Farce Milverk wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Farce Milverk wrote:
> >> "elaine" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Sorry - I know this has been discussed before. But I wasn't paying
> >>> attention.
> >>>
> >>> Is tilia a good product and would it make sense for just a 2 person
> >>> household?
> >>>
> >>> Need ideas for my kids to get me for christmas and I was looking at
> >>> these particular food savers at costco.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> elaine
> >>
> >>
> >> This sounds like a fabricated marketing thread to me.
> >>
> > You sound like a fabricated poster.
> >
> >> I have never heard of this product and have no idea what use it might
> >> serve.
> >>
> > I've never heard of you, either. Does that make you any less real? Hmmm,
> > perhaps it does.
> >
> >> Lemme guess, 19.95?
> >>
> > Wrong, dude. They cost a tad more than that, about $75-100 more.
> >
> > Sorry, Charlie. The Tilia Food Sealer is a very well known piece of
> > equipment and many of us own one. Just because you have never heard of
> > such
> > a thing doesn't make it a marketing gimmick. Elaine didn't post a link to
> > a
> > web site and announce she just "discovered" this wonderful thing...
> >
> > Now go away, boy, you bother me.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> >
>
> Hi Jill,
>
> I'm a professionally trained Chef / Le Cordon Bleu degree in Culinary Arts.
> I'm also ServSafe certified.
>
> I have NEVER heard of this product in my 30+ years of cooking.
>
> What is it you do again?

Ever notice that there is a 'slight' difference between professional
and home kitchens?

I worked in pro kitchens for about 7 years and never saw a blender. I
did have to us a microwave one day but it was hard to find one in the
building.

On the other hand I've never seen a home kitchen with a buffalo or a
china-cap strainer.

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> The Tilia Foodsaver is well-known among food professionals. The fact that
> you've never heard of it indicates that you're lying about your culinary
> qualifications.

If anyone wants a FoodSaver, I found the 800 series at Kohls.com marked
down to $49.99 from $159.99. Not sure how long they are on sale for
.....

--Lin

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Peter A wrote:
>
>> We are a 2-person household and like our Tilia a lot. But then we have a
>> huge freezer and like to stock up on meats, and we also fish and
>> sometimes have huge catches that benefit from the vacuum sealing. It
>> depends on how you like to shop and cook more than anything.
>>
> This family of two enjoys our Foodsaver too. I pick up economy
> packs of meat on sale, split them up and seal them up with the
> Foodsaver.


That's what I use my Tilia for. I can buy the packages of 6 pork chops when
they're buy one, get one free and we don't have to eat pork chops every
night. Two packages generally lasts us until the next sale. I rarely pay
full price for meats. I buy enough when they're on sale to last until the
next sale. I couldn't do that without the Tilia.

Ms P

"ms_peacock" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Peter A wrote:
>>
>>> We are a 2-person household and like our Tilia a lot. But then we have a
>>> huge freezer and like to stock up on meats, and we also fish and
>>> sometimes have huge catches that benefit from the vacuum sealing. It
>>> depends on how you like to shop and cook more than anything.
>>>
>> This family of two enjoys our Foodsaver too. I pick up economy
>> packs of meat on sale, split them up and seal them up with the
>> Foodsaver.
>
>
> That's what I use my Tilia for. I can buy the packages of 6 pork chops
> when they're buy one, get one free and we don't have to eat pork chops
> every night. Two packages generally lasts us until the next sale. I
> rarely pay full price for meats. I buy enough when they're on sale to
> last until the next sale. I couldn't do that without the Tilia.
>
> Ms P

Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
gadget to seal them.

Farce Milverk wrote:
> "elaine" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sorry - I know this has been discussed before. But I wasn't paying
> > attention.
> >
> > Is tilia a good product and would it make sense for just a 2 person
> > household?
> >
> > Need ideas for my kids to get me for christmas and I was looking at these
> > particular food savers at costco.
> >
> > --
> > elaine
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just put the food in a ziploc bag and roll the air out of it. Throw it in
> the freezer or fridge.
>
> After 7 days throw it out if stored in the fridge.
> If you store in the freezer, throw it out if you see any crystallization.
>
> Unless you are a distributor of foodstuffs, or a food pack-rat, you don't
> need such a device. You'll end up spreding your retirement $ on bags alone
> otherwise.
>
> This is a huge gimmick and rippoff...

