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![]() This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: Banned list Perch gravlax pike perch-pike cod liver raw shellfish halibut vaccupacked smoked fish eel cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc liver raw mince meat all meat that hasn't been cooked through brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses all un pastuerized dairy products Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? /Erika The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them. |
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Erika wrote:
> This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > Banned list > > Perch > gravlax > pike > perch-pike > cod liver > raw shellfish > halibut > vaccupacked smoked fish > eel > cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc > liver > raw mince meat > all meat that hasn't been cooked through > brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses > all un pastuerized dairy products > > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > /Erika > Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat anything they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). And I might say they eat as much as they like since they take the "eating for two" thing very seriously ![]() all had healthy children. Jill |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote: >Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat anything >they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). And I might say >they eat as much as they like since they take the "eating for two" thing >very seriously ![]() >all had healthy children. > >Jill > That is funny since my SIL in England has been given very similar advice. Why is there such a difference? Do you have more preserves (or something) in your food killing bacteria? Do you not have any pollution in your lakes at all? About the "eating for two" that is very much a joke here and I don´t know anyone who actually do that. /Erika The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them. |
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Erika wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500, "jmcquown" > > wrote: > >> Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat >> anything they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). >> And I might say they eat as much as they like since they take the >> "eating for two" thing very seriously ![]() >> of complications and they've all had healthy children. >> >> Jill >> > > > That is funny since my SIL in England has been given very similar > advice. > > Why is there such a difference? Do you have more preserves (or > something) in your food killing bacteria? Do you not have any > pollution in your lakes at all? > > About the "eating for two" that is very much a joke here and I don´t > know anyone who actually do that. > > > > > /Erika > I do apologize for seeming overly critical of your post about beef and potatoes. Perhaps we do have more preservatives in packaged foods, although I would not say that applies to beef. The U.S. did not run into problems with "Mad Cow" disease as did many places in Europe and Britain. It's understandable you are nervous with your first child (and congratulations!). My point simply was, you have to eat. And anyone and everyone I've met who gave birth didn't have a list of things they should not, could not, eat. They all gave birth to healthy children. As for the "eating for two", it's apparently an excuse. My best friend gained 70 lbs with her first child who only weighed 7 lbs. Bit over the top, don't you think? Best of luck to you. Jill |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:45 GMT, Erika > wrote:
> > >This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > >Banned list > >Perch >gravlax >pike >perch-pike >cod liver >raw shellfish >halibut >vaccupacked smoked fish >eel >cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc >liver >raw mince meat >all meat that hasn't been cooked through >brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses >all un pastuerized dairy products > > >Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? >/Erika Yes. http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/681_1152.asp Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote: >Erika wrote: >> This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: >> >> Banned list >> >> Perch >> gravlax >> pike >> perch-pike >> cod liver >> raw shellfish >> halibut >> vaccupacked smoked fish >> eel >> cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc >> liver >> raw mince meat >> all meat that hasn't been cooked through >> brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses >> all un pastuerized dairy products >> >> >> Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? >> /Erika >> >Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat anything >they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). And I might say >they eat as much as they like since they take the "eating for two" thing >very seriously ![]() >all had healthy children. > >Jill Well, when I was pregnant, every resource I used regarding what to do/expect when pregnant (websites, _What to Expect When You're Expecting_ book, pamphlets at my ob's office, etc.) listed foods to avoid when pregnant. Included were raw/rare fish/meat, soft cheeses (e.g., brie), more than 1-2 cans of tuna per week, swordfish, mackerel, shark, undercooked/raw eggs, unpasteurized milk and juice, and certain herbs. I was very cautious while pregnant and followed all of these recommendations (as well as abstained from alcohol and caffeine consumption), but I do know pregnant women who ate sashimi, brie, and rare beef and also drank small amounts of alcohol and caffeine and didn't have any problems. Mary |
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Erika wrote:
> > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > Banned list (snipped) > > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > /Erika > Yes, we do. Some pregnant women choose not to talk about it in public, but most doctors or midwives send them home from the first visit with a list similar to what you have posted. Generally the list contains foods like fish and meat that may contain bacteria, chemical residues or heavy metals. Alcohol and unpasteurized dairy products are also on the list as well as many over-the-counter medications. gloria p |
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Erika wrote:
> > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > Banned list > > Perch > gravlax > pike > perch-pike > cod liver > raw shellfish > halibut > vaccupacked smoked fish > eel > cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc > liver > raw mince meat > all meat that hasn't been cooked through > brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses > all un pastuerized dairy products > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > /Erika > The usual recommendations I've seen are no raw meat or fish, no cheese made from unpasteurised milk (but those aren't common in the US anyway), no unpasteurised milk unless certified, no hot dogs that haven't been cooked before eating, no fish that may have a high mercury content etc. (I tried to access the CDC website to find out more, but server didn't respond this afternoon.) |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message >. ..
