"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.

Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
butane refill can. The State of California
warning is just above the UPC bar code.

That falsifies what Bob said above.

I didn't have a camera that would do a
good job of photographing this, so I had
to do it on my scanner in five shots,
rotating the can a little bit each time.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>
>> *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
>> Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> butane refill can. The State of California
> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>
> That falsifies what Bob said above.
>
> I didn't have a camera that would do a
> good job of photographing this, so I had
> to do it on my scanner in five shots,
> rotating the can a little bit each time.


What an achievement! Congratulations, Mark.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >>
> >> *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> >> Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
> >
> > Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> > part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> > butane refill can. The State of California
> > warning is just above the UPC bar code.
> >
> > That falsifies what Bob said above.
> >
> > I didn't have a camera that would do a
> > good job of photographing this, so I had
> > to do it on my scanner in five shots,
> > rotating the can a little bit each time.
>
> What an achievement! Congratulations, Mark.

I forgot to mention that the subject line
in each case begins "Bernzomatic Butane Can".
That's obvious now, but in a few days they'll
be buried under other threads.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
>> >> Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>> >
>> > Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
>> > part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
>> > butane refill can. The State of California
>> > warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>> >
>> > That falsifies what Bob said above.
>> >
>> > I didn't have a camera that would do a
>> > good job of photographing this, so I had
>> > to do it on my scanner in five shots,
>> > rotating the can a little bit each time.
>>
>> What an achievement! Congratulations, Mark.
>
> I forgot to mention that the subject line
> in each case begins "Bernzomatic Butane Can".
> That's obvious now, but in a few days they'll
> be buried under other threads.

Where does Bob live?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> Where does Bob live?

Beats me. I brought up earlier the possibility that
maybe Bernzomatic makes regional versions of their
labelling, but he didn't try to use that to justify
his assertion that there is no California warning
on _any_ Bernzomatic products.

Now that I've scanned the evidence and posted it,
he might back-pedal to that position. Or he might
accuse me of forging the evidence. We'll just have
to wait and see how he tries to climb out of that
hole he's dug.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>> Where does Bob live?
>
> Beats me. I brought up earlier the possibility that
> maybe Bernzomatic makes regional versions of their
> labelling, but he didn't try to use that to justify
> his assertion that there is no California warning
> on _any_ Bernzomatic products.
>
> Now that I've scanned the evidence and posted it,
> he might back-pedal to that position. Or he might
> accuse me of forging the evidence. We'll just have
> to wait and see how he tries to climb out of that
> hole he's dug.


Beverage companies print different labels for different markets. Maybe it's
the same for Berzomatic products.

Go read a book. This isn't important.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:09:40 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> > part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> > butane refill can.
>
> I don't see any posts from you recently in ABF. I guess that
> makes you the liar.

Check again later. I only posted them a little while ago.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>
> Go to alt.binaries.food.

No, don't. We don't care what they say.

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >
> > *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> > Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> butane refill can. The State of California
> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>
> That falsifies what Bob said above.
>
> I didn't have a camera that would do a
> good job of photographing this, so I had
> to do it on my scanner in five shots,
> rotating the can a little bit each time.

I tried something different. I Googled Bernzomatic BF9 and found
the Bernzomatic Site Map with a list of its products. One of them
is the BF9 2.1 oz. Disposable Butane Cylinder

http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat.../siteMap.jhtml


I clicked on the BF9 2.1 oz. Disposable Butane Cylinder and went
directly to the page for that product. It said that the cylinder
is for use with mico and mini troches [sic]. I am assuming it was
a typo and should have read that it was for mini and micro
torches. At the bottom right of that specific product is the
icon on which to click for the MSDS sheet.

http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat...rnzoProd100021

Since you had insisted that the link had to go directly from the
product page to the MSDS for it to be legitimately connected, I
tried it. SOn of a gun..... there was the MSDS for the product
in question.


http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat...MSDSButane.pdf

You can try that link or follow all of them and see for
yourself.......
Warning: This fuel, and by-products of combustion of this fuel,
contain chemicals known by the State of California to cause
cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm".

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:25:30 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Warning: This fuel, and by-products of combustion of this fuel,
>contain chemicals known by the State of California to cause
>cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm".