You are an idiot. If you have never heard of A Food Saver, how do you
know they are a gimmick and a ripoff. My Food Saver has saved me tons
of money and has paid for itself over and over. I am on disability so
every penny counts. I buy things on sale and repackage by vacuum
sealing. The bags can be washed and reused, plus Walmart has their own
brand that is cheaper and work just as well. Those of us that have them
and wouldn't be without one, speak from experience. You, on the
otherhand have no idea what you are talking about. So why don't you go
back where you came from (which I am sure has nothing to do with
cooking) and stay there. Maybe you should try to learn something about
REAL kitchens.
Vickie

"Vickie in Utah" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Farce Milverk wrote:
>> "elaine" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Sorry - I know this has been discussed before. But I wasn't paying
>> > attention.
>> >
>> > Is tilia a good product and would it make sense for just a 2 person
>> > household?
>> >
>> > Need ideas for my kids to get me for christmas and I was looking at
>> > these
>> > particular food savers at costco.
>> >
>> > --
>> > elaine
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just put the food in a ziploc bag and roll the air out of it. Throw it
>> in
>> the freezer or fridge.
>>
>> After 7 days throw it out if stored in the fridge.
>> If you store in the freezer, throw it out if you see any crystallization.
>>
>> Unless you are a distributor of foodstuffs, or a food pack-rat, you don't
>> need such a device. You'll end up spreding your retirement $ on bags
>> alone
>> otherwise.
>>
>> This is a huge gimmick and rippoff...
>
> You are an idiot. If you have never heard of A Food Saver, how do you
> know they are a gimmick and a ripoff. My Food Saver has saved me tons
> of money and has paid for itself over and over. I am on disability so
> every penny counts. I buy things on sale and repackage by vacuum
> sealing. The bags can be washed and reused, plus Walmart has their own
> brand that is cheaper and work just as well. Those of us that have them
> and wouldn't be without one, speak from experience. You, on the
> otherhand have no idea what you are talking about. So why don't you go
> back where you came from (which I am sure has nothing to do with
> cooking) and stay there. Maybe you should try to learn something about
> REAL kitchens.
> Vickie
>

Could you please be more straighforward with your opinion of the OP?

(Just kidding) :-) I want you as a neighbor. :-)

> If you store in the freezer, throw it out if you see any > >
crystallization.



Well DUH, it's just that crystalization that the vacuum sealing
prevents.

--
Peter Aitken

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>
> > Well then you must be a very ill-informed professional or trained too
> > long ago...as vaccum pakaging is a widely used food packaging method
> > these days...I guess you don't get out much what with the Cordon business
> > being so busy this time of year. I hope that improves for you.
> >
>
> I wonder... is this the plastic cooking "bag" being used in trendy NYC
> restaurants that are doing some sort of "boiling bag" dinners? I wish I
> could recall what I read, but the gist of it is that restaurants are
> trying to cook (perhaps at a low simmer) but the health department isn't
> yet comfortable with the idea? Is this ringing anyones bell and sound
> familiar?

Here's an article in the NYTimes to which you might refer (?) --
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/ny...er=a-b&emc=rss

or

http://tinyurl.com/yf8l7g

HTH.

Sky

JoeSpareBedroom said...

> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
> gadget to seal them.


Joe,

Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer bag
will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
resulting in freezer burn.

Andy

"Skyhooks" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba38 wrote:
>>
>> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>>
>> > Well then you must be a very ill-informed professional or trained too
>> > long ago...as vaccum pakaging is a widely used food packaging method
>> > these days...I guess you don't get out much what with the Cordon
>> > business
>> > being so busy this time of year. I hope that improves for you.
>> >
>>
>> I wonder... is this the plastic cooking "bag" being used in trendy NYC
>> restaurants that are doing some sort of "boiling bag" dinners? I wish I
>> could recall what I read, but the gist of it is that restaurants are
>> trying to cook (perhaps at a low simmer) but the health department isn't
>> yet comfortable with the idea? Is this ringing anyones bell and sound
>> familiar?
>
> Here's an article in the NYTimes to which you might refer (?) --
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/ny...er=a-b&emc=rss
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yf8l7g
>
> HTH.
>
> Sky

What they are NOT addressing is what (if anything) happens when the plastic
is heated during the cooking process. I'm not talking about melting, either.
I'm referring to what compounds might be released from the plastic. I'll
never trust the process.