> Erika wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500, "jmcquown" > > > wrote: > > > >> Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat > >> anything they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). > >> And I might say they eat as much as they like since they take the > >> "eating for two" thing very seriously ![]() > >> of complications and they've all had healthy children. > >> > >> Jill > >> > > > > > > That is funny since my SIL in England has been given very similar > > advice. > > > > Why is there such a difference? Do you have more preserves (or > > something) in your food killing bacteria? Do you not have any > > pollution in your lakes at all? > > > > About the "eating for two" that is very much a joke here and I don´t > > know anyone who actually do that. Seems to be an American thing. <G> 60% of us are overweight. > > > > > > > > > > /Erika > > > I do apologize for seeming overly critical of your post about beef and > potatoes. Perhaps we do have more preservatives in packaged foods, although > I would not say that applies to beef. The U.S. did not run into problems > with "Mad Cow" disease as did many places in Europe and Britain. > > It's understandable you are nervous with your first child (and > congratulations!). My point simply was, you have to eat. And anyone and > everyone I've met who gave birth didn't have a list of things they should > not, could not, eat. They all gave birth to healthy children. > > As for the "eating for two", it's apparently an excuse. My best friend > gained 70 lbs with her first child who only weighed 7 lbs. Bit over the > top, don't you think? My sister LOST 40 lbs. during her pregnancy... She was sick the whole way thru and barfed her way thru labor until they gave her a shot of Fenargin (sp?) Chas will be lucky if she consents to having another child. > > Best of luck to you. > > Jill There are no lists of not to eats over here except for the obvious, drugs, alcohol and cigarettes. Oh, and don't clean any litter boxes. Listeria does not seem to be a problem here, but Toxoplasmosis from cat poop is risk. Dyson is quite healthy and OH so smart, but don't get me bragging on my nephew as it's hard to stop. <Grins> He is 14 months now. C. (the doting auntie) |
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![]() Same thing here with an emphasis on tobacco, drugs, and alcohol. On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:45 GMT, Erika > wrote: > > >This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > >Banned list > >Perch >gravlax >pike >perch-pike >cod liver >raw shellfish >halibut >vaccupacked smoked fish >eel >cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc >liver >raw mince meat >all meat that hasn't been cooked through >brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses >all un pastuerized dairy products > > >Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? >/Erika > >The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. >Then for then years you try to be as little as your parents as possible. >Then you gradually change in to them. |
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I was told not to eat the 5 poison 'P's' of Pregnancy, they a Pizza, potato
chips, popcorn, Pretzels and pasta. I was also told to avoid salt and caffeine. I gained 26 lbs' while pregnant and gave birth to a 9lb 14 oz baby boy. My doctor told me to only gain 25 lbs and put "Excessive weight gain' on my chart. I was SO upset about that. My son was 2 weeks and 2 days late. Amber |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:31:51 GMT, Erika > wrote:
>On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500, "jmcquown" > >wrote: > >>Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat anything >>they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). And I might say >>they eat as much as they like since they take the "eating for two" thing >>very seriously ![]() >>all had healthy children. >> >>Jill >> > > >That is funny since my SIL in England has been given very similar >advice. > >Why is there such a difference? There is no difference. Maybe years ago, there weren't any guidelines in the U.S. for which foods pregnant women should avoid, but today there certainly are!! |
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![]() "jammer" > wrote in message > I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 > weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! Wow, that's almost 10 pounds. It even more that 8 lbs. 32 oz. Honest! |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:28:44 -0500, jammer > wrote:
