL said...

> Andy <q> wrote in :
>
>> PeterL said...
>>
>>> Andy <q> wrote in :
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm not a professional and don't even play one on TV! I can't be
>>>> trusted, except for a two-minute egg.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So go boil me one.............. and make sure it's bloody done
> right!!
>>
>>
>> You sound like my brother!
>>
>
>
> Obviously the older brother.
>
> If it's the younger brother............ you have *real* issus!!


Yeah, the older brother by 8 years.

Andy

Omelet wrote:

> See my last post... I tend to clench my jaws when I'm falling asleep to
> the point where I even bite my tongue. The pain wakes me up.
>
> I now prop my jaw shut with a pillow when I remember to do it. That
> might be contributing but it's involuntary, so how does one control
> something like that?

Depending on why you're clenching your jaw (if you have more than
one...) you might get some relief from doing relaxation exercizes when
you lie down, like the corpse asana, or visualization.

If it's something specific going on in your life (work, home, family,
politics) it helps to deal with those, decide on concrete things you
can do, and accept the ones you can't act on.

But the main thing is to make an appointment with your dentist and get
checked for any physical problems first.

I have 3 caps from grinding my teeth til they broke. That's even
worse.

maxine in ri

Andy said...

>>>> So go boil me one.............. and make sure it's bloody done
>> right!!
>>>
>>>
>>> You sound like my brother!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously the older brother.
>>
>> If it's the younger brother............ you have *real* issus!!
>
>
> Yeah, the older brother by 8 years.
>
> Andy


I did have the pleasure at 6 y.o. of sending him to the floor by kicking
him in the nuts. Self-defense! I ran away for the rest of the day until I
got sent home.

He got sent to Viet Nam, and came home different. Dammit!

Andy

In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> > Hey thanks for that Andy!
> >
> > A CVS just recently opened up here in town. :-)
> >
> > I did some checking and my insurance was not going to cover it.
> >
> > I owe ya one.
>
> Oh... Oh... hold on...
>
> Om, I don't know anything about TMJ! I'm just a jerk with an appetite. I'm
> not a professional and don't even play one on TV! I can't be trusted,
> except for a two-minute egg.
>
> Andy

Andy,

if you were clenching your teeth in the night, you may have been headed
for TMJ. ;-)
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In article . com>,
"maxine in ri" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > See my last post... I tend to clench my jaws when I'm falling asleep to
> > the point where I even bite my tongue. The pain wakes me up.
> >
> > I now prop my jaw shut with a pillow when I remember to do it. That
> > might be contributing but it's involuntary, so how does one control
> > something like that?
>
> Depending on why you're clenching your jaw (if you have more than
> one...) you might get some relief from doing relaxation exercizes when
> you lie down, like the corpse asana, or visualization.
>
> If it's something specific going on in your life (work, home, family,
> politics) it helps to deal with those, decide on concrete things you
> can do, and accept the ones you can't act on.
>
> But the main thing is to make an appointment with your dentist and get
> checked for any physical problems first.
>
> I have 3 caps from grinding my teeth til they broke. That's even
> worse.
>
> maxine in ri

Knocking on wood, I've not damaged my teeth (yet) but the tongue biting
affects my speech when it does happen due to the swelling.

It's a PITA.

I have a referral now so will be scheduling an appt. in January, right
after my annual Endocrinolgist's appt.

Relaxation visualization is something I'm familiar with. I use it on
rare occasions for insomnia but don't practice it that often as
Melatonin works well for me.

Might be time to change that. ;-)

As for work stress, if the boss let's me pass on one level of
responsibility, that will reduce it drastically!
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Andy <q> wrote in :

> Andy said...
>
>>>>> So go boil me one.............. and make sure it's bloody done
>>> right!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You sound like my brother!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously the older brother.
>>>
>>> If it's the younger brother............ you have *real* issus!!
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the older brother by 8 years.
>>
>> Andy
>
>
> I did have the pleasure at 6 y.o. of sending him to the floor by
> kicking him in the nuts. Self-defense! I ran away for the rest of the
> day until I got sent home.

LOL!!!