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
>
> > If you store in the freezer, throw it out if you see any > >
> crystallization.
>
>
>
> Well DUH, it's just that crystalization that the vacuum sealing
> prevents.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

The crystalization is harmless. I could occur within a week of the food
being frozen. It might affect quality as the food spends more time in the
freezer, but it's not a safety issue.

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>
>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>> gadget to seal them.
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer bag
> will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
> resulting in freezer burn.
>
> Andy

Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it, Andy?

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>
>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>> gadget to seal them.

> Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer bag
> will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
> resulting in freezer burn.

Exactly. I can't get all the air out using a ziplock. I've tried them,
wound up with freezer burn. Ziplock bags are very useful, but they
don't prevent freezer burn.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>>
>>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
>>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>>> gadget to seal them.
>
>> Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer bag
>> will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
>> resulting in freezer burn.
>
> Exactly. I can't get all the air out using a ziplock. I've tried them,
> wound up with freezer burn. Ziplock bags are very useful, but they
> don't prevent freezer burn.
>
> nancy
>

I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular freezer.
In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no matter how I
packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana, everything does
fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will go a month or
more without no problems.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>>>
>>>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a
>>>> ziplock
>>>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>>>> gadget to seal them.
>>
>>> Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer
>>> bag
>>> will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
>>> resulting in freezer burn.
>>
>> Exactly. I can't get all the air out using a ziplock. I've tried them,
>> wound up with freezer burn. Ziplock bags are very useful, but they
>> don't prevent freezer burn.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular
> freezer. In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no
> matter how I packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana,
> everything does fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will
> go a month or more without no problems.
>

"without no problems" ? Did I type that? More coffee....

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> Exactly. I can't get all the air out using a ziplock. I've tried them,
>> wound up with freezer burn. Ziplock bags are very useful, but they
>> don't prevent freezer burn.

> I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular
> freezer. In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no
> matter how I packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana,
> everything does fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will
> go a month or more without no problems.

That's a possibility. I have a new refrigerator, and perhaps I wouldn't
have so much trouble now. For years I would carefully wrap and double-wrap,
blah blah, trying to keep meat from freezer burn, I really had no luck.
Since I bought myself a Tilia, no problem in that regard, and it has
actually changed my buying habits. I used to pass up the larger pack of
pork chops because it's not on sale if half winds up in the garbage.

What can I say, it satisfies something in me to have extra in the freezer.
And that nice meat they sell at Costco comes in large packages, anyway.

nancy

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "ms_peacock" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Peter A wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are a 2-person household and like our Tilia a lot. But then we have
>>>> a
>>>> huge freezer and like to stock up on meats, and we also fish and
>>>> sometimes have huge catches that benefit from the vacuum sealing. It
>>>> depends on how you like to shop and cook more than anything.
>>>>
>>> This family of two enjoys our Foodsaver too. I pick up economy
>>> packs of meat on sale, split them up and seal them up with the
>>> Foodsaver.
>>
>>
>> That's what I use my Tilia for. I can buy the packages of 6 pork chops
>> when they're buy one, get one free and we don't have to eat pork chops
>> every night. Two packages generally lasts us until the next sale. I
>> rarely pay full price for meats. I buy enough when they're on sale to
>> last until the next sale. I couldn't do that without the Tilia.
>>
>> Ms P
>
> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
> gadget to seal them.


No they don't. If ziplock bags worked fine I wouldn't have bought the
Tilia. You apparently don't buy in quantity or store for very long.

Ms P

JoeSpareBedroom said...

> "Skyhooks" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>>
>>> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well then you must be a very ill-informed professional or trained
>>> > too long ago...as vaccum pakaging is a widely used food packaging
>>> > method these days...I guess you don't get out much what with the
>>> > Cordon business
>>> > being so busy this time of year. I hope that improves for you.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I wonder... is this the plastic cooking "bag" being used in trendy NYC
>>> restaurants that are doing some sort of "boiling bag" dinners? I wish
>>> I could recall what I read, but the gist of it is that restaurants are
>>> trying to cook (perhaps at a low simmer) but the health department
>>> isn't yet comfortable with the idea? Is this ringing anyones bell and
>>> sound familiar?
>>
>> Here's an article in the NYTimes to which you might refer (?) --
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/ny...ewanted=all&ei
>> =5090&en=5c1f28a9f543d186&ex=1299560400&partner=a-b&emc=rss
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yf8l7g
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Sky
>
> What they are NOT addressing is what (if anything) happens when the
> plastic is heated during the cooking process. I'm not talking about
> melting, either. I'm referring to what compounds might be released from
> the plastic. I'll never trust the process.