Amost anything is hazardous to your health according to the state of
california.... including life itself.

We're a cautious bunch.

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:25:30 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>Warning: This fuel, and by-products of combustion of this fuel,
>>contain chemicals known by the State of California to cause
>>cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm".
>
>
> Amost anything is hazardous to your health according to the state of
> california.... including life itself.
>
> We're a cautious bunch.


Get this: Packages of lead fishing sinkers carry the warning that the state
of California thinks these sinkers may contain substances which are
hazardous to your health. California has secret information about lead being
hazardous. Who knew?

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >
> > *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> > Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> butane refill can. The State of California
> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>
> That falsifies what Bob said above.
>
> I didn't have a camera that would do a
> good job of photographing this, so I had
> to do it on my scanner in five shots,
> rotating the can a little bit each time.
Ok, ladies,
Get out your rulers

"Steve Wertz" > wrote

> Pastorio then began weeping and ranting uncontrollably about
> "Thorson Gas". He had then requested asylum, and was transported
> to the London Psychiatric Hospital for observation and further
> questioning regarding this previously unknown "Thorson Gas".

Is that the same gas that was wafting around Manhattan yesterday?
That explains a lot of things.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> "Steve Wertz" > wrote
>
> > Pastorio then began weeping and ranting uncontrollably about
> > "Thorson Gas". He had then requested asylum, and was transported
> > to the London Psychiatric Hospital for observation and further
> > questioning regarding this previously unknown "Thorson Gas".
>
> Is that the same gas that was wafting around Manhattan yesterday?
> That explains a lot of things.


If it smelled like burnt rubber if could have been Mark thinking
up more explanations about why the link to the Butane MSDS with
warnings does not apply to the company's fuel for the propane
torch which is actually a butane lighter. :-)

In article >, says...
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >
> > *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> > Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> butane refill can. The State of California
> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>
> That falsifies what Bob said above.
>
> I didn't have a camera that would do a
> good job of photographing this, so I had
> to do it on my scanner in five shots,
> rotating the can a little bit each time.
>

Two things:

1) Is this really so important to you? Really, the presence or absence
of a label on a bernz-o-matic cannister seems like the very definition
of trivial. Don't you have something more interesting to do? I have this
vision of you, spittle running to your chin, as you rotate your
cannister on the scanner.

2) You did not prove that Bob is a liar. At best you proved that he is
mistaken, a totally different thing.

Bob (this one) is pompous and knows a lot less than he thinks he does
(although he still knows a lot), but he is one of the few people who
posts interesting and valuable information to this group. I can't put
you in that group.


--
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One time on Usenet, Mark Thorson > said:
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >
> > *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> > Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> butane refill can. The State of California
> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>
> That falsifies what Bob said above.

<snip>

It means he's mistaken, not a liar. You're sounding rabid, Mark...

--
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Peter A wrote:

>
> Bob (this one) is pompous and knows a lot less than he thinks he does
> (although he still knows a lot), <snip>

Pot, kettle, black ...

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"Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
...
> Peter A wrote:
>
>>
>> Bob (this one) is pompous and knows a lot less than he thinks he does
>> (although he still knows a lot), <snip>
>
> Pot, kettle, black ...
>
> --
so true.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I tried something different. I Googled Bernzomatic BF9 and found
> the Bernzomatic Site Map with a list of its products. One of them
> is the BF9 2.1 oz. Disposable Butane Cylinder
>
> http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat.../siteMap.jhtml
>
> I clicked on the BF9 2.1 oz. Disposable Butane Cylinder and went
> directly to the page for that product. It said that the cylinder
> is for use with mico and mini troches [sic]. I am assuming it was
> a typo and should have read that it was for mini and micro
> torches. At the bottom right of that specific product is the
> icon on which to click for the MSDS sheet.
>
> http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat...rnzoProd100021
>
> Since you had insisted that the link had to go directly from the
> product page to the MSDS for it to be legitimately connected, I
> tried it. SOn of a gun..... there was the MSDS for the product
> in question.
>
> http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat...MSDSButane.pdf
>
> You can try that link or follow all of them and see for
> yourself.......
> Warning: This fuel, and by-products of combustion of this fuel,
> contain chemicals known by the State of California to cause
> cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm".