>
> He got sent to Viet Nam, and came home different. Dammit!
>


You don't want to go kicking him in the nuts anymore :-)


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Australia

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Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article . com>,
> "maxine in ri" > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>> > See my last post... I tend to clench my jaws when I'm falling
>> > asleep to the point where I even bite my tongue. The pain wakes me
>> > up.
>> >
>> > I now prop my jaw shut with a pillow when I remember to do it. That
>> > might be contributing but it's involuntary, so how does one control
>> > something like that?
>>
>> Depending on why you're clenching your jaw (if you have more than
>> one...) you might get some relief from doing relaxation exercizes
>> when you lie down, like the corpse asana, or visualization.
>>
>> If it's something specific going on in your life (work, home, family,
>> politics) it helps to deal with those, decide on concrete things you
>> can do, and accept the ones you can't act on.
>>
>> But the main thing is to make an appointment with your dentist and
>> get checked for any physical problems first.
>>
>> I have 3 caps from grinding my teeth til they broke. That's even
>> worse.
>>
>> maxine in ri
>
> Knocking on wood, I've not damaged my teeth (yet) but the tongue
> biting affects my speech when it does happen due to the swelling.
>
> It's a PITA.


I haven't bitten my tongue *that* hard that it swells up.... mine just
kinda gets nipped and bleeds a bit.

But I have broken one of my teeth through clenching (from pain). That
brought on a trip to see a Specialist, who then ordered the Dept of
Defence to pay for my Occlusal Splint.


>
> I have a referral now so will be scheduling an appt. in January, right
> after my annual Endocrinolgist's appt.


Might be wise to get one of those plastic sports mouthguards to do you
in the meantime.


>
> Relaxation visualization is something I'm familiar with. I use it on
> rare occasions for insomnia but don't practice it that often as
> Melatonin works well for me.


Just did a bit of Googling on melatonin......... I'm going to have to
get me some of that stuff!!!



--
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Australia

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Omelet wrote:
> Hm. Aleve never worked for me for any other pain... Does it have
> specific uses? It never helped other joint pain from arthritis.
>
> Tylenol does nothing for me either.
>
> Did you get a fitted night guard or a generic one?

I usually only used Aleve for menstrual pain. It's good for pain caused
by muscle spasms and seems to help some with my TMJ pain.

I have a dentist-fitted guard. I go in every few months to have it
adjusted.

--Charlene

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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> > Knocking on wood, I've not damaged my teeth (yet) but the tongue
> > biting affects my speech when it does happen due to the swelling.
> >
> > It's a PITA.
>
>
> I haven't bitten my tongue *that* hard that it swells up.... mine just
> kinda gets nipped and bleeds a bit.

The back of my tongue swells enough so that it hits my teeth when I
talk, and causes a slight lisp.

>
> But I have broken one of my teeth through clenching (from pain). That
> brought on a trip to see a Specialist, who then ordered the Dept of
> Defence to pay for my Occlusal Splint.

Sorry. :-(

>
>
> >
> > I have a referral now so will be scheduling an appt. in January, right
> > after my annual Endocrinolgist's appt.
>
>
> Might be wise to get one of those plastic sports mouthguards to do you
> in the meantime.

I plan on hitting CVS tomorrow.

>
>
> >
> > Relaxation visualization is something I'm familiar with. I use it on
> > rare occasions for insomnia but don't practice it that often as
> > Melatonin works well for me.
>
>
> Just did a bit of Googling on melatonin......... I'm going to have to
> get me some of that stuff!!!
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

Melatonin works well for me. The dosage is very individual so if it does
not work, increase it. If the morning grogginess is too bad, cut back on
it. It makes me a bit groggy when I first wake up but it wears off in
about 10 to 15 minutes, then I'm fine.

And watch out for the dreams...... A common side effect (initially) is
weird dreams. Not nightmares per se', just weird dreams. That goes away
after a month or so once your mind catches up on all of the sleep you've
lost, or so it seems.

It's also a longevity supplement, and is supposed to help prevent colon
cancer as well.
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In article >,
Charlene Charette > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > Hm. Aleve never worked for me for any other pain... Does it have
> > specific uses? It never helped other joint pain from arthritis.
> >
> > Tylenol does nothing for me either.
> >
> > Did you get a fitted night guard or a generic one?
>
> I usually only used Aleve for menstrual pain. It's good for pain caused
> by muscle spasms and seems to help some with my TMJ pain.

So far, Ibuprofen works for both... I'll probably stick with it since
Aleve has failed me so badly.