You probably nursed out of heat-resistant polycarbonate baby bottles and
look how you turned out!

TOO LATE!

Andy

"ms_peacock" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ms_peacock" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Peter A wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are a 2-person household and like our Tilia a lot. But then we have
>>>>> a
>>>>> huge freezer and like to stock up on meats, and we also fish and
>>>>> sometimes have huge catches that benefit from the vacuum sealing. It
>>>>> depends on how you like to shop and cook more than anything.
>>>>>
>>>> This family of two enjoys our Foodsaver too. I pick up economy
>>>> packs of meat on sale, split them up and seal them up with the
>>>> Foodsaver.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what I use my Tilia for. I can buy the packages of 6 pork chops
>>> when they're buy one, get one free and we don't have to eat pork chops
>>> every night. Two packages generally lasts us until the next sale. I
>>> rarely pay full price for meats. I buy enough when they're on sale to
>>> last until the next sale. I couldn't do that without the Tilia.
>>>
>>> Ms P
>>
>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>> gadget to seal them.
>
>
> No they don't. If ziplock bags worked fine I wouldn't have bought the
> Tilia. You apparently don't buy in quantity or store for very long.
>
> Ms P

Same response I gave to Andy:

Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it? It has to be one or the other.

JoeSpareBedroom said...

> "ms_peacock" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ms_peacock" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Peter A wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We are a 2-person household and like our Tilia a lot. But then we
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> huge freezer and like to stock up on meats, and we also fish and
>>>>>> sometimes have huge catches that benefit from the vacuum sealing.
>>>>>> It depends on how you like to shop and cook more than anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This family of two enjoys our Foodsaver too. I pick up economy
>>>>> packs of meat on sale, split them up and seal them up with the
>>>>> Foodsaver.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what I use my Tilia for. I can buy the packages of 6 pork
>>>> chops when they're buy one, get one free and we don't have to eat
>>>> pork chops every night. Two packages generally lasts us until the
>>>> next sale. I rarely pay full price for meats. I buy enough when
>>>> they're on sale to last until the next sale. I couldn't do that
>>>> without the Tilia.
>>>>
>>>> Ms P
>>>
>>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a
>>> ziplock freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any
>>> sort of gadget to seal them.
>>
>>
>> No they don't. If ziplock bags worked fine I wouldn't have bought the
>> Tilia. You apparently don't buy in quantity or store for very long.
>>
>> Ms P
>
> Same response I gave to Andy:
>
> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it? It has to be one or the
> other.

So it's either a hallucination or a lie??

Not a whole lot of room to move there, Joe!

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>
>> "ms_peacock" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "ms_peacock" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Peter A wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are a 2-person household and like our Tilia a lot. But then we
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> huge freezer and like to stock up on meats, and we also fish and
>>>>>>> sometimes have huge catches that benefit from the vacuum sealing.
>>>>>>> It depends on how you like to shop and cook more than anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This family of two enjoys our Foodsaver too. I pick up economy
>>>>>> packs of meat on sale, split them up and seal them up with the
>>>>>> Foodsaver.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I use my Tilia for. I can buy the packages of 6 pork
>>>>> chops when they're buy one, get one free and we don't have to eat
>>>>> pork chops every night. Two packages generally lasts us until the
>>>>> next sale. I rarely pay full price for meats. I buy enough when
>>>>> they're on sale to last until the next sale. I couldn't do that
>>>>> without the Tilia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms P
>>>>
>>>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a
>>>> ziplock freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any
>>>> sort of gadget to seal them.
>>>
>>>
>>> No they don't. If ziplock bags worked fine I wouldn't have bought the
>>> Tilia. You apparently don't buy in quantity or store for very long.
>>>
>>> Ms P
>>
>> Same response I gave to Andy:
>>
>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it? It has to be one or the
>> other.
>
> So it's either a hallucination or a lie??
>
> Not a whole lot of room to move there, Joe!
>
> Andy
>

Andy, I'm telling you that just last night, I removed a boneless pork chop
from a ziplock freezer bag. It was frozen in early October. There were no
crystals on it. No freezer burn. It was perfect.

What "room to move" do you imagine there to be? Either I'm hallucinating,
or lying.