Why do you suppose the web page for the
BF9 refill cartridge has a direct link
to the butane MSDS but the web page for
the Flexible Utility Lighter does not?

I'll tell you why -- the butane MSDS
applies to the BF9, but does not apply
to the Flexible Utility Lighter.

The BF9 is not the refill cartridge for
the Flexible Utility Lighter. The
Flexible Utility Lighter comes with its
own refill cartridge, which has no
product number. Neither the Flexible
Utility Lighter nor its refill cartridge
have the State of California warning
about carcinogens.

Little Malice wrote:
>
> One time on Usenet, Mark Thorson > said:
> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> > >
> > > *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
> > > Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
> >
> > Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> > part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> > butane refill can. The State of California
> > warning is just above the UPC bar code.
> >
> > That falsifies what Bob said above.
>
> <snip>
>
> It means he's mistaken, not a liar. You're sounding rabid, Mark...

I call it a lie when he just pulls it out
of thin air, and tries to see if he can get
people to believe it.

It would be a mistake if he had some basis
for making his claim, and offered it as a
possibility. But that's not at all what
he did. He had no basis, and he forcefully
insisted on the truth of his assertion.
That's what makes it a lie, not a mistake.

This note is sponsored by the letter "M" and the number "0"

And now we have a new friend to go with Oscar the Grouch and
Big Bird. It's Mark the Moron...

Everybody put your hands together and give him the clap...

....

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>> *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
>> Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
> butane refill can. The State of California
> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>
> That falsifies what Bob said above.

Perhaps your insufficient grasp of English is to blame for
your moronic posts. Perhaps it's an insufficient cranial
index. Perhaps it's your obsessive-compulsive helplessness
to alter course. Perhaps it's that you're a moron and no
further explanation is necessary.

I only wish I could write in big, colorful crayon letters to
help you understand some very simple facts.

1) there is no fuel-use food-grade propane or butane. Period.
2) what I said above is true: No BernzOmatic products carry
the California warning and they all use standard propane or
butane. It seems to have escaped your near-blind eyes that I
distinguished between BernzOmatic products that *use* fuels
and the fuels themselves. No surprise there.
3) All propane, butane, MAPP, acetylene, etc. fuels carry
the California warning, no matter what brand. And,
hilariously, so do oxygen cylinders.

> I didn't have a camera that would do a
> good job of photographing this, so I had
> to do it on my scanner in five shots,
> rotating the can a little bit each time.

<LOL> Talk about OCD. What a brilliant success. You are to
be commended for such a single-minded demonstration of
crippled thinking.

Moron.

Pastorio

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Little Malice wrote:
>> One time on Usenet, Mark Thorson > said:
>>> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>>> *NO* BernzOmatic products carry the California warning.
>>>> Period. They all use the same, unaltered fuels. Period.
>
>>> Go to alt.binaries.food. I just posted
>>> part of the the label of a Bernzomatic BF9
>>> butane refill can. The State of California
>>> warning is just above the UPC bar code.
>>>
>>> That falsifies what Bob said above.
>> <snip>
>>
>> It means he's mistaken, not a liar. You're sounding rabid, Mark...
>
> I call it a lie when he just pulls it out
> of thin air, and tries to see if he can get
> people to believe it.

<LOLOL> Like when you say *only* that toy lighter doesn't
carry the California warning among all BernzOmatic products?
You need to go read the post where I listed several others
and maybe explain how they "flout" the law (Which law is
that, Mark?).

How wonderfully droll, Mark, that you didn't bother to
actually check your own statement about the lighter (N.B.
It's not a "torch") but just pulled it out of thin air,
trying to get people to believe it.

Bwah...

But I got my info from the BernzOmatic customer service
department at the phone number I've posted twice. The nice
man told me that *no* BernzOmatic product carries the
California label, and that only their fuel cylinders, as
everybody's must, do. Do note that I distinguished between
BernzOmatic products that *use* the fuels and the fuels
themselves in my original statement. Too subtle for you,
Mark? Rhetorical question.

> It would be a mistake if he had some basis
> for making his claim, and offered it as a
> possibility. But that's not at all what
> he did. He had no basis, and he forcefully
> insisted on the truth of his assertion.
> That's what makes it a lie, not a mistake.