> >Same thing here with an emphasis on tobacco, drugs, and alcohol. > of course here it is not socially accepted to drink or smoke at all during pregnancy. /Erika The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them. |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:39:46 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote: >On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:45 GMT, Erika > wrote: >> >>This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: >> >>Banned list >> >>Perch >>gravlax <snip> >>all meat that hasn't been cooked through >>brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses >>all un pastuerized dairy products >> >> >>Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > >Yes. >http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/681_1152.asp Interesting. And a nice explanation of the whys and wherefores. The only common caveats I was aware of were alcohol, nearly all drugs, incl. aspirin, smoking, and sometimes caffeine. Boy, these kids better come out healthy after their poor moms have done without a glass of wine at dinner and relief of migraine for 9 months! |
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jammer > writes:
> >I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 >weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! DUH! Yeah, and we should believe the birth record actually says "9 lbs. 16 oz." Ahahahahaha. . . . ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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![]() "PENMART01" > wrote in message ... > jammer > writes: > > > >I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 > >weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! > > DUH! > > Yeah, and we should believe the birth record actually says "9 lbs. 16 oz." > > Ahahahahaha. . . . > > Some people will do anything except admit they whelped a 10-pounder! Jack Avordupois |
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In article >, "Jack Schidt®"
> writes: >"PENMART01" > wrote in message ... >> jammer > writes: >> > >> >I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 >> >weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! >> >> DUH! >> >> Yeah, and we should believe the birth record actually says "9 lbs. 16 oz." >> >> Ahahahahaha. . . . >> >> > > >Some people will do anything except admit they whelped a 10-pounder! > >Jack Avordupois I readily admit to whelping my 10-pounder. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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I readily admit to whelping my 10-pounder.
---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon Sheldon, you are too funny, made me laugh. Thanks, Jan |
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Hark! I heard "Jack Schidt®" > say:
> "PENMART01" > wrote in message > ... > > jammer > writes: > > >I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 > > >weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! > > > > DUH! > > > > Yeah, and we should believe the birth record actually says "9 lbs. 16 oz." > > > > Ahahahahaha. . . . > Some people will do anything except admit they whelped a 10-pounder! > > Jack Avordupois I came pretty close -- Small Child weighed in at 9 lbs. 15 oz... -- j*ni p. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~ ...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum! |
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![]() "Erika" > wrote in message ... > > > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > Banned list > > Perch > gravlax > pike > perch-pike > cod liver > raw shellfish > halibut > vaccupacked smoked fish > eel > cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc > liver > raw mince meat > all meat that hasn't been cooked through > brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses > all un pastuerized dairy products > > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > /Erika You forgot Caffeine or products with caffeine as well as alcohol. Dimitri |
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"Erika" > wrote in message
... > > > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > Banned list > > Perch > gravlax > pike > perch-pike > cod liver > raw shellfish > halibut > vaccupacked smoked fish > eel > cold-smoked meat, parmaham etc > liver > raw mince meat > all meat that hasn't been cooked through > brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses > all un pastuerized dairy products > > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > /Erika > > The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. > Then for then years you try to be as little as your parents as possible. > Then you gradually change in to them. I am just now 8 months pregnant, in the US, and was told/asked not to eat sushi (at least that made with raw fish), certain soft cheeses (including Camembert, brie, blue-veined, and feta), undercooked hotdogs and the like, and certain fin fish that could contain mercury (for instance, shark, swordfish, king mackerel, tilefish). It is suggested not to eat much, if any, luncheon meats, smoked fish, and canned fish. Oh, and unpasteurized milk... The list looks pretty darned similar! -- Judy B, Rochester, NY |
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Puester > wrote in message >...