In article >,
says...
> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it, Andy?
>
>

Andy is 100% correct. You are probably not lying or hallucinating - more
likely that you just do not really observe what you are looking at.

--
Peter Aitken

In article >,
says...
> I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular freezer.
> In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no matter how I
> packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana, everything does
> fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will go a month or
> more without no problems.
>
>
>

Having a non-frost-free freezer makes a big difference. The temperature
swings that are part of the defrosting process contribute to freezer
burn and other loss of quality factors.

--
Peter Aitken

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it, Andy?
>>
>>
>
> Andy is 100% correct. You are probably not lying or hallucinating - more
> likely that you just do not really observe what you are looking at.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

OK. Tell me what I should be looking for, Peter. Except for being hard as a
rock, the frozen pork chops look identical to when they were frozen. No
discoloration that would indicate degraded quality. The cooked results are
excellent. The only frost crystals I observe occur at the moment I take them
out of the bag - the frost that sometimes appears on ANY object you move
from a cold environment to a warm, humid one.

Summary:
Nothing observed on the food.
Perfect results when cooked.

What am I missing?

"Andy" <q> wrote
>>
>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it? It has to be one or the
>> other.
>
> So it's either a hallucination or a lie??
>
> Not a whole lot of room to move there, Joe!
>

hahaha! That's Joe for you.

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it, Andy?
>>
>>
>
> Andy is 100% correct. You are probably not lying or hallucinating - more
> likely that you just do not really observe what you are looking at.
>

I love this group.

One of the reasons I love this group is because people here can get
into passionate, voice raising, spit flying arguments about zip-loc bags.

"cybercat" > wrote

> "Peter A" > wrote

>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it, Andy?

>> Andy is 100% correct. You are probably not lying or hallucinating - more
>> likely that you just do not really observe what you are looking at.

> I love this group.
>
> One of the reasons I love this group is because people here can get
> into passionate, voice raising, spit flying arguments about zip-loc bags.

Oh Yeah? Well, SHUT UP!

(laugh) nancy

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular
>> freezer.
>> In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no matter how I
>> packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana, everything
>> does
>> fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will go a month or
>> more without no problems.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Having a non-frost-free freezer makes a big difference. The temperature
> swings that are part of the defrosting process contribute to freezer
> burn and other loss of quality factors.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

Maybe, but mine *is* a frost free freezer.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andy" <q> wrote
>>>
>>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it? It has to be one or the
>>> other.
>>
>> So it's either a hallucination or a lie??
>>
>> Not a whole lot of room to move there, Joe!
>>
>
> hahaha! That's Joe for you.
>

So....things in my freezer are frost burned, even though they're not? How
can that be?

Andy wrote:
> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>
>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>> gadget to seal them.
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer bag
> will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
> resulting in freezer burn.
>
> Andy

Adding a little "food" for thought a lot has to do with the freezer.
During a kitchen remodel I replaced the old fridge which was working
fine (or so I thought). If an item got lost in the freezer (such as the
pound of porkchops from a large pack etc) you would just have to toss it
when you found it. With the replacement fridge there is a huge
difference. Just last week I found a small pack of chicken thighs that
were 1 1/2 years old according to the date I marked on them with a
sharpie. They were in good shape with no sign of freezer burn.

"George" > wrote in message
...
> Andy wrote:
>> JoeSpareBedroom said...
>>
>>> Everyone's got their favorite toys. However, I'll mention that a ziplock
>>> freezer bag will also work just fine, without the need for any sort of
>>> gadget to seal them.
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Not really. Any marginal amount of air locked in the zip lock freezer bag
>> will act as a catalyst for water crystals to freeze into the product,
>> resulting in freezer burn.
>>
>> Andy
>
> Adding a little "food" for thought a lot has to do with the freezer.
> During a kitchen remodel I replaced the old fridge which was working fine
> (or so I thought). If an item got lost in the freezer (such as the pound
> of porkchops from a large pack etc) you would just have to toss it when
> you found it. With the replacement fridge there is a huge difference. Just
> last week I found a small pack of chicken thighs that were 1 1/2 years old
> according to the date I marked on them with a sharpie. They were in good
> shape with no sign of freezer burn.