Actually, I had a basis for the claim, which I've posted in
detail elsewhere today and which, therefore, reduces your
accusation to a reflexive bit of delight demonstrating your
willingness to lie to try to "win."

Hilarious. Moron.

Pastorio

In article >, says...
>
> "Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Peter A wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Bob (this one) is pompous and knows a lot less than he thinks he does
> >> (although he still knows a lot), <snip>
> >
> > Pot, kettle, black ...
> >
> > --
> so true.
>

Thank you! According to you, I know a lot and am one of the few that
contribute useful information to this group. You make me blush.

--
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Test

In article om>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> Test

You failed.

:-)

On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:52:41 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article om>,
> "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
>> Test
>
>You failed.
>
01alt.test

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Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Since you had insisted that the link had to go directly from the
> > product page to the MSDS for it to be legitimately connected, I
> > tried it. SOn of a gun..... there was the MSDS for the product
> > in question.
> >
> > http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomat...MSDSButane.pdf
> >
> > You can try that link or follow all of them and see for
> > yourself.......
> > Warning: This fuel, and by-products of combustion of this fuel,
> > contain chemicals known by the State of California to cause
> > cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm".
>
> Why do you suppose the web page for the
> BF9 refill cartridge has a direct link
> to the butane MSDS but the web page for
> the Flexible Utility Lighter does not?
>


I suppose it is because the refill contains the fuel with the
questionable chemicals.

> I'll tell you why -- the butane MSDS
> applies to the BF9, but does not apply
> to the Flexible Utility Lighter.


And I will tell you that it is BUTANE!!!! Butane is butane.
Unless...... you can find a cite that says otherwise.
You haven't done that, and I don't think you can because none
exists.


> The BF9 is not the refill cartridge for
> the Flexible Utility Lighter. The
> Flexible Utility Lighter comes with its
> own refill cartridge, which has no
> product number. Neither the Flexible
> Utility Lighter nor its refill cartridge
> have the State of California warning
> about carcinogens.

But the MSDS for the butane sold by Bernzomatic does.

Unless..... you can find a cite that says otherwise.
You haven't done that, and I don't think you can because none
exists.

Peter A wrote:

> Thank you! According to you, I know a lot and am one of the few that
> contribute useful information to this group. You make me blush.
>

You forgot to mention how modest you are too...
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Chatty Cathy

In article >,
says...
> Peter A wrote:
>
> > Thank you! According to you, I know a lot and am one of the few that
> > contribute useful information to this group. You make me blush.
> >
>
> You forgot to mention how modest you are too...
>

If you want to engage in junior high school level banter, that's fine.
Just realize that most people, myself included, grew out of that stage
at about age 14.


--
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Peter A wrote:

> If you want to engage in junior high school level banter, that's fine.
> Just realize that most people, myself included, grew out of that stage
> at about age 14.

</banter>

You can be a real asshole, Peter and even if you are 14 or 41 - that's
never gonna change.

--
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Chatty Cathy

In article >,
Peter A > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > Peter A wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you! According to you, I know a lot and am one of the few that
> > > contribute useful information to this group. You make me blush.
> > >
> >
> > You forgot to mention how modest you are too...
> >
>
> If you want to engage in junior high school level banter, that's fine.
> Just realize that most people, myself included, grew out of that stage
> at about age 14.

Perhaps... but it got a snicker out of me none the less when I read it.
;-)

Maybe some of us never quite grow up, but I don't see that as a bad
thing.
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In article >,
Chatty Cathy > wrote:

> Peter A wrote:
>
> > If you want to engage in junior high school level banter, that's fine.
> > Just realize that most people, myself included, grew out of that stage
> > at about age 14.
>
> </banter>
>
> You can be a real asshole, Peter and even if you are 14 or 41 - that's
> never gonna change.

Yet another chuckle. ;-)

Thanks CC! You have a way with words.
I think that's what makes you such a great webmistress!
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Omelet wrote:

>
> Yet another chuckle. ;-)
>
> Thanks CC! You have a way with words.
> I think that's what makes you such a great webmistress!

Why, thankee kindly M'am.
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