> Erika wrote: > > > > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > > > Banned list (snipped) > > > > > > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > > /Erika > > > > > Yes, we do. Some pregnant women choose not to > talk about it in public, Huh? Is talking about food a dirty subject? Why not hide when you're pregnant...'cause it just advertises the fact you've DONE IT!! LOL |
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"Carmen Dioxide" > wrote in message
m... : Puester > wrote in message >... : > Erika wrote: : > > : > > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: : > > : > > Banned list (snipped) : > > : > : > > : > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? : > > /Erika : > > : > : > : > Yes, we do. Some pregnant women choose not to : > talk about it in public, : : Huh? Is talking about food a dirty subject? Why not hide when you're : pregnant...'cause it just advertises the fact you've DONE IT!! LOL ======= Noooooo, it actually has more to do with not wanting to hear dozens of "experts" tell you what they ate and what you really can eat... ! Arrgghh!!! I purposefully stayed as far away from any "know it all" women that just *loved* to give unsolicted advice. "They" can make your pregnancy miserable...! My body, my child, and I have a very skilled midwife (whom I adore!) so LEAVE ME ALONE!! And even thoughDan corrected my math... in spite of the dozens of pounds of potatoes I ate - I only gained 21 pounds. So there! Cyndi <Remove a "b" to reply> |
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![]() "Curly Sue" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:49:41 GMT, > (j*ni p.) wrote: > > >Hark! I heard "Jack Schidt®" > say: > >> "PENMART01" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > jammer > writes: > > > >> > >I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 > >> > >weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! > >> > > >> > DUH! > >> > > >> > Yeah, and we should believe the birth record actually says "9 lbs. 16 oz." > >> > > >> > Ahahahahaha. . . . > > > >> Some people will do anything except admit they whelped a 10-pounder! > >> > >> Jack Avordupois > > > >I came pretty close -- Small Child weighed in at 9 lbs. 15 oz... > > My youngest brother was 10 lb 3 oz. My mother asked the doctor in > awe- "What should I feed him???" The doctor said "Put some meat on > the end of a stick and poke it through the bars of his crib" :> > I, ummm, weighed in over 10 lbs. My dad said if I was a fish I'd be on the wall. Jack Dreadnought |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message >. ..
> > Apparently not. Most people I know who are/have been pregnant eat anything > they like (so long as they are not allergic to it already). And I might say > they eat as much as they like since they take the "eating for two" thing > very seriously ![]() > all had healthy children. > > Jill Most women who "eat anything and everything" they like may not be following their doctor's recommendations or their local publich health recommendations about diet. From the USDA: Do not eat hot dogs, luncheon meats, or deli meats unless they are reheated until steaming hot. Do not eat soft cheeses such as feta, Brie, Camembert, blue-veined cheeses, and Mexican-style cheeses such as "queso blanco fresco." Hard cheeses, semi-soft cheeses such as mozzarella, pasteurized processed cheese slices and spreads, cream cheese, and cottage cheese can be safely consumed. Do not eat refrigerated pté or meat spreads. Canned or shelf-stable pté and meat spreads can be eaten. Do not eat refrigerated smoked seafood unless it is an ingredient in a cooked dish such as a casserole. Examples of refrigerated smoked seafood include salmon, trout, whitefish, cod, tuna, and mackerel which are most often labeled as "nova-style," "lox," "kippered," "smoked," or "jerky." This fish is found in the refrigerated section or sold at deli counters of grocery stores and delicatessens. Canned fish such as salmon and tuna or shelf-stable smoked seafood may be safely eaten. Do not drink raw (unpasteurized) milk or eat foods that contain unpasteurized milk. From South Dakota Public Health and Fish and Game - no more than 1 7 ounce meal of largemouth bass, walleye, or northern pike per month because of mercury |
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Carmen Dioxide wrote:
> > Puester > wrote in message >... > > Erika wrote: > > > > > > This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > > > > > Banned list (snipped) > > > > > > > > > > > Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > > > /Erika > > > > > > > > > Yes, we do. Some pregnant women choose not to > > talk about it in public, > > Huh? Is talking about food a dirty subject? Why not hide when you're > pregnant...'cause it just advertises the fact you've DONE IT!! LOL No. Some people with food restrictions don't broadcast it so they don't sound too anal or picky or because they haven't announced their pregnancy at large yet. gloria p |
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Most of the list made sense, but this one baffled me:
> brie, gorgonzola and similar cheeses Here in the U.S., all cheese has to be made with pasteurized milk (there is a very small raw-milk-cheese industry that has to jump through all kinds of regulatory hoops). Are those cheeses made with unpasteurized milk in Sweden? I know Brie is made with unpasteurized milk in France. -- Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995 http://www.SteigerFamily.com Cheyenne WY, USDA zone 5a, Sunset zone 1a Home of the Wyoming Wind Festival, January 1-December 31 Remove "removethis" from address to reply |
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Sylvia wrote:
> > Here in the U.S., all cheese has to be made with pasteurized milk (there > is a very small raw-milk-cheese industry that has to jump through all > kinds of regulatory hoops). Are those cheeses made with unpasteurized > milk in Sweden? I know Brie is made with unpasteurized milk in France. Do you have a source for that information? I ask because I keep hearing conflicting reports. I thought hard cheeses didn't have to be pasteurized, and I'm confused on the subject of pasteurization and soft cheeses. On way or the other, the soft cheeses in France taste MUCH better. --Lia |
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Erika saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us all
about it on Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:45 GMT: > > >This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: >Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? In Australia they recommend that pregnant women avoid all sorts of things... everything from caffeine and alcohol (understandable!) down to dairy products and rare meats. In fact, they tell you to avoid so many things that your diet would be sadly restricted if you did it all! Personally I think they carry the 'warnings' rather too far - millions of babies have been born quite healthy before they 'discovered' all of these things that they say can be harmful during pregnancy! (huggles) ~Karen AKA Kajikit Nobody outstubborns a cat... Visit my webpage: http://www.kajikitscorner.com Allergyfree Eating Recipe Swap: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allergyfree_Eating Ample Aussies Mailing List: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ampleaussies/ |
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![]() "Kajikit" > wrote in message ... > Erika saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us all > about it on Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:45 GMT: > > > > > > >This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > >Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > > In Australia they recommend that pregnant women avoid all sorts of > things... everything from caffeine and alcohol (understandable!) down > to dairy products and rare meats. In fact, they tell you to avoid so > many things that your diet would be sadly restricted if you did it > all! Personally I think they carry the 'warnings' rather too far - > millions of babies have been born quite healthy before they > 'discovered' all of these things that they say can be harmful during > pregnancy! > (huggles) And millions were born damaged for reasons nobody understood. Then they did figure it out and set out to prevent more injury. Doing without the things listed for 9 months is a small price to pay to feel that you did everything in your power to ensure your little one was healthy. Gabby |
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Hark! I heard "Gabby" > say:
> "Kajikit" > wrote in message > ... > > Erika saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us all > > about it on Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:45 GMT: > > >This is what the swedish food and health authority reccomend: > > > > >Do you not have similar recommendations in the US? > > In Australia they recommend that pregnant women avoid all sorts of > > things... everything from caffeine and alcohol (understandable!) down > > to dairy products and rare meats. In fact, they tell you to avoid so > > many things that your diet would be sadly restricted if you did it > > all! Personally I think they carry the 'warnings' rather too far - > > millions of babies have been born quite healthy before they > > 'discovered' all of these things that they say can be harmful during > > pregnancy! > And millions were born damaged for reasons nobody understood. Then they did > figure it out and set out to prevent more injury. Doing without the things > listed for 9 months is a small price to pay to feel that you did everything > in your power to ensure your little one was healthy. True! I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes, and had to follow a strict low sugar/low fat diet for 6 months. No chocolate, no ice cream, lots of walking for exercise. Knowing that it was affecting my kidlet made it a breeze, and Small Child is healthy & active, no weight issues. But could I do it for myself? Probably not... -- j*ni p. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~ ...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum! |
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"maxine in ri" & several others chatted... and then...