>
> I have a dentist-fitted guard. I go in every few months to have it
> adjusted.
>
> --Charlene

Thanks!
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Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
:

>
>>
>> But I have broken one of my teeth through clenching (from pain). That
>> brought on a trip to see a Specialist, who then ordered the Dept of
>> Defence to pay for my Occlusal Splint.
>
> Sorry. :-(


Thanks, but no need for it. I'm alive, I have all my limbs, I'm retired,
the fishing and crabbing is good, life is good :-)



>>
>>
>> Just did a bit of Googling on melatonin......... I'm going to have to
>> get me some of that stuff!!!
>>

>
> Melatonin works well for me. The dosage is very individual so if it does
> not work, increase it. If the morning grogginess is too bad, cut back on
> it. It makes me a bit groggy when I first wake up but it wears off in
> about 10 to 15 minutes, then I'm fine.


What size tablets do you take?
Looking online, it seems we have 3mg 5x
and 3mg 6x
and 5mg 6x

http://tinyurl.com/sam9j



>
> And watch out for the dreams...... A common side effect (initially) is
> weird dreams. Not nightmares per se', just weird dreams.



Weird dreams would be a blessing :-)
They might just stop the nighmares.



>That goes away
> after a month or so once your mind catches up on all of the sleep you've
> lost, or so it seems.


Sleep debt. After about 30 odd years of 4 hour sleeps, I think I might be
owed a couple of hours :-)


>
> It's also a longevity supplement, and is supposed to help prevent colon
> cancer as well.

Bonus!!

It's sold in Health Food shops over here, so as soon as I get some spare
time, I'm going to be getting a couple of bottles. One for me, and one for
the SO :-)


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Australia

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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> > Sorry. :-(
>
>
> Thanks, but no need for it. I'm alive, I have all my limbs, I'm retired,
> the fishing and crabbing is good, life is good :-)
>

Attitude is good, that makes the difference. :-)

I love this quite from Ben Franklin:

"Humans are the only animal that can change their entire life by simply
changing their attitude", or something like that.

I try to live my life somewhat by that concept.

I've found that attitude is everything.

> > Melatonin works well for me. The dosage is very individual so if it does
> > not work, increase it. If the morning grogginess is too bad, cut back on
> > it. It makes me a bit groggy when I first wake up but it wears off in
> > about 10 to 15 minutes, then I'm fine.
>
>
> What size tablets do you take?
> Looking online, it seems we have 3mg 5x
> and 3mg 6x
> and 5mg 6x
>
> http://tinyurl.com/sam9j

Avoid the homeopathic one. Homeopathy has it's place but in my opinion
(ymmv), dosage is everything with Melatonin, or so I have found from
personal experience.

I use a sub-lingual, "Source Naturals" brand at 2.5 mg. Orange flavored.
I take anywhere from 1/2 of one to 2 complete ones depending on how many
hours of sleep I want to get.

Unlike sleep drugs, I can still sleep lightly and am awakened by changes
in sounds that I am attuned to. They just help you sleep more soundly,
they don't knock you out.

> >
> > And watch out for the dreams...... A common side effect (initially) is
> > weird dreams. Not nightmares per se', just weird dreams.
>
>
>
> Weird dreams would be a blessing :-)
> They might just stop the nighmares.

Perhaps...
but I have occasionally had precognitive dreams using it.
That's not always a blessing.

You might not have the genetics for that tho'.

> >That goes away
> > after a month or so once your mind catches up on all of the sleep you've
> > lost, or so it seems.
>
>
> Sleep debt. After about 30 odd years of 4 hour sleeps, I think I might be
> owed a couple of hours :-)

Heh! That's the way I see it....
Melatonin does not work for everyone but I think that those it does not
work for might not be using it right. That's very much a personal
opinion tho'.

5-HTP is another natural sleep aid worth looking in to. I'm giving it to
my dad at the moment as Melatonin was not enough for him.

> >
> > It's also a longevity supplement, and is supposed to help prevent colon
> > cancer as well.
>
> Bonus!!
>
> It's sold in Health Food shops over here, so as soon as I get some spare
> time, I'm going to be getting a couple of bottles. One for me, and one for
> the SO :-)

I hope it helps you as much as it did me.......
Chronic sleep deprivation is a real problem.
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