According to Andy and Peter, your personal experience is nothing more than a
dream.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Peter A" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular
>>> freezer.
>>> In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no matter how I
>>> packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana, everything
>>> does
>>> fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will go a month or
>>> more without no problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Having a non-frost-free freezer makes a big difference. The temperature
>> swings that are part of the defrosting process contribute to freezer
>> burn and other loss of quality factors.
>>
>> --
>> Peter Aitken
>
> Maybe, but mine *is* a frost free freezer.
>
>

Same here, some of them seem to do a better job. Mine is fairly new and
The only time I ever see freezer burn is if something isn't wrapped
properly compared to the old one which pretty much destroyed food. Also
items such as ice cream that would become a sticky mess in the old one
last a long time in the new one.

On 2006-12-18, Peter A > wrote:

> Having a non-frost-free freezer makes a big difference.

I doubt there's anyone here who doesn't.

nb

"George" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Peter A" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> I suspect that the results depend to some extent on the particular
>>>> freezer.
>>>> In my previous one, things got freezer burn within days, no matter how
>>>> I
>>>> packaged them. In my current freezer, a pretty fancy Amana, everything
>>>> does
>>>> fine. Even partially finished containers of ice cream will go a month
>>>> or
>>>> more without no problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Having a non-frost-free freezer makes a big difference. The temperature
>>> swings that are part of the defrosting process contribute to freezer
>>> burn and other loss of quality factors.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Aitken
>>
>> Maybe, but mine *is* a frost free freezer.
>
> Same here, some of them seem to do a better job. Mine is fairly new and
> The only time I ever see freezer burn is if something isn't wrapped
> properly compared to the old one which pretty much destroyed food. Also
> items such as ice cream that would become a sticky mess in the old one
> last a long time in the new one.

I think Peter and Andy cannot allow for the possibility that some people own
better refrigerators than they do. They can't even imagine that some units
are different from others.

In article >,
says...
> OK. Tell me what I should be looking for, Peter. Except for being hard as a
> rock, the frozen pork chops look identical to when they were frozen. No
> discoloration that would indicate degraded quality. The cooked results are
> excellent. The only frost crystals I observe occur at the moment I take them
> out of the bag - the frost that sometimes appears on ANY object you move
> from a cold environment to a warm, humid one.
>
> Summary:
> Nothing observed on the food.
> Perfect results when cooked.
>
> What am I missing?
>

How can I possibly answer that question without seeing for myself? But
even if you do get perfect results with zip lock bags, that does not
mean that everyone else does.

I have seen many items that were wrapped in plastic wrap then put in a
zip lock with the air removed - they are burned with ice crystals all
over the surface. Not right away, but after 5-6 months in a non-frost-
free freezer. Am I hallucinating or lying? No, but unlike you I do not
make the fundamental error of assuming that everyone else has the same
experience that I do.

--
Peter Aitken

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote

> I think Peter and Andy cannot allow for the possibility that some people
> own better refrigerators than they do. They can't even imagine that some
> units are different from others.

And your comment (just use a Ziplock, it's just as good) didn't allow
for other people's refrigerator situation, either.

nancy

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2006-12-18, Peter A > wrote:
>
>> Having a non-frost-free freezer makes a big difference.
>
> I doubt there's anyone here who doesn't.
>

I don't! Or, I do, but it needs repair. I am currently using a 1949
Fridgidaire! All porcelain and chrome! I love it and am lobbying for getting
rid of the all plastic and crap double-doored Whirlpool that quit after
three years!



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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "cybercat" > wrote
>
>> "Peter A" > wrote
>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> Are you saying that the results I see with my own eyes are, in fact, a
>>>> hallucination? Or, am I lying? Which is it, Andy?
>
>>> Andy is 100% correct. You are probably not lying or hallucinating - more
>>> likely that you just do not really observe what you are looking at.
>
>> I love this group.
>>
>> One of the reasons I love this group is because people here can get
>> into passionate, voice raising, spit flying arguments about zip-loc bags.
>
> Oh Yeah? Well, SHUT UP!
>
> (laugh) nancy
>
*wiping the spit out of my eye*

Ow.

Okay. :



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"cybercat" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> Oh Yeah? Well, SHUT UP!
>>
>> (laugh) nancy
>>
> *wiping the spit out of my eye*
>
> Ow.
>
> Okay. :

Oops, did I spit? Sorry.

nancy

JoeSpareBedroom said...

> I think Peter and Andy cannot allow for the possibility that some people
> own better refrigerators than they do. They can't even imagine that some
> units are different from others.


You're an obnoxious little snot, aren't you!!?

Andy
Sub-Zero