<snip> : : My dad, born in 1910, weighed in at 14 lb. he was the first one. : Then Grandma had twins...12 lbs each. And yes, she had adult-onset : diabetes later in life. Those were the days! : : maxine in ri Holy Schmolies!!! First one @ 14 pounds and then twins at *Twelve* pounds EACH?!?! My sincerest sympathies on how rough that delivery had to be!! Geez, and average birth rates for twins, these days, are around 5 or 6 pounds... I do believe that I am now *extremely* pleased that Nathan was only 8 # 3 1/2 oz. Whoa! I'd still be screaming had he been 12 or 14 pounds! Cyndi <Remove a "b" to reply> |
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote:
> > "Curly Sue" > wrote in message > ... > > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:49:41 GMT, > > (j*ni p.) wrote: > > > > >Hark! I heard "Jack Schidt®" > say: > > >> "PENMART01" > wrote in message > > >> ... > > >> > jammer > writes: > > > > > >> > >I wasn't told to avoid any of those things but my son was almost 3 > > >> > >weeks late and 9 lbs. 16 oz. Honest! > > >> > > > >> > DUH! > > >> > > > >> > Yeah, and we should believe the birth record actually says "9 lbs. 16 > oz." > > >> > > > >> > Ahahahahaha. . . . > > > > > >> Some people will do anything except admit they whelped a 10-pounder! > > >> > > >> Jack Avordupois > > > > > >I came pretty close -- Small Child weighed in at 9 lbs. 15 oz... > > > > My youngest brother was 10 lb 3 oz. My mother asked the doctor in > > awe- "What should I feed him???" The doctor said "Put some meat on > > the end of a stick and poke it through the bars of his crib" :> > > > > I, ummm, weighed in over 10 lbs. My dad said if I was a fish I'd be on the > wall. > > Jack Dreadnought My dad, born in 1910, weighed in at 14 lb. he was the first one. Then Grandma had twins...12 lbs each. And yes, she had adult-onset diabetes later in life. Those were the days! maxine in ri |
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Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Sylvia wrote: > >> Here in the U.S., all cheese has to be made with pasteurized milk >> (there is a very small raw-milk-cheese industry that has to jump >> through all kinds of regulatory hoops). Are those cheeses made with >> unpasteurized milk in Sweden? I know Brie is made with unpasteurized >> milk in France. > > Do you have a source for that information? I ask because I keep hearing > conflicting reports. I thought hard cheeses didn't have to be > pasteurized, and I'm confused on the subject of pasteurization and soft > cheeses. On way or the other, the soft cheeses in France taste MUCH > better. Cheeses that are aged more than 60 days can be made with raw milk. Not many cheesemakers have chosen to do it because of the restrictions, paperwork and general hassle it is. One such producer is Bobolink Dairy at the New Jersey-New York border. Jonathan White is the cheesemaker and a wizard and all-around cool guy he is. Check him and his operation out at <http://www.cowsoutside.com/> A not-technical story about raw milk cheeses. <http://tinyurl.com/q1tw> Pastorio |
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